Enchanted Forest - Environment -Iguiniz.X.

[leigh]

Hey Iguiniz.X. - cool idea :thumbsup:
But that is gonna be really hard to pull off well in 3D :surprised A lot of work is to come....
Good luck! :)

[mrmark]

that is seriously the coolest concept i have seen so far!!
im so jealous of your mind!

(in the time it took for the reply page to load leigh wrote a reply!!)

[Iguiniz.X.]

MrMark: :beer:
Thanks for the great compliment .:cool: . I'm quite happy with my concept to. But I wouldn't recommend you my mind. ;)

Leigh:
Yea it sure will be a hell of a job. That is why I won't texture it, I think!. I'll start texturing when I'm satisfied with my modelling and I still have a lot to learn of modelling.
With the help Equinoxx I overcome some point's with 3DMAX which now will make it a lot easier for me to work with it.
Unfortunately I only can work on it during the weekend, my final test are coming up in 2 weeks and then I have to reexam the things I didn't pass this year. busy busy BUSY!! (<-- How is this written? >>)
But I just couldn't miss this .:cool: cool .:cool: challenge

[Iguiniz.X.]

Before starting to tell my story about my idea I first have to post a new link to a less gigantic pic, The first one was extremely gigantic
LINK:
http://www.freewebz.com/iguiniz_x/may_June_challengeC.jpg

The idea is that the ball in the hand/ tree hand is a world apart.
If you go inside you can enter the house and in the house is a table with the same hand and a same ball in the hand. If you go inside that ball you can enter the same house as you just entered were the ball was in the hand on the table and so on.
then if you enter the ball you see the whole world and you can't see the inside ball of the ball. Then you have a path that comes from the South and leads North. If you folow it you end up coming from the south and see the same house again.

The owner of the house is a dwarf, or so. He can exit the imaginary cyclus to chop some wood elsewhere ( I think it is called, visueuze circel, of zo iets, in de buurt)
I hope my story is clear enough to make it understandable it.

MrMark:
Leigh sure posts fast :applause: Her dedication to the forum is great fabulous got no words for it :surprised

[mrmark]

i like it very much
makes you think hey?

dude if you made a movie of the flying into the ball then into the ball inside that ball and so on it would be something very special!!!

but for now concentrate on modelling!
cant wait to see this story unfold!
good luck!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
BOUNCE!

[Sangotten]

Hey X!

Great concept you've got there, I'm dying to see how much your 3D modeling skills have improved!!!
I can't give you any advice athis moment other than keep it low, don't do things that you can't... and don't take that as a offencive remark ^.^
Ask me help anytime!

Chiau!

Gilles....or ehhh sangotten!

[rolhionjs]

wow ! it's gonna be a great scene ! I hope to see the modeling soon ! the idea is awesome :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

.::Strike::.
I modeled the house a bit and I'post a pic soon.
But it is really rough. You'll see.

Gilles: O oops! Sangotten.
He take it easy man I don't take this as a offence/ insult.
ME beeing really beginer with 3D. So your right I have to keep it simple (<-- if that is what you mean by low, if not I don't know what you mean) And if I can't do something I'll go and harrace you. I'll phone you try mesanger and If this al doesn't help I even come at your house and harrace you there.
And I hope you knew what you did when you offering me your help. BE AWARE. beeter BE AFRAID I SAY

hasta luego huevones.

[Iguiniz.X.]

MrMark:
I might wanna do that. ( making the movie you sugested)But I'll first focus on the house and the tree's then if that worked I'll model the interior of the house.
I already thought about that. So maybe if I draw it and might wanna post it.
( you to good luck with the moddel)

[Russo]

nice idea, :wip:

[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Iguiniz.X.]

Please delete my uneccary double post.
Thanks

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[Iguiniz.X.]

My problem is that I made the walls wth the hole with a spline then I extruded them with the editble mesh.
I know that I can flip normals but you see in the image below that eighter way I can see through some parts of th estructure.
Same happends if I stand in the house I can see through teh walls.
how can this be done so I have a loid mass. ( no peeking through things.)
Can thsi be chaced with the shapes I've made know or do I have to start all over and do it in a other way. if so please explain. Maybe PM or mail me.

Thanks in advantage

[Iguiniz.X.]

sorry for my errors in speling but I was in a hurry.
Now I'll make some corrections.
I think all is clear but because of the fast writing I switched some letters and the Space is in some places wrong.
Tho only thing that you might not understand is
((how can this be done so I have a<< solid>> mass.
I hope it is clear.

[Iguiniz.X.]

And some Updates.
Maybe later on I'll be able to give more detail to the roof tiles but for now I'll leave the house alone
I'll start with the trees and the hand
And I hope you like the house.

[Iguiniz.X.]

an other one

[Iguiniz.X.]

LAst one

[mrmark]

hey thats one nice little house

its coming along nicely keep it up :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

It is not much but I just felt like posting it.
tell me what you think. As far you can see anything.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I didn't moddeled the leaves yet because I have to find a way to make them. moddeling one by one would be an imposible task. MAybe Possible but I would have to sacrifice my arms for it. Well tell me what your impresion is or what you think of it.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I made some progress and I chanced the trees as you can see.
I want to make the leaves of the tree with a particle sytem but I never made use of one and in the book I have the are quite bad explained. Is a particle system the right way to make the leaves? or is there a other better way.
If the paritcle system will do than do you know a tutorial or a site were they are explained good?
Thanks
Tell me what you think of it.

[Iguiniz.X.]

O here is a new close up of the house entrance,
For the people who wanna know: I'm not going to texture it untill I finished all the moddeling work. This is because I have way to little time.

[Sangotten]

Hey X!

You are going great man, you really learned a lot!!!

Anyway I saw your new avatar and I could resist... so I coloured it! Good luck on the challenge!!!

[ZrO-1]

That's coming along really well. I think I liked your first trees a little better though. :D

[OZ]

Hey!Iguiniz.X.!!!! U stuff became better and better!:) Is nice to see ur effort wipe out!:thumbsup: Cmon!keep it up!
PS:looking at ur house,i Think U MUST do something 4 the JACKSKELLINGTON project!! may u?:bounce:

[Iguiniz.X.]

I just typed a really long reply and then I had a marfalous ::error::
Guess what? ALL was deleted. I hate it when that Happends.:annoyed:

K, I try again.

Thanks for all the replies. It just gives me a boost that people reply and that they like it. I really want to do more tonight. And I would. It is just that I'm really tired :scream: and tomorrow morning I want to see the match Argentina Vs I dont;t remember who at the moment. Tomorrow I reply more.

here I added a new tree update. I tried to make them look more as in my consept scetch and I think I'm happier with the new trees. Tell me which trees you like most. I photoshoped the leaves. ( It is really ugly, but I never photoshop) But it gives a bit the impresion what I want it to look like.

Toworrow I reply the rest I'm so ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz..........

.....O I just woke up from a nightmare.
I dreamed -OZ- asked me to do something for the JACKSKELLETON project and that I replied to late ( as I always do with everything, must be in my spanish blood) Then i was to late and -OZ- became MAD, Bad things happend.

Then I checked the internet and I saw that he just replied.
Au! <-- Just oinched myself to make sure I was awake.

OFCOURSE I want to help with the JACKSKELETON project. Whoohoo!!
I feel really honored to help
:beer: :xtreme:

tomorrow more.... ( if my spelling is really bad, please forgive me)

[ZrO-1]

I had forgotten that you were putting all of this into a crystal ball. In that case I think those new trees should work well. Great work so far and enjoy the game! :applause:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Russo: Thanks.

He G.(Uh Sangotten):
Thanks for colloring my avatar. I might wanna put it as my new.
If you look good you see that it isn't a new one. Actually it is the same image but then zoomed out. On advise of Equinoxx ( he made the new avatar) See the attachement for the full version of the drawing.
I might need your help with the leaves. (Particle systems) Not this weekend but next or in 2 weekends. Got tests coming up so I should e learning. Should be.

ZrO-1:
I don't know if you read the idea arround the image but if you go inside the ball it is like a normal forest. But for the final image I think I go for the hand with the ball in it and in the ball the forest.
But feel free to read the idea on the first page.
Guess what?
I was sleaping in my comfy bed while the game was going on. Darn!

-OZ-
I'm glad you like my work and that you think it becomes beter and better.:cool:

:wavey: mazzle :wavey:
I hope I attached the right image

[mrmark]

jealousy!!

so jealous mr X!!

your doing some great work! keep it up

i needs to buy me some time for my forest

i dont suppose anyone knows where i can get a reference foto or two of an aging man?


well as i say your going well!! keep doing what your doing ;)

[three]

nice to see your work progress man. love it.

i really like your avatar as well, it reminds me of Donnie Darko, one of the absolute best films I've seen :)
Take care mon, and keep those updates coming.

[Iguiniz.X.]

MrMark:
he thanks for your kind words. Do you have MSN messanger?
Well if contact me. my mail for MSN is Iguiniz_X@hotmail.com
This isn't my real mail, I only use it for msn.
He!, make some spare time for your forrest Í would like to see some updates. But I think you already understood that. ( refering to your own threath)
I have no clue or idea what a "aging man" is so please explain.

Three:
Nice to hear that you like my avatar.
Do you prefer the collored by Sangotten or the non collered version ( pencilled by me?)
Donnie Darko:never heard of the film but I think I might check it out. What kind of genre is it?

Unfortunatly I can't work on the forest till the weekend but I might draw some images of the interior of the house.
And What do you think of my avatar bunny beeing the one that lives in the forest?

[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Iguiniz.X.]

MY first human hand
I'm quite happy with my hand
I only need to tweek it so it is holding the ball
but I don't know how bones work and I can't chance my pivot point when I'm in mesh??

[Iguiniz.X.]

Number 3 and the last pic
tell me what you think.
O and if you know a great tutorial or if you can/ want to explain to me how I can make bones and connect tehm to the right part of m y hand please post mail or MSN me
My MSN Mail Iguiniz_X@Hotmail.com
Mail: Xavier@San.Giorgi.as

Thanks in advantage

[OZ]

Far more good than my first attemp 0n a human model! (many years ago,on AMIGA 500!!).......As i said ,ur work became better every update.:thumbsup:

[Iguiniz.X.]

He it is like you talk as if you are from the future.
"Your work became better every update". what are you some allian who can see in the future:p ???:surprised



:cool: :wavey:

[three]

It's a really must-see :)
And it's really hard to specify the genre. I would say philosophic drama... but that's not right either... at least it's not an action movie :D <-- notorious movie freak :rolleyes:

nice work btw. i've been thinking about putting something toghether as well, but i don't think i have the time.
keep on working hard... starts to look really cool.

and i must say that i like both of the avatar versions. still, the pencilled attracts my eye better...

:buttrock:

[Iguiniz.X.]

tree:
Yes after my exames I'll rent it a the local movie rent shop ( what is this in eglish?)
I think I stay whith my peciled version it is my avatar so I want my pic ( but thanks for collering it Sangotten)
He just enter the vhallenge man, I would just like to see your idea and you don't have to finish it.

I keep on working but I'm quite stuck on the hand bone part but it is
"quite hard to get some help"
with that. And I can't make a lot of sence of the tutorial in the max help pulldown>tutorial. But I keep on tying.
My idea was to make the skeleton of the hand and then attach it to the fnger parts so I can move them as I like without remoddeling, but I first don't know if it works this way and well I understand little of the things I see.:annoyed:

[Iguiniz.X.]

I finally figured out how that bone and skin thing worked.
Check the result
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Tell me what you think of it C&C C&C C&C

[Iguiniz.X.]

2 out of 2:bounce:

Maybe later I'll post a pic with the house and trees in the ball
Hope you like it

[Iguiniz.X.]

here he is as promised
It is starting to look as the cocept. I'm getting somewere don't you think?

[levin]

your hand is looking better!

you might want to look again at the "balls" of the palms. they should have more mass and protrude at the base of the fingers, especially the thumb.

this also applies to the back of the hand, but at different levels.
the middle finger is the Star of the show, and protrudes most, with those at its sides coming in second, whereas at the palm, the thumb,s base would have more mass.

[mrmark]

your doing very well!!
did you use character studio or the bones?

you must be a very fast learner for only using max for one and a bit months!

when i was using it for one and a bit months my best work was a sphere with sum vertices pulled around to make it look sharp!

keep it up
cant wait to see more

P.S. i finally updated my thread!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[jeotero]

looking good,
maybe make the hand more skinny and more bones around the knuckles would make it look more creepy:)

[Iguiniz.X.]

Levin:
He thanks.
Yes your right. it is kind of floating in the air right now.
and with adding mass of the tumb at the palm, were it is looking if there is a gap righ now, the ball could be palce better in the hand.
I got no clue what protrude is but I think it is that te weight of the ball is pushing the finger .

MrMark: :cool:
No didn't use character studio. I used bones and then addd the skin modifier. then animated the bones activated the skin and voila.
Thanks
I see you updateed it looking good :wip:
unforunatly there ain't that much replies :hmm:

jeotero :
Yes a skinnier hand would look more creepy but I think I adjust this hand so that he realy holds te ball and then when i find some spare time I make a more boney hand.

[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Sangotten]

I would number two because the lighting is more natural that the other one, but I think it does need a lot of work. Expecially beace the light is coming from the opposite direction of the camera which leave the viewer with a lot of shadows... Maybe If you combine the two lighting set ups it may work.... (ooh don't forget to put the "shadow" on of the light inside the house!)

...:wip:

[Iguiniz.X.]

In the first image I didn't selected:cast shadow from in the house so you could see the trees and it is a screen shot (not rendered) no wonder the light is better in the second one.
Yes I think I'll try the 2 lightings setup.
I tried to render in Brazil so the light would be calculated better, but I machine get jammed because I' ve way to little RAM (128) and I have lots of leaves and grass. which in some weard way can't be seen.
In the second image I like the contour of the tree and that the other tree is lit at the side. But your right it should have more light. Tonight I'll work on it.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I won't be able to get to my CPU before the challenge ends so I made this page incase I'll be taken to the vote.
I'm far from finished like I never began with texturing but my intention was to moddel first in the hope I could finish that.
I'll finish it for myself and maybe post a threath of it on the WIP page. The page looks a bit quick added but we got here on college on the worst PC's Photoshop. so it works reeeaaallly slow.
Good luck for the rest who can finish the challnege.
:wavey:

[three]

Shit, this sucks. I was really looking forward to this one to finish... <sigh>... ah well, I really hope to see something from you in the next contest. Good luck with the CPU.

:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

:shrug: Some confusion has been here.
If you check this threath.-->
May/June Challenge Official Guidelines - May 20th through to June 20th
LINK:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=8429

you see that the title is from 20th to 30th but in the text there is from the 20th to the 30th.:hmm:



Tree I think you will see some progress been made on my moddel and I'm quite happy myself that I still can do something before the challenge closes.:cool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

I added some texture chanced the leaves and eddited a moon, some lights and now I only have to make some some coming out of the chimny and It is ready to go in the ball.
C&C PLz:cool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

I see that it is a reall low quality pic I post and I start wondering if it is so horrible that now one replies?
Well here is an other try and I hope almost sure off, better quality. I reduced the shadow intensity to 0,8

Tell me what you think or wha tyou think is wrong.

[mrmark]

hey i like it
i wont be able to get mine finished
ill just try to get the main tree looking good then paint a background or soemthing

one crit for ya

such a clear night and no stars? add some stars :)

cya

[derwolpertinger]

it looks kinda too dark to me but i could be that my monitor profile is a bit wrong. maybe you should add some visible light coming out of the little house. that would give the image a more mystical touch. and i would suggest to desaturate the colour of the big trees in the background. anyway i'm really looking forward to see an update!:rolleyes:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Thanks for the replies.

Mark:
To bad that you can't finish your challenge man. I was looking forward to it.
I tried a star sky but it made the trees look bad but maybe I have to use big stars. Got any nice star backgrounds?

derwolpertinger:
Well it is in the night offcourse, but I had many coments on that my pic is dark. I tried some light things but I can't find a way to make it lighter with out loosing that it is night.
If you got any sugestions OR IF SOMEONE HAS, please post them
I've put a light behind the window and I'll try to put it in the other to but I don't think it will chance.
Well try to put the contrast off your screen to 100% Aswell as your brightness. brightness maybe 95% but I've it like this.

In a minute I'll post some exsamples off what I've tried
and I'll try it with my brightness and contrast lower.

[MaskTX]

Moony:wip: Trees:p Housy:drool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

MaskTX:
hat means you like it, Thanks

In the other (pic’s above) san pic’s I had Omni’s

Here are some tests I made.
In
1. I had a targetspot with the strength on 1.4 and a Omni on the other oposite side of the moon wit a 0,1 strenght.
2. I had a Targetspot with the strenght on 1.0 and the rest is the same as 1.

2 is the best I think it is darker but i1 has more a feeling of beeing in the sun with a moon on the background.

[Iguiniz.X.]

Here are 3 and 4

3. Is a Omni on strengt 1.0 and the rest is the same as 1.
4.Is a targetspot but with blue light, I don’t know if this one gives a more night feeling.

Here I go for 4. this is because the Omni makes it really light and 4. does give the night feeling.

Then I can’t choose between 2 and 4. I think once in the ball 2 will do best but 4 also gives me a night feeling. I don’t know.

[Iguiniz.X.]

I forgot to tell that I made these tests with my
Brightness on 80% and my Contrast also on 80% and I could see it clear.
If people still see it bad and dark then I'll photoshop them and make them more bright.
Here is an other pic which gives you the idea on how it lookes from far,You just only have to imagine a ball and a hand arround it.
Maybe I write this on the pic if I can't finish it before the chalenge ends.
Just imagine the rest arround it and I think you like it.:p

[ZrO-1]

I think the scene looks pretty good for going into the crystal ball. One question though, how are you planning on getting your trees and house scene in the ball? Will it be done in 3D or in post? Also, I think the house might be so small once you do combine them that it might get lost. I would try making it twice as big as it is now.

Just my 2 cents...

[Iguiniz.X.]

ZrO-1

About placing the forest n the ball, I don't know what post is? ..plz explain.
Yes I tink I must make the house larger when it is in the crystal ball. Thanks for the advise

O and I'm at college and i have a realy bad dark monitor now I think I understand how it looks like when you say it is dark.
When I get home I'll make a brighter version of it for the dark monitors.

[Iguiniz.X.]

Made the trunk of the hand and I just wanted to post it, for any sugestions and I'm nit sure about the little twig coming out og the trunk.

[OZ]

:surprised .....wooops........surprised!Is incredible how much ur skills grows up day by day (is this english correct?)!!!!
Ur image looks so pretty!and ....just about the starfield......i have painted a lot of it in photoshop.....interested?:wavey:

[Iguiniz.X.]

OZ: :beer:
I thought I was almost finished with my indoor ball environment , I added some some that comes out of the chimny, but if you have soem star fiels it would be great.
You know my mail, right?
P.S. ( I think it is, how much your skills grow day by day, don't shoot me if I'm wrong my english is not so good to)

Here I update the smoke and I made 2 images 1 as I have my setings and the other with 50% Brightness and also contrast lower This is because i found out some people are using really low % in there settings ( I think they do it so you don't get :insane: eyes of sitting really a lot of hours behind the PC.
Enjoy:cool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

For the other setings, to make sure everybody sies it O.K.

[Iguiniz.X.]

1 of 2 As you see I placed everything in the ball and The ball in the hand.
I jsut can't get the glass right it is suposed to be thic glass.
I made 2 speres a small one and a larger one tehn with boolean I substracted the smaller from the other one. THis way I thought to get the thick glass efect but it seems it aint working.
Other Ideas.??:)

[Iguiniz.X.]

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and a small play with the hands. Maybe to make the hand fold open more as they go further away of the main hand and let them disapear in the fog. just a little idea.
As a flower or something.:cool:

[Iguiniz.X.]

Some new updates,

[Iguiniz.X.]

Last one

[ZrO-1]

That's a nice piece IguinizX. You sure have come a long way since the last challenge. Great job. :applause:

[Iguiniz.X.]

:bounce: He OZ thanks man
I couldn't use it for my sky cos i wanted a bright sky in th eball but I used it as my background, I made it a bit darker, I hope you can forgive me;)

Zr0-1
Thanks, I think to that I can be happy with my result,:cool:

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[Iguiniz.X.]

tomorrow I g o sweek the hand some more and then I think I'll be ready to make the final image
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[Iguiniz.X.]

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[Iguiniz.X.]

( Nails added and some stuff )

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[leigh]

Iguiniz.X. - please stop posting updates - the challenge officially ended yesterday! :shame:
If you post anymore updates, that would be considered cheating, and any pictures you post will have to be deleted...

[Iguiniz.X.]

I didn't notice that the voting already was up, so I thought some final updates could be made. I just made a final imag but that one con't be posted to I asume. :cry: now nowne can see my final awsome rendered image :cry:
Now I know for next time that is is prohibiden to post after the day that the challenge ends.


:curious: now I know that posting can't happen and i'll be more allert next time, But I'm not an infant,and as far sa I know I'm not rebeling against the mods so plz be more kind next time, After all I tried my best to make the best of my challenge:)

[leigh]

Hey sorry Iguiniz.X., I didn't mean to sound unkind - I wrote that in big letters for the whole sort of "voice of god' effect :p hehehehehe

I wouldn't ever be unkind to people who have made a big effort for the challenge! :)

[Iguiniz.X.]

I'm glad you did mean t but with the most irritating smilie of them alll thsi one >>:shame: << It kind a gives a negative sound to it.

well I made a special threath at the finished art to show my lst coolest render. I'm currious what you think of it, I didn't hear you since the beginning.
Well I hear from you,

[Iguiniz.X.]

And my special thank to OZ for his lovely star field he made for me,
Thanks man:beer:

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