character : chinese opera performer

[Venge]

I Dig it!!. OMG, this is beautiful. The detail in the folds of the clothing and lay of the other materials are marvelous. I can't wait to see the finished piece. The detail in everything is amazing. I wont be the first to want to see wires. Amazing work. You're an inspiration.:beer:

[zzacmann]

HOLY CRAP!!!

I wet myself a little.

I dont have any crits, just a BIG thumbs up and some questions. Polys or Nurbs? Is Cloth simulated or modeled? Software? Are you a God and if so, are you here to taunt me? How long did that take?:thumbsup: :eek: :buttrock:

[lao]

I think he is a God :eek: Heh... Check out the stuff on his site, incredible modelling you've done kuman :buttrock:

[phgroove]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:surprised :surprised :surprised

My avatar speaks for it

[phgroove]

Sorry but I have to post again, just checked the stuff on his website and...tomorrow morning I'll get my pc, all my cd's and all the money I put in it and trash it into the garbage can, I don't deserve it. :scream:

That'z it!

This is what a piece of software can do in the right hands, so no more "what's the best 3d program on earth"

[borchert]

Nuuuuuhhghhh !
How long did you use on the headpiece ??
the amount of detail is truly wild !! can't wait to this one textured !

[p0lym0rph]

hooo verry great model!!! eek:

[badoli]

Beside the hillarious modelling work i really dig the shaders of the cloth... they really make you feel the material, great job!

[Ganimed]

Beautifull :applause: :applause:

What´s the shader of the clothes?? Cook-Torrance?!

:thumbsup:
regards

Ganimed

[daniella3d]

what software? shader? can we see some wireframe?

[Ganimed]

hmm..!! It could also be a RimLight- or a Valvet-Shader!!

hmm..hmm..very difficult...

[buzzlightyr]

wow:applause: :wavey: :thumbsup:

you seem to have a love for all thing cloth...how did you create you cloths

[DoctorStopMo]

I dig it :). Especially love the way you modeled the cloth. It drapes very realistically. I don't know much about Chinese Opera, so I can't really offer you any advice on the look, but it really looks great.

[TuLe]

Man that's really something...!
Awesome folds skills... You have one render on your web taht is too great. It's the one of a boy holding a ball... What's the poly count on that?

Amazing!

Please provide us with more info. Prog used, shader type and workflow for your modeling technics!!!

Congrats... Will this get pluged???!!!

[kuman]

thanks for all the kind words guys. i'm really glad you guys dig this peice so far. i got a week off comin up and i plan to try to really sink my teeth into getting it upwrapped and at least partially textured. as you can tell i really do love cloth modeling, i dunno, its kinda zen trying to model something that is so chaotic and complicated, yet so orderly and simple.

anyhow as for your questions
i use 3ds max to model and render. i used photoshop to some resizing and a very slight sharpen and finally add text. outside of what you see is what came out of max. as for the cloth, the 4 flags on the back were simulated using stitch, everything else was hand modeled. the rendering was done with max's scanline, for this project i'm really trying to stay away from high end renderers, gi, and what not and try to go back to the roots if you know what i mean.

as for the shader. its just really simple. i meant it only to be a placeholder for now. its just a standard max material with a falloff map in the diffuse channel where i tweaked its output curves to better adjust the creep of the falloff. this does a reasonable job of catching the rim lighting of cloth, however the clothing still looks too velvety when it should be more satin but i'll get to the shaders after i've painted textures.

anyhow thanks again for all the kind words. oh and here's a wire:
http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/operawire_s.jpg

finally if you're really interested in how i modeled the cloth i made a small time lapse vid of myself modeling the sleeves. you can get it here : sleeve modeling time lapse (http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/movie/)

thanks again, will post updates as i get to texturing. take it easy.

-k

[KennyLiu]

Wow, this is awesome!

[buzzlightyr]

think for my next character i will try a lil cloth my self, how long did the sleeve take ¿?

[thjazi]

great modeling !!! :beer:

[orozimbo]

Great work Kuman! I´m very curious about the texturing. I had the velvet impression in yours first image too, and I liked. But I have to agree that silk make much more sense for that character. Congratulations about your skills to make cloth (zen skills), by the way I´d like to make a obvious question: will You animate him??

Inté,
Guilherme Lopes

[kuman]

here's an update with some textures

note many things are not finalized, face texture, shaders, etc.

also the top spheres that are orange are meant to be furry, i'm still considering an approach to that area.

hope you dig it

http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/facetexture05.jpg

-k

[jdsb]

holy @#$$%
._o
nuff said.
this is gonna be insane,i can see it coming...
keep it up dude

[houston3000]

this is absolutley amazing, the textures.... gasp, a wonder to behold

simply amazing

[Windmill]

wow.. im speechless. you are a true master of your craft. love the detail in your modelling, wish i were half as good

[themonke]

that looks absolutely amazing...

now that i've said that, the face looks too leathery

perhaps a smaller bumpmap will do?

[MDB101]

hey I dig this model! very impressive, this looks like it was done in 3d max :) which is good to hear :) we need more maxers! :) keep it up man :) very good works!

[Annuostivix]

max at its best if you ask me, you should be proud. Your texturing is turning out good but I agree that the bump is a bit too much. But not toooo much. Great job so far, I'm looking forward to seeing this getting plugged. It's very professonal.

[Adainiel]

i am absolutely in awe. Seeing your first render i was already aware of the different material textures. Truly amazing and outstanding work. I look forward to the finish product!

One little thing that stands out to me though is the fact that his face is catching so much light compaired to the headdress. Lil shiny nose but not much shine to the more metalic parts.

All the same it's a gorgeous piece and i can't wait to see it completed. Great job!

~Ada

[Duecenage]

DUUUUUUUUDE!! that was dice... I watched your time lapse for the sleeve.. amazing.. if i could pull it off have as decently as you... well, i wouldn't be wasting my money on school.. lol..

keep it up.. lets see this one done.. I await completion..

[buzzlightyr]

man oh man oh man..........sweeeeeeta

[AstroSanchezz]

that's some good stuff
nice textures :)

[Jedi_Sav]

Good Gravy!

that facial texture is fricking amazing! I also love the Dragons on the Head dress thingy.

Keep the updates coming

[Quester99]

This looks awesome ! Especially the clothes: they look so real! Keep updating!

[JetStrike]

I CANT WAIT to see the finished piece. This one is one of the best! Wow!

[Atwooki]

If I'd dare to crit at all, I'd suggest that the performer's upper eyelids look to me to be a little too deep-sunk (between the eyelid and the brow) for a chinese man, but otherwise fantastic work...... well done!

Atwooki

[Unraveled]

This is beautiful work. I don't usually fanboy, but this deserves some praise.

[Wiro]

What a fantastic model! And I'll have to chime in with the rest in saying the cloth looks amazing. Thanks for sharing the modelling video. It's interesting how you use Extrude Edge to add folds.
I totally aggree with you, modelling folds is very relaxing, lol!

I was wondering if you were thinking of posing this character. The way you model the folds looks great now but when reposed they will be all wrong, not? This made me wonder if it wouldn't have been better to pose first before modelling the folds.

Wiro

[kuman]

thanks everyone for your kind words

i'll definitely look into your suggestions on reducing the bump and checkin out the eyelids again, though i think tweaking the geometry will have to wait till i'm finished with textures. also the facial texture is really not final. i know its too symetrical, not smudgy enough for face paint and i mean to build far more complex shaders as the yellow areas on the face paint are placeholding for gold paint.

--->wiro - wow thanks for replying to my shizzle. i really hate saying something like this, but it you're one of the guys who really inspire me with your artwork. i'm really honored that you like this model man.

anyhow as for what you mentioned, definitely the static modelled cloth wont be able to flow perfectly after i rig and pose. however i really tried to design it such that it would be reasonable looking as long as i satisfied a few things such as keeping the arms below the shoulder and in a fairly relaxed position. i did some quick prelim tests with rigging and found that it looked reasonable for most poses where the arms weren't raised too high. we'll see what i happens i guess.

- thanks again for your kind words guys. i'll post more updates as i crank em out. take care.

-k

[MRAY]

WOW!!!

Could we a get a close up wire from the chest up?

Thanks and good job!!

[MikaelPersson]

This is truly amazing stuff. A long time since I saw cloth so nicely done, the velvet feel to that original grey render is so good.

I like the fact that your face texture looks so much like paint. And the details around the face! With that eye your model looks more like a wooden sculpture than a living human, is that intended? I'm sorry if I am critisising WIP textures/models.

cheers,
Mikael

[popnGEAR]

Well I'll just add to the plethora of praisers you have already received. Unbelievable work, amazing cloth, etc. etc. etc. :o :o :o

[Wiro]

I think the inspiration goes both ways then =)

Yea I think the cloth will work well in not too extreme poses and you can always go over and clean up afterwards. I'm really looking forward to the result!

Wiro

[ceql]

mmm as echoed by everyone else, Whoa, that's some amazing modelling, I've never seen cloth modelled like that before! (Sorry, I know this is the WIP forum and we should try and give crits, but wooo I can't resist, I keep comming back to this thread to stare at it! The video is highly appreciated too, very interesting.) I've been thinking of starting a project wth elaborately modelled cloth too, and this is incredibliy inspiring and motivating, hats off to you sir! Awesome Work! :D

[AndyH]

Faultless!
Cant find anything that needs improving at all......
Love the way the geometry flows around the cloth on the arms.
Just get crackin' on the texturing! - its looking mighty fiiine so far.
Unusual bind pose though......

[kuman]

here's an update:

this project is killin me ;)
the cloth textures for the shirt isn't entirely done
and lookin at it, i need to rework the face shader....again....ugh

http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/texture1.jpg

thanks for all the c and c. hope you dig the update.

-k

[elvis75k]

A P P L A U S E

[Lars]

I'm speechless. Great modeling !

No crits from me

[Incitatus]

Like I've told you before Kuman, when this is finished it's going to be something VERY special.

Love the silk shader

[drewantarctic]

how many hours have you spent on this so far? are you planning on animating?

[DoctorStopMo]

Amazing detail! Keep up the great work!

[jdsb]

holy @#$# is the word i am looking for,i will collect my jaw when you are done modeling this,
kthxbye
keep it up dude!!!!!

[juliannab]

This is a truly beautiful piece of work, and as a very new kid......I am humbled. Thank You!

[JetStrike]

one thing to say... BEAUTIFUL!

[lulaassassina]

I will not do cg anymore... (kiddin')

INCREDIBLE!
Take me in your hands, master!

[kr3ml]

you're some kind of modeling king ?

[pigwater]

there are some lines in the shirt .. almost like weave lines, but they are horizontal and vertical .. is this intended?? .. or is this a weave bump test ??

other than that .. top notch ....excellent proof that cg is way cooler than smoking crack

[Salaadin]

love the details ..

[jud]

wwhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa tttthhheeeeeeeee ff*********k.

jud

[oxhido]

awesome

beautiful

ivan.oxhido

[Technofreak]

his left chest plate seems not to be casting shadow properly
as the one on his right does, or maybe its a texture thing, not sure

pretty slick :)

[carbon8]

Absofreakinlutely incredible!
Now I have to smash my laptop. This is unreal.

[Garma]

hm, never seen a wip plugged before :D you must've done something right :) lol just kiddin man this is amazing. The clothes are my favourites

[leigh]

This is a fantastic model, absolutely brilliant work, Kuman.

My only crit is that some of the shading could do with some minor tweaking - especially the face paint, which look just a little too smooth right now. The clothes fabric looks awesome though!

And your modelling is simply superb! Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, I'm sure it's going to be fabulous!

Keep up the amazing work!

[carbon8]

Leigh,

I was curious what your reaction would be! You're still the queen!

[dmcgrath]

When this is fininshed, I hope two things for you:

1) You get a job because of this.


2) You end up on the cover of Expose 2.

I think if you keep at the quality you are now, both shouldn't be a problem.

[kuman]

wow thanks guys for showing me so much love.

i hear all you guys on the suggestions and i totally agree. the lighting i haven't really gotten too past this simple modeling/texturing illumination and the face shader is really not where i want it to be.

will post updates as get more done.

thanks again for all the suggestions and comments.

have a good one
-k

[woodhurst]

amazing.......im speechless, i could stare at this for hours.

[richd]

we should be thanking you, not you us. but anyway, this is a vivid piece the colors for this character are great and the texture details are wonderful. if i had to crit it'd be the orange balls on top of the head, i detract from the rest but no biggie.

sweet job again, How'd you texture this? photoshop? deep paint? other?

[Smoke_DT]

Wow fantastic modelling. U modelled the clothes perfectly.
Great job!

Ps. : It would be difficult to animate it :D

[Blackhorse]

Hi, Mr. Gu. your work's so wonderful and full of Chinese culture. I could feel it coz' I'm from China too.
here comes my critz:
1.the performer's facial make-up seems ok, but the highlight and the saturation is too much as if that's made of metal powder. So just take a little bit lower value on the highlight and the area.
see the refs:
http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp12.jpg

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp15.jpg

2.the character's lips are not natural, especially on the corner of the lips, just push the vertexes in.
3.the forehead is not good enough which it seems too plane.
4.I think you could add the beard on the guy.LOL!
well, those are my opinions. I hope that it could help you.

you really did a good job, and just keep going on!

[Blackhorse]

and here comes more characters for you to referrence.LOL!

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp09.jpg

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp07.jpg

[Blackhorse]

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp02.jpg

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp01.jpg

http://card.7758.com/whys/whys16/lp04.jpg

this guy is the most funny one in the opera!see?

[Hydra]

I guess I'll get myself in the line

AWSOME! that is some neat stuff.
I have only one little crit, its way too late for this one but I see it so often I have to remind the 'pro's about it:

the face is too perfect, almost toy-like perfect. to ovoid the tinyest bit of cg-look you should displace the face (and body!, which you have done already) a wee bit, if you look at anyones face and um... delete half of it, clone the remaining half and flip it (I think I've been using ps to much :D ) you will see a completely different person. thats because the eyes/ears/chin are almost always displaced and actually differ if you look hard enough(or compare them). yeah, thats it, other than that - THUMBSUP!

[Akildee]

I usually don't post on threads this long where everyone is giving acolades but man you really deserve it. Amazing job all around. I have one question that I hope you could answer.

On the gown and the hat, did you paint those textures from scratch or did you take pictures of some asian fabric of some kind?

Akil

[kuman]

thank you guys so much again
i really feel re energized to keep pushing on with this wip

once again i hear all your suggestions

blackhorse - thanks so much for those reference pics. they are much better than the once i had. i do plan on almost completely revamping the face in terms of shader and maybe texture. those pics will really help me out.

also i totally know the face is too mirrored right now. i was planning on doing some more distortion after the texturing was done as well as adding more cloth geometry like strips of cloth flowing from the head dress and clothing.

i know i have to fix those orange balls, gotta make them furry and i do wanna do a beard too, i'm workin on a hair solution. gotta think about that one some more.

oh yeah and everything is hand painted in ps with the exception of two textures, the slight bump on the cloth, just a grayscale photo of cloth, and the photo of a cottage i used for his eye's reflectivity. both of those came from 3dtotal texture cd's.

once again thanks so much guys, you do me too much honor.

-k

[dickma]

face painting is almost perfect but I cannot see the traces of the eyebrow under the paint.

good work.

[hackie]

i like the texture!!!
especially the texture on his cloth is well expressed.
it totally reminds me of shiny-silk costume that chinese opera singers are wearing!!!
good job!!

ji.

[facial]

What a brilliant work here. LOL
I love to see works like this kind of tast which combine more some culture background into. i wonder if you are a person who aith Chinese culture background? Are u thinking about to create a animation clip or shortfilm with this kind of style? sorry about i didn't see each replay in your thread. Here is so many pages here, LOL.
anyway, i think you did really nice job. This kind of idea is unique So many Chinese person who has the CG experience in Asia, but i am not sure they can create so nice model with so unique idea like you did. :)
Keep tasting more! Hope to see your more work, Cheers !

[oxyg3n]

This is really beatiful work.

[kuman]

here's an update

mostly just more texture stuff for the rest of the body
i know the face isn't where it ought to be, i will work on that part after i finish texturing the rest of him. need a break from it

i'm having some real bad problems rendering - i need to reboot now everytime i do a render with the entire character or else i run out of ram...ugh.

anyhow thanks for all the support, comments and crits. hope you dig this update.

-k

http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/texture2.jpg

[oxyg3n]

Wow, I cant believe all the detail that you have in the textures. How did you create them? Did you paint them or actually scan in the patterns off of fabric?

[WhiteRabbitObj]

So beautiful! Have you tried deleting construction history on everything to try to help solve your RAM problem? I keep running out of RAM on my current scene because it's trying to keep reduce/smooth/etc functions in memory on 150k face objects! Not cool. So maybe you've got quite a construction history built up on that. Hopefully it's as simple as that so you don't have to keep restarting :) The character is just awesome.

Are you going to animate it or bind and pose it or is this the pose? It's kind of an odd pose for binding so I was just wonderin.

[kuman]

oxygen - thanks bro - i painted all those decorations. but i cheated. i painted a hi res version and then copied and pasted a lot in photoshop in my uv layout. however the source i did paint myself. its really quite simple really, its all just black and white masks that i use to separate the two shaders, the blue of the cloth and the gold of decorations. most of the cloth is a composite shader of the blue and the gold separated by black and white masks i painted. thanks for your kind words again.

white rabbit - i use max, i'm not sure how to clear the construction history. can you help me by telling me? anyhow i was on the discreet web boards and reading a bit. i found a few good tips to clear things up a bit. however i fear that no matter what it'll be always scraping by to get this render. as for rigging absolutely i plan to rig and pose as well as do some more interesting facial expressions. but one day at a time ;). thanks again man.

-k

[oxyg3n]

I am not familiar with how max works. I use Lightwave.

Is there some sort of preset for cloth that you use in max to get your basic settings for the shading?

[Bonedaddy]

Originally posted by kuman
white rabbit - i use max, i'm not sure how to clear the construction history. can you help me by telling me?


I think the Max equivalent is collapsing the stack. Of course, I haven't used Max in awhile, and never got too far under the hood, but I was under the impression that all the history that Max saved was in the modifier stack.
By the way, amazing work. How long you been doing CG, how long did it take you to make this?

[Blackhorse]

oh, yeah, the middle shot of the character looks great! I am strongly recommand you to make a animation of Chineses Opera. yeah, it sounds great and interesting!
the color of the orange waist cloth seems too much standing out, which would catch too much attention of the audience. just my tast.
and your work is full of power to show the art of China. hope you keep going. we love to see it finishing. cheers

[madguru]

Kuman,

beautiful work. Sorry if this is redundant, I have not read through all the posts, but yes collapsing the stack can help if you have lots of editing in the modifiers (eg you have an edit mesh modifier and did a bunch of sculpting in it but have not collapsed the stack since then).

Also, since I imagine you have many high res textures you should run this code in the listener window:

freeSceneBitmaps()

Just paste that in there and hit enter. This will unload the textures from memory. You can drag that code to the toolbar and make a button also. Run this after each render and you will free memory, otherwise the textures will stay in your memory while you work.

Other than that you should be okay so long as you have a reasonable machine.

Keep up the great work!

-Adnan

[MFTituS]

wow, an amazing work - all the details and patterns.

i wonder how you have unfold the clothes with all the folding. it must be a heavy uv pushing - or is the work all done with something like relax???

for the performance isssue, try to merge all neccessary objects into a new scene. sometimes max is wasting memory even when the objects are deleted long ago and so lowpoly scenes become as slow and big as highres scenes.

[TheHellmaster]

Would be happy if I could model something like that!!!!! FANTASTISCH!! :)

Perhaps u allready said it, but I didn´t read everything. Wich prog did you use?

I just love it!

TheHellmaster

[ninjacore]

this is the most intense thing i've seen in years.

love it. and i'm ready to see more !!!!!

[behzad]

I love your image and just like the rest of the group have nothing but praise for you.

My only opinion is that the hands look too similar, try moving a finger or two so that they look different from each other.

The folds on the arms and legs are okay since they do not come into view of being cloned that much but the hands need a bit of variation in the fingers.

All the best.

[flingster]

one word:
Mindblowing!


very unusual to see excellent modelling and texturing all in the same packages...stunning work...also appreciate all the feedback you have taken the time to do...keep it up.

[ACFred]

Very nice model and the texturing is looking quite lovely.

One thing I'd fix is the modeling of the hands. The first knuckle on each finger is set too far forward and the bend in the proximal phalange (first finger bone) seems quite severe. I don't know if you set it too low in relation to it's joining of the metacarpal or there is a physical bend in the joint, but it looks painful as is now.

Also, the first knuckle, between the metacarpal and proximal phalange, is set too far forward. It just seems to pop out where the meat of the hand ends. In reality, that knuckle is set back into the hand. In comparison with the rest of the phalanges, the proximal should be quite a bit longer...even in people with short fingers.

Keep updating!

Alec

[Wilson-3d]

Very impressive. The piece is great. I especially love the boots.

[Akkalis]

Its a great model and texture job to be sure, but the one thing that hits me are the orange balls on his head. Because they are so orange, they stand out. Thats not really a problem, but when I look at them I see computationally perfect spheres and perfect shading. It mainly seems to be a problem with the larger spheres, the smaller ones don't look so bad.

Its a nitpicky thing, but you've gone this far, might as well start (?) getting nitpicky.

[elnady]

Wow Kuman You are the king Of modeling
And texturing So far:)
When you fineshed it you must be the King of 3d!
Keep it up man;)

[Xilica]

sweeet

[JA-forreal]

This is a great highly detailed render! I used to watch broadcast of classic Chinese theatre events on Chinese language TV stations. I loved the amazing acrobatic martial art performances. It would be cool if you could pose the actor in an action stance. Cool stuff.

[AniMo]

tahts artX_X

[lmc]

Nicez...cant wait for see next...haha

[MDB101]

kuman:

Nice updates man :) mabe you can like render certain passes instaed of all at once, then put it together in some composit editing program :) I would use Digital Fusion for that.
just a sugestion :) and keep it going, your doing so well :)

[kuman]

here's another update

still got lots to do

anyhow here it is, everything is hand painted cept for cloth bump, a picture of linen and reflection in eyes, a picture of a cottage. max 5, photoshop, scanline.

http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/bracer2.jpg

-k

[oxyg3n]

Wow I really like this model and the colors and textures are really nice.

[Sas.hun]

Woow!
This is coool! Very nice model and texturing...

[Atwooki]

Just beautiful; a truly stunning piece ;)
The skin texs are definitely coming on well.....

How long has this taken you so far?

Atwooki

[DoctorStopMo]

Wow...that's an amazing piece of art. Must have taken a huge amount of patience to get all the details just right. Congratulations on a fantastic model!

[Akildee]

I think that the fingers on his right hand are a little far apart and slightly odd around the nuckle area, but this is a very very fine point. This has to be one of the nicest pieces I've seen on cgtalk. Have you gotten the cgtalk award for this yet?

Akil

[kuman]

been bakin this on my own for a while
here's an update

http://www.3dartisan.net/~kuman/wip/expression2.jpg

-k

[graffb]

Awsome! Very good...
You are the best!

[Akildee]

Are you going to give him eyelashes? Should he have eyebrows or no?

akil

[kuman]

give him eyelashes and eye brows?

absolutely :)

hopefully get those in along with some other stuff this week-weekend

-k

[orozimbo]

Hy Kuman. Again, I had to say this oriental guy is awesome!

I´ve noted he has already some movements. Do you have a special setup for rig the clothes? Some trick?

Inté,
Guilherme Lopes

[darkninja]

come on.
you killed me.

[Atwooki]

Superb, as ever kuman - no crits ;)

How many hours/days you spent on this guy BTW?

Atwooki

[buzzlightyr]

kuman, your work is truly great, mind me asking the spec of your machine though. at that detail level how does your machine and appz still fuction

Im sure my machine would blow up every time i tried running max

[3DKnight]

Ship this off to Expose 2!!!!!!!

[Keddy]

Wow, excellent model and beautiful texturing!

Keep updating us

[fturtle]

I agree with 3DKnight, you should consider submitting it for Expose 2 when you're finished.

[grossemann]

Beautiful piece man, !!!
:applause:

[Rioluany]

woow man~~ you really woowed me ......

your work is master piece... you are the one... man ...

how long time did you spend on modeling and texturing???

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