Someone decided to copy C4D...

[Per-Anders]

hey it's got a few features i wouldnt mind in cinema (catmull & loop variants of subd, render manager etc). hmm, lets find the downloads page... :D

[manlio]

It is really a very bad clone of C4d. A lot of icons are almost the same. :blush:

[squidinc]

impressive gallery :D

http://homepage.mac.com/mwengenm/Cheetah3D/gallery.html

[hmmdonuts]

Originally posted by squidinc
impressive gallery :D

http://homepage.mac.com/mwengenm/Cheetah3D/gallery.html

Hahaha, that's pretty good - I also like the first paragraph on the front page - "...with a steep learning curve."

Cheers

hmmdonuts

[DELTAadmin]

This app seems to be developed for children, If I had a mac I would show it to my two little boys

[stew]

How is that a C4D copy?

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by stew
How is that a C4D copy?


Same icons? Same interface? Same Object Manager? Same colours? Same concept? :rolleyes:

[stew]

Or could just as well be copied from Maya, 3ds or Pixels:3d...having an arrow icon for the selection tool or cirlces for rotating is nothing Maxon invented. In contrast, this application at least has a MacOS X native interface which Cinema4D clearly hasn't.. (menu bar anyone?).

[kiwi]

:hmm: I am wondering if someone is just having a laugh,because ripping off C4D then using the name Cheetah whch is supposedly the name of the next Max OS after Panther,just makes me wonder.Or maybe the guy is a complete moron.

[kiwi]

Ok I see its for real :rolleyes:



As for the gallery I cant say I have ever seen procedural materials looking quite so procedural :)

[mt_sabao]

Stop beeing so picky, you guys! C4D is great, but the others have to start somewhere else, right?

This is one hell of a childish attitude :shame:

[pit]

but the others have to start somewhere else

mt_sabao: That´s exactly the problem discussed. This guy does not start somewhere else, but picks up Cinema as a base for his development.

Let me cite what you told me a couple of days ago: "If you don´t want to comment, then don´t". Try at least to live up to your own standards! You seem only to post, when you can scold or educate the users here in "good manners" and "correct behaviour". To each his own. Or did I overlook mt_sabaos rules for posting somewhere?! Chill....

[knight42]

Call me "Jonny Sceptical" but I'm sure there's something wrong here. Look at the interface - different font sizes on different parts of the screen, the viewport is identical to C4D. It's all a bit spooky. :)

It's like a broken calculator - it don't add up...

J

[ThirdEye]

"Or could just as well be copied from Maya, 3ds or Pixels:3d..."

1) the icons are an ugly C4D ripoff for both the design and their position in the gui

2) I didn't know Maya, 3DS and Pixels:3D are based upon the Object Manager, strange. Is this an invention of yours?


"having an arrow icon for the selection tool or cirlces for rotating is nothing Maxon invented."

I NEVER said it, where did you read that? Another invention? Or did you copy it from somewhere else?


"In contrast, this application at least has a MacOS X native interface which Cinema4D clearly hasn't.. (menu bar anyone?)."

C4D is simultaneously developed for both Windows and MacOS, it's prolly the only hi end 3D package which is not simply ported to Mac from Win.

[mt_sabao]

Pit:
I´m not trying to be unfriendly or sound patronizing, but i just thought this was a professional forum, where i could find professional people, with professional attitudes.

But, hey: :beer:

[stew]

Originally posted by kiwi
:hmm: I am wondering if someone is just having a laugh,because ripping off C4D then using the name Cheetah whch is supposedly the name of the next Max OS after Panther,just makes me wonder.Or maybe the guy is a complete moron.
Cheetah was, ironically, the codename of MacOS 10.0.

Other than that, I'm out of this childish thread. If "it has a toolbar on top, it must be a Cinema 4D clone" is the only thing we have to discuss about a new app that apparently no one even has used so far, I feel sorry for this forum. The first Amiga versions of Cinema 4D were just as un-featureful as this app and they didn't have a toolbar on top (it was a Photoshop-like floating palette).

[ThirdEye]

No, it doesn't have a simple toolbar on top. It has almost the same toolbar C4D has. The icons are the same, the functions are the same, the way the icons are grouped is the same. The workflow IS the same, if you know C4D you know its d&d architecture used in the object manager, i never met this kind of architecture in any other program. Cheetah3D copies this architecture, the icons, their function, their disposition, the managers and the viewports. What else should it copy to make you understand this is a C4D ripoff? The C4D name? It's already been registered, i'm sorry.

[pit]

@ mt_sabao: I do think this is a professional forum etc. most of the time, but sometimes people got bad hair days which sneek into the posts. Normal and no big deal.

And ofcourse: :beer: !!

[CosmicBear]

okay, i'm downloading the program :)

the good thing is - you don't have to get used to new icons. i find maya and lightwave quite confusing at the beginning ;)

hey, maybe there'll be a cinema-copy for sale soon? HE HE HE

[jddog]

well this sound like Metacreation applications, something easy to use with a lot of stuff for creating fast and having fun with a "light" application...

A mix with Carrara, Bryce ??? and c4d icons... no???

well sure impressive gallery, lol...


(sigh... I got dreams that metacreation continue to live...)


;) jdd

[ndat]

Well he said he built it from the ground up, thats pretty impresive to me. Personally I dont think its a copy of c4d that much, it kinda looks alot like maya too. BUt whatever I stiil have to buy this guy a beer because it is pretty impresive that he has managed to make it.

[Erik Heyninck]

If you can't beat them: join them.

I suppose this guy is looking for a job at Maxon. If he invented all that and wrote all the code in his spare time, he's a real genius and should be given his own cell in the Maxon Monastery.
Hahahaa.

[CosmicBear]

okay, i've played around with the app for a while now. it is actually not a copy of cinema, more likely a mixture of cinema and maya :p

but there are some parts which are actually quite like cinema. and i am not talking about the icons! for example: when you want to scale your object in cinema the ends of your axis become cubes and in rotation-mode they become spheres, right? surprisingly (and a bit confusing) it's exactly the other way around in cheetah.

the materials look more like maya as does the object-manager...

i don't know (and don't care) if this app is a direct copy of cinema or another major-app, but the author should at least admit that he's been inspired by those programs. and as said above: writing all this code himself, he really should get a job at maxon. maybe he can implement n-gons? ;) :-D

[Kotayus]

ok...ill just go find a song and change its tempo...then ill change the name...and ill put in an extra verse...and market it as my own...and when all of you recognise it, ill say i built it from the ground up...and let you argue about what song it is, but you cant cause its mine...and i made it.

Its clearly a c4d rip, ok...maybe cheetah boy liked the icons, but as thirdeye said, the GUI is so similar its creepy... and its workflow, i agree 110% that this is a hardcore rip.

Course, i guess we can all reval in the fact...he copied c4d :P and not LW, max or maya :scream:

[ndat]

Originally posted by Kotayus
ok...ill just go find a song and change its tempo...then ill change the name...and ill put in an extra verse...and market it as my own...and when all of you recognise it, ill say i built it from the ground up...and let you argue about what song it is, but you cant cause its mine...and i made it.

Its clearly a c4d rip, ok...maybe cheetah boy liked the icons, but as thirdeye said, the GUI is so similar its creepy... and its workflow, i agree 110% that this is a hardcore rip.

Course, i guess we can all reval in the fact...he copied c4d :P and not LW, max or maya :scream:


A song and a program are pretty different, its not like he can take the source from maya and cinema and paste them togther. What he did is use the program he likes for a referance much like we do in head modeling, car modeling, ect...

I'm not trying to be rude I just dont see him as a no talent hack ripping people off left and right. It takes alot of time and skill to do something like this.

[Kirl]

He defenatly got the skill but meaby he lacks creativety.

But then again meaby not, you gotta have something to build on... :shrug:

[cerulean]

Question: What about brandy spanking noobs like myself? Would something like that enable a new user to learn/adapt to CD4? I have been looking into purchasing cinema, but lack the funds to do so this month, and prolly next month too. I have a pc as a desktop, and a mac for my laptop, & the only 3d progs like this that I currently have are wings 3d, and maya's ple, but Cinema holds the most appeal to me.

I guess what I'm trying to humbly ask is would something like this cheetah help me?

My attempts at using any 3d program are so new, & awkward, it's horrifying, & frustrating, but I guess everyone has to start to learn somewhere.

[JIII]

umm the cinema demo would help you.

on another note I do like cheetah if only it were original lol. its like a free copy of cinema but you can't drag the axes by clicking so its kinda annoying but ya. quite like c4d but the rendered is just as annoying as maya's

[cerulean]

oh & duhhh me..i have the cinema demo too....lol

I'm a dork...

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by stew
Or could just as well be copied from Maya, 3ds or Pixels:3d...having an arrow icon for the selection tool or cirlces for rotating is nothing Maxon invented. In contrast, this application at least has a MacOS X native interface which Cinema4D clearly hasn't.. (menu bar anyone?).

Thats partly because C4D is its own operating gui inside your OS, allowing it to be the exact same from OS 9 to OSX to Windows 95 to windows XP.

As for the pregram being a rip of C4d. I don't know you well or what app you use, but look at the editor screen shots, if I cropped in on those so none of the menus and such were visible, its the C4D editor exactly right down to the shading of the splines. Tha axis hadnles are all the exact same design (each apps design of it varies, these are definitely cinema's)

[JIII]

ahh but you see these axes need viagra.

they don't drag in one direction when you click on them.

[sinai_1]

I downloaded the app, and used it a bit;looks like a Cinema clone,but so what? If Maxon doesn't like it, they should sue him.But i wont be surprised to see a lot of people change their comments about the app(if its still arround in the next one year or so)...some decision makers in times gone by made comments thats similar to these about the technology of a then emerging power, and they were proved wrong. ....

[LucentDreams]

my point is even if the tools work differently, it seriously looks like he acquired some of the code or something. The editor is visually too identical to be a copy imo.

[Srek]

Hi,
nice little app with several similarities to CINEMA 4D and Maya. I realy don't think that any code has been used from either app. I found the interface laking many of the smaller workflow imrpovements i love in CINEMA but overall impressive work.
My congrats to the programer :)

As for mimicing other apps, i realy don't see a problem there. For years every SW company and every developer had a good look at what others do and how. Take the CINEMA Soft IK that you will find in a different form in the coming LW release, or the CINEMA Attribute Manager that was available in similar form in other apps for years.
The main result of this is a healthy competiton to the advantage of the user.

Just my very personal 2 € cent ;)

Cheers
Srek

[Ibox]

ah, but does it have ngon support?

Is it ported to Win?

bah, humbug... :D

I am sure that if Maxon is concerned that they will do something, and if not then who cares? Try it out and use it if ya like it, if not carry on... in other words it's out of your hands anyways eh ;)

[Geespot]

I agree it too looks alot like C4D, but i'll doubt it will ever be in competition to it. It looks an early version to me, you never know if could radically change within the next few months.

Anyway if that app has something in the future C4D don't - like a modeling tool (which i doubt but), it would be easy for C4D users to pop over to it, use the tool then pop back in C4D :p

Also, i know this isn't a Wings3D forum but Wings3D is a clone of mirai or nendo or whatever and that cloned app if very useful indeed.

[squidinc]

lol, this thread is starting to sound a little crazy, it's not like he's selling it, and by just looking at the screenshots theres no way I'd ever mistake this for C4D

[kiwi]

Ya ok {admits grudgingly} I was to harsh :) ,considering I could not code my way out of a paper bag :blush:



I thought Cheetah was going to be the next Mac OS after Panther?,I have an atrociously crappy memory so I could be very wrong though.

[knight42]

while Bag.integrity>Escape_Integrity do
begin
Bag.HackWith(SharpStick);
end;

OT, but has anyone seen the TV advert for the Mac G5? with the guy getting blown through the wall? Pretty damn funny, I thought.

J

[flingster]

surely this software developed like this is a form of flattery for cinema users...

good luck to the guy...we all have to make a living:rolleyes:

[plsyvjeucxfw]

Creating a program, even if by copying, does require a certain amount of work. So I'll give this individual that.

The large object, camera, movement icons look like the Amorphium/Truespace type (i.e. strange and non-standard).

3 things make me think this might be a C4d rip off. 1) The use of tags. No other program I know of uses drop on tags to add features to objects. 2) The use of hierarchal sub-division. No other program requires you drop a base object into a subdivision object (or a lathe for that matter). and 3)German is listed as one of two languages available (supported?).

[JIII]

yea personally I don't think its all that much of an issue the really big copy is the axes those are pretty much exactly the same in appearence. Personally I have no clue why he didn't just make his own axes. I mean come on 5 minutes in any 3d program would give you the graphics.

[phaederus]

The use of hierarchal sub-division. No other program requires you drop a base object into a subdivision object
houdini although the ui is completely different

[JIII]

LOL I highly highly doubt anyone is gonna get accused of stealing houdini. I mean its got like what 15 users? no really but its not really a widely used app outside of some hollywood studios.

[anobrin]

Id really laugh my ass off if this program added FBX support by next week:scream:

[kiwi]

Originally posted by knight42
while Bag.integrity>Escape_Integrity do
begin
Bag.HackWith(SharpStick);
end;

OT, but has anyone seen the TV advert for the Mac G5? with the guy getting blown through the wall? Pretty damn funny, I thought.

J


:scream: the bag excellent I have never seen that before :thumbsup:



Ya we cant get blown through walls though if our G5s have not been delivered yet :D ...just a bit of current G5 delivery hassles humor.

[ThirdEye]

Originally posted by JIII
LOL I highly highly doubt anyone is gonna get accused of stealing houdini. I mean its got like what 15 users? no really but its not really a widely used app outside of some hollywood studios.


You're right JIII, but it's still one of the best apps out there, with one of the most powerful nodebased workflows, a great particle system and a seamless integration with PRMAN. Side fx just wants the high end, nothing else.

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