Message about the star ratings

[Iguiniz.X.]

This idea is already mentioned by somebody else ( can't remember who).
The Idea was that the rating system could only be accesed by the modderators. this way there can't a any abuse of the system.
I suport this idea, because who am I to rate other people artwork!
The my personaly Idea is that the moderators can rate the work best at the end of the challenge.

Is this possible within the forum program?

[Nazgul]

I'd take off the rating system completly while the challenge is on. that way, everyone gets a fair cance to be seen. Otherwise people tend to only look at those with stars. And some people have amazing work and/or need advice but don't get any cause nobody look at their artwork.. :shame:

my two cents:D

[leigh]

It's really sad and pathetic that in a forum that is supposed to be professional and informative, we have to resort to having kindergarten-style-scolding posts like this. Unfortunately, due to the extremely childish and malicious behavior of this person/persons, we have to, as this is obviously the only level of communication that these people can understand. :shame:

The least you could do is have the guts to actually explain why you think someone's work is crap.
This entire debacle is completely ludicrous, and unnecessary.

Please people, even if you aren't a professional, at least try and act like one.

[rolhionjs]

I would pay to know who play such a game... Maybe the star rating should be effectively be controled by admins and moderators only.

[Koma]

delete the rating star system,we have a forum and we can say what we think if i view a fantastic work i dont rate him i say it to the guy its the best way ,talk and express your self .who we are to rate art ? art is a way to communicate .


for my self every thread can have 4 star ,because nobody is perfect but everybody make a good job .

[iC4]

I also think it's better without rating, because if a thread has a good rating people only watch this thread, and not the others without 5 stars.......

If someones work is good the people can tell that with an reply, and you will see how many have voted for you in the end of the challenge....

[Sangotten]

I think it is a very dirty thing to do such a thing while in a challenge!!!
In the rest of the forum the voting is okay and not abused (most of the time then!), it is some kind of mark that shows that people really apreciated the thread (or not). But during a challenge it will only make the people with a fast (...and then I mean that there is high amount of work posted...) project populair, someone who is taking it's time is pushed away... and in the worst case being rewarded with his/her effort with 1 or 2 stars!!! That gives you a rotten feeling!!!

So please find a way to stop this cowardly act!

[Howard Day]

It appears that I'm one of those fast people. I hate the idea that I'm taking attention away from other's work. If people want to came and comment, Great! but I'm not going to go around placing 1 star votes on everyone else's threads. That's just plain selfish. How about this: Keep the star rating system (in of itself, its a good thing) but add the ability of letting the thread starter look at each individual vote. That would let him (or her)* know who has voted. That's a really good way to do it.


* Leigh :D

Let me know if this is possible!

[SEL]

Im writing about the topic here. I think the star thing is highly overrated, and in some cases not necessary. Me personally, I would get rid of it, or do something new about it. I use to vote based on skill and eyecandy, but recently read a couple posts where people want others to vote for them as a 1 star, so people can see how bad something ****s, even though it was used as a trick to get people to come in. With that said, all those damn stars are doing is trying to get people to come in. In for most they dont belong, we have the how many posts, as well as views to show which threads are popular and which are not. Just keep those. Ive reverted my voting to either a 5 or a 1 now, I either like it or I dont, as I see many others have as well. its blunt, but if those stars are there to rate, that is how many people are going to rate it. For those who just plainly vote 1 star, I guess they are just making a point to get rid of them. Just my 2 cents

thesel

[Tottebias]

Only allowing moderators to "star-rate" would just be all bad..Better to remove that system once and for all.

[hypercube]

Yeah I read here for quite a while before joining, and I did notice sometimes I was guilty of 'star skimming', ie only reading or starting to read the threads with more stars..but when you go back and look at the ones with less or none, sometimes you wonder what is wrong with people, miss out on awesome stuff that way. So now I just ignore it. It's really too arbitrary or fleeting a thing, except in the cases of the godlike stuff. But like was mentioned, word gets around, a thread with 15,000 views probably has something worth checking out :D Putting it so only mods could rate it would put too much pressure on them also. Better to simply simplify and get rid of it altogether.

Anyway, just my .02. I should get back to work on my own starless entry..but I'm slacking, it's my birthday, I'm allowed :)

[windarr]

I agree, down with the star system. I'm guilty of star skimming too. And it would be better for me to just be done with it. Besides like the others have said rating artwork is mostly arbitrary, and it would be better to put a critique into a response and not a number of stars.

Hey Mods, set up a poll here and elsewhere to see if the stars stay or go. Let the masses speak!

:)

[lildragon]

After much decision, we've decided to let the star rating go... it will be re-enabled again a week prior to voting...

This decision is final..

cheers

[hypronost]

It's true tat people somthimes anly look at the treads with stars. And I have to admid that I somthimes find myself doing the same, and like you mentioned , than finding something rader stupid ith 5 stars, the starsystem should be stoped.:)

[windarr]

Sounds good lildragon. Personally I think you guys could just drop the star rating alltogether, but this should help a lot with the existing problems.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I got a great Idea. ( at least I think I have one)
Why not make a smilie which is in a star shape
/\
_/ \_
\ /
/_ _\
\ /
\/
If someone wants to rate it you can add a post with this smilie.
So if you rhink it is a 3 star you add 3 of them. And you can comment why.
This way you also know who rated you and there won't be any advantage if you have a 5 star because you have to open the threath before you can see what peole think of it.

What do you think of this solution????

[Dragonius]

i'd go for that...

[leigh]

Even that is kinda unneccessary - if you like someone's work, then just say it, say - "I think your work is absolutely excellent". Why should you have stars at all???? :surprised

Words speak louder than smilies.

[Equinoxx]

I agree on this one, why do we need stars, we always try to keep things fair . . . so in order to do so, we don't WANT stars, cause most people only check threads with a star after a while, while other, who are maybe just as good or better don't get ANY attention at all . . .

[Joel Hooks]

it sure does make it a hassle to review posts.

I read a story the other day and they called it the rule of 4.5

Go check it out on amazon. The worlds greatest music and books will hardly ever be 5 stars. There is always going to be somebody that for some reason rate it lower. It's the nature of the 5 star system.

It is also nearly immposible to get a single star rating. for the exact same reasons.

It was nice to have the stars in this massive section of the forum. There is SO much crap/mediocre work posted, it is nice to have a filter.

[Nazgul]

Please be respectful to those who are trying/starting with 3D.

All artwork deserves to be seen, and for sure need to be critisized be it good or bad but always constructive.

out.

[hypronost]

What if, (sorry if this has been said before) we could only see the stars in the tread itself , so we had to open the tread to see the star's .....:) :thumbsup: /:thumbsdow

[leigh]

Lowdown - yes I agree with you in theory. Yet, then again, who are we to judge other people's art?
The thing is, yes, there is a lot of crap that gets posted here, and I also sometimes feel irritated when I've waited for a thread to open and it's been awful. At the same time, sometimes what starts out looking crap, actually turns out to be something really great.
Which is why I personally always wait until right at the end of the challenge before I rate anything (or until there is a lot of work shown and I think it really looks great). Although, having said that, I only give something a rating if I think it is really good - I've never given anyone 1 or 2 stars - I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings, or possibly even cause people to not look at their thread because it has a bad rating. If I think something isn't very good, yet I think the person has potential, then I give good constructive criticism and suggestions. That is what these forums are really for.

The problem is, that a few people abused this over the past weekend, and had a field day going around and giving everyone 1 star. So essentially, that wasn't filtering anything either - as it seemed, at a glance, that all the threads were shite.
Unfortunately, due to these childish acts, we've had to temorarily remove the star rating option.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I've had the same Idea and I must say that it may be the best solution. ( If we wanna keep the star rating system)
So :thumbsup:

[leigh]

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO OBSSESSED WITH STAR RATINGS??!!!!

I really don't see why they are necessary at all!! :surprised

[Joel Hooks]

Personally, I looked at the low rating threads just as much as the high rating ones. I think the only one in the challenge forum I have ever seen below 3 was that fella asking for 1 star. There would be no obsession with stars if maybe people could let us know in the title "Trite/Mediocre" (I try to warn people with my user-title)

As it is now, I don't have the time to look through all the unmarked threads, so I will just continue to admire Howard's and the rest be damned. :)

[leigh]

Well then you didn't see this forum yesterday - everything was rated 1 or 2 stars.
And as far as looking at all the threads goes, I have an incredibly slow connection, and yet I look at ALL the threads... I guess I kinda have to though, being a mod and all... But still, I think everyone deserves equal attention.

[Dragonius]

if the only comment i can make is "GOD DAMN, THAT IS SO GOOD!"
then i feel rating the thread is a better idea...

but it should be internal to the thread, less chance of a snap judgement then.

not that i don't look at all the threads... one star or five... :surprised:

[hypercube]

Well the other thing too is that threads pop to the top when there's activity, so a lot of times even if you missed a thread, someone else will catch it, and then you get a chance, etc. it's been really tough this month (are there over 100 yet?), but even just in general that seems to seperate the 'ooh and ahh' threads because they keep getting posts and float on up. Of course some sink into obscurity that way that may not deserve to, but gotta keep things rolling..when they become new again, people look.

anyway, just my further .02, or $5 with inflation.

[MagnusL3D]

I give this thread 3 stars, rather fun to read but pointless. The people abusing the star system will surley abuse any other system aswell... now why they do this I cant imagen.. lowering others rating and "boosting" your own doesnt make you a better artist even if more people will see that art does it ?

[pearson]

Well, I think that it's just silly to rate a thread near the start of the challenge; its still WIP. And those who start slow and get low ratings may get all 5s at the end but they will get averaged out by all the 1s and 2s from the beginning.

And, as was mentioned in a different thread, the stars have come to be not Quality stars, but Popularity stars; A person puts up a sketch and because of his reputation gets 5 stars right away. There is already a popularity meter for each post and that's number of views/posts.

So I think the mods have done the right thing.

[elfufu]

daaam :annoyed: just when my thread got 5 stars!! they remove the stars!! ahhh ~!!!!!! :thumbsdow :

i felt like the fonz for a week:cool:

[puddlefish]

I agree that we should lose the stars all together.
Maybe come up with some new form of marking that the mods can apply to particularly interesting threads, whether they be WIPs, or just about topics that affect us all.

I've been a victim of star skimming before, someone (I won't mention any names, although I do know who it was) gave me a 1 star vote to take my rating from 5 stars down to four. I don't mind getting criticism, nor do I think that my thread really deserved 5 stars to begin with. But to give a rating of one star and leave a message saying "great work, can't wait to see more!!" is a bit underhanded for my liking.

This forum would do well do discourage elitism of any kind.

[ZrO-1]

About the stars and number of replies/views I had definetly noticed a direct corelation to how many replies were written and the number of stars a thread had. With just this challenge I watched the number and frequency of replies drop as my stars did. I'm glad they are gone for now. I think that putting them back towards the end of the challenge is a great idea also. I don't think having the mod's give the stars is a bad idea either.

Generally what I do is I read any threads that have new replies in them regardless of who posted them.

Well there's my 2 cents.

[psumo]

Please bring back the star system
I dont' have time to look at every single
thread

[lildragon]

no worries, that's why I created the compilation page, once I get it up you can sift thru that easier and have a more visual look at the entries....

I really didn't want to disable the rating system but like always it only takes a few to ruin something good... remember those times in school?

anyhoo

cheers

[Iguiniz.X.]

First I wanted to make my position is the star rating sytem clear.
I am against star rating sytem, because who am I to rate other people work. Like i said in the first post.
Then my idea of a possible solution was a idea that everybody would be happy. If you wanna star rate you do it but with the consequeses that we know who and it is in a post.
I hope it is clear.

Then I have a questio to LILDRAGON or other mod;

I see the star rating system is put back into place but we have the same stars as we had before is was taken away.
Is is possible to delete the earlier votes cos now we stil have the rating of a person who gave everybody 1 star.
Now we still have a sort of hangover from the childish act.
I hope to hear a respond soon.

[psil]

Instead of having a sliding scale, why not have system whereby users can flag a thread as being "OF PARTICULAR INTEREST" or "CHECK THIS OUT!!" ? A one star rating is insulting, somebody's subjective opinion and will inevitably be abused by some childish cretin.

Also - the idea of giving WIPs a star rating seems stupid. They generally get better as they go on (often dramatically better) - that's the whole idea isn't it ?

[lildragon]

The stars can't be reset unfortunately, and psil this is the reason why the ratings will ensue the last week of the challenges, they will be disabled during...

There's nothing more I can do, and Leo the system's administrator is extremely busy with other more important matters, so he can't tend to any new coding for a forum that's working ;)

cheers

[Koma]

hey iam a bit sad to see that star are coming back ,but they are just star ,some fuc...g little white icon ,what that ,i will ignore those little scrap star and if you dont like what i did be honest and tell me .


ho psss lildragon you make a really good job your the one so nothing against you .

[lildragon]

it's cool man, no worries, but like I said they'll only be enabled the final week of the challenges, no big deal really, just have fun guys :)

cheers

[gaggle]

Originally posted by Iguiniz.X.
I am against star rating sytem, because who am I to rate other people work

I've seen several make such a comment.

It's funny, cuz I think I am one to rate other peoples work. I think we all are. If you post something here and ask for comments and such, to me that's a valid passport for "here's what I think"-ville.

..*steps off rant-chair*

And..that's all I wanted to say :)

[BoydLake]

Why not make the identity if the artist anonymous until the votes are in and there's a winner? Then the rating stars could remain active and the work can be left to stand on its own. That's fair at least to me.

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