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frinkky
04-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Hey all,

I've found myself in a position where I may be able to go back and do a degree. Ideally I'd love to do a course in animation. From research, and based on where I live, Solent University is closest, but is the quality sufficient? In a perfect world I'd love to move to Vancouver - but on the assumption that's not feasible, can anyone suggest a reputed UK alternative?

bobafet1000
04-04-2010, 08:56 PM
niversity of Teeside has very good facilities with alll the latest software and labs dont shut till 9pm in the evening and its q swipe card access. The courses are on animation and 3 d . as its a large unversity it casn be hard to get teacher support however learning is on your own time. The bad side is the city is not very nice.
so bournemouth could be an option as heard the run animation courses to .

i hope that helps

DanielWray
04-04-2010, 09:19 PM
I think the best in the uk is bournemouth, but it's very hard to get in.

I'm currently studying at Northumbria (Newcastle), the facilities are actually pretty damn good, we have 24/7 access to a hundreds of computers, as well as animation facilities, digital and traditional for 2D and there is the new design building which houses quite a collection of Macs with Maya and XSI, or houdini, I can't remember.

Anyway, where ever you go I would recommend you study towards a Ba, I'm currently on a Bsc and that was a big mistake I made, I get the general feeling that Bsc courses in computer animation aren't focused enough to be of any benefit. This is the general feeling from a lot of universities, the Ba style courses deals with a lot of the traditional and design aspects, rather than the button pushing of the Bsc style courses and that makes a huge difference.

moidphotos
04-05-2010, 07:58 PM
@DanielWray - a BA in animation can have just as many faults as a BSc - the issue here is that 3D animation requires knowledge of both areas of study, the traditional art skills and creativity that make for original ideas and impressive design, but also the technical knowledge to achieve the idea that the student has had. Having said that I would say it is better to go the BA route because you can teach yourself the technical knowledge if you are smart enough, teaching yourself creativity / better aesthetic sense is much harder in my opinion. If you have great technical skills but no imagination the work you make is unlikely to make people get excited (unless it is more programming based and the audience is other programmers or artists who want your tools). I wouldn't say that most BA courses are better than BSc in animation in the UK, I think the quality of most UK universities when it comes to animation is very poor indeed.

@Frinkky - If you have the money to study a degree in animation then do a lot of research first. Also you may need to wait for September 2011 entry because most courses (if they are any good) will be full / very nearly full by now, it's very late in the year to start applying.

You may find a good read through this thread on [The Student Rooms]http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301364&page=52[/URL] will be helpful.

And you could also look at the work of the University of Hertfordshire while you're thinking about it :)

frinkky
04-08-2010, 07:43 PM
Thanks for the responses guys, certainly food for thought. Waiting for 2011 is probably not such a bad idea anyway - otherwise a lot to organise, especially if relocation is necessary.

nygon
05-06-2010, 01:09 PM
hey guys, does anyone know any good university to study 3d animation, modeling and special effects in SPAIN??
thanks a lot

Teeto
05-14-2010, 12:44 PM
I'm lookin at both of these schools n don't know which is best.I've also read thru thestudentforum n found lots of tips,but have a dey questions too.
1. 3d animation n vfx courses span a total of 3years at both universities,n d tuition fee stated on d site says 9000pounds for post graduates.Does it mean that the above tuition fee covers d 3years or would another 9000 be paid in d second year of study n so on?
2.Which of these universities uses 3ds Max as d main modelin programme?I've used max for a while,n don't know if its a good idea to start over afresh wit a new prog as this would slow me down alot

moidphotos
05-15-2010, 08:42 PM
This thread is discussing at least five different animation courses - which two are you referring to?

If you are referring to a UK university in your query about cost, the fees will be expensive if you are a non EU citizen. Universities in the UK are allowed to charge what they like to international students, for example my university (Hertfordshire) charges 8000 a year for the undergraduate course, and from other universities I've worked at I can tell you that in the UK you can expect to pay anywhere from 8,000 - 10,000 a year for an undergraduate animation degree. That cost does not include living expenses. A Masters qualification will be extra fees on top.

Hertfordshire teaches both 3DSMax and Maya.

zaidali
05-18-2010, 08:37 PM
Hi there.....i now this may sound a little vague......but i feel you must opt for SUPINFOCOM....its the worlds best institute for Animation. its a French institute with a campus in France and India...iam going to the Indian campus as the education there is taught in English. Well the important part is that is a real good institute, ranked nuumber 1 in the iv league of animation schools and has a classy course all together.

Teeto
05-22-2010, 06:46 AM
@ Moidphotos: thanks alot forw your quick response n detailed insight.I'm an international student,n going 4 the master's programme as I'm thru wit college.Studied Mathematics n Computer science which in no way was related to animation or art in general.By d info u gave,I guess I'd be paying thru my nose.I'm glad hertfordshire uses 3dsmax,but my problem now is that they don't teach d techie part as stated in the studentroom forum.Truth is,if I'm payin so much,I might as well learn all I can.Bournemouth teaches d techie.D downside of this might be them cramming me wit so much irrelevant courses(just so I'd know it) that I'd never use in industry or a working environment.That could be a waste of time.I have NO traditional skills but start my models after visualisin at length in my head.Thats no good u'd agree.Bournemouth ranked 8th on d Ivy League listing,but UH was not on d list.That scares me.Finally,how hard is it to get a scholarship?I read d requirements and all,but after years of reading papers,I believe there's a sure fire way of getting one.An outstanding portfolio?Finally,what is Uh really known for,n what's their alumini employment percentage?

@Kaidali:I would love to go to the french uni's Indian branch,but haven't checked out its fees,requirements,n also courses available.Basically,I want to be Masterful in d area of Character Modelin and Animation for movie production. I have some knowledge on modelin n texturing,but would like to level to d MAX in these areas.

zaidali
05-22-2010, 07:51 AM
Hi there..well first up I recently secured admission supinfocom(India)....secondly I can offer as much help as possible regarding the institute...it is the only supinfocom that teaches in English, it is the most technologically advanced campus, the indian campus is the only campus that has a full time French faculty(even the French campus does not have this feature), the indian campus follows the same curriculum and methodology as the French campus, everything is pretty much the same except the location and the living expense part(which is way low in the Indian campus)...I had bouremouth as a serious choice as my future institute, but I had to change plans when supinfocom launched it's campus in India. And the fee part is also exiciting, as supinfocom's fees are pretty low as compared to other Us or Uk institutes I.e 6756pounds per year. So this is my past punch line----if u want to study animation in the best institute Supinfocom(India) is the place. Here isy personal i'd so if u want to ask any more questions u can write to me on this I'd zaid10.19@gmail.com. Take care brother....

moidphotos
06-01-2010, 08:40 PM
@ Moidphotos: thanks alot forw your quick response n detailed insight.I'm an international student,n going 4 the master's programme as I'm thru wit college.Studied Mathematics n Computer science which in no way was related to animation or art in general.By d info u gave,I guess I'd be paying thru my nose.I'm glad hertfordshire uses 3dsmax,but my problem now is that they don't teach d techie part as stated in the studentroom forum.Truth is,if I'm payin so much,I might as well learn all I can.Bournemouth teaches d techie.D downside of this might be them cramming me wit so much irrelevant courses(just so I'd know it) that I'd never use in industry or a working environment.That could be a waste of time.I have NO traditional skills but start my models after visualisin at length in my head.Thats no good u'd agree.Bournemouth ranked 8th on d Ivy League listing,but UH was not on d list.That scares me.Finally,how hard is it to get a scholarship?I read d requirements and all,but after years of reading papers,I believe there's a sure fire way of getting one.An outstanding portfolio?Finally,what is Uh really known for,n what's their alumini employment percentage?


To get into Hertfordshire you would need to show a portfolio that demonstrates traditional drawing skills as well as 3D skills. We teach some scripting, but we don't teach how to write your own plugins / shaders etc, we focus on artwork, and if you want to be a character modeller you need artwork more than you need any programming. I wouldn't say that Bournemouth's programming would be irrelevant; I think it would be highly relevant if you want to become a technical director. It is not usually a good idea to design a character by just visualising them in your head and then go away and model them, you would need a lot of reference and usually detailed drawings of the model (if you want it to be good anyway). Of course if you have a Michelangelo-esque level of anatomy knowledge you can do it, but all the professional modellers I know draw images of their designs, or get designs given to them by concept artists to work from. That workflow is not a professional one. The list with Bournemouth on it is very old, and if you look into how the rankings were counted you'll find that 3DWorld picked a few film festivals worldwide and counted how many student films had been shown in those festivals. So if your university didn't have many films shown in those six festivals (there are 450 animation festivals worldwide) you don't appear on that list. Plus if you're a course that has been around for 20 years like Supinfocom, Bournemouth etc you've got a good ten years head start over any other animation course! Strangely enough, half the festivals 3DWorld chose are 2D animation festivals... anyway it's probably better to look at he work that our students produce and let that do the talking :) We don't have scholarships, so getting one is very hard indeed :) Hertfordshire is known for creating very talented modellers, animators, compositors, generalists, pretty much any area of 3D, with the exception of programmers. Alumni employment is very high :)

Teeto
06-08-2010, 01:07 PM
I had my mind made up on the two schools I was going to apply to, only to discover a little piece of infoormation that thoroughly scattered my plans. I just discovered that the Masters programme at Hertforshire runs for only 12 months (45 taught weeks to be specific). I had initially thought it was 2 years or thereabout.Now I'm stuck. I am almost sure that 1 year would NOT be enough for all I'd planned to learn/achieve at this institution, and what-with it being a Masters course,students here would be expected to have prior knowledge of techniques, programs and pipelines, and are probebly going through the masters course to broaden their knowledge or pin-point their skills on a particular area of the CG industry.

I'm a noob in every way,have no skillset, and sincerely, know I'd spend much time catching up in class, because I have a very poor art foundation.
I would have preffered to do the undergraduate programme, but being a graduate and all, its not going to be easy to convince my family that I'd be going into a foriegn school to get another forst degree.It really doesnt even make sense to me.

Is there any other way around this? Truth be told, I had by God's grace, budgeted 3 years of my life to studying art abroad, and still wanna; I just dont want to go in, spend a year, and still ask questions about something I ought to know later.

Somebody,any advice?? Thank you.

moidphotos
06-09-2010, 09:35 PM
The Masters in Animation at Hertfordshire only runs for twelve months because most Masters in the UK only last twelve months -that's the norm. You might be thinking about American post graduate courses - they usually last two years. If you want to make it last two years you could always do it as a part time student I suppose... however the more pressing issue for you will be that unless you can demonstrate prior animation and art skills in a portfolio, you won't have much chance of getting a place on the course.

It sounds to me that what you need is an undergraduate course in animation - a three year degree that will teach you software skills and traditional art skills. However, again, for Hertfordshire you will have to have a strong portfolio to gain entrance. The undergraduate programme is extremely popular, this year we had 750 applications for 100 places. If you really want to study animation I would suggest a year spent in a local art college to you that teaches traditional art skills - life drawing, perspective, colour theory etc and become good in those areas, practice some software on the side and make some digital art as well, and then apply if you want to stand a chance of getting into a decent school. If you just want to study animation and it doesn't matter where, the UK has loads of animation courses that won't look at your work, your grades or you at all and will give you a place just so they can have your money. I would advise not studying at such establishments.

Teeto
06-14-2010, 02:37 AM
Hello Moidphotos.Thank u for your candid advice.D 3 years undergrad course sure wouldn't be a bad idea,but I think doing d Master's course,n some traditional art classes on d side would help alot.I really don't know if the instructors for d Masters course teach as if everyone present is at d advanced level of cg,but in anycase,I believe I'd push myself n catch up in no time.A friend adviced to take d one year programme,n subsequently other courses as d need arises.I pray all would be well.Thank you once again for your godsent responses.

moidphotos
06-26-2010, 01:11 PM
The Masters at Hertfordshire does not teach software skills - it teaches creativity and originality, students on the course are assumed to have already gained technical skills, but then want to be shown different ways to develop their creative skills and make artefacts that are noticeably different in content to the majority of work produced at undergraduate level. If you want a Masters that will be all taught software you may wish to look elsewhere. I would still recommend a year of traditional art studies plus some software training before attempting a Masters; you will get much more out of the experience if you join a masters at a higher level of skill than if you spend the year learning the software, and only then at the end of the course start to be creative with it. But it's your money in the end...

Teeto
07-19-2010, 06:36 AM
Hello all.
Been a while since I got to this forum. Well, I've got good news and also bad news. The bad news is that I didn't get accepted into Bournemouth University, basically cos their booking for September 2010 was already fully booked before my application got submitted.Their idea was that I'd have to wait till Sept next year (2011) to see if I get accepted. I felt really sad when I got this news. The good news however is that I got an offer into Bradford university, to study Computer Animation and Special Effects. My worry however, is that I do not know how good Bradford is when it comes to animation and Vfx. I was advised by the agency making applications for me that Bradford is also a good animation school.
I'd like to get any feedback as regards my offer. I also haven't gotten any other offer from another university.
Thank you all.

Toochukwu Ogbogu C.

moidphotos
07-19-2010, 07:40 PM
The easy way to find out whether Bradford is any good is to search Youtube and Vimeo for examples of their student's work.

The real query you should ask yourself is whether you believe an agency. An agency only get paid if you join a course and pay the fees (they usually get 10% of your fees) so it is in their interest to tell you that any course that you apply for and are offered a place at is fantastic. They are not working on your behalf, they are working for themselves.

K1LLSW1TCH
07-21-2010, 08:17 AM
This thread has been pretty resourceful. Up until now I had only Teesside University in my list. I am planning to do my masters on 3d character modeling/animation. I understand traditional drawing skills are important and I have seen many programs solely focusing on that. However, I also wish to take what ever I have taught myself using traditional medium and apply that in applications like Zbrush/Mudbox, etc. So basically I am looking for a program that can help me develop both my traditional and digital skills. In that case, which university in the UK will give me best of the both worlds?

I understand no university can give me all that I need to know, as I myself need to have the desire and passion to pick things on my own. I just need a guide (in this case a universtiy) who can point me towards the right direction. Please advise.

moidphotos
07-24-2010, 11:06 PM
I don't know which university in the UK will give you the best of both worlds - I don't personally know of a specific Masters level course in character modelling and animation only. Many Masters level courses will let you specialise in a certain area (the one I teach does, as have others I have taught on in the past), but they will still contain additional modules in theory and contextual areas, or at least the MA courses will; MSc courses usually offer more programming instead.

My university has lectures in both the traditional skills (and plenty of life drawing classes) and the digital skills for anatomy modelling in ZBrush mostly (we do a little Mudbox as well). There are also lectures in 2D and 3D animation. I would expect that if you look around you may find other universities with similar classes.

I would say that specialising in modelling and animation will require an incredible level of talent if you are to do both well. I haven't seen your work, but unless you are extremely talented you might find that you will increase your chances of being hired if you specialise in one of those areas.

tellmickey
07-29-2010, 08:20 PM
Hello, the information in this thread has been extrememly helpful for me too. I live in london and also want to attend a good 3d and VFX school, but I dont draw at all at present.
I have decided to take heed to the advice given on this thread and first of all do a traditional art course. With my little experience in maya and 3dsmax, I have realised that i can not be a good designer without good freehand art skills. Please could someone recommend a school where I could attend to get to learn traditional art. after the course, I think i'll be ready for a 3danimation and vfx course.
Thanks everyone.

moidphotos
07-31-2010, 08:02 PM
Hi there

I can't recommend a particular London based traditional art course, but if you were to ask on the CG animation thread on The Student Rooms (http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301364&page=59) you might get a response from someone who had studied somewhere useful that helped them get entry to a decent animation course. Or ask in one of the more general art threads on TSR, or even on Concept Art?

K1LLSW1TCH
08-01-2010, 09:47 PM
I don't know which university in the UK will give you the best of both worlds - I don't personally know of a specific Masters level course in character modeling and animation only. Many Masters level courses will let you specialize in a certain area (the one I teach does, as have others I have taught on in the past), but they will still contain additional modules in theory and contextual areas, or at least the MA courses will; MSc courses usually offer more programming instead.

My university has lectures in both the traditional skills (and plenty of life drawing classes) and the digital skills for anatomy modeling in ZBrush mostly (we do a little Mudbox as well). There are also lectures in 2D and 3D animation. I would expect that if you look around you may find other universities with similar classes.

I would say that specializing in modeling and animation will require an incredible level of talent if you are to do both well. I haven't seen your work, but unless you are extremely talented you might find that you will increase your chances of being hired if you specialize in one of those areas.

Thank you for your advice. I wish to specialize in Character Modeling. I did look around the University of Hertfordshire website. I noticed you are using a link under your name (http://uhanimation.co.uk). This site is not affiliated with the University of Hertfordshire directly is it? Please correct me if I am wrong.

I checked out the postgraduate programs they are offering at Hertfordshire, and the MA Games Art looked pretty intriguing. When you are saying there are tons of life drawing and using zbrush to understand form and anatomy were you referring to this program?

SuryanshuRai
08-03-2010, 05:57 PM
Hi.. I am from India and I plan to travel to UK for Animation studies... I have applied to quite a few Universities and have final offers in my hand. Just want to know, which is the best of the following. I want more techie stuff as I already have very strong traditional art background. I have already worked as Production Manager- Animations for over an year, so I have good working knowledge of Maya and MAx. My options are:

Bournemouth University
Middlesex university
Hertfordshire University
University of Sunderland
Swansea Metropolitan University
Staffordshire University
Bedfordshire University
DeMontford university

I have Unconditional Offers from all of these.

I want to pursue my Masters and hopefully my PhD as well after I finish off with Undergrad study..

TheoHicks
08-23-2010, 08:36 PM
Hi there

I can't recommend a particular London based traditional art course, but if you were to ask on the CG animation thread on The Student Rooms (http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301364&page=59) you might get a response from someone who had studied somewhere useful that helped them get entry to a decent animation course. Or ask in one of the more general art threads on TSR, or even on Concept Art?

heey moidphotos, iv just joined the cgs society about an hour ago and was looking through the form and this is the second post i found..... and couldnt belive it because i happen to be starting 3d digital animation at hertfordshire next month!! iv been extreamly exited about it since i made my it my firm desition on ucas, and reading your informative and positive comments on it has made me even more exited! Anyway im quite literally packing up all my stuff here in Belgium as i write this, and getting ready for orientation week (even though it states on the 17th of sept ;P) i hope to see you there
-Theo Hicks.

moidphotos
08-24-2010, 07:20 PM
Hi Theo

You'll be our first Belgian then :) I look forward to meeting you, probably around the 20th September onwards - I don't have much to do with the induction week for year one students because I'm teaching year 2 and year 3 that week, but at some point I shall be wheeled out in front of the first year and introduced and then dragged away before I can say anything controversial/frightening/rude :) I'll send you a PM with some extra info.

see you soon!

For some reason you can't receive PMs, so if you want more info about the course / university you can click on moidphotos above my avatar and choose to send me an email from the list, just make sure you put your email address in the text you write.

joeBRAMMER
08-25-2010, 10:54 PM
Hi Martin, Im not the best artist in the world, but ive been working in and around PC Game mods for a few years now as a 3d artist or Environment modeller. If im not the best "drawer" in the world does this heavily effect the chances of getting into hertfordshire, Im currently studying at warwickshire college on an ND Games Design and Art. How can I "prepare" myself for an application to hertfordshire for September 2011? More drawing or work on even more 3d?

moidphotos
08-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Hi Joe

Drawing is the main area to practice, definitely - get as much life drawing and perspective drawing practice as you can. If your college doesn't offer life drawing once a week, find an adult education evening class that you can attend to improve your portfolio. And go somewhere where they'll tell you what is wrong with your drawings - and tell them you don't care how much they tell you that you need to correct, you need to be good at it. A lot of FE level courses don't tell their students how poor their skills are because they know that they'll kick up a fuss if they do, so everyone gets told they are wonderful...

There is an excellent book on environment and character design with a strong games slant called The Skillful Huntsman, I'd recommend reading that and try some of the techniques shown - we will want to see character and environment designs in your portfolio.

Aside of that, if you are applying for Games Art, I would advise getting hold of a game engine, creating some assets in Max or Maya and putting them into a level or just a few rooms of your own design and textures to show that you really are keen on working in games.

This advice should be good for a portfolio for most Games Art courses, not just ours. Have fun!

joeBRAMMER
08-26-2010, 09:10 PM
Thanks, just ordered that book off amazon!
Would sending in a game I have made with objects and things I made in a game level in my portfolio? or bringing a laptop to an interview? Is that a good idea or maybe over the top :D ?

thanks for the advice, Joe.

moidphotos
08-26-2010, 10:51 PM
Yes some pages in your portfolio that show assets for a game level are good to see, also please bring along a working game level, but do so on a laptop because there is no guarantee that it will run on whatever PC is in the room where the interviews take place - we can always play sensible things like MOVs in H264, but actual exe files and associated assets may have issues with our anti virus software or admin permissions or even the right graphics card.

Madmax25
09-12-2010, 02:30 PM
Hi everybody
Does anybody know something about London metropolitan university. I saw there that they have courses in games desing and animation. Could somebody tell me about that course in that university ?

moidphotos
09-12-2010, 11:12 PM
I'm not sure if you'll get a reply about that course here, but if you do a google search you'll probably eventually find some artwork by the students of that course.

If you try this link http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?p=27605953#post27605953 you might be able to ask there as there are a lot more UK animation students there than there are on CGTalk.

Rahl
09-18-2010, 01:44 AM
Hi.. I am from India and I plan to travel to UK for Animation studies... I have applied to quite a few Universities and have final offers in my hand. Just want to know, which is the best of the following. I want more techie stuff as I already have very strong traditional art background. I have already worked as Production Manager- Animations for over an year, so I have good working knowledge of Maya and MAx. My options are:

Bournemouth University
Middlesex university
Hertfordshire University
University of Sunderland
Swansea Metropolitan University
Staffordshire University
Bedfordshire University
DeMontford university

I have Unconditional Offers from all of these.

I want to pursue my Masters and hopefully my PhD as well after I finish off with Undergrad study..

Definetely advise you Stafforshire Uni,

can give you more info if you need.

frinkky
10-19-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm glad to see this has become an important subject. Trying to go freelancer, I've found I do 90% web dev, just can't afford uni. I hope (and bloody expect ;)) to see all your works here soon.

Wozzie
10-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Hi everybody
Does anybody know something about London metropolitan university. I saw there that they have courses in games desing and animation. Could somebody tell me about that course in that university ?

Avoid at all costs.

To be fair that's the advice you'll get about most uni's especially ex-polys but Londom Met is across the road from me so I was willing to overlook a hell of a lot for the sake of convenience but it had absolutely nothing going for it.

As best I can tell you'll spend a great deal of time doing stop motion and 2D work with Toon Boom.

Robert Bateman
11-19-2010, 01:38 PM
I think the best in the uk is bournemouth, but it's very hard to get in.

Not at all, you've just got to be prepared to work you a**e off to get there!

Robert Bateman
11-19-2010, 01:40 PM
The good news however is that I got an offer into Bradford university, to study Computer Animation and Special Effects. My worry however, is that I do not know how good Bradford is when it comes to animation and Vfx. I was advised by the agency making applications for me that Bradford is also a good animation school.

Do an art foundation and apply to bournemouth again next year. Very few people get in the first time around.... If you are motivated enough, you'll be able to get in next year....

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