is Academy of Arts a good school to go to

[roger3d]

hmmm... so no one here is taking online classes at Academy?
:shrug:

[jeremybirn]

Originally posted by roger3d
hmmm... so no one here is taking online classes at Academy?
:shrug:

I don't know how good or bad "on-line classes" are, I've never seen one.

But I do know that instructors teaching on-line classes are paid far less than they would be for making training DVD's - in some cases as little as $185 a class, in comparison with training DVD's where they would get a percentage of the $20-$60k global sales revenues. I've spoken to some instructors who do on-line classes who say they'll do one only if they don't have to give away any of their best material that they might want to use in a DVD or publication, so they only teach on-line the courses that just go through manuals or textbooks without using up their own material.

The weird thing is, despite paying the instructors less for on-line classes, on-line classes are actually sold to students for more money than training DVD's. In terms of your home learning options, I'd shop very carefully before shelling out for an on-line class, and only buy one if it's very well reviewed by credible sources.

-jeremy

[keltuzar]

Hi roger3d,
why take online classes if you just want to pass the class.
I learn more when I see and interact with the teacher as opposed to seeing a video or reading it online.
You also meet different people who may in the future may be your contact to the 3d world.
With regards to online classes at the AAC, you can visit the website and take a test run of what onlince class is all about.
Are you planning to join AAC?

[roger3d]

Thanks jeremybirn,
I'll be carefull with my decisions about those classes. Probably I'll purchase all the Gnomon DVDs before I go to a good college. (I already have 15 titles) If the majority of the online classes are all about what's inside the book, so I'll buy more books as well, and learn by myself. By the way, I already have your book Digital Rendering and Lighting, which is great. :thumbsup:

Hi keltuzar,
You are right, I'll probably learn more if its an onsite class and make more contacts as well.
I'm planning to go to AAC, but it will take a long time to save money to go there (I live in japan), maybe at about 200.000 dollars?
So I saw the online class and I thought that I found a way to have a degree in CG.
I already sent an email asking for more info about the online classes at AAC. I'm just waiting for their reply.
Thanks.

I'll keep searching for a way to be "a top artist".
And, hopefully I'll find a way to get my degree.;)

[Digiegg]

I'm going to be a freshman in AAC next year.
Everyone saids that it's a great experience to live in dorms and stuff the freshman year. For this school everyone is saying how bad the dorms are and stuff like that... I don't know what to do..
kaltuzar, do you live with a room mate?
How is the food there?

Ahh.. im so confused... and do not know what to do.
Oh, are there parties there? Art colleges usually don't have parties right?

[keltuzar]

hey NissanSexima
Come to 860 Sutter Street dorm. Its a both boys and girls.
The room is much bigger than the other dorms and is located centrally to all the classes.
Like I said before I am right now in a double room with a shared bathroom. I am paying 3900 and the food 1800.
Ok the room is good but the food is a rip off but you must take it.
Sorry dude I have already have a room mate.
There are certain criteria to come to this dorm:-
1) you have to be below 21.
2) you MAY be an international student.
the 2nd is not that important.
If they give you the pine dorm, best of luck! Its one of the most notorius dorm. Ask for another one asap - trust me.
Holler back if you are comming down. I can show you around San Francisco. Which all classes are you taking?
Do not take:- Intro to Computer Graphics and Animation class.
Trust me.
It will be my 2nd semster this spring. I love the dorms and trust me you will love it.
Cheers!

[Digiegg]

keltuzar, thanks for all the information.
Hmm.. I guess I'll give it a try.
I emailed my counslor to see if I can be placed in that dorm if I do sound up for housing. =)

Once I get there do they give me the schedule or do I get to pick?
I'm going to be going there as a freshmen so...

oh and the parties????
:beer: :buttrock: :bounce:

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by NissanSexima


oh and the parties????
:beer: :buttrock: :bounce: party all you can first semester , it'll be over before you know it ;)

[Digiegg]

I don't get it...

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by NissanSexima
I don't get it...


Yeah i didnt get it at first either :)

[Par Tickle]

I start my second semester at AAC on the 26th of this month. I live in Iowa and have a great job at a local hospital doing some marketing, websites and video editing. My only option for a BFA was to go online at AAC. It's not a bad way to go. I have spoke to my instructors on the phone before (not at my own expense) and they were vary helpful. I am however, looking for a better way to get into the CG industry. I'm looking to be a Technical Animator (not a TD). The reason I would like to give up on AAC is because my first semester cost me $12,000! I had to get all sorts of loans. The reason it cost so much is because your required to have all the stuff at your home that you would normally have available to you on campus. I've had to clear out a whole room at my house for this stuff. If anyone knows how I could become a TA faster and using less funds, I'd be forever in your debt.

[keltuzar]

Dude the classes are so busy, you wont have enough time to party. And how much do you want to party?

Hey Sheep Factory, do you want to meet together with NissanSexima?

Dude i want to be a technical director too but I am taking the long route and waiting till I get a degree in computer animation.

By the way Nissan, your dorm (680 Sutter) is very close to mine so dont worry, when you come down email me from there and I will definately come and meet you.

Take care
Keltuzar

[]_onewolf]

i was planing on starting this semester on the 26th, but ive broken my ankle....i dont know how this is all going to work out! :cry: booo maybe ill come this winter:)

[Digiegg]

How much does it cost for a year? or one semester?

[ajouvenat]

It's about $12,000-$13,000 USD a semester with housing. About $7,000 USD for tuition alone.

So for 1 year you're looking at $24,000-$26,000 to be enrolled full time with housing.

[SheepFactory]

yeah we can meet , just arrange the time and let me know and i'll try to be there.

[vh1too]

I had to get all sorts of loans. The reason it cost so much is because your required to have all the stuff at your home that you would normally have available to you on campus.

Just what kind of stuff are you talking about???? Can you provide a list so I can start shopping?

:cry:

[Digiegg]

yea can you guys tell us what to like buy for the classes for Computer Art? I want to see if I can get it cheaper here in VA...

[Par Tickle]

It depends on what major you are going for. Here's a link to the online classes. Just click on the major you want and then click on one of the classes in the major. This is how you find out what items you need for each class. I'm actually ordering my supplies for my second semester tonight. Ergghhhhh!

http://online.academyart.edu/degrees.html
:D

[keltuzar]

For all those who arrived in SFO, take the oppurtunity to meet up with fellow students and qualified people, check out this thread.

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116393

I hope to see many of you all.
:thumbsup:

[vh1too]

At what pace are you exected to take the Online courses?

I have glanced over this thread and read some of the posts and seem to get the feeling that most are against the online courses. Here's my situation.

I am a veteran and I need to take advantage of the money that the Government has made available to me for eduation. But the school must be acredited. I am currently gainfully employed in the IT industry and I am not looking to quit my job and go back to college. So.... I want to spend some of uncle sams money. Here is the pace at which he is willing to pay. Can I make it work where i don't have to spend any of my own money if I take the courses online (assuming $1500 per course and that I already have all of major equipment/sofware) Here are the current amouts the US gov will pay.

Institutional Training
Training Time
Monthly rate

Full time( >= 12 hours)
$985.00

¾ time
$738.75

½ time
$492.50

less than ½ time more than ¼ time
$492.50 **

¼ time or less
$246.25 **


If you still think I am going at this the wrong way then somebody tell me a cheaper, acredited, online (doesn't require me to quit my current job) way of takeing Maya / Animation courses.

TIA

[Digiegg]

Hey Kel, contact me on AIM or something. I have questions I want to ask you about dorms and people there.

[keltuzar]

Hey Kel, contact me on AIM or something
What do you mean by AIM??? Dude you contact me when you arrive here in SF.
Take care man!
Keltuzar

[Rye]

Originally posted by keltuzar
What do you mean by AIM??? Dude you contact me when you arrive here in SF.
Take care man!
Keltuzar

A OL I nstant M essenger :)

[keltuzar]

Thanks Rye for telling me what AIM stands for!
Nissan, I do not have an aol a/c so I am sorry I cant chat with you.
Just PM me when you reach to SF and we will take it from there.

[Digiegg]

haha. I can't believe you don't know what it is!!!
anyways. how big are the dorms?
I have dual monitors and like a 25" TV.
you think hose will fit along with the bed and stuff?
Man.. I'm gonna just visit.... sigh
im just :bounce: about going there!!!

[keltuzar]

Nissan,
Yes, I am an international student and we dont have AOL in India and Dubai so yea I didnt know what AIM was ok?
It depends how much stuff you have. Remember you will be coming to San Francisco and it being one of many American toursit destinations, prices are high.
If you plan to share a room with all those stuff, like the 2 monitors my frank reply to that is get a seperate room, or get only one of those monitors here, or better still get a room somewhere in the city.
If you are planning to take a 4 year intensive course, its very likely you will be working on finishing your foundation courses that mainly involves working on paper in the initial stages of the semsters.
The AAC has a good fleet of high end computers backed with all the softwares so if you are taking a computer related class you could spend some time in the labs.
Take care dude
:thumbsup:
Keltuzar

[Digiegg]

I guess I'll take a look around the dorms when I get there...
You should get AIM since it's one of the most popular ways to instant message people.
www.aim.com
and make your account =)
I'm pretty sure people in the dorms have this program.
Once you get it, add me in. I told you my AIM in PM.

[]_onewolf]

hey guys im gonna start as freshman this fall, so i hope to meet alot of people there. Im just wondering about the character animation major, how is it?? Its sorta hard trying to choose which major to go for this early...!

The dorms sound so ughh, doesnt sound like a spacious place...more like a box with some breathing holes! Is it really that bad sharing rooms with 3-4 people?:shrug:

Anyway I'll be coming in from australia, so im really curious to what the US is like!! I hear its abit pricey though. So it would be great to meet some new people...heres my email : lee23joseph@hotmail.com
:thumbsup:

[fattyLees]

I went to the academy of Art and got my MFA in Animation.

The most important thing is to make friends and contacts and it's easy at the academy b/c they bring in lots of local tallent to teach classes ( Pixar, ILM, Tippett). That's the best thing about the school. They have been known to screw up things and screw over students and teachers, but they are getting much better.

I agree that student housing is only good for the first semester you are there.

Also if you apply yourself and have tallent you can go from school to some top name studios. While I was there for 3 years, a hand full of people were picked up by Pixar and ILM after graduating. I lucked out myself and got to work for Tippett studios.

I really don't know about the undergraduate program, but the MFA program teaches you everything you need to know to get a job in your field.
Plus the directed study courses let you work on your personal project with people in the industry. I learned setup from a Tippett emplyee and had numerous animation classes with pixar animators. It kicked ass. That's the best part b/c they teach you how it's really like and give you some really valuable information that helps out so much in your first job.

my 2 cents

Good luck to everyone.
-Fatty

[claytondouglas]

I started reading this thread....a few pages back so Im not sure what all has been discussed.....but heres the deal
I am a student at AAC....If I had to do it all over.....heres what I would do.

1) Get all your GED done somewhere else ...maybe a community college for $11 a credit......saves huge money as opposed to $550 a credit. Get all liberal arts stuff done with.....research what AAC requires and take the closest thing. Most will transfer.

2) Stay out of the Dorms!!!!....they are a scam. Imagine paying roughly $700-$1000 a month to SHARE A BEDROOM with someone you dont know!!!!
Plus the dorms can be searched at any time...and lets face it, most of us bend the rules now and then. It would suck to get expelled from a $20,000 a year school for having beer.
Apartments are coming down in price. Many require a co-signer for younger students....so start greasin your parents now because your gonna need it. SF is a bad place to become homeless in if you arent on a lease and get booted

3) this is not a normal college.....do not party your way through frshman year.....Noone makes it to sophomore year doing that. You will find that a high cumulative GPA will be very nessecary to get a CAL grant.
I have a 3.2 cumulative and not much income....and I cant get it yet. Which sucks because its worth $10,000

4) dont get stuck in a rut.....as soon as you can break into this industry....whether you have graduated or not. Get a demo reel going ASAP and apply for work, network as much as possible. The more you are immersed in the cg world the faster you will learn it.
Your confidence will grow and so will your skills.

5) If you must work....but arent ready for the VFX world....I would Highly recommend a tipped field of employment. SF is the most expensive place in the country to live, right along side Manhatten.
Bartending, Waiting tables, and or Valet jobs are good because they alllow you to work weekends and give you 2 sources of income - tips and a paycheck!


AAc has its problems but it is a pretty good school.....immense resources and much of the staff are friendly and very helpful.
And thats MY 2 cents

[Digiegg]

you think that since pixar is moving out of disney, they won't be teaching at aac anymore?

[claytondouglas]

To be honest, Im not sure Im qualified to answer that. Im a VFX student and mostly people from Pixar teach animation....but I am takin a Particles class taught by Erdem Taylan. He was responsible for the mine explosions in Nemo and is presently working on the Incredibles. He also has Shrek to his credit
All dynamics and Particles but I can say that he has no intention of leaving. And more so...Im not sure Disnyes interaction with Pixar will have any effect at all on the relationship with AAC.
I wouldnt worry.
c

[]_onewolf]

^how are the VFX classes and such?

Im sorta split between VFX or Character Animation.

[claytondouglas]

Originally posted by ]_onewolf
^how are the VFX classes and such?

Im sorta split between VFX or Character Animation.

Youll get the opportunity to make up your own mind. They start you out with illustration, sculpting, perspective, and Photoshop classes. Just to make sure youve got the basics.....And while youre doin that you can snoop out the PC and SGI labs. As far as Computer arts classes go....everyone is required to take 3d Modeling and Animation 1(Houdini, Maya, or MAX), and you could take the VFX2: compositing class as an elective to get a feel for what you want. By your 2nd year (or 2nd semester if your doin a Masters) youll figure it out
I:thumbsup:


One word of advice....Find out who the Dept Heads are first and speak to them before you start taking Computer classes(maya, compositing or other) .....the advisors who set up your classes try to be helpful....but are usually misinformed
clayton

[claytondouglas]

Oh yeah.....I forgot one thing.....get a Computer at home. If ur low on dough...get a Dell and spend maybe...1000 - 1500, unless youre an affluent computer guy and can build youre own.
You get 6 hours of LAB a week (you can go anytime....but you are only garrunteed 6) And if you are working and someone else has lab but you dont....they boot you....its a real pain in the ass.
Its very nice to be able to work in both environments...and convienient

[Digiegg]

i heard no internet at the dorms?

[claytondouglas]

That...I do not know...I never stayed there. I checked em out and found one place had 3 smelly ass dudes living in one room. Imagine wading through sweatsocks, dirty boxers, food wrappers to get to your bed...which in this case was a matress on the floor...
all for the price of what the average SF citizen pays for rent....and the best part is...you get booted at the end of the semester. Although you may be able to pay more for staying...Im not sure

All I can say is that I never made it to the internet access question.....I just pictured myself living there and wanting to take showers with clorox and a copper scrubby.
Can you imagine.....youre a strapping young lad in the middle of a new and beautiful city with drop dead women every where. you meet one, hit it off, go back to your pad for a night cap, you gotta sneak her into the building, and then when you get to your room...youve gotta step over a fat 19 year old who fell asleep in a pile of cheetoes and porn mags. She needs to use the bathroom, but your roommate has used up the toilet paper so you hand her a piece of newspaper.....

Obviously this is worse case scenario.....but for me.....i gotta at least have my own room. Its possible to get your own room but they are very limited and expensive. Tyr to either find a studio
or go here.....this is an excellent resource for people lookin for a place to live

www.craigslist.org

c

[Unled]

This is true, no internet in the dorms, there's usually some kind of computer available that has internet access somewhere in the building but it's slow as hell and almost worthless.

Seriously, if you can avoid it don't live in the dorms. They're a rip off. I'd suggest a combination of http://www.craigslist.org/ and a map to locate a good central place to live.

[claytondouglas]

Originally posted by Unled
This is true, no internet in the dorms, there's usually some kind of computer available that has internet access somewhere in the building but it's slow as hell and almost worthless.

Seriously, if you can avoid it don't live in the dorms. They're a rip off. I'd suggest a combination of http://www.craigslist.org/ and a map to locate a good central place to live.

Yo derek...did we have english together?....With Tom...maybe 2 or 3 semesters back? Do you or di you have dreads?

Maybe Im wrong....I just knew this kid who wanted to start his own Tshirt company.....I just checked out the site....After I pay rent Im probably gonna snatch up the "fireman with a Flame thrower shirt".....Is that an origional design or is it from Faranheight 451?

[claytondouglas]

oops...its 451....i followed the link....And damn...I need a large!

[fattyLees]

Are you guys going for your BFA or MFA???

If I were you...I'd live in the dorms for one semester. If you live on treasure island, it really pleasent. The apartments are like condos. You get a LARGE living room. Big Kitchen, a back yard, parking, and you're on a frigging beautiful island in the middle of the SF Bay. Stay for one semester, then move into the city with friends you've met.

As far as internet in the dorms, I know it is possible b/c a couple of my friends had it.

Get a computer ASAP, b/c when finals and midterms come up, the lab is really crowded and people get bumped left and right. BUT ATLEAST GO TO THE LAB THE FIRST SEMESTER CONSISTENTLY!!! You meet tons of people with a lot of the same technical problems you will have. I learned so much about Maya, After Effects, and putting to tape from fellow students having the same problems as me. Also you can run into you teachers there and ask them questions and get advice.

My 2 cents
-Fatty

[claytondouglas]

I agree...the lab is a good environment but its definitely worth backin your self up with a machine at home.....

And also I totally forgot about treasure Island....I heard they were nice...and you can get internet there.....but as of right now....theres not one store on the island ....I dont even think theres a conveinience store...maybe its changed but definitely somethin worth lookin into. Also theres no bart ...you gotta take a bus or drive.
I bought a Motorcycle....Best thing Ive done....theyre dangerous...and SF drivers are awful....but its super convienient and you can get a cheap used one for under a 1000.
c

[hydrophobic]

I visited the Academy of Art when they had there film and animation festival. I liked the city more than I did the school or the tour. Their facilities and equipment seemed a little out of date and they rushed everybody through so fast that you could hardly get a close-up or a word in about the school.

I was not really that impressed with student work either. The 2d animation and the computer animation seemed a tad juvenile. Mostly consisting of Frosty the snowman melting while watching a porno and Mike the Mouse sexually molesting Pinocchio. It just did not impress me enough to want to go there.

The city itself is a great place. Everybody there is very nice. I stayed at the York Hotel. It's the hotel the Hitchcock shot some of the scenes for Vertigo in. It’s a really great hotel. Everything about the place was pretty nice.

After going to the Academy of Art, I paid the Savannah College of Art a visit. That place is leaps and bounds above the Academy of Art. Everything AAC got wrong, SCAD got right. As soon as you get there, they have buses waiting to take you directly to the facilities. The animation facility is excellent! It's basically in a warehouse that they completely renovated. It has three floors of everything animation related. They have computer animation facilities with Silicon Graphics workstations, stop motion cameras and rigs, and 2D animation light tables. You learn every end of the process there. At the end of the tour, they give all the perspective students a CD full of student work. It gives you an idea of what your demo reel will look like when you graduate.

Plus, the actual instructors were there to look at your portfolio and give you advice, counselors to tell you more about the school, and even a free lunch.

Also, Savannah has a rich history and enough ghost stories to stir anyone’s artistic imagination. It's definitely a place to check out.

Savannah is OK, but it's not as nice as San Francisco. I've heard that Pixar and ILM are not too far away from the school, so they pull a lot of AAC folks from there. California is great location for animators.

[Digiegg]

Savannah I heard you can't really find jobs after you get out of there. And it's like located nowhere... My friend went there and he hated it. After one year he came back and now going to community college. He said the environment there is really bad.
AAC is located where all those animation business are. =)

Anyone going Fall semester that wants to room with me in a apartment or something?

[Unled]

Originally posted by claytondouglas
Yo derek...did we have english together?....With Tom...maybe 2 or 3 semesters back? Do you or di you have dreads?

Maybe Im wrong....I just knew this kid who wanted to start his own Tshirt company.....I just checked out the site....After I pay rent Im probably gonna snatch up the "fireman with a Flame thrower shirt".....Is that an origional design or is it from Faranheight 451?

This is my second semester, I had english last semester with Jenny Bitner.
Thanks for the compliment on the shirts.
[plug ] I have a couple new designs about to come out. so make sure and check them out soon. [/plug ]

And Hyrdophobic, I'm not sure the tour gave you the right impression on the school. The equipment seems pretty current to me, and we have silicon workstations although I got the impression that nobody liked working on them.
I've also seen some very impressive student work from all the different majors, including animation.
Anyway, i'm just my second semester in and i'm feeling very rewarded with the stuff i'm learning. The city alone is an inspiration with all the activity there.
just my two cents.

[SheepFactory]

those SGI's were top of the line when pong came out.

:)

[keltuzar]

Hi hydrophobic,
1stly I reccommend that you talk with the faculty and students rather than making an assumption about things.
If you are offended by the animatons you saw, then seriously you have a very narrow minded about animation and its scope.
AAC has a Pixar animation class which have teachers from Pixar studios; does your college has one?
AAC has workshops every day with nude figure models where one can practise your drawing skills.
AAC has its own sgi, avid, macs and pcs all housed in 180nm.
The only thing that sucks is the housing.
AAC is all about "making a portfolio" rather than already having one.
Thankyou

[Digiegg]

YEA!!! AAC PRIDE!!! HAHA!
Hey Kel, I'm not gonna dorm anymore. NO INTERNET?? Oh hell no~!

[SheepFactory]

Chill out guys ,

Nobody is saying AAC is the best , there are a lot of things about AAC that are sketchy , but its what you put in , the opportunity is there.

Regarding the pixar classes , only a select few get to take those , 15 students a semester. (from the 1500 or so)

[hydrophobic]

First off, if you’re going to act aggressive please use a spell checker.
Second, the animation at the festival was a reflection of the work that goes on at the school, and it did turn people away. I thought the content was wrong for attracting students. For a serious college, the school sure sent the wrong message. The work put into the films was fine.
Third, as I said in my post, one of the attractive things about the Academy of Art College is that Pixar, ILM, and other studios operate in the area. The location is a great place for finding work after you graduate.
The Savannah College of Art and Design also has instructors from the animation field teaching at the college. They may not all work at Pixar or ILM, but they do possess the skills to teach some great classes.
Fourth, I did talk to the staff and my counselor, and my conclusion was that I did not get the treatment that I received at SCAD.
Finally, nude figure drawing and other facilities at AAC are not reasons to attend. SCAD has a fine facility as well.
I did not mean to break any ambitions out there. Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses. I was just posting to try and show that.

Boy NissanSexima! You're a step away from screaming white power! I show hope dat yo pride don't include a lynch’en!

[Digiegg]

so you have to be good at drawing and modeling and animating to get in the pixar class?

[SheepFactory]

yes , the students are hand picked by pixar animators based on the reels they submit.

[Digiegg]

so.. WHEN do you actually get picked?
and get the opertunity to create that reel?

[SheepFactory]

you have to take many classes before applying to pixar it has prerequisites.

[]_onewolf]

Originally posted by NissanSexima
Anyone going Fall semester that wants to room with me in a apartment or something?

i am definately going this fall semester. Im not sure about the dorms either. Apartments sounds good! If u want, contact me on lee23joseph@hotmail.com

Wow, Im so excited about the Pixar class! Cant wait to start!:bounce:

[claytondouglas]

[
Boy NissanSexima! You're a step away from screaming white power! I show hope dat yo pride don't include a lynch’en! [/B][/QUOTE] [B]

THATS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC.....WHY DONT YOU TWO QUIT FLIRTING AND GO ON A DATE....NOONE ELSE WANTS TO READ THIS NONSENSE

[keltuzar]

Like sheep Factory said not anyone can get into such classes. But atleast I bought people's attention when I did mention it.
So if you know you are good, you will definately land up in this class.

[claytondouglas]

Originally posted by keltuzar
Like sheep Factory said not anyone can get into such classes. But atleast I bought people's attention when I did mention it.
So if you know you are good, you will definately land up in this class.


Exactly....The school can be just as good as you allow it to be...or it can suck as bad as you do.....the one thing to keep in mind is that this stuff isnt exactly easy to teach....most of it you have to learn by doing.....Hit up tutorials....and read books about it in your spare time. Start now before you come to AAC and youll be ahead of the curve...

[Digiegg]

Um... I didn't mean to cause a war... =_=;
I'm going to try my best to be there. =)
Hopefully I get to meet all you guys and learn how to get around!
I'm planning to go there for Spring Break. March 8th... till I don't know...

[]_onewolf]

Thanks for all the info guys! Really helpful:thumbsup:

[dunadan]

ok, I am going to get a Degree, but whould you get a Degree On-Line only, without going to the campus.
I have a friend that went to the Academy Of Arts, San Francisco, California and got his BFA, and he is doing just fine.

I would like to go to that school, but going to the campus is just not feasable.

Would you go for the On-Line DEGREE????


Need Feedback!!!!!


thanks everyone who takes the time to help me out.






:thumbsup:

[keltuzar]

I think there is already a whole discussion on that in the previos thread. Check it out!

[Ryousuke]

AAC sounds more and more interesting ^^
i'm applying to the BFA 3d modeling
=D

[claytondouglas]

Originally posted by dunadan
ok, I am going to get a Degree, but whould you get a Degree On-Line only, without going to the campus.
I have a friend that went to the Academy Of Arts, San Francisco, California and got his BFA, and he is doing just fine.

I would like to go to that school, but going to the campus is just not feasable.

Would you go for the On-Line DEGREE????


Need Feedback!!!!!


thanks everyone who takes the time to help me out.


I dont think that is the best route for everyone....and given the amount you pay for tuition....its best to immerse yourself in the environment.....the facilities are pretty cool. teacher interaction is important too. I would not reccomend this route.



:thumbsup:

[dunadan]

thanks, that's what one of my some of my friends have mentioned also.

I know I need to find a campus to go to.
There is a Dallas Art Institute. It's 45 Minutes away.
There is also something called westwood college,
they have something to covering Animation.

I WANT to {{Find something that covers}}
Game Design/ Game Programming, vb script,c ++,
ect, ect, and modeling, animation, rigging, shaders,
rendering, ect ,ect.
I am not stranger to coding function based scrits, data manipulation, but new on the visual side of things.
But I love ART.

thanks everyone.


:bounce:

[claytondouglas]

Ive heard that AACs game development department really sucks. Ive even heard that from the teachers.....they are slowly makin it better....but its got a ways to go.

[Morganism]

Yeah, the game program needs some work, but they add a bit more every semester......As it stands, I don't think they really have any classes in programming, other than mel, and only a few in low poly modelling and texturing.

[Digiegg]

does AAC students have their own page? Like news webpage and stuff about the students there?

[Ryousuke]

err i know this is kinda off topic but this is one other thing people should consider before getting into a expensive school like aac..
how much do you get paid when you received your degree?
say if you are a 3d modeler

[claytondouglas]

Absolutely.....Im gonna be about 50,000 in the hole when Im done.....Im gonna be under the "mans" thumb forever!!!!!

[Ryousuke]

Originally posted by claytondouglas
Absolutely.....Im gonna be about 50,000 in the hole when Im done.....Im gonna be under the "mans" thumb forever!!!!!

?

[claytondouglas]

figure it out
:rolleyes:

[keltuzar]

err i know this is kinda off topic but this is one other thing people should consider before getting into a expensive school like aac.. how much do you get paid when you received your degree? say if you are a 3d modeler
Ok if you want to learn only to 3d model, spend your money at the Gnomon school. AAC teaches students the basic foundations like drawing and sculpting before going to computer modelling.
Thus much of the money goes to those classes.

[Ryousuke]

Originally posted by keltuzar
Ok if you want to learn only to 3d model, spend your money at the Gnomon school. AAC teaches students the basic foundations like drawing and sculpting before going to computer modelling.
Thus much of the money goes to those classes.

thats not what i mean?
i'm saying "paid" as in salery...ex 3d modeler, animator and so on
just helping "myself" and others since i know alot of people they want to know this information

and i btw i am applying to aac

[fattyLees]

There is a thread out there that covers this topic...I think in the general section...do a search for it and you wil get a good idea. It's an investment. You'll make your money back. Several of my friends and I have gone on to good jobs ( Animation and texturing mostly though...not modeling) after leaving AAC (We all got an M.F.A) and salary varies a lot and depends on a lot of factors, but we all started from anywhere between 50,000-ish to 65,000-ish a year, Hope that helps.

-Fatty

[Ryousuke]

ya it does and thanx
i did do some research but i couldn't find anything..
not an inch...zero

[fattyLees]

It's there...don't know why you missed it.

Under "General Discussions" search for "salary" and you wil see several threads.

-Fats

[lordmachuca]

Originally posted by claytondouglas
Ive heard that AACs game development department really sucks. Ive even heard that from the teachers.....they are slowly makin it better....but its got a ways to go.

very true, I know,I'm in the in the game department,
Im out of here in my last semester is in december

[claytondouglas]

i think you were in my portfolio class.....

[hockeylander]

Thanks for giving me the heads up on this thread Clayton

If you're interested in Game Design DON'T go to the AAC. There are a whopping FIVE (maybe six by now) classes for game design. There aren't any programming classes and honestly you'd be better off as a 3d modeling and animation major then a game major, because that's all they teach you. I'm in my final semester and have yet to even put or learn how to put, a game together. So far I've had one worthwhile game class, Intro to Computer gaming. That taught me the documents behind putting a game together and we got to make up our own game concept and rough out the levels and an intro movie. That was a truly GREAT class. Verdict still out on the other game class I have now, Level Design, but so far it looks to be another worthwhile class.

They are working on it, but as it stands now its not worth it. If it weren't for the price and time I've already put into it, I would have bailed a long time ago. The Art Institute SF looks to have better classes though the school itself is on rocky ground. For games the AAC has a LONG way to go. To put into context, last semester I had Games: Texture and lighting, the teacher comes in late and says "I was just asked to teach this class an hour ago" and that class for the semester was essentially NOTHING. I had the same teacher for Games: Character animation and I learned the same thing in both classes.

The school is great on teaching foundations. I was never very good at drawing before hand, I'm still not great, but now I can get my point across effectivly. If you're thinking of coming in straight from HS... don't. Go to a JC first. My roommates Boyfriend is paying 550 a unit for US History whereas I paid a whopping 11 at Junior College. I got my AA and had 36 units transfer in and tested out of some other classes. Now I've only been here for 3 years but thats because I've slammed myself with classes, so it is possible not to spend a lifetime... just don't expect to have much of a life. 'specially if you have to work like I also have to.

And for the dorms... DON'T do it. If you're coming from somewhere other then the area, then do it long enough to save money and find roommates. I did a year at 655 Sutter (before it shut down) and then 1080 Bush apartments. Hated almost every minute of it. Through work, I saved money and found two reliable roommates and got the hell out. Haven't looked back. Don't let rent scare you. If you're patient enough, you'll get a good deal. The dorms are good to get you're feet wet. But I really got sick of the weekly fire alarms at 655. If you can afford it and are over 21, do the apartments. No weekly fire alarms but you still had pot luck roommates and paid too much for essentally a studio with 3 people in it.

The operration behind the school is horrible. The administration doesn't know what the hell is going on and the advisors I've found to be useless. If you don't know already, learn to fight. Don't just follow the course because its in the book, fight for a class. Testing out is hard because the tests are ridiculous, but if you know your stuff meet with the head. I got out of pointless Intro to Computers because I fought. Like others have said the school is only as good as what you put into it.

I love the people I've met here and many of the teachers at least know their stuff. I don't know yet how good they really are at placement... I guess I'll find out soon enough. If I had been a modeling or animation major I don't think I'd be as disapointed. But as a game major its been a huge let down.

Best advice... just do your research. Be SURE before you leap.

[Digiegg]

About the dorms, you think you've met alot of people through dorms rather than getting a shared studio?
I wanted to room with Ryo and one_wolf at a studio but they want to dorm first semester... I really don't think it's worth it. You can still meet with people outside of school at some cafe or stuff doing activities... Plus there are no internet access and I heard bathrooms don't work well... Also being stuck with a non matching room mate and paying for that ridiculous price.. I just don't think it's worth it. Help me out Hockeylander. You think it's worth it for me to stay at the dorms for the first semester?

[Ryousuke]

humm...i'm staying at the dorms because i'm new to the area..so i want to settle down everything THAN for the 2nd sem i'll move out hahaah its better that way man...i mean like getting use to everything 1st than take the next step

[Ryousuke]

and i'm still kinda lost on which one should i major on.
3d modeling or character animation

[Morganism]

Originally posted by Ryousuke
and i'm still kinda lost on which one should i major on.
3d modeling or character animation

Don't worry about it yet, your classes will be the same for the first year anyway. You can decide which you like better after taking the 3D intro classes.

[hockeylander]

Originally posted by NissanSexima
Help me out Hockeylander. You think it's worth it for me to stay at the dorms for the first semester?

I guess it really depends on what kind of person you are and what your money status will be coming out here.

If you're the kind of person thats comfortable to just jump in with both feet and you know you can afford an apartment out here, then I'd say do it.

However, keep in mind that rent is VERY expensive here (though don't let that scare you) and where you can get it cheap means either a commute or a not-so-great neighborhood. My roommates and I speant several months apartment hunting before we found our 3 bedroom for 1800 a month (in a decent enough neighborhood), whereas my roommates boyfriend is shelling out almost 900 for a closet to live in (in a not-so-great neighborhood). Its all about how patient you are. If you go to the dorms first you have a whole semester to find a good deal, meet potential roommates, and (if needed) find a job that can allow for rent.

With my hatred of them I can't say the dorms are all bad. No they don't have DSL in every room but you can have cruddy dial-up (I've been able to live off it,) when I was in it 655 Sutter was DSL ready (though its girls only unless they changed it since it was re-opend) and there is at least one computer in the building. They have a TV room where you can meet others in the building and they have study areas to work on homework. In the case of 1080 Bush we had a Pool Table, Fooseball and a Ping pong table. I do miss the Soda Machine and Vending Machine. Those 3 am munchies can be killer. Because of my work load at school and my job, I don't have much time to go out and party, so that was basically it for my "social life." Hanging down in the Lounge at midnight, as sad as I know that sounds.

No, the dorms and the dorm apartments aren't worth the money when you break it down into month by month. But if you're not financially sound and/or not that comfortable to jump in with both feet (where I stood when I got up here, being very shy and introvert) then I'd say Dorms are a good waddling pool to wade into.

The City can be a shock to a lot of people whereas it can also be fairly blah to others. I haven't found a dull moment during my time spent here (especially riding the 38 Geary daily) and I'm glad I had a chance to fully adjust to it... even though I did truly hate the Dorms and wouldn't go back even if they paid me.

Do your research on either craigslist that others mentioned here, or some of the Rental sites (do a search for rentguide or metrorent as two possibilities.) The school also has people that post notices on the Bulliten Boards about people searching for Roommates. But I wouldn't write off the dorms completely untill you're sure.

Geez, only my second post here and again I get long winded.

[Ryousuke]

has anyone consider sheridan college in ontario?

[Morganism]

Nissan:
Hockeylander has some very valid points. As much as I dislike the dorm situation here, that's where I met my current roommates and a lot of my friends. It's not bad in the sense that you don't have any obligation beyond the rent so you can easily move out after the end of the semester. Plus it can be hard to find your own apartment if you're not in the area.
So, the dorms may be helpful, but just know that you're going to feel like you were shafted by the time you move out.

[Ryousuke]

no one has any comments on sheridan..?

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by Ryousuke
no one has any comments on sheridan..?


appereantly we dont since we are going to AAC. why dont you go find a sheridan college thread or start one and ask there?

[Ryousuke]

hehe i did =D
maybe i'll even get to see you at aac

[SheepFactory]

yeah I am the guy in front of 180 chain smoking , wait...that describes pretty much everyone :P

[Digiegg]

chain smoking blunts?? bad bad bad boy... :p

[keltuzar]

Originally posted by Sheep Factory
yeah I am the guy in front of 180 chain smoking , wait...that describes pretty much everyone :P
So true! Though I am not one myself practically everyone smokes at the AAC. Just wait outside 180NM building and there is a whole army of kids smoking. What a bad habit.

[keltuzar]

Originally posted by Sheep Factory
yeah I am the guy in front of 180 chain smoking , wait...that describes pretty much everyone :P
So true! Though I am not one myself practically everyone smokes at the AAC. Just wait outside 180NM building and there is a whole army of kids smoking. What a bad habit.

[Luddy]

Since everyone on CGtalk seems to have their own book, I might as well write "Your Survival Kit To The AAC." Look for it on Amazon in the coming weeks. :p

[santiago]

so if AAC is not a good place for acquiring game design skills, than what place is good for it?

I guess that when it comes to cinematics and artwork, the animation programs should do it, or maybe not, I'm confused

[Morganism]

Being an art school, most of the curriculum is geared toward, well, art. There aren't really any coding or programming classes, and since the game industry seems to be doing well recently, there's not a lot of teachers available.
The game design curriculum is set to get another overhaul next semester though, so who knows were that will leave us. But it will probably be a step toward a better game program.

[keltuzar]

Now I am not sure myself but I did talk to the director of computer arts and she said that they do have scipting in mel and some programming in houdini.
But like Morganism, she told me that this is an art school and not an engineering one.
So I guess its a learn it yourself thing when you want to go into programming.

[Ryousuke]

btw some one said about "workshops" at aac..
what kind of workshops are there..?

[Morganism]

Lots of life drawing and anatomy workshops, those are great.

There are also software specific 3D workshops, but from my experience they are overcrowded and not all that helpful...you might as well post your question here.

But all the drawing workshops are awesome, I would reccomend checking them out to keep your drawing skills fresh, especially if you don't have any drawing classes for a semster.

[Ryousuke]

that sounds great!:buttrock:

just one more thing about courses..
say...3d animation..can i change 1 of the courses and add in Advance modeling? or i have to follow the book and take the Advance animation

[keltuzar]

you can do a double degree and have an animation and a modelling degree.

[Ryousuke]

ahhh cool
i just notice that after i check the back of the catalog..lol
thanks alot anyways :)

[keltuzar]

There is something however that is seriously wrong with the AAC sylabus. Its too long. If a student has to follow the sylabus that is given it would be really difficult and drive the student to insanity.
I myself am taking 4 classes and its the best I can do.
To complete in 4 years I am forced to sacrifice my summer and winter and do some classes so that I do not end up taking 5 and 6 classes during the main semsters.
The AAC should either change their sylabus or warn the students of the impending DOOM that they are getting themselves into.
To all those who want to attend the AAC be prepared to do your undergrad. course in the next 5 to 6 years, if otherwise you plan to do summer and winter sessions.

[Morganism]

Summer session isn't that bad, plus I think taking a summer off is kind of wasting time anyway. If your here you might as well be going to school.
keltuzar is right, though, the syllabus is misleading. Taking 6 classes a semester is very difficult, so you'll probably take summer classes or stay in school longer.

[Luddy]

I never took more than 4 classes a semester and usually took 1 or 2 classes over the summer. Even though I transfered in the maximum amount of credits, it still took me 3 whole years to obtain my BFA.

I'd recommend taking the lightest load you can when taking Color and Design. If not, you'll end up mixing your gouache at four in the morning the night before your assignment is due. :scream:

[Digiegg]

Wow that difficult huh? I better prepare for hell then!!!
:eek:

[keltuzar]

Ya, Color and Design! I am taking this summer. The toughest homework intensive class.
Lot of expensive guash paint and creativity involved.
I hope I just pass the class.
I have just uploaded some pics of my dorm. check out the link:-
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123080

[Ryousuke]

haha its gonna cost me $30,000 to study there for 1 year
i think i'm gonna save some money 1st for 2 years than come to aac

[Morganism]

(take some gen ed classes at a JC while you're waiting) Transferring in credits saves a ton of money.

[Ryousuke]

JC = Junior College?

[]_onewolf]

nice pics kelt:p

anyways do any of you guys know if there is much on mel scripting at the school?

[Morganism]

Ryousuke: yes :)

As far as melscripting goes, there's only the one class that I know about, but there may be a more advanced one too. A lot of the teachers know mel, so it gets covered a little bit in different classes.

[keltuzar]

thanks Lonewolf.
As Morganism, said AAC does have mel.
Some other intersting classes are the Houdini, VFX classes (compositing), Pixar animation classes(3 of them totally!) and the lightwave classes.
I hope I may one day be able to take all of em.

[Digiegg]

I'll be going to San Fran March 8th to March 11th during spring break to see how SF is. Shall we set up a meeting? I would love to get a tour around the school instead of AAC officials doing it since that guy said he didn't like it.

I think Lonewolf and I'll be dorming together there this Fall.
Oh man.. it's gonna be awsome!!!!!!:bounce:

[andre22uk]

Hey guys,

Ive just started out at AAC, and its going well. Id suggest trying to get the foundations taken elsewhere then you can waive those classes too. Try and get as much done before coming out here as it will save you a tonne of money.

Drew

[Morganism]

Nissan: PM me sometime before you head out here. I'd be happy to show you around. I have a feeling that the labs will be closed during the break, though.

[keltuzar]

Why dont we all meet up?
I would be free during spring break and we could all meet up somewhere.
Also there is siggraph too... if I get selected for the volunteering post...

[DeletedPenguin]

I'm in my last semester at the Academy and I can fully support everything that everyone has said about the school. They are for profit, but the amount of resources at your disposal [especially through teachers and advisors] is definitely worth it. The career services department has a great resource for job searches as well. I've already had two job offers and I haven't even graduated yet. I'm in the visual effects program, but when it comes down to it, you really tend to learn much of the same stuff. One of the best tips I can give you while you're at the Academy is NETWORK. Work with other people, and get to know your peers as these people may be on the hiring committees and/or your boss down the road, so be social! Also, work on group projects to beef up your portfolio and demo reel as many studios get tired of seeing the same class/student projects on demo reels. Hope this helps, and I'll be checking back periodically for further posts.

Stefan

[Unled]

I may be going to Portland over spring break but i'm down for activities.

[Digiegg]

Okay! I'm seriously thinking about going this wed.
^^
only problem is shelter. I'm not rich.. I can't stay at 100 a night places... So I might need some help looking for places to stay till Friday morning

Anyone want to meet up?

[Redwolf]

all this talk about that school is making me sooo damn depressed... ITs soooo Expensive... but i know a lot of people who study hard at other cheaper schools and then get a scholorship and then go to AAC ... But that place is like my dream college... id give up any appandage just to go there...

:cry: i hate being poor...

[keltuzar]

Hi Redwolf,
sorry to hear about your financial problems.
The AAC has financial aid programs and I also know many students who are studying at the AAC off financial aid. If you are very dedicated and serious about what you are taking up I reccommend that you should goto the school and give it your best.
Also you could also finish some basic liberal art courses and transfer them to the school.

[Redwolf]

financial aid is one thing but living is the other down side .... not to mention i am all the way across on the north east cornor of us. But aac is my dream college and hopefully by some miricle ill be able to go there.. and for any one who is going there... apply ur self cuse not all people are as fortunate... and LOTS of luck :thumbsup:

[Morganism]

Hey Redwolf. Student loans, man! It's a lot of money, but if you really want to come here, the interest rate is really good right now, and you can spend like 15 years paying them back. If you really apply yourself in school you'll get a good job when you're done, it shouldn't be too bad.
Then there's scholarships and grants, which are free money.
Without grants or loans I wouldn't be here, and even though I'll be in debt for a while, I think it's worth it. I'd rather spend money on education than on a car or something.
You should call the financial aid department. You can get money to apply toward housing and supplies, also.

[omni]

Finacial aid is only for us citizens , right?

[keltuzar]

omni, unfortunately you are right. Financial Aid is only for US students.

[fattyLees]

Yeah you can do it ith loans Redwolf... it's an investment and worth it...

And being in Rutland isn't an excuse either...I had the same delema 4 years ago when I left Burlington (UVM) for San Francisco (AAC).

Good Luck

-Fatty

[Digiegg]

Anyone? =P I might need some phone numbers
^^
Which airport should I go to?

[Morganism]

Hey Nissan.
SFO or Oakland Airport, you should be able to get a shuttle from either one. You can ride BART if you fly into SFO though, which is cheaper.

PM me about a phone number...I don't know if I'll be around (Midterms is this week) but maybe. There are also some hostels in the city, if you'd like to look into them.

[Digiegg]

dang seems like most of the hotels are booked.

[fattyLees]

you can take BART to Oakland too, you just have to take a quick shutle to the airport.

[Morganism]

you can take BART to Oakland too, you just have to take a quick shutle to the airport.

Ah, so you can. There you have it. I'd just spring for whichever airline ticket is cheaper, then.

(By the way, Eric, nice job on your short last year, I thought I might mention that)

[fattyLees]

Thanks Morganism-

I had a lot of fun making it... Did you see Bird Feed at the Spring show? I'm hoping to start a new Short soon, but right now I'm kinda just focusing on short animation exercises.

Are you working on a short at AAC as well?

[focus]

What's up guys. I'm currently in my secound semester at AAC majoring in 3d animation, and enjoying it a lot. It's a ton of work, but if you really apply yourself it's worth the time and money. I see some fellow students who treat it like highschool in too many ways. You shouldn't be taking theese classes just to pass, (Liberal arts classes are maybe one exception to that;)) you should be taking them to learn as much as possible. I see too many people that do sub-par work because they don't even try. Then I just wonder, whats the point? Just remember to try as hard as you can.

Oops, went off on a rant there:) Anyway, I'm only in my 2nd semester right now, but one thing I would have done differently if I had the chance is to go to a JC and transfer in liberal arts credits. Though I think the foundation classes are very good so far, and I doubt JC's have comparable ones. So I think it's best to take thoose here. I'm going to be taking color and design this summer, not really looking forward to it... I've heard nothing but horror stories:) Anyway, maybe i'll see some of you around. I usually go to figure drawing workshops on thursday and friday nights. Anyone else? Later!

[Diffused]

Wow. I'm amazed on how many fellow AAC students are here.
We should all get together and chill. :buttrock:

PS: Maya 2 is killing me...
too... much.. work.. gah!

[keltuzar]

No problem... I can meet up too. Spring break will be starting and I will be free so if any1 want to meet up pm me and I will be there:thumbsup:

[Morganism]

fattyLees: Yeah, I saw it in the spring show. I just started working on a short with a pair of friends outside of school. We should have a website up in the near future..... Shorts are really fun to do, since it's entirely your own project. From your website I gather that you're animating at Tippet now? Congrats on that.

focus: I know what you mean about people treating it like highschool. I've known quite a few people who just do the minimum they have to in order to pass. What a waste of money. Anyway, when you get farther along, a lot of those people are weeded out. I try to go to the drawing workshops also, I was at heads and hands last friday......

It'd be cool to meet up sometime, guys.

[]_onewolf]

just wondering, for people who started their study in the fall semester...do most people fly back home during the 1 month break between december and january? or do u guys chill in SF?

Its abit hard for me to decide, how long my plane ticket should be...

[DeletedPenguin]

It's my last semester there, and I live off campus [by about 45 min.] and have a full time job, so I stick around, but many of the new students do go home, as the dorms close between semesters.

Stefan

[keltuzar]

When I joined last fall, I had taken winter intercession, which is a 2 week everyday classes for one subject. That way I got one more credit completed. Dont worry thought the intercession starts only on Jan 5th so no worrries of conflicting with new year or christmas.

[bowlofchili]

I'm going to AAC in the Fall, and I'm going into the MFA program. I think I'm a little older than most of you. I'm 25.

I have some questions.

First, have many of you have part time jobs while going to school?

I know its going to be rough, but I think I should work to make some ends meet. There are NO scholarships for MFA students, just in case anyone would like to know.

I'm going to try to find a place, anyone who might want to find a place with me, just PM me or email me. I will be flying out in July, and moving in August. I've done some homework and I know some good places to live, Alameda, parts of Oakland, Berkley, and a few places in San Fran itself. From what I know living in the city isn't the best Idea. It’s good to be close to the school but it’s pricey. BUT, if I can find a place in the city, I'm going to try that. Being I'm older, I'd prefer older roommates. Nothing personal, I just think I'd get along with people closer to my age 20-28. Then again, I'm open to various people.

Do you have names for good teachers? I mean some of these people must be regular teachers? They can’t be all new every semester. So post up some names so that we know who to take for these courses.

My Animation Mechanics class it at night, so I'm guessing this will be a career teacher, who will have a real job during the day. I’m happy about that one, but if the teacher sucks, I’m going to switch, hell, I’ll take the 2D animation course fi need be, I’m sure I’d learn a lot from that course.

Can Grad students Take the PIXAR classes? I know Shawn Kelly teaches there. I just want to know if Grad students can take these classes? This was the whole reason why I'm going to AAC. To learn from REAL pros; Meeting hella cool students is another. :beer:

-b

[jcheels114]

I just got accepted into the MFA animation program at AAC, conditionally. That means I have to take five undergrad courses before I begin the grad program. My question is about money. They said it costs about 15000 a year, and they would give a GREAT DEAL of 18000 dollars in LOANS. I felt so special when they offered me debt. Is the program worth the money and being in debt that much and being in school for approx 4 years since I'll be taking those undergrad classes first.

[Unled]

Hey Bowlofchili,

I'm about to turn 27 in april. I got a bit of a late start but it's no biggie, I feel I appreciate it more now than I might have right after high school.

I sort of have a part time job. I run an online T-shirt design copany;

http://www.enclothe.com

It works out better than a part time job for me. However I don't think i'd get a job otherwise.
The homework loads can be quite heavy at times and some work requires large amounts of time to complete. You don't want to turn in inferior work because you ran out of time and had to run off to your job right?
Working part time barely seems worth the trouble.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by bowlofchili
I'm going to AAC in the Fall, and I'm going into the MFA program. I think I'm a little older than most of you. I'm 25.

I have some questions.

First, have many of you have part time jobs while going to school?

I know its going to be rough, but I think I should work to make some ends meet. There are NO scholarships for MFA students, just in case anyone would like to know.



Do you have names for good teachers? I mean some of these people must be regular teachers? They can’t be all new every semester. So post up some names so that we know who to take for these courses.


-b

[keltuzar]

Originally posted by bowlofchili

Do you have names for good teachers? I mean some of these people must be regular teachers? They can’t be all new every semester. So post up some names so that we know who to take for these courses.

My Animation Mechanics class it at night, so I'm guessing this will be a career teacher, who will have a real job during the day. I’m happy about that one, but if the teacher sucks, I’m going to switch, hell, I’ll take the 2D animation course fi need be, I’m sure I’d learn a lot from that course.

Can Grad students Take the PIXAR classes? I know Shawn Kelly teaches there. I just want to know if Grad students can take these classes? This was the whole reason why I'm going to AAC. To learn from REAL pros; Meeting hella cool students is another. :beer:

-b

Hi I will try to answer come of your questions as best as I can so here goes.
Most of the teachers here at the AAC are good.
I do not know which classes you are taking so I cannot tell you which are the best ones.
Regarding the Pixar classes...which everyone want to get into... are very tough to get into.
There are many rules that one has to accomplish:-
1) finish the pre req. classes so that one is elligible.
2) come up with a demo reel showing a bouncing ball, character speaking and character walk cycle - MINIMUM.
due to the popularity of that class... one has to be damn good to be selected...
I am in a 4 year BFA course andI can only take it in my last few years of my course. Oh! and there are 2 pixar classes one entry level and the other master. Completion of one will make you eligible to take the other.
I am not sure of the pre-req classes for MFA but you can ask your advisor.

[SheepFactory]

Originally posted by bowlofchili
I know Shawn Kelly teaches there.
-b



Not anymore unfortunately :(

[DeletedPenguin]

I'm 25 as well, and I have held a fulltime job in addition to full time student status ever since attending the academy. I'm graduating this semester and fortunately I'm not working this semester [other than some freelance stuff] or it'd be overwhealming. Other than that, I've been pretty comfortable doing both, though I do enjoy being busy.


Stefan

[fattyLees]

Bowl of chile....live in the city.

It's cheaper than the East Bay b/c you're forgetting about the HUGE expense of BART and other public transportation. Plus it's much nicer to live in SF and it's damn convient.


my 2 cents
-Fatty

[DeletedPenguin]

BART does get expensive. I normally spent $120/mo. on BART. Though the apartments are less expensive, and nicer in my opinion. I also moved up from San Diego and liked the warmer weather in the East Bay. It was 89F here today and I spent the day by the pool! Anyways, there's trade offs, but the city is nice as well. I also spend 45 min. commuting each way, though this semester I have all night and weekend classes and parking is free on the streets after 6pm, so that's saved me quite a bit of money.

Stefan

[bowlofchili]

Sorry for the delay, something happened to my post, it never got posted!?

I’m will be in the AAC grad program and these are my classes for this upcoming fall

Animation Mechanics – can’t wait for this one. Night class
The History of Visual Effects and film – Morning class
Figure Drawing – morning and day class

Note: this is full time for a grad student.

Should I axe the history class and take Maya 1? I can take the history class in the summer. I’d like to get to the good stuff ASAP. I’m all about animation. Is there any chance I can get Maya courses waved if I already have a good understanding of what they are teaching?

I’m going to try to get a part time job with a flexible schedule. This may or may not be possible. School, or more importantly my (animation skills) are what are most important at this point. So if I have too, I will only go to school. I’m seriously considering trying out the city for residence, any of you live in the Mission? What are some good places near school that are reasonable? I’ve looked at maps, and have learned about the area, but I’d like to know where some of you students live? You say that BART gets expensive. Well, it’s cheaper than a car right? I can walk, but weather won’t always permit my drudging through rain and puddles.

Thanks for you input, if you have any suggestions about the classes, let me know, you can either post again or shoot me an email at brett@cronusweb.com.

Laterz,

Brett :bounce:

[keltuzar]

ok bowlofchili let me try answering some of your questions:-

1) So you want to take maya 1 and take history during the summer.... yes, I think that is a better chpice until or unless you think that history of arts is very VERY important to animation.
2) I dont think they will allow you to drop maya 1 or any maya classes that easily becuase of the $400 lab fees that is added with the tuition... also maya classes are your CORE classes.
Best of luck for your living expenses:thumbsup:

[jeremybirn]

But don't go there if you want to write violent stories! There's an article in today's Chronicle about a 3-D Arts freshman who was expelled for writing a very violent story for an English class there, it was turned over to the police, and the class's teacher was fired as well.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/25/MNGI85QTK11.DTL
(I think you can use "anonymous" as the login if you don't have a login; otherwise it only takes a minute to create one.)

-jeremy

[???]

But don't go there if you want to write violent stories! There's an article in today's Chronicle about a 3-D Arts freshman who was expelled for writing a very violent story for an English class there, it was turned over to the police, and the class's teacher was fired as well.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/25/MNGI85QTK11.DTL


OMG ! :eek: But what was in that story ? Is it 3D animation, 2D animation ?

Im not very good to reed english articles.. but it looks interesting. So if its 3D.. i think is fine but if they killed someone to put on a 3D demo is baka as hell :eek:

[Morganism]

That's nuts. Maybe the story was pointless violence with no substance....so give the kid an F or something.

Anyway, Bowl of Chili, You should definately try to waive any class that you don't think you need to take. If you have even a basic understanding of Maya, then Maya 1 may very well be a waste of your time. As for maya classes, though, the sooner you start getting them out of the way, the sooner you can get into the better classes. Definatly do as much animation as you can every semester, so that you can get a reel together for the Pixar class.

I live in SOMA, pretty close to school, which is nice.

[bowlofchili]

Hello again everyone,

Thanks for all your advice.

I’ll change my classes around, I’m not sure how easy it will be to wave that Maya class, but I really don’t want to go through the basics all over again. I’m going to talk it over with my advisor before I make any solid decisions.

keltuzar, I think I will try to take a Maya class just to get it out of the way. Thanks for you advice.

Morganism, thanks for letting me know about the Maya classes. I’m sure the Maya 1 class even for the grad program will be basic stuff. Since I’m going to try and go to school as cheaply as possible. I’ll TRY to have the classes waived that aren’t needed. But I’m sure the school is not going to help me with this matter.

by the way great avatar!!

Hi Jeremy,

Its kind of crazy to meet the people who write the books I read. Anyway, this story makes me feel a little weary of the school. I don’t think someone should be shunned because of an interest in horror or serial killer fiction. Are we to shun the people who makes these films in Hollywood? I can understand a concern, but being expelled is a serious charge for having an imagination. I myself don’t write this type of material, but I don’t like to think that I could be expelled from school for expressing myself in a civil manner. If he were acting out these horrible acts, I would understand a concern.

Quotes

"All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

And to cap it all off…

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Cheers,

B

[SheepFactory]

He must have written some really sick shit cause I have seen people write some really disturbing stories (child rape , animal cruelty , mass murder) and get A's in those english classes.

[keltuzar]

I am an indian and I suck at writing long essays....as a matter of fact I hate writing long essays.... I can rant about it but I cannot write it.
Wow! I never knew that there were creative people in our english writing classes.
OMG ! But what was in that story ? Is it 3D animation, 2D animation ?
CMon! 3d or 2d, fashion or fineart anyone can write such a thing.
I like this statement in the article:-
"This is supposed to be a school of creativity," said Logan, the 3-D animation major. The young man who got expelled "was a little strange," he said, "but honestly, all art students are. We're all a little weird in our own way."

[BLee]

Just beware of taking any 3D classes, some of the class may dissapointed you. wish you luck
Been there, done that.:thumbsup:

[hydrophobic]

Alan Kaufman, author of "Jew Boy" and editor of "The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry,'' teaches modern art and popular culture at the school and has taught sections of Narrative Storytelling. "The (school's) system is based on corporate greed,'' he said. "It doesn't even give the bare minimum to students in terms of psychiatric counseling or social services. It just treats kids like credit cards, like clients, basically. There is no artistic vision."

[keltuzar]

Alan Kaufman, author of "Jew Boy" and editor of "The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry,'' teaches modern art and popular culture at the school and has taught sections of Narrative Storytelling. "The (school's) system is based on corporate greed,'' he said. "It doesn't even give the bare minimum to students in terms of psychiatric counseling or social services. It just treats kids like credit cards, like clients, basically. There is no artistic vision."
Welcome to amercian private universities! How do you expect a private college to get funds? If not take advantage of the students?
Blee is right that there are some teachers who dont do a whole lot of effort to teach the students and that irritates me, becuase I am paying them to teach me. If they dont do a good job I am definately complaining and getting my money back. You pay for what you get, if you are not satisfied with the service then get your money back....

[Morganism]

I’ll TRY to have the classes waived that aren’t needed. But I’m sure the school is not going to help me with this matter.

The administration's not going to help you, and they may even tell you flat out that it's impossible. Often the advisors don't know what they are talking about, though. If your advisor is being fickle, go talk to Rob Gibson or one of the other department heads, because they are really the ones with the authority, and they also know the curriculum better. So if you can prove that you know basic Maya to one of those guys, you should have no problem waiving the class.

[Unled]

My friend just waived out of Computer Animation Production with no problem. In fact the test he took to waive out of it was insanely easy. So he's going straight to Maya 1 which is probably where he should be anyway, since he's a more experienced user.

[Morganism]

Yeah, I waived CAPs also. All I had to do was show that I knew how to put stuff to tape.

[keltuzar]

I knew maya but taking the CAPS class made me more experinced and geve me an excuse to work on a 3d character and to animate it. If I had taken maya 1 directly I would have not much more experince. I strongly reccomend to take the class and have Rob Gibson to teach :thumbsup:

[Diffused]

"CAPS class was a joke."
That’s what all my friends who took it said anyway. I took their advice and waived out too - All it takes is a test or submit a reel showing you have some degree of knowledge doing computer graphics/animation. It was the same reel that got me the full scholarship for a semester when I was first coming in from High School.
And so I waived it out. .. Even though I had no experience in Maya whatsoever. ( I came from 3dsmax )

So technically... if I survived Maya 1 with ease without taking CAPS first, i highly suggest everyone to do the same. Save your money~! :shrug:


Maya 1 was easy. Maya 2 is where the fun begun :)

[Morganism]

If you waive the beginning classes now that you don't need, it means that you get to take more higher level classes later, that you do need. If you're visiting this site, I garantee you already have a leg up, and if you know anything about Computer Graphics, a lot of your time and money will be wasted in the entry level courses.

[SheepFactory]

I took caps , biggest mistake ever , than i skipped maya 1 , 2 and 3 and went to advanced modelling and animation classes.

[Diffused]

Hmm. Did you take both Advanced modeling AND Advanced Animation classes?

I'm almost done with maya 2.. deciding what to take next. Cant make up my mind.. both sound fun.

Was wondering if you can actually take both.

[omni]

Have been reading all posts in this thread now.. I have applied to the Academy but I’m thinking again because there are many downs. Teachers are not good, they only want your money, don’t expect too much of the class etc. What is positive with the Academy, except the Pixar classes =) ?

[Digiegg]

like they said earlier, all colleges basically want your money.
all other colleges have ups and downs.

Ok. Question. I've been learning BRYCE since high school and sadly that's the only 3D program I know... is that ok?
I have animations and stuff but it's really a amature thing...

You think they'll let me waive it?

[keltuzar]

To waive a class you need to take the tests or talk to a teacher you may know in the academy or show your work to a teacher.
I reccomend that you go to Rob Gibson, show him your animations and try to convice him that you are good at what you do and try to waive the into to computer animation and CAPS class.
Sheep Factory, what did you do to skip all those maya classes? Did you make a demo of an animation or something?

[Morganism]

omni: Sorry if we sound pessimistic. I don't mean to discourage anyone, but it's important to recognize that no school is perfect, especially because you'll be spending a lot of money. Don't get me wrong, though, I actually think it's a great school (which is why I'm still here.)

The Academy has the same faults that most schools have. It's a business, so they're trying to make money. Most of the faculty are actually quite good, but like any school, every once in a while you're going to get a teacher that is dissapointing. Also, the administration is in charge, but they don't necessarily know anything about Computer Graphics, or art in general.

However, the faculty as a whole is pretty well qualified. The school also some good resources, from equiptment and software, to lectures and guest speakers. The reason I keep paying for it, though, is because of the community that you become friends with, and because of the motivation that being in school provides.

[danteort]

I was just curious if anyone knew off the top of their head how strict the Foundations department is about their portfolio requirements to have a class waived. For example, to waive the basic Figure Drawing class, it was emailed to me (by an admissions representative) that I would need to show two drawings on 18x24. However, the place I'm taking figure drawing right now generally works quite a bit bigger (at least 24x36 or larger). Do you think they'd accept larger work, provided it shows I know the basics of drawing the figure?

If nobody knows the answer, does anyone happen to have the email address of an instructor that I should contact? I'm just wondering if I need to bring in some smaller paper for a couple of sessions to get these drawings done, or if simply showing them other (larger) work would be sufficient.

[]_onewolf]

does anyone have any links to some animation, works produced by students from the college?

I havent seen one student post anything on this site thats hit front page =/

[keltuzar]

Ask Sheep Factory... he is in the AAC and he had bound to have some animation that you may enjoy. As for me this only my second semester so I cannot show you any 3d animations because I havent taken any.
I totaly agree with you on the point about posting animated shorts. The thing is I have seen many students practise on the given models in the AAC (hogan, etc) that all the animations looks redundant. There are few who take it to the next step and make a short with a new model.
Many students also put the same animations in their demo reel and dont bother making a new model and a storyline.
But hey! they do get into good studios here in the bay area.

[]_onewolf]

Its just ive seen so many students from ringling post up their amazing thesis animations. Yet i still dont know what kind of quality comes out from AAC :shrug:

[keltuzar]

You need to see the upcomming spring show, many students dont bother posting their animations online, they are always busy in perfecting their animations. If you can, try to make it for the AAC Spring Show in May. Contact the AAC for details.
Not boasting or anything but there are Pixar's people teaching 3 pixar animation course and there is also another 3 more 3d animation corses for higher level, not to mention the 2d animations.
AAC has also decided to merge the two (2d and 3d) together. So if you are going for 3d or 2d you will have to take classes of both worlds.
Also AAC has recently began teaching renderman and mel, which I am looking forward to. Its all up to you in the end, student's work doesnt mean they had the best teachers in the world but they worked their ass off to get such an awesome animation.

[bowlofchili]

Okay people, I had this really great post for you all, but the CGTALK Gods (servers) were too busy last night and I lost my wonderful post. Sooo, I’m just going to list some great AAC animators.

Yeah, Ringling has some great shorts, that look beautiful, but AAC Rocks when it comes to animation. I’m not dogging Ringling at all, but AAC is hard core when it comes to animation skills. It must be those Pixar classes, or something in the water?!

:bowdown:

Robin Luera (http://www.melvinandi.com/)

Jean Denis (http://www.jeandenis.net/)

Pramod Shantharam (http://www.modianimation.com/)

Wes Mandell (http://www.animationaddiction.com/)

Jeep Naarkom (http://www.maimalai.com/)

:bowdown:

These are only a few. There are many more.

If you look most of them have profiles on CGTALK. There are lots of areas of CG and 3D art, I’d say these people focused more on animation. Ringling seems to give a well rounded education in all the areas related to making an animated short, so its your decision. AAC was the best pick for me, because it offers an MFA program in 3D animation, and the program rocks from what I know… School have there issues, Ringling is just as expensive, and needs just as much money to run. They do have a portfolio review, and I think a lot of people that go into the program have really good drawing skills, for those who might be interested.

Laterz, :bounce:

Brett

Aaahhhh I want my Avatar!!!! I'm not a Troll. :cry:

[Digiegg]

wow... amazing.... just amazing....
more inspirations for me ^^

[jeremybirn]

I just got e-mail Al SanMiguel (Iron Monkey Animation club mailing):

"This Saturday (April 3rd) Siggraph members are invited for a get-together to go see Hellboy. John and I will be going to the 7:15 showing at the Metreon, and anyone is very welcome to come. Good opportunity to meet with your fellow members as well as see a entertaining movie with friends."

-jeremy

[keltuzar]

Hell YA!,
I was supposed to goto today( Friday), but I changed my mind and I have decided to come for this one.
Cannot wait to meet fellow cgtalkers!

[jeremybirn]

As an alt place people could meet first:

"The Academy Costume Carnival is also tomorrow ( 10AM - 4PM at the Powell Illustration Bldg), which is a wonderful chance to practice your drawing or get reference photos for your work. Iron Monkey will be holding an after party, so you are welcome to stay at Powell to show off any work, or just have fun. =)"

-jeremy

[Morganism]

I'm planning on going to the costume carnival, I guess I might as well stick around for Iron Monkey....

[Morganism]

double post.......

[keltuzar]

the movie is not sold out. I just bought mine from fandango and had no problems.

here is the whole email:-
Hi everyone,
Here are a couple of things to let you know about:

This Saturday (April 3rd) Siggraph members are invited for a get-together to go see Hellboy. John and I will be going to the 7:15 showing at the Metreon, and anyone is very welcome to come. Good opportunity to meet with your fellow members as well as see a entertaining movie with friends.

The Academy Costume Carnival is also tomorrow ( 10AM - 4PM at the Powell Illustration Bldg), which is a wonderful chance to practice your drawing or get reference photos for your work. Iron Monkey will be holding an after party, so you are welcome to stay at Powell to show off any work, or just have fun. =) Then we'll head over to Hellboy.

This Tuesday, April 6th is Siggraph student chapter's monthly meeting at 1:30 in the Sub Room 180 NM. If you cannot make it, please e-mail me questions you have, that I can put out to discuss at the meeting.

Thanks to all of you that have helped in forming this group and keeping interest in the current and future activities

[jeremybirn]

Originally posted by keltuzar
the movie is not sold out. I just bought mine from fandango and had no problems.

That's true, I tried again and got one.

-jeremy

[SpikeL]

Hello all! I don't know if anyone will see this in time for this friday. But I have applied to the Academy of Art and I am actually coming over there this friday the 23rd through sunday the 25. I was wondering if there was anyone wanting to meet up and maybe show me around. I have a meeting and tour signed up with Mitch Nelson, to have my portfolio, transcripts and everthing else looked at and processed. I am currently a Junior at NC State University and goign to be making a transfer there. I am very excited about checking the school out. I have past experience in 3DS Max but it's been a while since i've really spent a lot of time in it. Since i've been in freaking college studying engineering and burning out every semester because of 18-19 hour courseloads. But I hope to really pursue my dreams and achieve a degree in Computer Arts- 3d Animation. Well hope to hear from you guys soon.

[keltuzar]

Hi spikeL,
I would like to meet a fellow cgtalk member. If you can we could meet up on Friday. My friends are heading to China town and you could come along if you are intersted. I could then show you around after the round.
Drop me a pm if you are intersted.

[omni]

Hey SpikeL!

Im going for the Computer arts- 3D animation program too. I will be there for the summer semester though. It would be great to meet some fellow CG talk members as keltuzar said =)

[andre22uk]

Hey guys,

keltuzar, you wanna meet on Friday too?

Drew

[keltuzar]

Originally posted by omni
Hey SpikeL!

Im going for the Computer arts- 3D animation program too. I will be there for the summer semester though. It would be great to meet some fellow CG talk members as keltuzar said =)
Sure omni,
Again do pm me if you want to meet during the summer.:thumbsup: we can have a cgtalk get together.
Taking Color and Design and English during summer and I could meet up with peeps.
Drew check your email on the details.
Also AAC has got a siggraph club going on and if you want to goto siggraph with a bunch 'o people from the AAC check out the following email:-

Hi Everyone,
Siggraph AAU is having the next meeting this Thursday, April 22nd.
At 1:30 PM in the Sub room (Basement level) of 180 New Montgomery Bldg.

I have class but I will arrive late for this meeting....

[eldent]

wats up everybody,

Got a few questions. I'll be goin to the AAU in sept to start a bfa in animation. I'll be in the second degree program (i already have a ba in computer science). I'm registering for classes now and was curious if anyone has any tips on good and bad professors. I think I'll be taking the following:

ca3d 101 intro to computer graphics
fnd 110 ananlysis of form
fnd 112 figure drawing
fnd 131 figure modeling

Also, I'm a bit confused about the different programs and majors offered? I'm interested in character animation and possibly a second concentration in modeling or vfx. the catalog, website and my admin advisor have given me conflicting information. should i be declared as animation or computer arts? is character animation a major because my advisor says it's not and i'd be declared as general animation. can i even have a double major, since i heard that AAU doesn't recognize double major degrees?
i hope someone who's actually going there might be able to help me straighten this out.

And does anyone need a flat mate this coming fall? i'm looking to move out there in august with a car and hopefully find something not too expensive.

-elden

[SheepFactory]

they change the curriculum every damn semester.

I am a character animation major , so they told you they dont have it anymore , great :\ , I better go have a talk with them.


Those intro classes all have good instructors so dont worry.


you can take any class you want after you take care of foundations so dont worry about that stuff for the first two semesters.

[BNicolucci]

So has anyone here taken their Summer Art Experience for High School Students? My son (14) is looking to take a few of their classes this year and I was wondering what everyone's experience was.

Thanks for any info!

[Diffused]

I took a couple of Art Experience classes back when I was in high school. They are great. Just like the real classes, but without the grades. Lots of fun; the drawing classes especially. ( Such as figure drawing and analysis of form)

They even give you a nice shiny piece of paper saying you survived in the end! :shrug:

[BNicolucci]

Awesome. Thanks for the reply Diffused!

[d4rk]

I got a question and I have read the whole thread, but it looks like AAC has changed their requirments a bit. I'm hoping that any of you can help me out. I want to go for the BFA of Computer Arts Animation.

What is the tuitiion looking like for people that transfer in. I did the math based on what's on their site but I got a HUGE number that seems totally wrong. Assuming you transfer in 36 units (the max) what are you paying in the end?

Or what are you guys paying a year to go there???

My math must be off, One part of AAC's site says one thing, then the new requirments for each major seem to jack up the price a bit.

-a little info about myself. I'm going to my local city college to aquire the 36 transfer units. I also want to try to wave some of the drawing classes by taking them at my city college. You can do that right? I still got another year here. Hope you guys can help me. Please?

[eldent]

thanks for the reply sheep factory.
that's one less thing to worry about.

-elden

[jeremybirn]

Originally posted by eldent
I'll be in the second degree program (i already have a ba in computer science). ...
Also, I'm a bit confused about the different programs and majors offered?

Good for you getting a CS degree first, that'll put you ahead of most of their graduates when it comes to getting jobs (or even internships.) The computer arts department is being merged with the animation department there, so I don't think an initial choice between the two will make a big difference after that change.

-jeremy

[solarisavenger]

Originally posted by eldent
[ca3d 101 intro to computer graphics
fnd 110 ananlysis of form
fnd 112 figure drawing
fnd 131 figure modeling
-elden [/B]

If you have scanned thru this forum an advice that has been going around are:-
intro to comp. graphics is a waste of time including CAPS. Only if you dont know what is a pixel or resolution, full form of jpeg or bmp. Or if you have never touched After Effects, Photoshop and Maya.
Figure Drawing take Ruben De Anda nice teacher.
that is all the suggestion and advice I can provede
Cheers!
edit...
Yes you can do a double degree here in the AAU. If you have the cash anything is possible. ;) ....
also sheep factory wht were you saying regarding change in cirriculum?

[SheepFactory]

I would NOT take Reuben de anda.

[solarisavenger]

Originally posted by Sheep Factory
I would NOT take Reuben de anda.
why? he is awesome! have you seen his work? I have improved in his class. He is a bit strict with the grading and he does give homework but if one has to improve you cannot expect the teacher to remove a wand and do some magic do you?:hmm:
If I am mistaken then I would like you to tell me, cause I am myself not sure. The only reason I took Ruben is becuase I asked teachers and fellow students and they all pointed me to Ruben.

[SheepFactory]

I am not going to talk about teachers in a public forum , ask me in person and i'll give you the lowdown on every instructor.


if you guys take heads and hands take it from Craig Marshall

Clothed fig drawing from Carol Nunnely

and clothed two from Bill Sanchez.


They are the best instructors ever.

[jeremybirn]

All of you who have opinions on instructors should post some reviews on http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ - there are some ratings there for AAC (AAU) now, but if there were a lot more it would be a benefit to future students.

-jeremy

[eldent]

At Boston University (where i got my ba in cs) we have what we call the Soure Guide. a compilation of student evals for all the most popular classes. ratings on how much homework is given, how fair the grading is, how good or bad the lectures are, etc. it's great for getting a feeling for the professor before classes begin and to avoid a week of switching in and out of classes. if there's some student gov't or group at the AAU, someone should recommend the idea to them.

here's another question for ya. my advisor said i should take ill2d 247 intro to animation instead of figure modeling because fnd classes are pretty time consuming. what kind of work load should i be expecting cuz i plan to get a part time job? and is it ok to presume that whoever they give me for my ill2d 247 prof will be fine since it's just another intro class?

-elden

[solarisavenger]

if you are working during the week and you are off on a Saturday then I reccomend figure modelling becuase right now I am taking one and its perfect. There are less kids, more attention and the teacher (Zang Wanxim) is a talented scuplture.
As for intro to animation there are no classes over the weekend.
Also another thing is that in figure modelling, Zang give homework every week till midterm then he stop giving you and tells you to do simple things like write and essay or the final fantasy head or goto the museum stuff like that. Also on satuday (since its a 5 hr class) there is a break in btw of 1/2hr.
IMO I like satuday classes its less crowded and the teacher gives you more attention, but then again what suits me may not suit you.
This the info I can give you for the figure modelling you may need to wait for one for the intro to animation
:thumbsup:
btw, when r u planning to join the AAU?

[silicate]

Forgive me for not reading the entire thread (it's huge!) I'm a little confused, what is AAU?

Also how much is it a year to go to Academy of Art College? I find their website a little confusing. I'm thinking about trying to transfer there after I finish up my AA. COnserned about money tho.

Also where is it? I've been to San Francisco many times where is it near?

Hope you can help this newbie ;)

[Morganism]

AAC is now AAU (Academy of Art University). We just got an upgrade.

The main offices and the Computer Art department is located on New Montgomery, a couple blocks south of Market St. (a block or so east of the MoMA)

[eldent]

thanks for the info sol, i start this fall in sept. the catalog says that figure drawing and analysis of form are prerequisites and i haven't taken either. is it really necessary to have taken those prereq's before taking figure modeling? in general, for any class, are the prereq's more of a suggestion or a strict rule? would the school even allow me to take certain classes if i haven't taken a prereq?

-elden

[Morganism]

Right now, it seems like prereqs are just a suggestion. The curriculum keeps changing, so a class that is required this semester may count as an elective next semester. My suggestion is to be proactive and take only the classes you want to take. Make sure your advisor listens to you rather than just telling you which classes are necessary, because they really don't know what they're talking about.

[solarisavenger]

eldent dont skip on those classes. Very Very important. Analysis of form and figure drawing. And I also think they are foundation classes too so there is no way getting them out of the way until or unless you are transferring. But in analysis of form you learn a lot about shadows and what are the different areas of light.
Figure drawing is fun too. To answer your main question would be YES! do take the 2 classes. I reccommend taking the firgure drawing 1st before attemting modelling. Or you can do both together. I am doing it right now. One needs to know the human form to transfer onto clay so figure drawing helps.
take it easy and best of luck.
Silicate:- The Academy of Art "University" (redundant isnt it? Academy and university?) is located at New Montgomery Street and Baker Street.

[eldent]

i had no intention of skipping the foundation classes. i was just curious about the possibility of taking classes in a different order in case it might help me get better professors or a better schedule. i still plan to take figure drawing and analysis of form in the fall and figure modeling in the spring. and maybe i'll get it with zang wanxim if he's still teaching it in the spring.

thanks for the info morganism, very good to know that.. i'll have to take a closer look at the course catalog.

anybody got any tips on stuff i should do this summer so i can hit the ground running in sept and be ahead of the game?

-elden

[silicate]

thanks for the response Morganism!

Looks like it's $7,540 a year to go there. Is that what you guys are spending? I think I'll try to go to their Academy Day in LA May 23rd.

I'm kind of excited about going there. How easy is it to wave the drawing classes, anyone? I am going to take some of them at the college I'm at (figure drawing / life drawing). If I could wave them once I'm there, it would save me some moola.

[danteort]

Originally posted by Morganism
Right now, it seems like prereqs are just a suggestion. The curriculum keeps changing, so a class that is required this semester may count as an elective next semester. My suggestion is to be proactive and take only the classes you want to take. Make sure your advisor listens to you rather than just telling you which classes are necessary, because they really don't know what they're talking about.

I've seen this mentioned many times, and was curious about how exactly you meant this. Did you mean take the classes you want within the constraints of your degree program, or do you mean actually just take whatever you want to take, disregarding the degree outlines?

[strick9]

Hi All,

Just wanted to say hi to everyone, I was recently accepted to the graduate program at the Academy, maybe I'll be seeing some of you at school. I am flying out on the 2nd to check out some places to live. I am excited, cant wait to skate Pier 7 :bounce:

[solarisavenger]

Originally posted by strick9
Hi All,

Just wanted to say hi to everyone, I was recently accepted to the graduate program at the Academy, maybe I'll be seeing some of you at school. I am flying out on the 2nd to check out some places to live. I am excited, cant wait to skate Pier 7 :bounce:

Yo Strick9!
Its cool to another cgtalker going to AAU.
Pm me if you want to meet up. I am taking summer classes but I can surely meet up.
Also if you are interested in going to siggraph I can provide you free ehibition passes!
So just pm and we will take it from there.
best of luck!

[Morganism]

Originally posted by danteort
Did you mean take the classes you want within the constraints of your degree program, or do you mean actually just take whatever you want to take, disregarding the degree outlines?

Well, I'm personally trying to take as many animation classes as I can. There's only a certain amount on the degree outline, though, so I don't want to take classes that aren't going to count toward anything. So you talk to your advisor, or to a department head, and say, "I'm an animation major, I should be taking more animation. What can I get this class to count for?" And then you waive history of film, or some other class you don't really care enough about.

How easy is it to wave the drawing classes, anyone?

If you submit a portfolio, and it's good, you can waive figure drawing 1, and then they'll put you in figure drawing 2. :)
The figure drawing classes are good. If your a modeller, you learn about muscle structure and proportion, if your an animator, you learn about pose, if you're a compositor, you learn about composition and lighting. Plus, no matter how good you are, you'll always get better by taking a figure drawing class. So I would suggest taking it anyway.
When I first came here I wanted to try and waive it also. I had a small portfolio from my other school that I was proud of. Now when I look back at those drawings after taking several drawing classes, they look like crap.

[johny3d]

eee

[strick9]

even director of 3d animation dept. is not 3d artist.... isn't tell what kind of school is academy?

Say what??? Time for somebody to go back to school. ;)

[eldent]

does anyone know where i can find some detailed information about the AAU's pixar classes and advanced animation classes? i didnt find any info on the AAU site or from the course cataolg they gave me.

-elden

[Morganism]

I don't know if there's anything posted anywhere....I have a feeling it wouldn't be that accurate anyway.


Just ask here, or you can PM me if you have any specific questions.

[fattyLees]

Hey Guys-

I finished at AAC last year and I can tell you a little bit about the Pixar classes.

When I was there, Dave Mullins and Lisa Mullins taught the class...great teachers.

Anyways, you need a portfolio to get into the class. You most likely will have to have some animation classes under your belt before you can actually get in. There is a lot of competition to get into these classes, but if you are good you will get in. Also If you are a grad student you have to option to take the Pixar class as a group directed study which means you are pretty much garenteed a spot in the class.

You will see flyers on the 3rd floor of 180 New Montgomery telling you to submit a reel. Keep submitting if you don'tget in.

-Fatty

[solarisavenger]

Hope this helps

PIXAR DEMO REEL REQUIREMENTS

Sense of Story - Communicating an idea is more important than having just a sequence of shots in a movie.

Possible Exercises that Show Ability
- a walk cycle
- an action
- something animated to dialogue
- something involving weight
- 2D animation skills

Your Label
- name
- ID number
- Pixar class going for
- year at Academy
- phone
- email

best of luck those who are submitting! and yes those classes are are very comptetive.
There are also 3 advanced animation classes that one can take before attempting the pixar animation classes.
-solarisavanger
Oh! did any one goto the Jim Reigel Presentation the vfx supervisor for LOTR! amazing guy! showed some of the making off but hey you can see that on the dvd too but great guy and nice to talk too.

[eldent]

are there different requirements for the second and third pixar classes? or is it that once you get into the first one and pass you can automatically take the second and third sequentially? and what are the requirements for the 3 advanced animation classes?

-elden

[SheepFactory]

no you have to turn in a portfolio for each pixar class.

[bowlofchili]

I can't wait to get into the Pixar classes. So you say the grad students are shoe in's? I already have a demo reel, but I'm sure I'll have to take some other classes to polish my animation skills before I try to get in, maybe I'll shoot for my second semester.

As for the requirements on the BFA animation classes, I think they have a bunch of pre-requisites. Remember that you can test out of classes, they may want you to take classes in their place, but at least they will be more useful than Maya 1, 2, or any other course that you might be below your current skill set. Check into what those classes go over. I’m not sure if the online courses are the same as the normal classes, but the online course description tells what the class does for a project on the website. If the classroom courses are anything similar, then you have a general idea of what you need to know to bypass that class.

In your case Elden, I'd make sure you didn't have to take that Basics computer course. I don’t remember the name of the course, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t need it. Once you get the Maya stuff of the way, I think you are pretty open to take what you want. So if you already have good Maya ability, then try to test out of the beginner classes, or bypass them. Of course if your app is XSI or Max, then it would be the same with the XSI 1,2 etc. I think the Pixar classes use Maya, BUT. I'm not sure... you'll have to ask all the nice folks that have taken these classes. What do you say Sheep factory?

Have any of you AAU student taken 2D or Stop Motion classes? Would you suggest taking these classes?

It’s getting closer to the Fall semester; I’m getting pretty excited about moving and being schooled in animation. Can’t wait!!! :bounce: :buttrock:

Over and Out,

Brett

PS - From what I’ve read on this thread, it seems as though the BFA incoming student advisors don’t really know anything about what’s going on with the programs. The Graduate Student Advisors seem to know what’s going on, even if they don't know everything. I haven’t had any problems thus far. If you have any problems or questions or want to wave classes talk to you Program Director, ask your advisor for there name. I think Rob Gibson is his name for the BFA Computer Art/Animation, keltuzar brought this up, a little while back. Just keep it in mind, that you have to stay on top of things, you don’t want to get sidetracked.

[Digiegg]

Going to San Francisco for real this time!!!
June 1 - 3.
YES I'll be going to the Student Exhibition thing for AAC.
So excited!!!!

What's some fun things I can do in San Francisco???
Sucks I'm not 21 so I can't buy booze. T.,T
Tell me some things that are fun I can do.
just email me: davidkim@digiegg.com

THANK YA!

[silicate]

I went to AAU's Academy day in LA. I talked to the department head for Computer Arts, Lourdes Livingston, she didn't give the impression that she didn't know anything about it. I noticed that her background is primarily graphic design however. Anyway it all sounded pretty good. They have changed their requirments (must be headaches for you guys in there now).

It all sounded interesting to me.

They got me squared away on what I can transfer and what I can't. They also said that you can transfer classes as eletives. It was all interesting for me.

The fashion show was cool, lots of attractive models. I am going to start next year it looks like. Fall 2005 for sure (though not as a Fashion major lol), if I manage to get any sort of Portfolio grant I'll start in Summer of 2005 :D.

One encouraging thing, that I've noticed, is that every semester they seem to be improving the ciriculum. Which is good for us that haven't started yet (I have already heard how it can be frustrating for you guys that are already working toward your degrees).

And now here is a picture of a really attractive asian model from the fashion show:
http://www.shadinger.com/offsite/asianghost.jpg

P.S.
I also plan to be in San Francisco for the Student Exhibition on June 5th. I'll take tons of photos, as I do, I can post some if anyone wants...

[solarisavenger]

Yo Silicate!,
Looks like you are getting a liking to asian chicks that San Francisco is full off!
For more info. on your classes you may want to speak to grace jhonson. She knows everything that happens at the coputer arts dept. and knows which classes are avalable.
Lourdes was actually new media and then they promoted her to computer arts, so she isnt as well informed as grace is.
Best of luck would like to meet other cgtalkers and like I said all the times on this thread.... pm me and I will definately meet up.
Cheers!

[silicate]

solarisavenger - I'll be sure to talk to her, thanks for the info!

[cyphers_lock]

Hmm. Well this is good. I've been thinking of going back to school. I've always been interested in Art, drawing and 3D. But I never got any real encouragement from my family. Was encouraged to pursue other things. Currently, I've got a small web dev company and its alright but I've always wanted to "tell a story" be it a game or just for fun. But I'm looking at game art & Design. Bearing in mind the only exposeure to drawing has b een stick men until recently where I'm actually practicing on my own. The money would be nice if I get good but this is more for enjoymen anyway.
I've heard that if you're past a certain age (25) then its not a good idea. I think if I apply myself then theres nothing I can't do.

That being said my gf (soon to be fiancee) says she is supportive. I'd be going to the Art Institute in Toronto, anyone have thoughts on that one? I've looked at Sheridan (too long 4+ years and need killer portfolio, which I don't have) Seneca (fulltime) and Humber.
But I came back to AI. I need thoughts and opinions as this is no small step (either personally or financially) for me or my girl.
Thanks guys
Erik

[Digiegg]

I'll be going to AAC tomorrow

Going by myself and i'll be VERY VERY lost.
my ex gf cancled out on me so I'll probably have a bad time there..

sigh... i'll be going to the exhibition so yea, i hope i get to meet some people there..

I'll be wearing a brown yoshi shirt saying give me a free ride around 5ish or so. If you see me come say hi ^^ i'll be shy

here i come san fran! alone...

[strick9]

Hey Nissan,

I too am leaving for SF tommorrow. I am only staying from Wed to Sat though, and don't think I am gonna make it to the show. I have to find an apartment in that short time, that is my number 1 priority.

Oh Cyphers, Are you referring to the Art Institute, or AAU? I saw you used AI as an abbreviation in your post. Please note that they are different schools, I wouldn't want you to get the wrong info on your schooling.

[cyphers_lock]

Yep I'm talking about the Art Institute.

[solarisavenger]

Hope u all are coming for the starship trooper 2 show at the metron.
I am going and if u are looking for me I will be fat indian dude.
Pm me and we can meet up and go for the show.
cheers!

[Digiegg]

Man! I JUST got back from San Francisco!
It was so awsome!!!! Things are expensive there.. =P
Ah... I'm took like 300 pictures hahaha.
I'll post them on my website and post it here for you guy to see.

AAU was awsome. I saw the galleries and there were so many talents!!!! Buildings are pretty damn nice too. ^^

I'm in the Sutter Dorm with Joseph! ^^

[solarisavenger]

Sutter as in 860 or some other one?
Dude we can meet up if u want just pm me when u reach and we can do a small cgtalk get together.
Cheers!
Oh by the way the maya 6 show was awesome! the features and also the small shrek 2 presentation was so cool. Not to mention the free food and booze!

[Digiegg]

the international dorm. ^^

Anyone in the dorms there? pm me~~

[solarisavenger]

ENJOY!
I was there before I HATED it. Well I think it was becuase of the kids doing drugs and alcohol that I didnt get time really mix well with those clowns who lived there.
Enjoy the food CAUSE IT STINKS! No proper menu everytime the same thing u will get bored of it.
If u want it cheap go for a double with a common bathroom. Its the best becuase they clean the common bathrooms every day so u neednt worry about unhygene. Wherease for ur personal bathrooms which might be shared by 3 other people will be cleaned only once a week. I was in room 208 before I moved to jones. It was a common bath and since all the other rooms had their own bath it wasnt a problem and it was also just outside my room so no bother moving from one room to the other.
Best of luck!
Pm me for more info :)

[Digiegg]

i heard you get kicked out of the academy if they find beer in your dorm... that sucks.. because beer is sometimes my inspiration to do things ^^

Yea it stinks but oh well. I want to meet people and stuff. Yea I heard they have bad dorming and stuff but what can I do? I don't know anyone there =P My roomie and I'm thinking about moving to APT after dorming.

[Digiegg]

Pictures are up!! I'm back and it was hell of a time!!!!

http://www.digiegg.com

Enjoy! Not much pics of academy... I was busy getting stuff done with counsler..

[Rkhon]

Hey just saw the photos...good stuff. How much was travelling cost to visit? if you don't mind me asking of course.

Looking into the school, just got their catalog today...I need to find a place for the fall.

[Digiegg]

yay! Zergs! haha

Well we got the tickets at expedia.com

For the flight and travel for 3 days and 2 nights was $370.

Should bring like 200 bucks along with ya though for food and buses/van service.

I went there by myself at first. It was pretty easy getting to my motel after I landed at the airport. Just follow the arrows to go to Door to Door Van service. You pay them 14 bucks and some tip and they take you straight to your motel. Transportation is pretty easy once you get a map of all the buses' routes. People are very friendly there so you can just ask people. =) Should visit. It was well worth it for me

[Morganism]

Did you get in trouble for taking pictures in the spring show gallery? I did today. :(
Very good work there. If anyone is around and hasn't seen it yet, tomorrow is the last day.

[Digiegg]

haha you did? I was so busy looking at the arts I really didn't have time to take pics. But wow... so much talent in every category!!! I especially loved the advertising gallery.

=) It was fun!!! I CANT WAIT TILL I GO THERE!!! AHHHHH!!!! ^^

[Rkhon]

For the swarm!!!

Coo thanks for the info! Man I would love to visit...I can visit a couple schools so I can make a decision.

Down to...

Degree Schools:

Academy of Arts in San Fran...Which you fellas seem pretty stoked about, and looks damned good.

DMAC in Boca Raton, FL Focused on what I want to do, but new school, new program...not entirely sure about this one.

Certificate Schools:

Gnomon, yall know about this one... Faculty looks second to none. Really liking the looks of this one.

VFS, again...1 year, and results seem good, dunno about Canada though :P

So many pros and cons...you fellas ever find yourself on a crossroad of undecisiveness due to logical reasoning to the point of overthinking?

[silicate]

I know how you feel I pondered what to do for over 2-3 years. Finaly I was reading this thread and a few others I think I made up my mind on AAU. I hread that Gnomon is good, but mostly for learning the software (just what I heard).

I wish I could go to the spring show, but I am not going to make it :(. I will visit the campus sometime before the fall though.

Nissan, nice pics ;)

[dragonswhip]

Well, as a graduate fo AAC I do think they have some great courses actually thier fine arts dept is great.

When I went at AAC, the school sucked since I was a computer art major. The course kept changing every year so you end up revising your classes you need to take so more money you have to spend. AAC is a bloodsucking school and they specialize in attracting international students.

I had computer arts teacher that didn't know anything about the 3D softwares or MFA graduate students teaching a class.
Sometimes the students knew more about the software than the instructor.

The school has some good courses I would say if you want to go then go.
Some students go just to take the computer classes and devote thier time on thier craft . I would recommend the Figure drawing classes and animation since you want to animate.

If you ever feel you are being taken advantage of and wasting your time then leave the school. Trust your instinct. I know people who left and just worked hard on thier own and got good jobs either in movies or game industry. Remember degrees don't mean crap even if it says your a graduate of AAC.

Actually, they don't even help you out in finding jobs after graduation. Thier job placement is a joke. They email you job postings and you have to compete with other students and other professionals.
Don't depend on AAC in finding you a job. Start looking for yourself.

If you have the desire, talent and willing to overcome any obstacles you will succeed. Also, be open to other jobs as animator. Game studios are more stable for animators. Movies are good for experience but usually let you go after a project.

If you're a good animator you can do both movies and games.
Usually people switch back and forth.
I know people who used to work for Lucas Arts then left for Tippet.

Remember SF area is expensive place to live. Lots of competition for the same jobs.

Start looking for internships as early as possible. Get a listing of game and movie companies in the area. Just call and ask if they offer internship.

EA (Electronic Arts in Redwood City) has internships for the summer for modelers and animators.
So go to thier website and sign on to recieve information under careers.

Also, I believe AAC has student projects you can be involved so do as much animation you can.
Remember though QUALITY rather than QUANTITY.

If you're lucky try to own your own machine at home. Much easier since you have to compete for computer lab times
especially during midterms.

Finally, do it for the love, creativity
and fulllfillment because sometimes you might not get the salary you expected, or get laid off. If you will live and work in bay area you will experience a lay off sooner or later.

Remember work on your craft. If you're putting 100% on an animation there is someone else in your class who is giving 110%.

Always go the extra mile.

Yes, the AAC dorms suck. Waste of money better find one on your own.
Go here for SF info.
www.craigslist.com