ksanim
09-02-2003, 05:43 AM
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
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AdamT
09-02-2003, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by ksanim
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
No, it's the most stabile 3D application around. Not sure what you mean by "performance" though.
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
No, it's the most stabile 3D application around. Not sure what you mean by "performance" though.
Per-Anders
09-02-2003, 07:44 AM
the things that will impact cinema besides the obvious are - graphics card, cinema has good ogl support, make the most of that. one problem it has right at the moment i hear is with wildcat cards apart from that it seems to play well with everything i've tried it on.
ram - the more memory you have the better and faster cinema will be.
aside from that all should be well. if you're at all concerned about how it will play with your system download the demo from www.maxon.net and try it out on your system (don't forget to enable Opengl in the viewports in the preferences, by default cinema starts up in software shading mode for safety's sake, but ogl is much much faster).
ram - the more memory you have the better and faster cinema will be.
aside from that all should be well. if you're at all concerned about how it will play with your system download the demo from www.maxon.net and try it out on your system (don't forget to enable Opengl in the viewports in the preferences, by default cinema starts up in software shading mode for safety's sake, but ogl is much much faster).
DELTAadmin
09-02-2003, 08:07 AM
Somehow it suffers a bit of windows' memory handling.
If u get the message 'out of memory', u are tricked by the opsysytem, since the same scene with fewer ram can be for say rendered under Mac OSX.
If u get the message 'out of memory', u are tricked by the opsysytem, since the same scene with fewer ram can be for say rendered under Mac OSX.
JamesMK
09-02-2003, 08:36 AM
On the other hand, if you're not forced to use W2K because of other apps you use, it doesn't hurt to test what would happen if you downgrade your OS...
The reason I'm bringing this up - it really doesn't have anything to do with Cinema per se - is that W2K does eat a lot more of your system resources than a more light-weight OS would.
Incidently, I recently rolled back to NT 4 after having used W2K for a couple of years, and it really made my computing life a lot better. Since I have VERY outdated hardware (466 MHz, 256 MB RAM, GeForce 2) there was a significant performance improvement... For starters, NT 4 uses around 50 MB less RAM, which of course means 50 MB more available to Cinema (or anything else for that matter).
And stability - well, I have yet to find a more stable app than C4D. It's rock solid. :thumbsup:
The reason I'm bringing this up - it really doesn't have anything to do with Cinema per se - is that W2K does eat a lot more of your system resources than a more light-weight OS would.
Incidently, I recently rolled back to NT 4 after having used W2K for a couple of years, and it really made my computing life a lot better. Since I have VERY outdated hardware (466 MHz, 256 MB RAM, GeForce 2) there was a significant performance improvement... For starters, NT 4 uses around 50 MB less RAM, which of course means 50 MB more available to Cinema (or anything else for that matter).
And stability - well, I have yet to find a more stable app than C4D. It's rock solid. :thumbsup:
flingster
10-14-2003, 01:16 PM
dare i say it...i think 8 is the least stable version i've used of c4d...BUT i think most of this is due unfortunately to plugins having had to be updated.
when i say unstable...i still think it kicks the pants of everything else in the market in terms of stability...so its not exactly unstable.
let the flaming begin...:shrug:
when i say unstable...i still think it kicks the pants of everything else in the market in terms of stability...so its not exactly unstable.
let the flaming begin...:shrug:
Srek
10-14-2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by ksanim
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
Hi,
if you want to use P4 with Hyperthreading W2K will not work well. It's scheduler does not support HT and you won't get a gain. XP will give you up to 20% more with HT.
Also i found XP over all more stable then W2K but thats only marginal if your installation is good.
As for the memory problems mentioned, OS X supports up to 4 GB of RAM whereas Windows 2000 / XP only support 2 GB (Win 9x/ME only 512 MB). So maybe the reason why some scenes render with OS X but not with Windows is simply the twice as large memory size (Physical RMA + Virtual RAM).
Hope this helps
Srek
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
Hi,
if you want to use P4 with Hyperthreading W2K will not work well. It's scheduler does not support HT and you won't get a gain. XP will give you up to 20% more with HT.
Also i found XP over all more stable then W2K but thats only marginal if your installation is good.
As for the memory problems mentioned, OS X supports up to 4 GB of RAM whereas Windows 2000 / XP only support 2 GB (Win 9x/ME only 512 MB). So maybe the reason why some scenes render with OS X but not with Windows is simply the twice as large memory size (Physical RMA + Virtual RAM).
Hope this helps
Srek
smoke
10-14-2003, 02:01 PM
Been using 8XL on 2000 without any problems:wavey:
I tried demos of most other programs and had LOTS of problems.
Can't even get through basic tutorials for Maya without it crashing :shrug:
I tried demos of most other programs and had LOTS of problems.
Can't even get through basic tutorials for Maya without it crashing :shrug:
flingster
10-14-2003, 02:10 PM
xp pro supports 4gb of RAM afaik? :shrug: and 2 processors.
flingster
10-14-2003, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by ksanim
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
are you having problems? or is this a speculative question
I would like to know if there are any stability or performance issues when using Cinema 4D on Windows 2000.
are you having problems? or is this a speculative question
tjnyc
10-14-2003, 02:45 PM
Yeah, I ran into memory crashes myself under win2K with large scenes, stuff running fine in Maya, but can't get around in C4D. The other limitation is with big texture maps(4096x4096) you might be creating with BP R2, I have 2 GB of Rambus on my system, and the same psd files I am using for my textures works fine in Photoshop but crashes often in BP R2. I had to eventual shrinks the size down to 2048x2048 and everything is nice and stable. C4D is a very stable app, but seems to have some stability problems with large scenes and large files from my limited experience, which in a production environment is a big no-no, but I know shops that had to deal with worse working from 3DMax in production so go figure.
Srek
10-14-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by flingster
xp pro supports 4gb of RAM afaik? :shrug: and 2 processors.
Yes, but only 2 GB per application.
MS Advanced Server and Datacenter Server support more, but they cost an arm and a leg.
Cheers
Srek
xp pro supports 4gb of RAM afaik? :shrug: and 2 processors.
Yes, but only 2 GB per application.
MS Advanced Server and Datacenter Server support more, but they cost an arm and a leg.
Cheers
Srek
Srek
10-14-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by tjnyc
Yeah, I ran into memory crashes myself under win2K with large scenes, stuff running fine in Maya, but can't get around in C4D. The other limitation is with big texture maps(4096x4096) you might be creating with BP R2, I have 2 GB of Rambus on my system, and the same psd files I am using for my textures works fine in Photoshop but crashes often in BP R2. I had to eventual shrinks the size down to 2048x2048 and everything is nice and stable. C4D is a very stable app, but seems to have some stability problems with large scenes and large files from my limited experience, which in a production environment is a big no-no, but I know shops that had to deal with worse working from 3DMax in production so go figure.
Hi,
Photoshop has a pretty sophisitcated memory management for Bitmaps that allows for much bigger textures then would usualy be possible.
Sadly it's not possible to include this in a rendering application like CINEMA.
Cheers
Srek
Yeah, I ran into memory crashes myself under win2K with large scenes, stuff running fine in Maya, but can't get around in C4D. The other limitation is with big texture maps(4096x4096) you might be creating with BP R2, I have 2 GB of Rambus on my system, and the same psd files I am using for my textures works fine in Photoshop but crashes often in BP R2. I had to eventual shrinks the size down to 2048x2048 and everything is nice and stable. C4D is a very stable app, but seems to have some stability problems with large scenes and large files from my limited experience, which in a production environment is a big no-no, but I know shops that had to deal with worse working from 3DMax in production so go figure.
Hi,
Photoshop has a pretty sophisitcated memory management for Bitmaps that allows for much bigger textures then would usualy be possible.
Sadly it's not possible to include this in a rendering application like CINEMA.
Cheers
Srek
gfx@rt
10-14-2003, 03:46 PM
The stability of Cinema 4D played an important roled in my descision to go for this product. Plain and simple; I hate crashes!
I used another product (I don't mention any names) that took about 3 times more time to open. Once it was open I lost several hundred MB of RAM and it would only take an hour or so before the program would crash... I can't work with junk like that.
I used another product (I don't mention any names) that took about 3 times more time to open. Once it was open I lost several hundred MB of RAM and it would only take an hour or so before the program would crash... I can't work with junk like that.
dpvtank
10-14-2003, 03:48 PM
well, what people don't realize is that windows xp is just as stable as any other. One of the worst things in xp is the eye candy in it.
you just gotto disable a crap lot of unneeded services and turn off a few things to make it run at its full potential...I suggest blkviper.com for a full listing
go onto the windows xp super tweaks section and then go into the services sections, look at the all the definations, and try and see which ones you don't need....it will seriously make xp run a lot faster with all that eye candy turned down.
you just gotto disable a crap lot of unneeded services and turn off a few things to make it run at its full potential...I suggest blkviper.com for a full listing
go onto the windows xp super tweaks section and then go into the services sections, look at the all the definations, and try and see which ones you don't need....it will seriously make xp run a lot faster with all that eye candy turned down.
flingster
10-14-2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Srek
Yes, but only 2 GB per application.
MS Advanced Server and Datacenter Server support more, but they cost an arm and a leg.
Cheers
Srek
well thats s**t microsoft...
does this mean that for a 4gig cinema 4d system the only alternative is a mac! jeez u guys need to write a linux version..
dpvtank : cool...had a nice tip for disabling themes service...tanking u
Yes, but only 2 GB per application.
MS Advanced Server and Datacenter Server support more, but they cost an arm and a leg.
Cheers
Srek
well thats s**t microsoft...
does this mean that for a 4gig cinema 4d system the only alternative is a mac! jeez u guys need to write a linux version..
dpvtank : cool...had a nice tip for disabling themes service...tanking u
Ikari
10-14-2003, 06:48 PM
after using both win2k and XP professional i really have to say my renderring and cinebench resulst are lots of faster on XP than on 2k. of course i disabled all that weird looking theme things for XP, here it looks exactly like 2k.
not only that it's faster, it's even more stable, i never had a frozen cinema on XP, on 2k i had it very often. so i got back to XP. this is my expirience and of course it can (and will) vary, depending on your hardware too (I got an Asus a7n8x deluxe with a 2800+ barton died athlon, together with 1536 mb RAM (333)).
so i recommend you to test both and find out the best for you, and if unsure i would take XP cause it has more functions and is safer than 2k (NTFS-crypt and so on)
not only that it's faster, it's even more stable, i never had a frozen cinema on XP, on 2k i had it very often. so i got back to XP. this is my expirience and of course it can (and will) vary, depending on your hardware too (I got an Asus a7n8x deluxe with a 2800+ barton died athlon, together with 1536 mb RAM (333)).
so i recommend you to test both and find out the best for you, and if unsure i would take XP cause it has more functions and is safer than 2k (NTFS-crypt and so on)
chromecity
10-14-2003, 07:09 PM
I've used Cinema quite a bit from XL6 through R8.2 Studio and I've never yet had Cinema crash where I wasn't able to find a plugin that was the culprit. That may sound like an exaggeration, but it's not.
Srek
10-14-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by flingster
does this mean that for a 4gig cinema 4d system the only alternative is a mac!
Yes, but the 64 Bit systems are coming up fast and RAM size problems should be solved for a couple of years then ;)
After all i didn't encounter many situations where more then 2 Gig are needed, so this isn't realy a problem.
Cheers
Srek
does this mean that for a 4gig cinema 4d system the only alternative is a mac!
Yes, but the 64 Bit systems are coming up fast and RAM size problems should be solved for a couple of years then ;)
After all i didn't encounter many situations where more then 2 Gig are needed, so this isn't realy a problem.
Cheers
Srek
AdamT
10-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Srek
After all i didn't encounter many situations where more then 2 Gig are needed, so this isn't realy a problem.
Well I sure have! Depends upon the kind of scenes you do I suppose, but for large architectural scenes it surely is a problem.
After all i didn't encounter many situations where more then 2 Gig are needed, so this isn't realy a problem.
Well I sure have! Depends upon the kind of scenes you do I suppose, but for large architectural scenes it surely is a problem.
flingster
10-14-2003, 07:50 PM
i was reading something were a guy was complaining about 4gig not being good enough...so wanted bucket rendering! heh heh..think it was campbell artist guy....i got 1gig...and i would like over 2gig myself..and i certainly don't hammer the thing..so for some of the real-worlders out there i would see them suffering.
yeah still think its naff really...
btw is cinema tweaky tweaked for 64 bit...heh heh...
:applause:
yeah still think its naff really...
btw is cinema tweaky tweaked for 64 bit...heh heh...
:applause:
MJV
10-14-2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Srek
Yes, but the 64 Bit systems are coming up fast and RAM size problems should be solved for a couple of years then ;)
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981
Here are some more fun quotes:
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."
--The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957
"But what ... is it good for?"
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
--Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us."
--Western Union internal memo, 1876.
"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?"
--David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s.
"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C,' the idea must be feasible."
--A Yale University management professor in response to Fred Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service. (Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.)
"Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"
--H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927.
"I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face and not Gary Cooper.
--Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in "Gone With The Wind."
"A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make."
--Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies.
"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
--Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
--Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.
"If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this."
--Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M "Post-It" Notepads.
"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we' ll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'"
--Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and HP interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.
"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools."
--1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's revolutionary rocket work.
"You want to have consistent and uniform muscle development across allof your muscles? It can't be done. It's just a fact of life. You just have to accept inconsistent muscle development as an unalterable condition of weight training."
--Response to Arthur Jones, who solved the "unsolvable" problem by inventing Nautilus.
"Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy."
--Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil in 1859.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
--Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929.
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."
--Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction".
--Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872
"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon".
--Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.
Yes, but the 64 Bit systems are coming up fast and RAM size problems should be solved for a couple of years then ;)
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981
Here are some more fun quotes:
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year."
--The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957
"But what ... is it good for?"
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
--Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us."
--Western Union internal memo, 1876.
"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?"
--David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s.
"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C,' the idea must be feasible."
--A Yale University management professor in response to Fred Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service. (Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.)
"Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"
--H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927.
"I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face and not Gary Cooper.
--Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in "Gone With The Wind."
"A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make."
--Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies.
"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
--Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
--Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.
"If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this."
--Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M "Post-It" Notepads.
"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we' ll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'"
--Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and HP interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.
"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools."
--1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's revolutionary rocket work.
"You want to have consistent and uniform muscle development across allof your muscles? It can't be done. It's just a fact of life. You just have to accept inconsistent muscle development as an unalterable condition of weight training."
--Response to Arthur Jones, who solved the "unsolvable" problem by inventing Nautilus.
"Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy."
--Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil in 1859.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
--Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929.
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."
--Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction".
--Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872
"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon".
--Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.
Srek
10-14-2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by MJV
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981
Hey, no need to turn nasty ;)
I said it will only last several years.
Can't wait for those opto processors and holographic memory though :drool:
Cheers
Srek
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981
Hey, no need to turn nasty ;)
I said it will only last several years.
Can't wait for those opto processors and holographic memory though :drool:
Cheers
Srek
flingster
10-14-2003, 08:22 PM
LOL...to much guys...
:scream: :applause: :curious:
:scream: :applause: :curious:
Ikari
10-14-2003, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by chromecity
I've used Cinema quite a bit from XL6 through R8.2 Studio and I've never yet had Cinema crash where I wasn't able to find a plugin that was the culprit. That may sound like an exaggeration, but it's not.
this i can prrof too, i had more often crahses with some different plugins, especially beta-version, for example 12point0, translucent free and ambient occlusion. but all except translucent were beta's, and with translucent i dont know whats up but here it produces crashes.
some quotes, nut dunno the one which they were spoken by:
"Microprocessor? ok, but..is this good for anything?" <<employee of IBM
"who should ever want to carry his computer to work outer house?!"
I've used Cinema quite a bit from XL6 through R8.2 Studio and I've never yet had Cinema crash where I wasn't able to find a plugin that was the culprit. That may sound like an exaggeration, but it's not.
this i can prrof too, i had more often crahses with some different plugins, especially beta-version, for example 12point0, translucent free and ambient occlusion. but all except translucent were beta's, and with translucent i dont know whats up but here it produces crashes.
some quotes, nut dunno the one which they were spoken by:
"Microprocessor? ok, but..is this good for anything?" <<employee of IBM
"who should ever want to carry his computer to work outer house?!"
Conanart
10-14-2003, 08:44 PM
Get a Mac and see the light:D
Sorry, had to say that.:blush:
Let the abuse begin!
Gareth
Sorry, had to say that.:blush:
Let the abuse begin!
Gareth
chromecity
10-14-2003, 08:48 PM
My lack of crashes has been on a PC. Although I've heard Mac folks say the same thing, too. Cinema seems pretty robust regardless of the platform - certainly compared to other 3D apps.
flingster
10-14-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Conanart
Get a Mac and see the light:D
Sorry, had to say that.:blush:
Let the abuse begin!
Gareth
yeeahhhh heh heh... hence why i asked for a linux version...had to get it in there..:surprised
Get a Mac and see the light:D
Sorry, had to say that.:blush:
Let the abuse begin!
Gareth
yeeahhhh heh heh... hence why i asked for a linux version...had to get it in there..:surprised
dpvtank
10-14-2003, 09:22 PM
I'm a linux wh*re myself. I started dual booting back again since I learn't that cinema 4d can only run on windows or mac..and there is no way I'm getting a mac.
Not to mention that kaydara has stopped development of motionbuilder on linux :(
that really sucks. So, I'm stuck with dual-booting. But if maxon makes a linux version, that would be great. I would be willing to abandon Motionbuilder (stick with Motionbuilder 4 which still supports Linux) and go on..
that is...if there is a fbx for cinema 4d.
personally, this entire pc vs mac thing is stupid. also the windows vs linux vs mac is also stupid
it's a PC..right? PERSONAL COMPUTER...It's supposed to be personal. Want a mac? fine..no one is stopping you..want a pc..whatever.
Does it matter. Not really. I used to debate about linux and followed linux like my religion. Then I learn't that IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
...just my 2 cents.
Not to mention that kaydara has stopped development of motionbuilder on linux :(
that really sucks. So, I'm stuck with dual-booting. But if maxon makes a linux version, that would be great. I would be willing to abandon Motionbuilder (stick with Motionbuilder 4 which still supports Linux) and go on..
that is...if there is a fbx for cinema 4d.
personally, this entire pc vs mac thing is stupid. also the windows vs linux vs mac is also stupid
it's a PC..right? PERSONAL COMPUTER...It's supposed to be personal. Want a mac? fine..no one is stopping you..want a pc..whatever.
Does it matter. Not really. I used to debate about linux and followed linux like my religion. Then I learn't that IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
...just my 2 cents.
flingster
10-14-2003, 09:39 PM
totally agree with ya there...good point well made dpvtank
(btw...just out of interest there is a tut for running c4d under linux in the resources thread..in tuts...i think)
(btw...just out of interest there is a tut for running c4d under linux in the resources thread..in tuts...i think)
anobrin
10-18-2003, 01:48 AM
Cinema is nearly "uncrashable" on the MAC (OSX)
unless you run "ambient occlusion" which causes the infamous
"Crash when quitting"
and TDEM along with nextlimits" flowtracer", which will crash
Cinema in mid stroke Like a blind drunk man on the german autobahn:annoyed:
unless you run "ambient occlusion" which causes the infamous
"Crash when quitting"
and TDEM along with nextlimits" flowtracer", which will crash
Cinema in mid stroke Like a blind drunk man on the german autobahn:annoyed:
dpvtank
10-18-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by flingster
totally agree with ya there...good point well made dpvtank
(btw...just out of interest there is a tut for running c4d under linux in the resources thread..in tuts...i think)
yup...I've read that. Personally, I don't like to do all that. I don't think I will ever use Wine. If it ain't on Linux, it's not meant to be used on linux via wine..
Call me a bit stupid, but it would run best if its made for linux itself. You know, optimized for it and stuff. And currently, I'm quite happy with running windows although it has innumerable bugs and holes.
totally agree with ya there...good point well made dpvtank
(btw...just out of interest there is a tut for running c4d under linux in the resources thread..in tuts...i think)
yup...I've read that. Personally, I don't like to do all that. I don't think I will ever use Wine. If it ain't on Linux, it's not meant to be used on linux via wine..
Call me a bit stupid, but it would run best if its made for linux itself. You know, optimized for it and stuff. And currently, I'm quite happy with running windows although it has innumerable bugs and holes.
JIII
10-18-2003, 02:58 AM
linix/unix would too. Only diff is that you personally made the holes :)
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