Enchanted Forest - Environment - Chico

[benhaines]

Hey Chico...

new sub-div beta modeler.... know something we don't? Want to elaborate? Is this related to Lightwave?

Good luck, Ben

[Chico]

Nothing to do with lightwave...but the guy whos developing it said he was happy to throw in a LWO exporter for this purpose.

Its still early...Ill keep you guys posted..

[Chico]

Quick update...proably not worth it really, Just got back from taking photos at the park and sat down to get some concepts out....then relised I have to take my wee kitten to the vet this evein...so I didnt get too far:shrug:

I wont start moding till Ive got this all roughed out.
Here ya go anyway.:wavey: http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_01.jpg
Sleep Well

BTW, I noticed LilDragons warning on the size of images so you wont see any 1200*whatever ones this time round:shame:
I will post external links if anyone wants though

[hypronost]

Loved your previous challange intry.

If this one comes even close to your previous one, it's great !!

:thumbsup:

[Chico]

Morning all,

Heres a little update. My 2d skills are pretty bad but I think its important to rough out concepts before I begin my models...2d is somthing I really want to work on over the next few years.

Anyway this is a sketch I did last night, and I coloured it up a bit in PShop today...Its helped me solidify my ideas, and spot problems/conderciderations early.

Im about to start modeling the trees now, may not get anything up for a day or two though:p

http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_02.jpg
And for thouse of you who want to see more detail...I real one is about 4k*2k...I wont post that.:p
http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_03.jpg

@-->hypronost, thanks for that. But Oggie is about a year and a half old...this is new...at this rate...6 weeks....Ill need 6 months at least:bounce:
I look foward to seeing you intergrate the mech of yours into the forest:thumbsup:

[Chico]

A start..Half an hour into it...Gotta go though...Trip to the local Library is in order I think...Since Im not bannedanymore, Last week I had to fork out $160 (NZD 0.43 USD) worth of fineS :surprised

http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_04.jpg

[Clanger]

Nice looking tree there, just the sort bonsai types would love. I do prefer the bent gnarly types.
I wonder what the best way to texture such a thing is though, could be a problem.

[kiwi]

Woooah 160 slides :surprised ....how many overdue books is that Chico?


Nice looking tree there too :)



Stu.

[leigh]

Looking cool Chico :thumbsup:
Ummm one question though - I can see your mesh cages there, but why does the actual model already appear to have such a high poly count??? Is that just a sub-d preview kinda thing, or have you already subdivided it that much??

[Chico]

Thanks guys.!

@-->Clanger...Texturing...no probs, I think a tree is acually really easy. DIvide it up into its basic cyliders, the say for the trunk, maybe divide up the trunk into its main slabs of Bark and Roots.

Then go oevr and cover up the seams with extra UV channels and their required maps. At the end of the day, this is only going to be a still so I can get awaywith alot too:p

(:deal: Remind me of this ina few weeks when Im in tears :p)

My wife and I have just started to get in to Bonsai trees, so we have lots of material on the too. I think that they will look great as models in such a forest as the have an enchanted look to them anyway. (Plus...you dont have to do big bushy trees, you dont need more than a thousand odd leaves:thumbsup: )

@-->Kiwi...I cant work out wether they love me there or hate me..? I have no excuse as I walk home past the lib every day:shrug:

@-->Leigh...The reason it looks like its subdivided is the software Im using is a standalone Sub-Div Modeler. Its geared up so that you can work on the cage, while seeing the geometry divided up (to whatever level you want, if you want), at an incredible speed.

Its still in alpha and there is a limited testing team so far, but there is a place to sign up for when the beta is relesed. Ill post the link in a couple of days:thumbsup:

[ZrO-1]

The geom look similar to what you see in Maya4 when you start with a Sub-D (rather than converting).

Chico: great stuff so far. One question, is your focus going to be the two trees and the characters hiding behind them or the water and the characters interacting (fishing maybe) with it.

Just curious so I know what to focus on as I drool all over my keyboard looking at your work.:drool:

[Chico]

Zro-1, youre right .! It does look like Maya...yuckk....I feel Dirty...(Not a maya fan:p) Never played with Mayas sub-div, havent really uesd maya since 1.0.

My focus will be on the trees and the enviroment. I havent thought of how Im going to do the charaters yet. One will be some breed of goblin, the other....not sure yet. I think in 6 weeks I should be able to do most of this, but I will be focusing on the look and feel of the enviroment first.

Okay heres a quick update...havent done much this afternoon...Just playing around.
http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_05.jpg
http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_06.jpg

[L0rd]

God I can't see the forest for the trees on CG Talk at the moment.

Hey Chico, nice to find you here again.

Now how do I get out of these woods?

[Gilgamesh]

Very nice curves, Chico. I really can't wait to see what wonderful scheme you are going to come up with for the textures. Already it is looking alive and organic. Nice, nice.

[rolhionjs]

welcome to the bonsai world :) ! Nice model !! can't wait to see more ! :)

[leigh]

Hey Chico - that's looking great!! Those curves are fantastic, great work! :applause:
LET'S SEE SOME MORE!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Russo]

hm.. keep on movin' man

[[msf]]

New sub div modeler? Cool looking gnarled tree and solid concept art! No wonder this thread has five stars :)

[amusedtoe]

boy if i can get my tree to look half that good ill be lucky. looks great :thumbsup:
-peace

[diamondbychoice]

Believe in the Bonsai!

-Ninja G

:airguitar

[Howard Day]

So - um. Anything else? Updates? No? C'mon! Pleeeese!

[Chico]

OKay okay...an update coming in an hour or two:p ...just fiddeling around with those branches ... trying to keep them inline with the bonsai rules:shame:

Lord, these woods are getting mad...first thing this morning i spent 2 hours just sifting in these forums...just be patient and the end will find you. If you go looking youll only get deeper...no always a bad thing thou:scream:

Thanks for these encouraging words all,
Soimething for you to look at while waiting...
http://www.rocket3d.com
this is the page where you will find info on the modeler Im using. If you are interested sign up for the public Beta...though I dont know when it will be released, I promise youll love it to bits..I do:thumbsup:

I might try having a play in lightwave this evening and see how I go

BTW...I belive ...:bowdown:

[Chico]

OKay...raunning short of time tonight...

These branches are fiddely ya know. Well it doesnt look like much but its something aye:surprised

Oh and I didnt get around to playing in LWave tonight...
And I though about giving max a bit of credit, as she'll find out if I dont and then Ill be in for it :hmm:

http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_07.jpg
http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_08.jpg

Night all, or should I say Morning..?:wavey:

[Chico]

ONe more...Im pretty much calling this done now...well the first tree anyway. The top braches still need a nit more added as far as depth...but it doesnt really matteras they are designed on to be seen from the front.
Ill leave this for a few days I think.

Any crits please fire them at me.:thumbsup:
http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_09.jpg

Now off to figure out how to texture this damn thing..

[lucascerro]

Ok... I think that's the best tree modeling I've seen up to now, but there are a few details... The trunk looks fantastic, but I think that the branches aren't quite right. You see, the tree only has 3 main branches..., and they're all straight... I think they should bend more, and subdivide (deja vu) into secondary branches... I mean... you only have this main branches and some little twigs... The change in size is too hard... you dont have some middle sized branches. I dont know your intentions, but I think the branches are waaay too long, and too straight... Like... after the branch subdivides, I think that the main branch should end and one of the subdivisions take over... ¬¬ I dont know if you're understanding me... And the branches should all point outwards from the tree... some of yours are pointing back at the tree... One last thing... The branches are only growing on top of the main branch... (or only growing *up*) they should grow down too, but always away from the tree... I did a fantstic drawing to try and show you what I mean... heheheh the image on the left is your tree and on the right are my suggestions... heheheh

- Lucas

[lucascerro]

hehehe... sorry, I made a mistake on the interpretation of your tree... its more like this: (see attatch) (the difference is what I meant by the branches only growing upwards)

-Lucas

[Kirt]

Yeah, but it's an enchanted forest so maybe his tree is magical and in his forest they grow that way? I think it looks pretty cool even though I know trees don't grow that way. Well ... maybe they could with some carefull attention by a tree farmer (forget what they're called ... horticulturist?).

Remember ... this is supposed to be fantasy. His tree could be sprouting bunnies from it's branches and that should be ok.

[lucascerro]

Yeah... I thought about that... :) That's why I said that I didn't know his intentions... And those were just suggestions... I didn't mean to be misunderstood... But I *still* think he has the best tree modeling of the challenge so far...

- Lucas

[L0rd]

I think you'll find that chico's tree is fashioned after bonsai trees, which are trained (or tortured if you're the tree) to grow in asthetically pleasing ways. Therefore Chico's tree could well be legitimate.

Bloody big bonsai!

[hypercube]

Kickass tree. Dig the gnarliness(is that a word?). :thumbsup:

That modeler looks pretty interesting. I really like LW's wireframe shade mode for that reason..wanna check it out when I get time..

The bonsai comment is totally right, and especially the part about aesthetics, it's a fantasy environment, and an art piece, so why can't it grow however it needs to in order to look cool?

Look forward to the rest of it..

[lucascerro]

Yeah... guess you're right...

- Lucas

[diamondbychoice]

[QUOTE]chico's tree is fashioned after bonsai trees, which are trained (or tortured if you're the tree) to grow in asthetically pleasing ways. [QUOTE]

Tortured is such an extreme word!!!

Remember Conan who was chained to that big wheel when he was a kid and by the time he was twenty he was so buff that he could kick anyones ass...

Well that's bonsai, it's really all environmental. :-)

:applause:

[rolhionjs]

Lucascerro : the interpretation of real trees are like you draw it, but i think Chico want to model a bonsai or something near the bonsai cuttings.

Bonsais are like Chico modeled it. I mean it's an art to cut some branchs to give the aspect Chico gave to his tree. Sure we'll rarely find this kind of tree with branch growing up in nature, but that's the art of bonsai to cut the lower branchs to give a clean cut of the final tree. And that's exactly what Chico did :)

I think that's an excellent model of bonsai :)

[kiwi]

Looking really nice Chico :thumbsup:


Stu.

[Chico]

Morning all,

I havent done much on this lately but heres alittle update anyway. Ive poped some trees in the BG...I think Ill start working on the other feature tree soon. But I have a bit of commercial work to do first. Could be a few days yet.

Okay and to settle this wee debate on my tree modeling...Yes I am tring to follow the rules of Bonsai. lucascerro Thanks for you compliments on the modeling, and I really appreciate the crits you provided, but as most have mentioned, its by deign.:bounce:

As Kirt mentioned I feel that Bonsais have a reall enchantment to them, which is why They have been plonked into my forest. The ability to scuplt all sorts of emothions (maybe torcure :shrug:) Is amazing. Ive got heaps of reference here and some of these trees are just amazing.

The rest of you guys thanks, and DiamondBC, I love the conan story...really neat apprach:thumbsup:

Now onto textureing...humm...maybe later:p
heres a screenshot of it soo far anyway. I have pulled out of the Lightwave idea, as I have a feeling Im going to have to fight for Layout (Aye LorD)

http://www.oneglasseye.co.nz/uploads/JuneWIP/JuneWIP_10.jpg

[L0rd]

I have offered to become a vampire and work at night so that you can use layout through the day....

Oh well,

[Chico]

No no ...Its okay...(Im really using it as an excuse to sit in my comfort zone:p ) besides..Im sick of taking all your damn calls all day long:shame: :curious: :hmm: :annoyed: (These things are cool...)

[ManInScaryMask]

Originally posted by Chico
(These things are cool...)


You get amused easily... Playing too many games, are you? :)

Icenay eetray IcoChay. Iway ishway iway ouldcay useyay itay asay ellway asay ouyay. Ethay alescay illedkay emay... LOL, that's hard... :)

Are those shots above screenshots or are they PS comps?

[Chico]

Well Its okay to be amused easily....Wahoo...paper bag....weeee...

uh hum... well..yea..Arh yes all screenshots that have been compiled in Photosop.

OKay I supose I should say somthing about this thread... unfortunatly Im not going to be able to complete this in time due to other stuff. Ill admit Ive been lazy :shame: and now I have a tonne of work to catch up on:surprised

Well I may be getting a computer to use at home in the near future so I should be able to put some more work into future challenges.:drumrock:

Good luck to you all and I will at least throw on some leaves onto my tree and texture it up before th end of the challenge.:thumbsup:

Chico Out:drumrock:

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