character: japanese girl

[DogmaD]

I think there isn't much to improve on your character. The first time i looked at it, i thought, thats one perfect little japanese girl. :)

After looking more closely, i could find only 4 things that you might be able to improve.

1. I think the outer point of the eyebrow is a bit to pronounced, maybe you could move these point inwards a little ??

2. She has a bit of a conehead in the side view. Maybe move down the back of the head a little bit? I don't think its a real problem, but you might want to try it.

3. The neck looks a little undefined compared to the face, maybe add some more detail to it?

4. There is a small mistake under the earlobe. Some sort of outdent, is it possible to make that smaller.

Now these are some really small critiques and might not make that big of a difference to the model, but those are the only things i could give you comment on. Great model, it has style and personality !

[ukyo]

hey this is looking pretty nice, its a good start. i really like her lips and nose. i think her eyes need some more work.

i believe there is too much space between the eyes it should be an eyes space between the eyes and the bas of the nose should be an eye space wide. the inner corner of the eyes should line up with the outer part of the noses base.

Also i think her upper eye lid might be to thin or its to hard of an edge maybe add in a few edges to soften it a little, almost like it needs a little fat.

from the sode shot her head is looking a little egg shaped, almost as if the back area of her head is gong up at a sligh incline. and it feels like her ear is a little to far back but that may just be personal prefrence.

none the less its a great start

[pusher]

DogmaD: sorry i should have mentioned that the neck is yet to be properly tweak. Head shape, eyebrow, earlobe, will be adjusted in the next update. Thanks for the comment

ukyo: you are correct about the eye position, will do this in the next update. Not quite sure about the eyelid though, wouldn't adding more edges only will make it harder?

[ukyo]

not nesaceraly, if u add another row and pull them out slighty to round it it should be ok, also now that i look at it again she has more eyelid than asians usaully have its too deep i think. ofcourse not all eyes are the same but either way i think her eye goes to far back into the eyesocket. id bring it out a little. that may even fix the eyelid issue and u would have to add eny more edges

[pusher]

>>>but either way i think her eye goes to far back into the eyesocket. id bring it out a little.

Will try this, good suggestion ukyo!

I will post the updated version tommorrow, for now keep the critiques coming.

[ukyo]

sorry i didnt mean her eye i meant the recese of her upper eyelid. a apologze for the mistake.:thumbsup:

[pusher]

okyo: heh wierd now you mentioned it, i realised i was mixed up with your previous suggestion of bringing the eye closer together. My thought was if I move the eye along the x axis, the eye's new position in relation to the overall head would be too deep, therefore need to be brought out :p

[Modron]

If anything, I would add more fullness to the forehead in profile view.

[s2a-adamk]

Where are your reference pics?
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=japanese+girl&btnG=Google+Search

That nose is way to European.

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[pusher]

Changes:
-fix the "cone head" problem
-eye closer together (more or less an eyewidth distant)
-fix the earlobe
-add eyelashes (test)

Todo:
-Soften the eyelid

Modron: not quite sure what you mean, wider forhead or more protrude/foward?

meanadam: too pointy?? i'll round it a bit later. My reference http://www.beans-magic.com/gallery-data2/mamegal_jp02a.jpg

http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/a2.jpg

[ukyo]

muuuch better, i would try going extrem with it maybe even a little closer to just see the dif. and the comment about the nose is true its a very european nose. but man the closer eyes really help out a lot. i think they could still go a little closer together

but now dont forget to compensate by pulling in the sides of the head now also.

man i tell you what i reallllly like her lips they look very nice very soft.

whats the end goal of this by the way?

[mwkmn]

Whoa, not only she looks like complete east asian, she really looks Japanese :)
The only thing that looks odd is the outer parts of the eyebrow areas, I think they are too pointy. Maybe it'd look different with the texture on, I'm not sure.
Can't wait till you plant some nice hair onto her ;)
Keep it coming!

[pusher]

update:
-softened the eyelid
-made the nose wider and less pointy
-raised the forehead
-less pointy eyebrow

ukyo: i did try bring eye more closer, ie exactly 1 eye width but the result wasn's so good, i got crossing eyes and the japanese look was totaly gone.
The model was actually a remake of an old OLD model of mine, the intention firstly was only to improve it but somehow i ended up remodelling the whole thing. The goal is to get the whole thing built and actually FINISH it ;)

mwkmn: if she looks japanese to you, that will be the greatest compliment. Thank you.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/p3.jpg

[kotter]

wow.. I just want to follow the progress, but to say some thing maybe the neck is a bit long.

[pusher]

not much update today, i just raised the eyebrow a little higher and tweaked the chin a bit.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/p4.jpg

[Tiburon3D]

I love your model.

Any chance you could post a wireframe? Also, I too really like the way you did the eyes. How'd you do it?

Tiburon3D

[Keiyentai]

Wow cant think of anything to crit about besides Skin and hair



Ummmm anyone else notice after the maintnace the smileys are gone.....from the Reply menu?

[ukyo]

looks good man, any thing i would point out i think would be just nit picky of me, cant wait to see shorty testured now

[kiri]

yeah i also really like the eyes you have done.


as for looking japanese, can i ask about what age you are going for?

i might say the nose is slightly sharp for a japanese person.
(perhaps a little flatter would be more japanese)

but having said that, i think it adds a lot more character if you have a feature or two which are 'non-standard'

[Goon]

first off, that is a really great looking model. fantasticaly soft.

my one nitpic: isnt one of the defining characteristics of the asian race the flap of skin which covers the tearduct?

e.g. HERE (http://www.student.virginia.edu/~asian/gallery/jane.jpg)

[mwkmn]

Originally posted by Goon
first off, that is a really great looking model. fantasticaly soft.

my one nitpic: isnt one of the defining characteristics of the asian race the flap of skin which covers the tearduct?

e.g. HERE (http://www.student.virginia.edu/~asian/gallery/jane.jpg)
Well, it kinda depends on 'where' on asia one is from. Chinese, Korean and Japanese look different from Filipinos, Malaysians, etc.
The girl in the picture seems to be from southern asia...

[Marcel]

The characteristic of asian eyes is that they miss the line on the upper eyelid. The upper eyelid is almost completely flat.

http://members.rott.chello.nl/mvijfwinkel/asian_eyes.jpg
(Aaahhhh, aren't they lovely? Funny what Google can come up with!)

The area in front of the ear looks a bit inflated. There is a bone that goes from the eyesocket to the ear area, here is an image:

http://www.usc.edu/isd/locations/science/hancock/nathist/huxley1.gif

Other than that it is a fantastic model, please keep posting more! :)

[MarvWiersch]

It looks good so far. I'll have to agree with some of the prior comments (Eyes, Lids and Nose). But also Asians have a flatter profile and the nose isn't as pointy that's a stylist trait it has more of a rounded tip. As for the forehead area, they tend to round off quite a bit more. It's as if she is mix Caucasian/Asian. Oh, and also High cheek bones.

[pusher]

Sorry for not updating the thread, well finally its weekend!, time for some update.

ukyo: thanks mate

kiri: i am aiming early 20s for the age or probably late teens, you know that asian do look younger for their age :). Check out the nose in this update, i widened and rounded the nose a little bit more.

Goon & Marcel : that is indeed true but i don't want to go that far (too typical), my initial purpose was to get the model to have a hint of japanese but not too japanese if you know what i mean.. Furthermore most of my reference image do have eyelid, so i guess the eyelid is here to stay ;)

Marcell: The area in front of the ear looks a bit inflated. There is a bone that goes from the eyesocket to the ear area... . Check this update, see if i need to flattened it a bit more...

Nerf: i will update the forehead later, please have a look a the new nose in this update.


update:
-more "round/wide" nose
-tweak the temple abit
-flattened the area in front of the ear

http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/p5.jpg

I'm working on various part of the body at the moment, they are still in early state (still working on the proportions) and there are many mistakes i can spot, so critiques are not necassary at present and Sorry for the crappy compression!

body
http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/body.gif

hand
http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/hand.gif

teeth
http://home.iprimus.com.au/yongkylim/teeth.jpg


thanks for the comments ppl, keep them coming.

Cheers

[eYadNesS]

I like her head very much, nice work...
You should look more for her body, use many reference for this.

EDIT: Her face is so soft, that you should make her body more soft and femaley!

[isnowboard]

Originally posted by Marcel
The characteristic of asian eyes is that they miss the line on the upper eyelid. The upper eyelid is almost completely flat.


Actually in Japan, there are two general variations for people, a single eyelid as described above, but also a double eyelid.

Looks like the tear duct area is a little big on her left eye. In addition, it looks like the neck is a little long on your picture with the body. The rest of the face looks really nice, especiall the nose and the lips.

[karabo]

I don't think that the body does the head justice. I think the body should be more feminine and curvy and sexier than what you have there but that's just my opinion.

[tinitus]

nice head!!!

[voodoochile]

Really good model, the nose and mouth are cool.
I do think the eyes are too european though, maybe too large to the rest of the features (?)

[hpslashluvr]

actually, compared to a lot of diff asian cultures, japanese eyes can be quite large

i will take down this pic if you want, pusher, i was just making a statement :)

[Totyo]

hpslashluvr : huh, Ayumi Hamasaki, thegirl you put in attachment is not representative to all the japanese girls ;)
If you need some japanese references, some on my forum : http://www.amapi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15112#15112

(take care some breasts are visible...=)

[hpslashluvr]

yes, i know, but some members are sort of giving off the gist that it's not possible for the eyes to be that big, so i just gave an example

[Jinian]

There's nothing really wrong with your model and it looks great, however it just doesn't seem to fit as a pure japanese face at all. Right now she looks somewhere between asian and caucasian/mixed race features. I would widen up the nose and flatten it more. Her cheekbones are too prominent and too high, usually it is a bit lower, or for Koreans it is more wide and apart from the rest of the features of the face. Soften and puffen up her cheeks more will give it a lot more of that japanese look. As for the side view, her jaw line is way too prominet for a japanese, soften that up with her cheeks as well. The bridge of her nose is too sharp and the nose too pointy, soften that up too and there shouldn't be much of a distance at all between the end of her nose and the lips in profile, her chin shouldn't just go straight down, it should slant/tip back a bit. Her headshape is too long like a caucasian, flatten it by increasing the width of her face in profile. And lastly is the eyes, japanese people have more of a teardrop shaped eye, there shouldn't be much of a tearduct at all and especially that double lid, get rid of it or hide it more to contour the shape of her eye. Basically, give her eyes more of a slant:)
I really like the ear and the forehead/brow area seems to work as an asian feature .

[Jim]

I think actually that the model is fine. I disagree with the eye/nose comments, there are Japanese people who look like that. When I saw your model, I thought she looked Japanese. The eyefold line is definitely not universal, but it is not unheard of in Japanese people. I also keep in mind that Japanese people are the result of the mixing of people on the Asian mainland and the native people of the Japanese islands (such as the Ainu). I don't think the model absolutely must be part Caucasian. Again, there are people who are "pure" Japanese who look like that. There is definitely a spectrum when you talk about what Asian people look like, just like there is a spectrum when you talk about any other kind of people.

That said, I think the eye level is a little too high and that the ears are slightly too long, and that the brow needs to come forward slightly.

[Jinian]

I agree with you Jim, but I'm only trying to give advice that will make the model recognizably japanese. Something more of the typical female japanese look. But yes, there are a pure few who actually look more than the usual.

[yoondawg]

I'm not sure if you're going for realism or an anime look. If you're going for realism the eyes are too big for anyone of any race. If it's anime then the stylized eyes are fine. Also the skull looks a bit flat from the side and looks a little small overall but that maybe because the eyes are large. As for the Japanese eyes, there are many people in Japan that have the fold over their eyes, also many asian women, especially Koreans have plastic surgery to have the fold created since it's considered a desirable feature in women. Overall, I'm not quite sold that she is Japanese but it's a nice stylized model.

[Xeroedge]

She had her eyes done.....


actually, compared to a lot of diff asian cultures, japanese eyes can be quite large

i will take down this pic if you want, pusher, i was just making a statement :)

[poly-phobic]

I don't think that the body does the head justice. I think the body should be more feminine and curvy and sexier than what you have there but that's just my opinion.i have to agree to some degree.
spent as much time as you do on the head as the body.
the body's wire is not looking as soft as the head.

[5th_sun]

if u need japanese girl refence pics go to www.absoluteidols.com (http://www.absoluteidols.com)

[tamamo]

GJ. I think that it becomes better when the iris is made dark brown.
keep going:thumbsup:

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