which desktop would you buy and why?

[Jettatore]

If I had to choose, from only these two machines, based on specs alone, probably the Dell, although I'd want confirmation that the HD5770 is working well for all CG apps before confirming that officially. The reason I'd pick the Dell, is because #1 it has a faster processor which is worth a bit more. #2. On the HP link, the video card is mis-marked as a GTX260 does not come with 1.8GB of memory as far as I know, so it seems somehow grossly mislabeled either the amount of memory or the model of the card....

The rest of it seems about even at first glance, with a possibly slightly better memory configuration on the more expensive HP.

With that said, I like Dell as a company slightly less than I like HP and I currently prefer Nvidia cards in my machines. So you'd have to cope with spending more money on an HP and at the same time getting a lower CPU if you are choosing that box instead, which is why I'm leaning Dell.

Also know, that both of these machines, are likely cutting costs at every opportunity. Aka. budget RAM, cheapo motherboard, mediocre Power Supply, etc. etc. and both of them probably come with a lot of bloatware that would need to be removed in a professional environment to improve performance and stability.

I don't love either one but they aren't the worst values I've seen from HP or Dell.

[meleseDESIGN]

On the HP link, the video card is mis-marked as a GTX260 does not come with 1.8GB of memory as far as I know, so it seems somehow grossly mislabeled either the amount of memory or the model of the card....

Dude, there is nothing mis-marked!
So what the hell are you talking about?
Would you please stop confusing peoples with your lack of knowledge?! Thanks.

There is a GTX 260 with 1792MB RAM on the market.

:deal:

[Jettatore]

"as far as I know" (which means, I'm not 100% certain, so double check this). This is part of the subtly of the English language Melese.

Regardless. Please do not respond directly to me any more or interact with me directly in any way. I wish there was a way I could just block your posts, but I can't, so I'm asking you nicely to not interact with me directly, just say what you need to say, provide your own links and reference and advice, and leave me completely out of your responses. As you are completely inappropriate and disrespectful, and I really don't have the patience for it. Thank you, and good luck to you.

[meleseDESIGN]

"as far as I know" (which means, I'm not 100% certain, so double check this).

Because you don't have the knowlege you claim informations as mis-marked?
Get on your feet, there are more things in this world you haven't heard of yet.
The earth is round, trust me!

;)

[leigh]

meleseDESIGN, take a chill pill.

[meleseDESIGN]

meleseDESIGN, take a chill pill.

You're right, i was a bit rough here.
Sorry for that, Jettatore.

:blush:

[olson]

Between the two I'd get the HP, though you can get a lot more for your money elsewhere especially if you're willing to put it together yourself. Cheers!

[forbirds]

thanks for the advice, the reason I'm learning towards these machines is because I felt like they were a good price for what you get. I've gone towards the route of building my own pc but really I don't have the time and patience or really all the skills of going through that route again.

[Jettatore]

Can you tell us more about what you primary and then secondary uses are. And a range for your budget.

[forbirds]

thanks jetta for all that information, I think I can manage all the bloatware removal. I will mainly be using this machine to paint with photoshop and corel painter and multi-task and some light gaming, but I do want the best and by the best I mean the fastest and probably the one with better graphics. I'm really wanting a pre-built machine and one that is around the price range of the dell and hp mentioned above, but the best of the best out of that price range so I get my moneys worth. Any other suggestions would be really helpful!

[forbirds]

see I'm upgrading from a white macbook with 2gb of ram with a 2.4 ghz intel core 2 duo processor. I cannot run painter on this smoothly and sometimes with my big files photoshop lags.

Also, side note. I used to play a bit of WoW in my spare time, but I cannot play anymore because the changes they have made with the game are too much for my little macbook to handle so I lag too much to be able to play.

[gawl126]

Maybe you can try going with a company that will custom build you one.

http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=12440#configure

[Jettatore]

Ok. That will help a lot. Your budget is fine, and those computers will work. But I worry about some of the components not being of superior build quality as they simply don't specify in detail what exactly your getting, but I'm sure you could find out with a bit of leg work.

Something like Gawl linked to you above may very well give you more power, and better parts for the same price, with no need to even bother with bloatware removal. Honestly I find the smaller outfitsdo the best job when it comes to configuring a system.

This place here, http://www.ibuypower.com/ has a good track record (although their current site visually looks awful busy and a bit confusing). I haven't checked up on them in a long time but feel free to research any vendor at http://www.resellerratings.com/ which will give you user feedback and a search-able database on which online electronic stores to stay away from.

[forbirds]

i really like the ibuypower site, do u mind maybe configuring one with specs close to the hp and dell and e-mailing it to me, justme.jean@gmail.com ? I'm not completely computer savvy on what to pick and I'm finding that whatever I pick just ends up costing a lot.

[Jettatore]

This might get the ball rolling.

http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=378&t=w&c=21254

It can still be customized so anyone here can continue to adjust it further, and with-in your budget but that's a decent start.

Added: Ok, the link I posted above, you have to add Windows otherwise it doesn't come with OS installed, total price after that is $1,305. Otherwise I'm looking more at Gawl's link right now, and that place may be cheaper for the same computer. But I'm about ready to fall asleep though so I'll edit this more sometime tomorrow when I get chance if someone hasn't already done so.

[forbirds]

thanks so much jetta, I'm getting excited already =), I also customized that hp computer with a faster processor and the price wasn't bad at all.

[gawl126]

I configured something pretty similar at the site I linked, but it seems iBuypower is cheaper.

$1364.64, Avadirect

Case: Compucase HEC, mid tower
PSU: HEC X-POWER 585 watt (no idea about the quality, it's listed as the default)
Mobo: Asus P6T
CPU: i7 930
Memory: Kingston HyperX 6gb (3 x 2gb), DDR3 1600 (9-9-9-27)
GFX: PNY XLR8 core 216 GTX 260 896mb
HDD: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32mb cache, 7200 rpm
OS: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit


$1330, iBuypower

Case: CX-5B59, gaming tower (no idea how big that is, maybe mid?)
CPU: i7 930
Memory: Kingston HyperX 6gb (3 x 2gb), DDR3 1600
GFX: GTX 260
Mobo: ASUS P6T SE
PSU: Casegears 650 watt
HDD: 1TB 16mb cache, 7200rpm
OS: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

[Jettatore]

The HP is sold out. Regardless, the iBuyPower is a better computer for roughly the same price. Your getting a highly rated motherboard in it, a faster grade of memory on several levels, a faster CPU, and most likely a better Power Supply. And the price is about the same. Also has 3 year warranty with lifetime tech support included.

It should function for your intended purposes quite nicely, and it shouldn't come with any bloatware to begin with. You can also call iBuyPower and talk to them on the phone.

http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=378&t=w&c=21282

If you are going to go with iBuyPower, and not change the price-range, that is the machine I would get. If you were inclined to spend a bit more, you can add in basic speakers or upgrade the keyboard mouse that is on there for cheap and change the case (or you can save a few bucks by removing the cheapo keyboard and mouse). As well you will have 3 memory banks open to add more RAM at a later time, so just keep your eye out for a good sale on your spec of memory and this should be more than fine for now. (2GB x3 - DDR3-1600 aka PC3 12800 - Cas Latency 8 aka CL8, timing 8-8-8-24, voltage 1.65)

Basically any of the memory here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+1052429371+1052529367+1259929402+1052345114&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=147&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=) would complete the system nicely at a later purchase. The iBuyPowerBuild has the Kingston memory that is also on that list, though the other brands should match up just fine so keep your eyes out for a good sale and of coarse read the reviews.

[forbirds]

I really wish the HP wasn't sold out, but I've seen it sold out once and then more was in stock and now it's sold out again. I really like the build you made me though except I like the fact that the hp has the wireless built in and I know you can add that at a later time, but I'm not very good with things like that, but I think I have a usb wireless doohicky lying around somewhere, ech I don't know why but it's a pet peeve to have one of those sticking out. Also, I think I might want to add more ram to that build if I were to get it since again I'm too cautious about doing it myself (i tend to mess things up easily). But there are a lot of options, which one of the 12gb would you recommend? Also, how many usb plug ins does this pc have? I got a little confused with the internal expansion category which lists off options for usb. I read the description and it said that it boosts performance? Or is it really an option telling u how many usb ports u can have?

Also, I don't need this desktop immediately, so do you think I should wait until mid summer and maybe prices will be cheaper or there will be a better deal?

[forbirds]

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11526335&whse=BC&Ne=5000136+4000000&eCat=BC|84&N=4017755%204294899772&Mo=12&No=2&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=#reviews
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11526336&whse=BC&Ne=5000136+4000000&eCat=BC|84&N=4017755%204294899772&Mo=12&No=7&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

these are ibuypower computers from costco that seem like a good deal. I particularly like the second for the case. The graphic cards are different, the first has a ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB Discrete Graphic Card and the second has a NVIDIA GeForce GTS250 1GB Discrete Graphic Card. I'm not really sure what's better though.

[meleseDESIGN]

The graphic cards are different, the first has a ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB Discrete Graphic Card and the second has a NVIDIA GeForce GTS250 1GB Discrete Graphic Card. I'm not really sure what's better though.

The HD5670 is a newer architecture with DX11 (DirectX) and SM5 (Shader-Model) support.
Anyway, I would take the GTS250, because it will perform better and it's even more stable for DCC (Digital Content Creation) as the HD5670.

;)

[forbirds]

sorry same question what is a better deal?

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit edit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-930 quad-core [2.8GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache] edit
Memory 12GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [6 DIMMs] edit
Hard drive FREE UPGRADE! 1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive from 750GB edit
Graphics card 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 [DVI, HDMI, VGA] edit
Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive edit
Networking Premium Wireless-N LAN card and Bluetooth(R ) edit
Front Productivity Ports 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio edit
TV & entertainment experience No TV Tuner edit
Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio edit
Speakers No speakers edit
Keyboard and Mouse HP multimedia keyboard and HP optical mouse edit
Productivity software Microsoft(R) Works 9.0

for $1400


Processor:
Intel Core i7 930 CPU (Maximize your gaming and multitasking!)
CPU Speed: 2.8Ghz
Intel Turbo Mode
CPU Cores: 4
CPU Threads: 8
L3 Cache size: 8MB
Memory:
DDR3-1333 (Double the memory bandwidth of DDR3)
12GB (2GB x 6) Triple Channel (Run more, with no more slowdowns!)
Triple Channel (Maximum memory bandwidth)
Upgradable up to 24GB
Motherboard:
Intel x58 Chipset
South Bridge: ICH10R
Socket 1366
Graphics:
2 x Nvidia GTS 250
1GB GDDR3 Memory
Nvidia CUDA Technology
Nvidia PhysX Technology
Hard Drive:
Capacity: 1TB
Speed: 7,200 RPM
Interface: SATA II
Optical Drive:
Blu-ray Combo Drive
Network:
10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet Port
Audio:
Realtek High Definition 8 Channels
Keyboard & Mouse:
iBUYPOWER Keyboard (104 Standard Keys and 18 Multimedia Keys)
iBUYPOWER Optical Mouse (Includes Scroll, Forward, Backwards buttons)
Expandability:
4 x 5.25" drive bays (external) (3 available)
0 x 3.5" drive bays (external) (0 available)
7 x 3.5" drive bays (internal for hard drive) (6 available)
3 x PCIe x16 (1 available) (Crossfire Ready, SLI Ready)
2 x PCIe x1
2 x PCI
Ports:
8x USB 2.0 (2x on Front, 6x on rear)
2 x Front Audio Jacks
6x Rear Audio Jacks
1 x Optical S/PDIF Audio
2 x PS/2 (keyboard and mouse)
1 x eSATA 3Gb/s Port
1 x IEEE 1394a (FireWire)
1 x RJ-45 (Ethernet)
Operating System and Software:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
Additional Information:
800-watt power supply
Dimensions: 18.9" H x 20.79" D x 7.72" W

for $1250

i was going to get the ibuypower, but i read a review that they had horrible customer service so now i'm worried =(

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