Character : 3d Max5 / Sandra

[wgreenlee1]

Wow no comments?
Looking great....:beer:

Any wires and what softwares?

[phgroove]

she's cute, nice sss on the ear but I think it makes it look more like opalescent glass, not really skin, IMHO.

is she going to be a ghotic girl? eheheh :) :drool: :)

can't wait to see more, good job :thumbsup:

[Max4ever]

is she going to be a ghotic girl?
that would be cool...go for it misu :beer:

[FatherTed]

Hey thats looking wicked. I agree about the sss though, maby just tone it down a bit.

looking forward to more

FT

[Tigerdog]

I like it :thumbsup: I think u have done a good job on the eyes, thats the part i can never get to look right.

Question - How do you get the skin to sort look transparent, phgroove refered to it as sss.

[reptil]

wow great stuffff :thumbsup: what shader do u use for the skin ?:eek:

[markdc]

Very nice. Can we seem more angles and wires?

[phgroove]

>Tigerdog wrote
Question - How do you get the skin to sort look transparent, phgroove refered to it as sss.

Sub-Surface Scattering, in other words, the property of light to pass trough a translucent object.

Example, get a flashlight, turn it on, point the light on you fingers from behind, you should see that the light is propagating into the flesh giving your fingers a reddish glow, you could see the bones within the fingers, another example is wax, wax is translucent and you see the light passing trought it.

So, thats SSS, the way renderers simulate this phenomena!
I know my explanation is not very tech, just do a search on google and there you go!!!
:)

So in this case you see the light behind the girl's head is passing for some degrees into the ear's flesh.

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Hey misu, I think your beauty is perfect for some piercings! what da ya think?? :buttrock:
BTW, what references did you use? she's cute :)

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[misu]

Thx. for reply ! Here is a small update and wire ... (still working on hair and textures) .

http://dragos.tigros.ro/sandra14a.jpg

[Omniscient]

Looking really good, I see some problems with the hair, but other than that, it is great.

[RedFish]

this is looking amazing.... fantastic work so far

omniscient is right about the hair, I think that it starts up to high on the forhead, making her look a little like she is balding. you may want to adjust your mesh to give her a little better hairline.

also, this is just me but I think that she would look better asthetically if you could make her coller a little more thin, but that is just my oppinion.

Great work!

[Strob]

Wow! Which plugin do you use for the hairs? :thumbsup:

With this topology, I'm wondering how you will be able to create some wrinkles when you will animate her... :curious: I think that you will not be able to trace a wrinkle from the side of the nose to the side of the mouth because the mesh loop doesn't follow the right path.

For example, you can see an example of the path I'm talking about on this picture:

link to the picture (http://www.strob.net/spgm/spgm.php?g=3D/WIP/strob_3d/topologie&p=7&frpg=1&f=#pic)

[Woodys3d]

Really incredible work. I like more the second hair version. Talk us about the textures, I like it very much. What rendering software are you using? Brazil?

[koroko]

Thats coming along reaaaally nice.... :applause:

Tell me if i´m right, you followed references from natalie portman??

I´ll get rid of the collar, imo makes her kinda "sadistic"...hehe
The skin shading has a nice sss quality all over, but, its to desaturated and washed out...i´ll look at that..

I specially dig the hair...which reeminds me you maybe could throw some help here...i have a similar character in the works, a nice girl, and i´ve been playing with the hair shading with not so nice as yours result, i´d apreciate much if you could tell me about how did you make the shading that way...thanks
i use shag:hair, same as you i guess....

Here´s a link to an image of the head i´m talking, forget about the expresion, its just a test and i was playing around
http://webs.ono.com/koroko/vray_geisha4.jpg

Keep updating

[wgreenlee1]

I cant see the wires....

Also people please post links to other non-thread related images.

[TheRow]

Hmm only one but.. the leather neckless thingi.. don't think it looks like leather.. ..more like cholate(how to spell it is out of my ability..) then again I don't handle much leather in my days.. so I'm not sure..

but other than that WOW!

PS. Like the secound hair layout better than the first. DS

[Max4ever]

hey dude, post updates! :annoyed:

[osukayasuragi]

well, nice - but the nose looks a bit wierd!?

[misu]

update :

[wgreenlee1]

The eyebrows seem a little to perfect but other than that she is looking too sweet!

Nice clean render also.

[Max4ever]

that's amazing misu. the eyes are looking great, the bump also...the lower part of her face it seems too masculine if you ask me but hey, it'a about women taste :P

[FerdiWillemse]

Awesome! I never seemed to understand how to make hair with Shag: hair.

The textures and eyebrows/lashes seems perfect to me!

Keep up the good woik!

[misu]

hey :D thx for reply !! here is a bigger render with small changes at nose, eyes ,bump and light ...
http://dragos.eonet.ro/misu/test35_ll.jpg

wgreenlee1: i'm working right now at eyebrows :)
max4ever : i'll keep in mind your advice ! :D

[Terro]

Wow very nice. Could you possibly show a render of just the eye, they are to freaking perfect, I'd like to see the eyeball so maybe I can learn a little from it.

[RiffRaff]

I like it a lot shes hot.....lol....but she looks like shes wearing a wig.....give her a badass mohawk or somethin...just to test out!

[misu]

Terro : here is an eye closeup
http://dragos.eonet.ro/misu/eye_l.jpg
now i'm still working on texture and mesh in my spare time

[Terro]

Thank you, very beautiful work.

[misu]

Update :
http://dragos.eonet.ro/misu/ss_l.jpg

[KazuyaMochu]

she's suposed to be Sandra Bullock? it does look a bit like her.

nice bump and shading. very good!

Kazuya Mochu

[misu]

you'r right ! i used more references from sandra bullock when i started she's head but i used more other references to refine the nose ,mouth and ear !

[Dennispls]

it looks very realistic but it doesnt really look like sandra bullock to me

[misu]

update:
http://dragos.eonet.ro/misu/ss2l.jpg

[Joss]

You know, I like the hat idea.

I'm a little tired of seeing all these head models bald. lol

So, maybe we should incorporate a "hat law" for 3d heads (wip). :-)

[misu]

lol Joss .. i have tried to do the hair look real . one of the first frame posted here is with hair ... :)

[tyio]

could you show the setup of spline for eyebrow ??

And the way you use to succes the sss ?? (please show the material editor :))


Thanks, very realistic, congrats !

[WanielJorge]

Beautiful work!!! I see that the loops of the lips is out of position, if you will make animation.

[misu]

I have refined the mesh ... here is the wire :

[poisonspider]

NICE WORK

i wanna talk , message me on aim (poisonspider35)

or msn (spencer@travel-net.com)

[misu]

and sun glasses:

http://dragos.tigros.ro/misu/ochelari_l.jpg

[Tigerdog]

Looks great, Good old kitchen HDRI. Im cruious what is your lighting setup? Im having problems with my lighting at the moment on a female character. Shadows are my main problem but yours look good. Are you using max?

[misu]

i use just hdri . no lights !!! in hdri output set an higher value .

[tyio]

the radiance of hdri is enough !
Could you explain your shader setup for sub surface scatering ?
thanks

[misu]

i use standard material with diffuse map , bump map , reflection map .. :)

[tyio]

so explain more precisely each type of mat you use in each slot :))
I never succes my sss :(((

[misu]

for render i use vray .. but vray has no sss
so i use a map for tranlucent ...made in photoshop .. :)

[JasonA]

wow, thats some seriously impressive work! Nice job on the eye areas too btw. and the skin is pretty impressive as well.

Could you post a low poly wire please?

[Volcandro]

Wow man !!! The model is superb and the texture ouffff really great. Nothing to say... just continue your good work.

[faux-pas]

ahh I knew this didnt have SSS. really really awesome job with the modelling and skin. Its great you can achieve a render like that with no lights.

[ssloan]

Hey man, this is amaizing. ive tryed to moddel heads like this before but they looked nothing like this!

Just one favor though could you post more wireframes please, they help sooo much.

great work!

[elnady]

Nice work
Keep it up:)

[misu]

i was bussy with my job :(
... here is an update :
i'm waiting for crit
http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/images/update.jpg

[tyio]

ok,

Maybe a closer view will help !!

I think the neck is too big, too cylindrical, get off the vein !!

But nice !! :drool:

Do you ever finish the entier body ?

[misu]

Thx tyio :) i will post another update soon!

[eYadNesS]

Really very cool, I don't know how I missed this wip thread!
I will watch this thread 24 hours...

Very good work on her skin, I think her neck is a little big from down, and her jacket is a bit solid...

Good Luck :)

[eYadNesS]

I read all your thread misu! Unfortunately you don't talk alot about your work :(, and you don't give a good vision of what are you doing or how did you made this...
Anyway good luck and I'm watching you always....

[misu]

eYadNesS: Txh for your attention . If u have a question for me please ask !! :)
Here is an update (neck and hair)
http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/images/rade62l.jpg

[eburdeinick]

Really amazing.... I like the leather jacket.... what about some long beautiful shiny hair ? the hair now looks like a wig to me...

[asylum24]

is it just me or does she look crosseyed in that last picture?

[Pillboxx]

I love it. Very realistic. I think any critique on this would just be stating personal preferences.

Her eyebrows have that tattooed look. It just looks odd on this character. I know some people have it done. But would she?

The eyes are amazing. I would love to see an image like the last one from the same angle but with her eyes looking into the camera.



Keep it up, very inspiring!

[aesir]

her hair seems a bit flat atm. Its realistic but it jsut looks like shes got greasy hair and has been wearing a hat.

[TiSOy]

Wow that is awsome,,,,,,,I like her style

[Drakaran]

this is one of the better heads I've seen in a while. the translucence on the ear is awesome! texture is phenominal. I'm glad you did away with the heavy vein at the temple, I was gonna suggest making it thinner as it was too heavy. you might wanna add a vein layer to your texture as there are several places like on the neck and jaw that they show through the skin better than others...

the neck is too round and I'd suggest tweaking the muscles on the side of the neck a little.

for some reason I'm seeing some poly artifacts on the ear that should be reworked as well.

The hair is really good, and I'd only suggest adding a tiny bit more in front of her left ear. eyebrows look a bit flat.

the back edge of the jaw is a little wrong in angle, the corner coming too far back. there should be more of an angle from the ear to the corner......

really awesome work! *thumbs up*

[misu]

Hey ! Thx very very very much !!!! :)
eburdeinick : i'm trying to make a realistic hair and I've lost too much time with tests ... Now this is a hair test but in the future i'll make a beauty haircut !
asylum24 : you're right ! it is a problem with the eye but i can't find a solution right now :( ... i think it's a problem with eye refraction because i don't use it !
Pillboxx : i'll change the eyebrows to look more real . thx !
Drakaran: thx for your sugestion ! really helped me !

[orozimbo]

Congratulations misu!

You have a good work in textures and lights, the modeling seem to be fine. But, just in case, what about put her in extreme poses?

Inté,
Guilherme Lopes

[ssloan]

Love the Update
Textures are great, my only sudjestion on them would be that the freckels on the forehead and neck are too strong
Maby im wrong ,Im just learning.

[nat]

Impressive work!
Nothing to add about the quality of her skin...

What strucks me the most is that she's friendly et it's rare to see a 3d model with such a nice smile!
she's aliiiiive!!!

Keep up the great work!


PS: does she have a body?

[Woodys3d]

Congrats for your model, it's a really impressive work, almost perfect. But I think there are a few things you can improve.

I can see a few polys in the ear, and I thing the scatering is too high in that part, and its overilluminated. I think you are trying to do some kind of leather clothes, and I think that the texture needs more work... I don't know what you are trying to do exactly with that, but it don't look real. And finally, the hair... it's good but isn't real yet. Too much "perfect", and maybe there are few hairs in some parts (for example, in the ear part). But it's a really good aproximation for the moment. How are you doing it?? it's all a poly mesh or are you doing a lot of meshes. Can you show us a wire of the hair or/and the textures for that?? I think it will help a lot of people for other projects... And it will help me too, cause now I have to start with the hair in a character :P.

Otherwise, really good work, a very interesting thread!!

[Bacry]

There are no words to write my great admiration for your textures. Just no words.
But I have sugestion to add a blink to eyes. Now they look quite lifeless.

[mickatt]

very nice rendering misu

the first rendering look very nice just one problem on the tooth when she smile

sorry but vray has an "SSS"

http://www.vrayrender.com/stuff/MtlTutorial/

or you can simulate SSS like richard rosenman did


http://www.richardrosenman.com/vray_absorption.htm

[vega]

this is nice work - love it!

i was wondering if you could give a little more detail on how you created the hair?
what kind of material/lights did you use?
i also use max5 with shag hair but have trouble creating realistic hair.

any info would be greatly appreciated

Gary

[Sean11]

Exellent work Misu, thats one of the best 3d heads I've ever seen!

[misu]

Thx again for the replys !
here is some wires and material used for skin:

http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/05al.jpg

http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/04al.jpg

http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/01al.jpg

As you can see from the third image i used many planes converted to poly in order to create the hair . The texture for the hair is very simple : one bitmap for diffuse and one for opacity ( i used the same map for opacity, bump and reflection).

[misu]

the opacity map used for the hair:
http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/hair.jpg

and the skin shader:
http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/03al.jpg

[Raul3d]

WOW!!! very very nice job, I like the skin, hair and the face mesh. could you post another views of sandra to see her from diferent angle? and could you post the maps textures (please)? I like the bump one.

Saludos

[REZI-st]

wow ! impresive and very realistic head :))) GOOD WORK !!!

[ssloan]

Thanks misu for the feed back
this is great stuff, i thought the hair was "shag hair"
ive never seen poly hair that good!
The smile adds so much life to the image that so many other cg faces are missing

Keep up the great work!

[PhilOsirus]

WOW the last one is perfect. I was about to say "the hair stands too high on her haid" but this one is just beautiful. Very realisticly modeled, nothing to say except that I want to see other expressions of her!

[yangmiemie]

good work,,,thx...

[fatboy]

Looking great :)

[misu]

http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/RADEtest_l.jpg

[nat]

the hair are much better! This is really good job!
maybe she needs more hair above the ear...

keep it up!

[JTalbotski]

Beautiful! She has real life and character. And a great smile.

Congrats!

Jim

[Volcandro]

WOooooooW really pretty woman.
The smile is great and the expression in the eyes is perfect.
Seriously, I think it's the better woman model I've ever seen. Better like Final Fantasy Aki and many others characters.
What's the render time ???

Three thumbs up :) (inside joke)
Bravo Bracie !!!

[ssloan]

Really like how this is comming allong.

Things i would change


[list=1]

The eyebrows, they look like their painted on, not so much at the base but at the ends (The side of the head). try to make individual hairs stand out a little more right there

I love the bump map especially around the neck and chest, the problem i found is that she looks greasy or wet right there, turn down the spec there

I still see problems with the ears. they look low polly right now. if you've had trouble with that, using another meshsmooth just on that area might help.
[/list=1]

[nat]

About the eyebrows: I don't think it's really necessary to show the hair...some women remove the hair from the eyebrows and redraw them with a make up pen sooo... (like Pamela Anderson for example...)
You guys should read more female magazines :)

[slackjaw10]

This is one of the most realistic CG humans I've seen. Why isn't this in the finished section yet? Are you waiting to add a background or something?

[Drakaran]

ear looks better but there are still a couple artifacts on the top and back of the ear. unfortunately, the bump on the lip is a little overdone, but the color is nice. the skin is looking awesome and the blemishes are rockin! I think if ya can fix the ear and the lip bump, ya got it misu! as before, this is AWESOME work!

[mickatt]

very nice rendering

just a little touch on the back of the hair

she looks very nice !!!

[Turmata]

that CG woman was pretty amazing.....;-)
Congratulation!

I have just model a realistic woman face, but i search now a good tutorial to create the texture of is face. Color and bump were urgent for me....

A Korean Girl Face.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smoluck/forum/visage.jpg


Do you know a Detailed Tutorial to create the good texture ????

[tyio]

thanks to share your xp (yahoo, level 2 le tyio, )

Could you speak a little about eye's shader.? (and jacket ;)

Thanks, good work, i want long hair (better ;)

[konst]

Wery nice and realistic model. It is like she is alive...and she is realy pretty.

Just one thing...her ear....it is like it is glowing.

[kobeone]

This is a really great model, A++++. I am new to 3d and I am modeling a character right now and I just wanted to know how did you get you skin texture to look so realistic, is there any tutorials you can recommend. Thanks for any help

[misu]

Hey ! Thx or reply :)
Here is the update :
http://www.xmg.ro/mihai/cg/rade_test84l.jpg

[azazel]

She's lovely. The smile is spot on :)

[markdc]

A very beautiful model. The expression is realistic. Great work.

Are you working on a body?

[Lourdelle]

Soo beautiful work, can you make differents expressive render ??

[Max4ever]

I think you should post it on finished work...it's perfect the way it is right now. ;)
thumbs up!

[PhilOsirus]

Yes, it's perfect, but PLEASE, give her an expression other than "cheese!". Like her eyes squinting a bit, head bent over the left or right a little, raised chin a bit, and a nice smile:)

[caliman]

hi misu
wow great work
funny to see here another romanian
ciao
Mark

[tyio]

nice !

speak about your eye shader please :)

The jacket isn't as good as the last one, in leather :drool:

Let's begin long hair !!, and change a little the angle of cam for rendering

How many time to get the pic rendered ?

[ssloan]

Perfect, Beautiful
The shirt could use some slight bump or something to give it that added real look (unless your going for a silk look), but other than that, the face is perfect.
I think the shirt gives a warmer feel then the jacket, i like it better.
are you planning for an animation, that would be so cool!

[allenatl]

One of the best models I've seen as far as realism. The textures are great! My only crit is that the ear is slightly blocky around the edges but I can live with it. You should go ahead and post it in the finished works.

[shade_E]

Love the Expression in the eyes! great emotion!

[Drakaran]

you need to put some serious reins on that bump map, it's doing some weird effects to the skin. it's especially evident near the back of the neck under the necklace.

I like the shirt you put on her, but would suggest giving it a more pronounced velvet effect, like adding some textured spec to the cloth.

[Mechis]

Would you post a few details about your technique for doing the hair? I've never seen poly hair that looked this good!

How many planes did you use to make the layers for the hair? Do they all have the same textures applied? Or did you offset them somehow? Can we see larger pics of your hair texture maps?

Also, how did you "style" the hair? With so many layers, I think it's amazing that you were able to keep the layers close together like real hair, styled and they are not intersecting at all. How did you do that?

Also, have you experimented with long hair? Or hair that isn't straight?

Very cool!

[Morbid Angel]

for the record vray does have sss
good work, but it is a bit off on skin shader - just a though

[SithHappens]

Can we see the textures you used in ur glossines, reflect, bump etc plz? Great job misu, how many lights on there btw?
=)

[Kel Solaar]

I have just seen the final picture and this is a purely amazing work! From modelling (and creating the expression) every step is very well executed!

[MADEC]

I love it ... me too :p

[josiah]

Magnificent work!

Thank you for sharing it with us!

Could you please post more details/pics on your skin material shader?
How did you do the eyebrows, with spline hairs?

And the eyes are fabulous! Can you give us any info please?

[gustavogf]

Man, your work is awesome... I really whish I could absorb some of your aknowledgment by just seeing the wires and the maps used in the model...

But pratically all of the images are with a broken link...
Can you please correct it for us, so we can just see how your work was done?

Thanks and CONGRATULATIONS!

[Tigerdog]

Hi Misu, could you please explain how you used a hdri as your only lighting but still have a specular effect? is it through the reflectiveness of the skin material? and if so how you got it to reflect softley. I thought maybe a blurred hdri in the enviroment slot but then even the hair dosnt cause a harsh refltion on the skin anywhere either. Please help? - Could you please post a pic with all reflectiveness off.
Or if you didnt achive the specular effet through reflection how did you do it? Is it a vray thing?

Im using max and brazil and as soon as i only use a hdri for lighting i lose any specular, glossiness and specular level stop affecting the material. I can counter this by using a blurred version of the lighting hdri in the enviro slot and bumping up the reflect but then any other objects in the scene are also reflected but these arnt blurred :( - I cant just exclude these reflections either though because these objects are part of the scene and therefor should affect the specular reflections of other objects.
Hope what im saying makes some sence :)

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