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JWRodegher
08-09-2010, 12:24 AM
Hi, I finally got the courage to post something here and see what happens. I'm not exactly new at drawing but haven't been doing it in a long time. Recently I started again and trying to get something good out of my wacom too! I did this one originally in paper and then corrected a bunch of stuff redrawing in photoshop.

I'm not sure what to do with the background yet, I can't imagine this woman in another place that doesn't have water meeting the sky far away with the sun falling, and she is supposed to be receiving it in her face enjoying the last minutes of warm light. But I'm more than open to suggestions.

So here it goes!

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/jwr/pshop01.jpg

Kanga
08-09-2010, 02:11 PM
Hi LikuidSnake.
Pretty nice drawing you have there.
Would be kind of hard to make something eye catching with a lass and a sunset because its been done often. The line work itself is looking more Alphonse Mucha than Norman Rockwell and a 2d graphic style might suit the setup better. Perhaps you could turn the face a wee bit our way to show a little of the other eye as profiles and straight on shots are wicked difficult. Also treating the hair as groups instead of lines would give it more volume I think.

Keep on drawing!
Cheers

JWRodegher
08-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Hi Kanga! Thanks for the comments man.
Ive been considering for the background she could be in some sort of brige, with a little lake under it and some japanese arquitecture at the bottom of it, you know, straight lines and simplicity not to steal much attention from the lady (plus some stability as well).

Agreed on the style, maybe the 2d look will fit better and also on the face. Will keep it in mind as soon as I get back to her (I might sketch the backgroud first though). Either style I choose going with will be a learning experience since I havent painted much on photoshop.

Thanks for the suggestions, they help a lot!

stuh505
08-10-2010, 02:13 AM
I'm not sure what to do with the background yet, I can't imagine this woman in another place that doesn't have water meeting the sky far away with the sun falling, and she is supposed to be receiving it in her face enjoying the last minutes of warm light. But I'm more than open to suggestions.

To me it looks like she is sitting on a rock, leaning over a pool of water looking at her reflection. That would create an interesting background. I think you have good linework but this piece will look much better as a full 2D painting in color. You should give it a shot.

JWRodegher
08-10-2010, 02:50 AM
I finished detailing her cloth (the "skirt" more precisely)

Tough choice! 2d look or full painting. I didn't understand very well how the rock and the reflection would work in this perspective. Can you elaborate? (it could actually be a really good idea).

I've seen pictures of a garden japanese around my neighborhood and though those are great places with some nice architecture and nature alike. I loved those little curved bridges and so I made a quick sketch for the background, taking heavy references from some pics.

So here it goes, keep in mind colors are there to understand some shapes, they nothing to do with future color scheme at this stage! Thanks for the suggestion stuh!

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/jwr/pshop02.jpg

stuh505
08-10-2010, 03:56 PM
I didn't understand very well how the rock and the reflection would work in this perspective. Can you elaborate? (it could actually be a really good idea).

Ok, I'm on my netbook without a mouse or wacom but I tried to give you a very rough idea of what I mean in terms of composition with this,

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5269/reflectiond.jpg

JWRodegher
08-10-2010, 04:04 PM
Lol! How the heck did you do that without a mouse??

Im still unsure as how would work the perspective for this to happen.

stuh505
08-10-2010, 04:17 PM
Lol! How the heck did you do that without a mouse??
Im still unsure as how would work the perspective for this to happen.

With the finger-pad thingy...but in terms of perspective, you can imagine that the horizon line is perfectly horizontal and slightly above where the water's edge meets the tree/mountain line, with a single vanishing point in the center. Vertical lines can remain vertical and parallel.

I think that this works better than tilting the whole perspective as you have done because the girl is already tilted. The tilted ground plane idea tends to look better when the subject is righted. Also the pool and reflection balances the image, and water is a beautiful thing to draw which can add a lot of pop to the piece.

JWRodegher
08-10-2010, 04:34 PM
I see. I believe that if she was actually tilting maybe her pose would look a bit weird. I liked the idea of having a tilted shot instead of her leaning over the water.

Never the less, Ill keep your idea in my bag of "alternatives" if I cant make my vision work, as I think its a pretty good one(I mean yours)!

I really appreciate a lot your comments and the feedback for my questions. Thank you very much.

mediaramas
08-11-2010, 04:16 AM
I love this drawing likuidsnake, she has a lot of emotion on her face, and I love the details and wrinkles on her clothes.

If you are still looking for a background idea, then I would suggest a top view of a railroad where she is tied up facing the inevitable train coming towards her, she has that resigned look expression though

JWRodegher
08-11-2010, 08:27 PM
Hahaha! Thanks for the comments! But the train thing...I don't think that's gonna happen.

mediaramas
08-12-2010, 12:31 AM
maybe that was a little rough, but please don't go for a cheesy sunset my friend!

JWRodegher
08-12-2010, 12:50 AM
I'm trying to balance a bit the composition and this came up.

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/jwr/options02.jpg

The ending of the bridge with little to no air in the corner was bothering me.

Mediaramas, I'm thinking in an urban background too. Also adding some elements that can tel something else, like say, she's caching up her breath and somewhere in her side there's a bicycle. It's setting up a situation more than telling a story. Or something along those lines maybe.

The sunset and dawn are pretty much the most peaceful lights in the day, which is the tone I'm trying to achieve. Hopefully I'll come up with something so it won't look too cheesy.

Thanks.

JWRodegher
08-20-2010, 03:11 AM
Trying some other options, using shortcuts with some models I have.

http://cablemodem.fibertel.com.ar/jwr/options03.jpg

RicardoM
08-20-2010, 09:32 AM
As I see the womans action, it screams for something dynamic. I can imagine her leaning out a bit of a cabriolet or she can be on top of an open tourist bus as she enjoying her holiday in Rome or in other cities. She could be on a Merry-Go-Round in a theme park or in a little playground.
But it could be some dramatic scenery too, like leaning out from a high balcony. Some peoples down on the street looking up shockingly others smile, because even tho for some peoples it looks like she want to do something crazy, you could put in something in the composition that when the watcher finds it, he will understand that in reality she enjoys something. It could be the sunshine, or the fresh bread smell from the bakery, down the street, ready for delivery.
I think you should do some thumbs or sketches for the background, without color. And after you quickly go through the more common ideas, you will probably get a new, interesting one.

JWRodegher
08-20-2010, 07:26 PM
Thanks a lot Ricardo for your comments/suggestions. I think Ill keep looking for options, even if this one doesnt look bad for me (its supposed to have some sillouetes of people running from the rain that would add some motion to the composition).

Thank you.

JWRodegher
12-23-2010, 02:42 AM
Ok Im back on this one. I changed it quite a bit.

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9200/girlinthewind12asmall.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/girlinthewind12asmall.jpg/)

stuh505
12-23-2010, 04:28 AM
I think the new background is much more fitting than any of the previous ones you've tried you. You should stick with it! There are just a few compositional elements however which I think will help a lot. First, I think that you need to show some more of her legs. Second, I feel like the image needs to be widened and balanced out to the left. This balancing can come from shifting the boat and then adding some rocky crags on the shore. And finally, why not add some hint of sun? Something like this (but not so messy :P),

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4512/boardwalk.gif

JWRodegher
12-23-2010, 11:53 AM
Thank you very much Stuh, the composition suggestion about the rocks is great. About the background I agree, Im sticking with it. And the hint of the sun is a good idea too, although I kind of liked the colors I picked for the sky. It is sort of relaxing which is what I was trying to achieve. But a hint of the sun would definitely help. About the legs, the skirt is one of those that will cover them all the way to the ankles, but I guess I can show more of it and lift her up a bit for composition sake (and also add the place where she is kinda sitting).

Thanks a lot.

JWRodegher
03-01-2011, 03:08 AM
I have taken some of your comments stuh, and I like where it is going.

I'm keeping the colors of the background by now and I worked a bit on the hair too.
Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind14.jpg

Thanks for the very usefull feedback I got so far.

mediaramas
03-01-2011, 06:19 AM
very cool mate!

keep up the good work brotha

monoculusrex
03-01-2011, 02:21 PM
Hey, love the line work and the expression of her face. One thing that jumps out at me is that the boat is falling in a hotspot of interest, so if you leave it there, how does it relate to her story? Right now it is carrying much of the weight of the piece, which is fine if it relates back to your girl's story, but if we are to be concerned with the girl primarily then perhaps you could move it a bit? I think your other changes are great, including more of the girl works. You could also tweak her position a bit to draw more attention to her.

JWRodegher
03-01-2011, 06:06 PM
media: thanks pal.

monoculusrex: agreed on the composition spot and I might tweak her pose a bit.

I think the boat could have less weight hidding it a bit with depth, or lack of detail, making it a bit smaller or even moving it a bit. Ill see what looks best!

Thanks for the crits.

monoculusrex
03-01-2011, 06:39 PM
I look forward to seeing where you go from here!

JWRodegher
03-02-2011, 01:26 AM
Just made some tweaking, mostly background color and boat size and position.

http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind15.jpg

monoculusrex
03-02-2011, 03:24 PM
That helped. I think you should elaborate on the girl a bit more. It will be interesting to see how adding color to will change things.

JWRodegher
03-03-2011, 12:35 PM
Im gonna start to work on her, finish the skirt first and then start with colors and light.

JWRodegher
03-09-2011, 03:56 AM
Small update: worked on the skirt and put some base colors:

http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind16.jpg

stuh505
03-09-2011, 04:30 AM
Dude, you've been working on this sketch for nearly 7 months now, and I barely see any progress. No offense but if I were to just look at this most recent image with no prior knowledge, I would guess that you've put only a few hours work into it. It's none of my business but why don't you just sit down and finish it, or let it die!

JWRodegher
03-09-2011, 11:03 AM
Unfortunately, it has only a few hours on it...I put as much time as I can, which is close to nothing for such a long time now. I won't let it die though, wish I had a lot more time for it, but that's just the way it is.

I think it got better since the beginning, with help from the forums (specially yours) and to me, it is still worthy. I'll try not to post everything I change though.

JWRodegher
03-10-2011, 12:44 AM
Update: color and light on her. Need to search some cool suns to make a better one.
http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind17.jpg

JWRodegher
03-10-2011, 02:22 AM
Here's a version with no lines, I think if I detail the color enough, I could remove it.

http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind17_noLine.jpg

stuh505
03-10-2011, 05:09 AM
She looks a lot better now that you have started to work on the colors!

JWRodegher
04-07-2011, 04:44 AM
I think I'm done with the clothing for a good while. I'm going to focus on skin from now on.

I've done quite a bit of detailing on the cloth, finally I got the time to finish that. I'm moving on now.

http://www.tmk3d.com/girlInTheWind18.jpg

Oh sorry I didn't reply before stuh, I appreciate your comments!

CKPinson
04-07-2011, 03:34 PM
The one where you can see her eye is the best thus far.

JWRodegher
04-07-2011, 06:46 PM
Yes! The eyes are coming back when I get to finish the face! :D

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