....and the Topic of the next challenge will be

[Alekzsander]

The Oceans..

:)

-R



???????????????????????????????????????????????''''

[Clanger]

Billy Ocean?

[VelvetElvis]

11,12, or 13?

[RobertoOrtiz]

details will be posted soon..

But I would love to read your guesses...
-R

[AET23]

sea creatures ?

[rob0tik]

Ocean's Eleven, Twelve, and Thirteen?

[Clanger]

Captain Nemo?

[RobertoOrtiz]

Captain Nemo?
Great idea, but now.
Maybe we could do in the future
The many worlds of Jules Verne,
Or Victorian Sci-fi..

[japetus]

The Mon Calimari and Admiral Akbar??

IT'S A TRAP!

[RageOfAges]

BBC's Planet Earth: The Oceans ?

[RobertoOrtiz]

BBC's Planet Earth: The Oceans ?

And just in time for Eath day...
:)

[japetus]

BBC's Planet Earth: The Oceans ?

Would be cool if it's ocean's and the things underneath, would be fun to do bioluminscent crazy stuff :)

[RobertoOrtiz]

Would be cool if it's ocean's and the things underneath, would be fun to do bioluminscent crazy stuff :)

Anything living on our Earth Oceans is valid.
:)

-R

[CGOrange]

Anything living on our Earth Oceans is valid.

Haha, nice way of putting it

[RageOfAges]

Ooh. Looks like I was on the mark. Does anything extinct count? Either way, I've got a few ideas knockin' and echoing around this hollow dome I call a head.

-godeshus

[TiMrozek]

Oh this sounds cool. There has been some awesome stuff on the Life series on Discovery. Also, does this include awesome mythical sea creatures? Guess we'll find out soon. I think I may have the time to return to the challenges.

[varunbondwal]

mermaids ;) ???
:bounce:

[Clanger]

'Jar Jar Binks' I can feel the hate already.

[RageOfAges]

mermaids ;) ???
:bounce:


Made me laugh.

"Jar Jar Binks": Those three words make me so angry I want to kill kittens.

-rage

[japetus]

Made me laugh.

"Jar Jar Binks": Those three words make me so angry I want to kill kittens.

-rage

Yousa say people kitties gonna die??!!

[grantmoore3d]

Yousa say people kitties gonna die??!!

Those words made me laugh out loud *tear*

[RageOfAges]

Well I've already got about 300 mb of reference images. It seems Sea Turtles are quite photogenic.

-rage

[aovesen]

Its a very interesting topic, I got some ideas as to what I can do :) Look forward to get started. Will be nice to see more great modelling work from all the talented people on this forums. Onworth to new modelling adventures

[WyattHarris]

'Jar Jar Binks' I can feel the hate already.
Thankfully only Earth oceans. So Flapjack is cool. :thumbsup:

[valentious]

this could be about a fantasy ocean war where tribes of various region battle heroically for some reason against one common foe.

[mecos]

this one should be interesting. can't wait to see what you guys do!

[RobertoOrtiz]

Ok here are some basic rules.

It has to be based on EARTH OCEANS.
It has to be based on a REAL animal.
I am still debating about prehistoric animals...(this might be a completly separate challenge)

more soon.

-R

[jamesylvester]

edit : Scrap this, opened my mouth before reading your post properly roberto

sorry

[MugenTaikomochi]

Does it have to contain artwork for concept or do we just give in a 3D model?
And for when? :)

[RageOfAges]

When can we expect this challenge to start Roberto? I've got next week off so monday would be perfect for me.

-rage

[RobertoOrtiz]

Give me one solid week.

-R

[valentious]

can we do any fictional modeling using the refference of animals or are we bounded to to reproduce an exact referencing of that animal???

i just need to get this clear cuz i was thing of doing some unique creatures.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Real life all the way.

But in the future I might do a future Sea monsters challenges
-R

[jamesylvester]

Hi Roberto, could you not be persuaded to opening this up to fictional/ mythological sea animals, had an idea that i wanted to do

maybe we could put it to a vote or something

[akacg]

Hi Roberto, could you not be persuaded to opening this up to fictional/ mythological sea animals, had an idea that i wanted to do

maybe we could put it to a vote or something

I agree maybe a vote?

[valentious]

we really should vote.we would like a room for creativity man,come on lets vote.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Sorry no for this one.
But you guys will see that I have a good rep for running with user suggestions.
-R

[valentious]

if this is ure final ans then it clarified then.
set up the info and lets get this show on the road max

[RobertoOrtiz]

if this is ure final ans then it clarified then.
set up the info and lets get this show on the road max

No prob..
Ill post the rules when I get back to DC (I am on holiday right now)

[RageOfAges]

Well enjoy your Holiday R.

I hope it's somewhere hot and sunny, where there's an ocean, tons of women in skimpy bikinis, and all the artwork and architecture your eyes can soak in.

-rage

[valentious]

and we know how u do fun.
caribbean mn want cg challenge on the way

[pBarrelas]

Great idea, but now.
Maybe we could do in the future
The many worlds of Jules Verne,
Or Victorian Sci-fi..

Now that would be great!! :D

[Alekzsander]

Well, i don't see anything interest in that .( real animal )
I would like to do anymal from Europe moon or other planets :).

I think, we should vote to see what is gonna be the next challenge :)

[Intervain]

yeah I read 'real animal' and my instant reaction was - ok that's the next HMC I'm out of... I agree about the vote

[valentious]

yeah I read 'real animal' and my instant reaction was - ok that's the next HMC I'm out of... I agree about the vote

i agree with the voting option
but it seem its not up 2 us this time.
i might sit this one out also.
depending on the rules restrictions.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Magdalena i respect your opinion a lot.

Make your case.

-R

[Intervain]

Thanks a lot Roberto - well personally I feel that a bit more 'creative freedom' will encourage more people to participate in the challenge [the response to this tread proves it, I think]. There's so much potential in the subject 'oceans' to create fantastical creatures as well as real-life animals. I believe we should allow the participants to choose either. Let's make it akin to those 18nth and 19nth century naturalist books [like Louis Renard's Book of Fantastic Fish with a mermaid in their midst] that had both on their pages as if both existed :) It's much more fun.

[angel]

I like the idea of making it based on real animals, similar to the "Animal in Motion" challenge, that turned out great IMHO. There is lots of potential leaving it wide open but it is a challenge after all right?

[TiMrozek]

Intervain: I would have to participate in that one, I think I've pitched that exact idea a few times now :). I might be in regardless just because I haven't been in for awhile, but I would love doing a fantasy "real" sea creature.

[robo3687]

creative freedom is always good and i think opening it up to fantasy type entries for "oceans" is a good idea....we can only have so many fish,whales and sharks....

but i also reckon sometime soon we need to have a challenge where everyone models the same thing....like the old david or big ben challenges....

one other idea for a challenge would be a comics based challenge....i think the idea had been thrown around before....to do a model based on either your own or a popular representation of a comic book character....i think that could be really really interesting....

just food for thought......

[Intervain]

I like the idea of making it based on real animals, similar to the "Animal in Motion" challenge, that turned out great IMHO. There is lots of potential leaving it wide open but it is a challenge after all right?

yes there's lots out there but I'm not eliminating them - I'd say allow both

[GregStrangis]

I have to agree with a few people here. When I saw that it was real animals only I wasn't interested in trying to make time to do something. But the idea of us being able to create our own fantasy creature or go from a already existing one opens up the canvas much more.

[RageOfAges]

Sorry, but I don't think that the creative freedom argument holds a whole lot of weight in this situation. There are thousands if not millions of creatures that live in the ocean that look like they come out of fantastic fairy tales and nightmares, and if you're making up a sea creature, chances are there's something similar that actually exists in our oceans today. Every year almost we discover oceanic animals that we thought were extinct.

This was posted on the CG General Discussions forum last week:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yahooeditorspicks/galleries/72157623618461809

There are also millions of different types of Coral, from tiny little strings to giant mushrooms with poisonous tentacles, Benign Sea Cucumbers to Anemones that devour animals slowly like the Sarlacc pit monster from Star Wars.

With Oceans occupying 3/4 of our Earth's surface, and going miles deep in some areas, it is the realm of swimming, walking and flying Wonders. A CG artist's paradise all on its own.

Simply do a google search on "real life sea monsters" and the first page alone will show you life forms you've never even dreamed of.

I can maybe understand including prehistoric sea animals, as they are the building blocks of the wildlife we see today, but even then we are still discovering life that dates back to the age of the Dinosaurs. Sturgeons that have been around for 100 million years and the like.

All in all, I feel like our earth houses INCREDIBLE wonders that we can recreate without the need to dive into our imaginations. Some of those wonders are so bizarre that they haven't come close to what we can dream up.

Regardless, though, I suppose it's important to cater to the participants, and if the majority want to include fantastical marine life out of their imaginations, then that should be the road we go down, As mentioned before, a vote would probably be the best solution.

Happy modeling everyone

-rage

[japetus]

Sorry, but I don't think that the creative freedom argument holds a whole lot of weight in this situation. There are thousands if not millions of creatures that live in the ocean that look like they come out of fantastic fairy tales and nightmares, and if you're making up a sea creature, chances are there's something similar that actually exists in our oceans today. Every year almost we discover oceanic animals that we thought were extinct.

-rage

I've stayed out of this, but just have to agree with Rage here. This contest makes me think of Blue Planet or Planet Earth documentaries. If people think that the only cool thing to make is whales, sharks, and dolphins, go watch some of that stuff, it's nuts. There is tons of awesome tiny plants, animals, and organisms in the ocean.

[jamesylvester]

I think you have a valid point rage, there are alot of incredibly interesting creatures living in our oceans. but when i suggested opening it up to fictional creatures, i didn't mean that the people wanting to model existing animals should be excluded. just thought that people who maybe wanted to create something original could get involved too.
would love to see some krakens, leviathans, hydras, sirens, davey jones type people, robofish(one for the hard-surface guys) and sharks with fricken laser beams attached to their heads.

ok maybe not the last one

was godzilla a sea creature? he came out of the sea right?

[MightyReg]

This particular challenge looks very interesting, if I have time I may give it a shot. I love wildlife and recreating sea creatures would be very nice.


RagesofAges: It couldn't be explained better, I feel that way too. There are tons of different fishes, sharks, plants, mammals, turtles, seals, squids and octopuses, crustaceans, little organisms (and if extinct animals are allowed the choices would be even wider), etc that exist in the oceans.

It's hard to not find any inspiration in all of this, come on!

[WyattHarris]

was godzilla a sea creature? he came out of the sea right?
He certainly was. Gigan however, came from space.

[Alekzsander]

Well , when do we vote ? and
- When does the challenge start?

[Intervain]

Sorry, but I don't think that the creative freedom argument holds a whole lot of weight in this situation.
with all due respect - that's a load of codswallop - it holds weight very well. Yes there are millions of sea creatures, we know, but it doesn't automatically mean that inventing some more is irrelevant to the subject. It's not very creative to do what's already out there. It's a good exercise for sure but doesn't employ much creativity and a lot of artists would prefer to use other talents than rotoscoping, especially if it's to be fun... :shrug: And as we've said we'd add creativity and not make it exclusive, so the real creatures would be permissible too well just MHO

[valentious]

when i say creativity wouldn't kill the show.give us that freedom man ..you see how many are in favor of some creative freedom here man..

whats the government without the society uhh???

open this for a vote

[TiMrozek]

Maggie used "codswallop" so I think she wins this argument by default. Actually I see both sides of this. Personally I want to hear exactly what Roberto had planned since he did say he had a reason for saying "no fantasy creatures". I think either way this will be a cool challenge and either way there is a good chance I'll be doing a leafy sea-dragon or something similar. So there it is, I called that one. Don't steal my idea! :D

[cbeese]

both subjects are good, but if that many people are going to dip out let the fantasy types in as well i say

[axiomatic]

Compromise? Two categories: Real Ocean Inhabitants and Fantasy Ocean Inhabitants.

Then we can have one of those vote off's competitions where the two camps fight each other for ultimate dominance: "Great White Shark eats Sabastian from the Little Mermaid (5 votes to 3) in the left corner while the Clown Fish is dragged down to Y'ha-nthlei by the Deep Ones (2 votes to 7) in the right corner"

cackle.

[RobertoOrtiz]

It does not work that way...

Ok we go live in a few days.

-R

[Yatsuzuka]

As much as I would like to do a fantasy underwater creature. Roberto already picked out the theme before hand. So I think we should respect that decision and do only real-world creature. It is called Hardcore Modeleling Challenge. It's supposed to be a challenge and I think it'd be a good challenge to create good looking models from real world animals. And I agree with RageOfAges that there are a lot weird underwater creatures to model, not just sharks and fishes.

[Alekzsander]

As much as I would like to do a fantasy underwater creature. Roberto already picked out the theme before hand. So I think we should respect that decision and do only real-world creature. It is called Hardcore Modeleling Challenge. It's supposed to be a challenge and I think it'd be a good challenge to create good looking models from real world animals. And I agree with RageOfAges that there are a lot weird underwater creatures to model, not just sharks and fishes.


What is the interesting in doing something that already exist ???????????.

And is not CREATE is COPY something in that is absolutely really really BORING .
I believe WE SHOULD VOTE ,all the people who is gonna participate , that is the BEST decision we can do .

Now who is favor I'm in favor of democracy

[Clanger]

What is the interesting in doing something that already exist ???????????.

And is not CREATE is COPY something in that is absolutely really really BORING .
I believe WE SHOULD VOTE ,all the people who is gonna participate , that is the BEST decision we can do .

Now who is favor I'm in favor of democracy

Because this is the hardcore modelling challenge with the emphasis on modelling not creating. If you model something straight out of you mind how do we know how close you got?

[RobertoOrtiz]

Because this is the hardcore modelling challenge with the emphasis on modelling not creating. If you model something straight out of you mind how do we know how close you got?

Agreed...

Animals in Motion was an incredible challenge.

The point of HCR modeling is that sometime we have to model things constrained with the rules of nature.

And hell I have in mind a challenge based on CLOTHING. That should be a blast.

[Alekzsander]

Well , i'm not agree .
Doing something like this ?. Well the draw looks nice but is not HARD anyway for me or somebody else :).


http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/carlos_tetris/899_realsize.jpg



The hardcore modelling , you see in the quality of the detail somebody can do , real animal or not :).


Let's VOTE . The people that are interesting in doing the next challenge

[japetus]

What is the interesting in doing something that already exist ???????????.

And is not CREATE is COPY something in that is absolutely really really BORING .
I believe WE SHOULD VOTE ,all the people who is gonna participate , that is the BEST decision we can do .

Now who is favor I'm in favor of democracy

If you don't like the topic, join the next challenge then, simple as that. Forums aren't democracies, Roberto has a plan and a reason, let him stick with it. The Weta challenge was to copy, 80's action figure was a copy, and I found the art produced in those to be amazing and original. You still have a lot of creative freedom, you can make a bust, pose it how you want, all sorts of stuff. You're still only limited by your imagination. If you have no interest, don't join the challenge.

[Alekzsander]

If you don't like the topic, join the next challenge then, simple as that. Forums aren't democracies, Roberto has a plan and a reason, let him stick with it. The Weta challenge was to copy, 80's action figure was a copy, and I found the art produced in those to be amazing and original. You still have a lot of creative freedom, you can make a bust, pose it how you want, all sorts of stuff. You're still only limited by your imagination. If you have no interest, don't join the challenge.

The only thing you forgot to tell .
" Get out of you are bothering here ,
We are not a DEMOCRACY , we do what we want to do ."

Well , i don't see any reason that we can vote here what is your afraid ?.
because Oceans ????' Don't looks anything attrative .
And roberto don't give any good reason that really convince me sorry but this is the true . :(

Well , i was thinking i leave this because i'm tired to discuss but i'm leaving knowing the kind of people that found here :(.

[japetus]

The only thing you forgot to tell .
" Get out of you are bothering here ,
We are not a DEMOCRACY , we do what we want to do ."

Well , i don't see any reason that we can vote here what is your afraid ?.
because Oceans ????' Don't looks anything attrative .
And roberto don't give any good reason that really convince me sorry but this is the true . :(

Well , i was thinking i leave this because i'm tired to discuss but i'm leaving knowing the kind of people that found here :(.

Don't take it so personally. I'm saying that you can wait for the challenge after this one if you don't like the topic. Perhaps some people consider it hardcore and challenging. Perhaps some people like the challenge and topic of this. Let's wait and see what Roberto has planned.

[MightyReg]

What is the interesting in doing something that already exist ???????????.

And is not CREATE is COPY something in that is absolutely really really BORING .

Well good luck finding a modeling job in the industry where you can create. Normally the modelers always copy, since the creative job is normally done by the concept artists.

And you make it sound like copying a real life creature is absolutely boring and that it's a fact.
It's only your opinion, I actually think it is very interesting to try modeling a real animal or person, I find it very challenging and it's fun and rewarding to see the end result.

I do enjoy doing models that I created myself as personnal projects, sure is really fun to do! However I never find them as challenging as trying to model real life, and normally when I participate in these contests, it's to have a real challenge and become better at modeling.

Just my 2 cent, not saying everyone is like me :)

[robo3687]

methinks Alekzsander needs to lighten up a little

as has been said several times, if you don't like the topic, don't join...join the next one...i've skipped a few challenges because i wasn't fond of the subject and no one will think less of you....

carrying on and on about how it isn't 'fair' and that you don't get to 'create' won't get you anywhere....there's a reason roberto's in charge...

we can always make suggestions but he has the final say...and he's had the final say on the subject so live with it....

plus there's no reason you can't do something creative with a real ocean creature....think outside the box and don't get hung up on the fact you have to make something 'real'

[TKMan]

wow!
Roberto started this challenge as fun project, so he makes the rules.

the hardcore part comes from creating something highly detailed in a very short time.
It makes no difference if the model is something realistic or something freestyle.
In fact, realistic is even more challenging because you will have a picture reference and you can easily spot wrong proportions/ shapes/mass distribution.
Since this is a modeling challenge, the problems you face with texturing and shading a model to be realistic is not part of it :-)

As a modeler you will almost always build the ideas/wishes of somebody else.

[razeverius]

does the challenge only revolve around sea creatures? Because my thesis for school has an underwater theme. It would be nice if I could also join in in making underwater scenes since I'm in charge of background within the group. Also, it's been a long time since I've joined an HMC :)

[Intervain]

Agreed...

Animals in Motion was an incredible challenge.

The point of HCR modeling is that sometime we have to model things constrained with the rules of nature.



well I say not you have to create, I say allow to create if somebody wishes it... and yes you'd do somebody else's stuff at work but dammit it's not a job test but somethig we're to enjoy but whatevah, I'll just skip this one LOL Just wanted to make a point I guess.

And hell I have in mind a challenge based on CLOTHING. That should be a blast.
omg I hope this one comes soon, clothes are my fav thing to do :bounce: :arteest: :bounce: Well you win hehehe

[TimCallaway]

That sounds like a lot of fun!

[TheRazorsEdge]

The hardcore modelling , you see in the quality of the detail somebody can do ......

Jeez, that's exactly the kind of attitude that produces work lacking in the most fundamental aspects! Real quality is found in overall form such as silhouette and contour. Fine detail is the simple part. Just add an alpha to your brush and apply it. That's all there is to it, if you ask me.

Reproducing real things and creatures as accurately as possible is the best exercise you can get as an artist wanting to really improve your skills. So what's the issue with you guys objecting/insisting on inclusion of fantasy creatures? Afraid the "quality" of your work will be found inadequate due to only a minimal amount of "artistic license" permitted?

Real ocean creatures sounds plenty of fun. I'll join in if I can find the time. :)

Cheers!

[robo3687]

roberto said that entries are to be BASED ON real ocean creatures....

didn't say they had to be 100% accurate recreations of a creature....

want your freedom and creativity? it was given to you in 2 words "based" and "on"

a pistol packing goldfish? tick
gangster walrus? tick
underwater kart racing jellyfish? tick

now i may have read his intention wrong....but it seems to me that options like the above should be entirely eligible.....

flex your creative muscles guys and make the topic work for you....

[valentious]

set up the rules and regu-z and let start then

[RageOfAges]

set up the rules and regu-z and let start then

Indeed. When can we expect the challenge to start Roberto? I've got a turtle in my head and it's trying to squirm itself onto canvas.

-rage

[RobertoOrtiz]

Sorry guys,

I have an INSANE dateline for Thursday Morning, and I have a very hyper client...(you know the "creative type" with no concept of time)

I will post the challenge Thursday night...

[japetus]

Sorry guys,

I have an INSANE dateline for Thursday Morning, and I have a very hyper client...(you know the "creative type" with no concept of time)

I will post the challenge Thursday night...

Those are always my favorites... ;) Good luck!

[RobertoOrtiz]

Still working on the nightmare project....

The dateline is in 24 hours

[TiMrozek]

Oh the anticipation! I'm on a nice tight deadline today too. Must be the day for government/ DC area deadlines. Good luck Roberto. Lookin forward to seeing the details of the new challenge.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Hey Tim,
How did your project go?
We are done!
Remind me to tell you at SIGGRAPH about the "pepetalk" we got from the client 20 minuted before the dateline WHILE WE WERE STILL RENDERING and doing the layouts.

Anyway we are done, I will post the challenge tonight.

-R

[TiMrozek]

Ha, sounds like a fun client to work with. I ran into some mental ray issues when rendering but all done, submitted last night around 9pm so I don't in fact have to work over the weekend fortunately. It was a pretty simple 3 week project so nothing too impressive but I got it out on time so I'm happy. Lookin forward to seeing the posting for this new challenge, I haven't had the pleasure of competing for a few rounds.

[valentious]

come on guys lets do this.

[Xidon]

Hey Roberto, I was curious on the flexability of the "oceans creatures"? are creatures like crocodiles accepted since they are more lakes and river dwelling animals? And how about animals like polar bears? They spend a decent amount of time in and around the oceans.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Hey Roberto, I was curious on the flexability of the "oceans creatures"? are creatures like crocodiles accepted since they are more lakes and river dwelling animals? And how about animals like polar bears? They spend a decent amount of time in and around the oceans.

Yes of Course!

[robo3687]

roberto a few posts back i raised the possibility of some more creative types of entries being allowed....

such as:
a pistol packing goldfish
gangster walrus
underwater kart racing jellyfish

are those kind of entries kosher? or a we strictly looking at realistic animals here? i think it'd be fun to have a few entries like that

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