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FFuryFX
09-07-2003, 01:03 AM
So I started playing with painter, and here are a few things I am confused with, I am sure there will be more, but these are all that are on my mind for now, feel free to post your other newbie question too, and hopefully some master will enlighten us.

when you do cg, do you ever use the waterpainting brushes in painter? it seems waterpainting cannot achieve smooth blending and is used for images that actually want to exhibit lota strokes?

when using your brush, for example, the standard opaque round, sometimes it is really annoying to have to draw details with a circular brush, but I don't want to tone down the size because I want a quick stroke, so do you manually adjust the angle of a brush, or create your own custom brushes

how come when sometimes I use a brush with a dark color and draw over another color, I get white on the peripheral of the brush!? feels like I am dabbing water on the canvas so beside putting down the dark paint, the surrounding actually turns white!?

wut is the best way to blend? are there brushes that while the center is saturated with the paint but the peripheral are "feathered" out with less opacity so the stroke will blend well without any after treatment?

Swoop
09-07-2003, 08:25 PM
First off i'm only gonna answer some of your questions, and comment that not your whole post was coherent and make sense..

Watercolors are used to make (amazingly enough) the look that real watercolors make.
I guess it's not used for "cg" as you call it... but for digital painting i see alot of people use it for it's unique look. Gives some nice effects...
You ask alot about blending.. and painter has some nice features here...
In painter 8 the catagory blending has all the nice features for blending.Try using the tool "just add water" It is a combination of the smudge tool, and a normal blender.. it's amazing for blending colors...

Also i believe the features of the brushes can set them to smudge, and in other ways affect the underluying colors when painting. Resat and bleed are the options you want to look into...
good tutorial here:
http://www.ethereality.info/ethereality_website/goodies/tutorials/Lunatique%20-%20Painter%20tips%20and%20tricks.pdf?t=30380&highlight=

It's important you understand that painter is designed to act and feel like real world painting.. therefore painting with certain effects also change underluing colors, and the watercolors are great examples...

But try the "blenders" category of pens and you should learn a great deal about getting th eblends correct...

TheDarkKnight
09-07-2003, 10:46 PM
First excuse my bad english, i hope you understand everything.

Here are a my tips for blending. I'm using Painter not for long but i find a good Method to blend my Pics. (Painter 7)

First of all, i paint my pics and put in the colour, very rough and with big brush strokes. Paint a bit over the colours it's looking better after blending :o)

Then i take the Palette knife and turn the resat to 0 and blood for example to 30.
After that you have something like a dry brush. I paint over the colour and "mix" them a little bit so it doesn't look so rough.

And the final procedure is the "Just add water" tool. Turn resat to 0 and then paint over the picture. It need a bit of work that it look good, but it's not very hard to do. :)

I use this for my pics and it work well, try it if you like :wavey:

Jinbrown
09-08-2003, 05:07 AM
Hi folks,

A few tips to help you get the best possible answers and have the best chance of anyone wanting to answer you. This has nothing at all to do with good or bad English, just understanding that you're talking about Painter, not another program and you need to be clear in stating what you're talking about:

1. Use Painter terminology. If you're not sure what that is, look at the interface, menus, palette menus, and hold your cursor over icons for a few seconds to display their names. Look in the Brush Category list. Look in the Brush Variant list.

2. Always say what Painter version you're using and if you're using a version with an Update or patch, specify the Update or patch number. For instance, Painter 7 without the Update or Painter 7.1.357 with the Update installed. It does make a difference!

3. Understand that, in Painter, there is only one "tool" related to brushes. That's the Brush tool found in the Tools palette. Everything else is either a Brush Library, Brush Category, or Brush Variant. The Brush tool has to be selected in order to draw or paint with any Brush Category's Brush Variant.

4. Understand the Painter brush hierarchy (organization):

Brush Library > Brush Category > Brush Variant

The default Painter Brush Library is named Painter Brushes.

Inside the Painter Brushes library are a large number of Brush Categories. For instance, Acrylics, Airbrushes, Artists, Blenders, Calligraphy, Chalk, Charcoal, etc.

Inside each Brush Category are a number of Brush Variants. For instance, in the Acrylics category, these are some of the Brush Variants: Captured Bristle, Dry Brush (multiple sizes), Glazing Acrylic (multiple sizes), and so on.

5. If you're asking about Painter's brushes, always specify what Brush Category and Brush Variant you're using.

FFuryFX,

In traditional media, the term is "watercolor". In Painter, the term is Water Colors. That's the Brush Category that contains all of the Water Color Brush Variants. In Painter 8, we also have the Digital Water Colors Brush Category.

Yes, people do use Painter's Water Colors and Digital Water Colors for both fine art painting and digital graphics. They can be used for any image.

Any painting can be smoothed, or blended, even Painter's Water Colors. You just have to know how to do it. Depending on exactly what your image contains, the procedure would vary.

"Toning down" the Opaque Round Brush Variant's size is not going to make it less round. A Brush Variant that does not allow Angle adjustment, naturally, can't have its Angle adjusted.

Of course people manually adjust Painter's Brush Variants, as they also create their own custom Brush Variants and save them. Painter offers thousands of possibilities and most serious artists using Painter take advantage of them to customize things for their own work style.

You may be getting white on the brushstroke's edges because you're using a Brush Variant that has blending characteristics. It may also be that you're using a Brush Variant that has blending characteristics on transparent areas of a Layer. This will result in white edges. There are things you can do to prevent this but each option has its own side effects so it's important to know exactly what you're trying to accomplish, including what your image is made up of, Canvas only, Canvas and Layers, Layers set to Composite Methods other than Default, and exactly what Brush Variants you've used and are now using and if they've been used on the Canvas, on the same Layer, or on different Layers.

"wut is the best way to blend?" If you expect serious people to give you serious answers, skip the "wuts" and try to spell words so everyone can easily read and understand them. You're asking for another person's (or a lot of people's) time, so give them that courtesy, especially when you're attempting to describe something having to do with Painter.

What is the best way to blend? You'll have to decide that for yourself, just as you'll have to decide a lot of things yourself when it comes to using Painter. Your decisions should be based on personal experience, not just what others tell you.

There is nothing to stop you from opening a large Canvas, painting some color on it, then experimenting with Brush Variants that have blending characteristics. In Painter 7, these are found in several Brush Categories, but begin with those found in the Liquid Brush Category.

In Painter 8, again these are found in several Brush Categories, but begin with those found in the Blenders Brush Category.

Read the Painter User Guide. It will save both you and others a lot of time. There is no way to learn Painter without digging in and working at it.. on your own. Then when you have very specific questions arising out of having experienced Painter yourself, ask them clearly and specifically.

Well, I'd best go spell check this before posting, after the lecture on spelling. :D

ramrod
09-08-2003, 04:04 PM
My first post.....to thank you Jinbrown for a most excellent answer/post (including the lecture)...you too swoop and you Darknight (YOUR english is fine :) ).

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