MAX or CINEMA 4D

[Schnupps]

Please don´t ask which one is the better app, you always get into war with that. And every app has it´s own benef its and disadvantages...

Ciname is more stable and cheaper. And it´s quite easy to learn.

Max is much more expandable than any other app, and has far better moddeling than cinema. Might change with cinema release9 (ngons?).

If you just use doing this stuff for hobby cinema might be the better choice. But there a demo versions for both, try them and chose which one suites you better.

Schnupps

[ToddD]

Ridiculous question! There will be as many different answers as there are people answering- ---not to mention this is the max section of the forum. If you have already purchased max, why would you want to change apps now? Is cinema going to magically make you a better 3d artist? Stick with what you've got. Don't worry about which is better, use the time you would ponder this to practice your skills.

[thorn3d]

Massoud,

It's impossible to answer your question without knowing what type of 3D you intend to do.

You might as well as "what should i get, a truck or a car?" I don't know, it depends on whether or not you need to haul cargo or a family of 5.

So give some more info on your situation if you really want more substancial advice...

thorn

[MGernot]

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19315

Nuf´said!

[Massoud]

i must answer to you later as i haven't time now and i must leave here i'm sorry

[Signal2Noise]

Originally posted by Massoud
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I wnat to know which is better Cinema 4d XL or 3ds max



XSI kicks their collective ass.

And for the price : performance ratio, LightWave is awesome!

And a truck or SUV all the way. That way you can drive over everyone and make it to the ski slopes intact!;)

[Massoud]

Originally posted by Signal to Noise
XSI kicks their collective ass.

And for the price : performance ratio, LightWave is awesome!

And a truck or SUV all the way. That way you can drive over everyone and make it to the ski slopes intact!;)

i live in iran and in iran isn't copy right and all software in iran is 1 #

[shadowkeeper]

I can say that this is a ridiculous question, and as you can see... this question is "unanswerable"! means that you have to try the available demos of both and them get conclusions by yourself! I have both products and in a personal opinion cinama is mush easier to learn than max but max is a better modeler. Each application has its advantages. So... it depends on what you're using the appication. As many guys said: "Try and Get your own conclusions"

[Massoud]

no el_shadow

i have a amendment for attend to a team in my countery and they works with Cinema 4D XL and i work with 3ds max and now i want to see which is better for work as at last must they work with max or i work with Cinema 4D.

and other guys if have preamble please call me

[shadowkeeper]

Ahhhh! Now we're talking!:p Well... both are modelers! If you can do things they ask in 3dsmax, then you can keep with max but in my opinion you should use cinema 4D because you also learn how to use onother 3d modeler wich gives you many advantages. Or you can do what I do... I mix programs I use 3ds max for modeling, cinema 4D XL for texturing and max again for final retouches and rendering. but that it's just me. Listen carefuly what you mind says and choose the right way. :rolleyes: :buttrock: :buttrock:

Good Luck!!!

[ThirdEye]

Max has an incredible set of polytools (i think it's the best poly modeler out there) but the workflow maybe suits you maybe not. I personally prefer to model in C4D because of the (imho) faster workflow but Max takes advantage of ngons. I don't have a big problem with the lack of ngons in C4D because i nearly always model using the poly by poly method. If i were a boxmodeler prolly modeling in C4D would be a nightmare. About texturing C4D is far better than Max since it has been recently rewritten in its texturing-uving module, Bodypaint3D. Sony Imageworks contributed with its suggestions to the Bp3D development and now they're using it as their unique texturing-painting tool. It's very very powerful and it has no equals out there for 3D painting, any comparison with DeepPaint isn't fair anymore imo. About animation... they're both quite good, they're not XSI or Maya but they're growing. If you need to animate some crowds Max can take advantage of Character Studio. About rendering... This is another story, C4D is superior in every aspect: Global Illumination, Speed, Quality, Raytracing, HDRI, stability. The comparison can be done only if you decide to add a 3rd party renderer to Max, Brazil rs or finalRender for instance. Part of C4D's GI renderer code has been written by Cebas, the makers of finalRender. Consider that Max 6 will have Mental Ray inbuilt into it tho. C4D's strongest point is prolly Max weakest point: stability. I've used C4D for years and i almost never had a crash, i've heard Max can crash very very often during a day of heavy work, but this is just what i've heard. In conclusion try both apps and decide for yourself, different folks different softwares.

[thorn3d]

I have used both extensively. It sums up like this:

3dsmax has better modeling and animation tools.
C4D has better lighting, material, and rendering tools.

3dsmax has a lot more scripts/plugins/development.
C4D is more reliable/stable.

Both have demos, so try for yourself.

thorn

[Nima-3dman]

salam agha Massoud

( man ham Irani hastam va graphist )

I can say that max has it's own disadvantages...
for example: max need a lot of plugins, max is very very slower than other apps,
it will crash several times during a day... (as "ThirdEye" said )

but max has its own benefit and advantages.
for example: It is very easy to use and modeling,even very faster than other 3d packages(because of using modifiers)

by the way,max 6 will be a new powerfull software because of mental ray and other new features.

so,If you want to use another 3d package, I don't recommend cinema 4d just because of texturing.
you can learn other apps that be good for new modeling and effects that max dosn't have them
( such as Maya nurbs that max dosn't have its power)

Regards
Nima Nf

[Daz]

learn the basics of both make up your own mind, get one of those demo versions, also look at what other poeple have created, i had cinema 4d around once, it didn't seem to be great and nothing i've seen come out if it looks great, Max appears to be a dieing brand unfortunatelly everyone these days crys "maya has mental ray" well so does the next max version.. either way i've never seen any cinema 4d stuff make me go ****off thats amazing

[thorn3d]

Some of these are true, but not the whole story:

for example: max need a lot of plugins

For many tasks, yes max needs plugins. Either for convenience, or for an effect that's too impractical to accomplish without a plugin. Having said that, many of the add-ons for max don't even exist for C4D; some do, but cost $50-100 for C4D.

For example, there is no equivalent to Phoenix for C4D... so if you want to make flames you'll have to use whatever creative workaround you can. Or meshtools - for max4 it was free, in max5 it's built-in. In C4D, it's a $100 plugin. You don't have to spend $1000 on Character Studio to do character animation in Max, but you can if you like... but in C4D, you won't have that choice at all.

max is very very slower than other apps

Which is slower: the app which slows down with lots of n-gon modeling, or the app which doesn't even support it to begin with?

it will crash several times during a day... (as "ThirdEye" said )

In my experience, 3dsmax's stability is related to 3 factors:

1) Plugin behavior. It's generally accepted that some lesser quality plugins will bring max down. Example: Grass-o-matic - change a couple parameters, then hit Undo. CRASH everytime. It's a problem with the plugin's Undo code, not max itself. If it were a max problem, most/all plugins would have an undo/crash related problem. They don't.

2) Outdated video drivers. I used to have constant crashes when poly modeling. After updating my drivers from 30.82 to 42.xx it wasn't a problem anymore. I crash max VERY rarely now.

3) Cracked sofware. Most people don't advertise it when they're using a cracked version of max. However, one of the benefits of paying for the app is not having to put up with instability related to cracking the app.

thorn

[Marsel Khadiyev]

Maya 4.5 crashes on me more often than Max 5.1 does.

This is a pointless topic to begin with. If you want to expand your scopes to C4D then just do so, doesn't mean you won't have to use Max ever again.

[Massoud]

hi again my boddies

quote : Schnupps
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i say yesterday why i want to know this (max or cinema)

and i never want you war.

and in iran the software price isn't different and all software are 1 $ per software.
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quote : neverwake
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thanks for this mr

i want attend in a team and they work with cinema4d and they make propaganda for TV and i

must know wich is better as i must work commercial and now i must decide
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and other guys, why you think i want you war ?????

i have question and ask that to you and i think you answer to me and i dont know this question is "Ridiculous question" in your mind but i must find a good question and then with some argue select my software to use and attend in that team.

i say again in my countery the price of software is casual and if you want answer to me think about this without price of software.


and otherwise i asked to you later :thumbsup:

[thorn3d]

Well, I'll just say this... if every software is $1, that means two things:

1) They are illegal copies
2) You can spend $2, get both, and use whichever one you like.

Most people go through this type of decision process (which app) because it's far too expensive to purchase both. Since you're basically going to steal which ever one you go with, you might as well steal both of them and use whatever app you like more.

thorn

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