3D02.com - Online Model Library revamp

[ephex]

U ARE MY GOD MAN, I"VE BEEN WAITIN FO SOMEONE LIKE YOU, FINALLY, BEYOND AMAZIN

[little5points]

Not to get into a whole thing here, but why are some of these models so inexpensive? I'm looking at a collection of 6 car models for $159??

Stock photo CDs cost more than this. It just seems like the work to money ration isn't worth it.

I guess the payoff is selling lots of packages, right?

[???]

nice.. that's all i can say..

[Mahlikus]

OMG! :eek:
*pukes everywhere*

[leif3d]

Freelance gets cheaper and cheaper by the second.....sad...:surprised

[Haifisch]

this is actually evil if you think about it, everyone who has an artistic soul should boycott this. La Revolution!!! -hf

[Cyborgguineapig]

Originally posted by leif3d
Freelance gets cheaper and cheaper by the second.....sad...:surprised

gotta agree on that. And is it just me or is it funny how that Squir guy seems to be selling just about every model on that site?:surprised He made all of that?

[ZVAN]

wow.. check it ouT!!!!!!! UR MODELLING!!!!!!!! SUPERB!!!! and 2nd i like BMW!!!!!!!!!!:applause: u really awe me out!

[big]

To bad it's 99% vehicles.

[Popsicle_g]

Originally posted by big
To bad it's 99% vehicles.

Aye, but you have to admit, that mustang GT concept 2 is just gorgeous.

[shujumy]

detail detail. i always love the details.. :)

[rrobert]

You're a very good car modeler! Great work.. (i've taken a look at your site..) :thumbsup:

[onscreen]

ermm... good site for inspiration.. and y is it that those people in here keep saying you (leo) did the modelling? hhmm.~

[halo]

good for the consumer (as long as the models are useable)....

bad for devaluing his and others work, especially as most people wont see where a $50 dollar model differs from one they see at $500...he could probably afford to add a "0" to the prices and still make the same amount of money, seems a little agressive to me when theres no need

[show]

Nice site that, ta for plugging leonard.

I have to say OMG at the few people who have posted here without even reading what leonard wrote in the post, thinking this is a finished gallery post. Frankly they should be ashamed of themselves for being such morons, speaks volumes about the quality of posts on this now 50k user forum to be honest.
40k too many ??

Sorry to be such a grouch but arghh :)

[squidinc]

Originally posted by markedwards
Nice site that, ta for plugging leonard.

I have to say OMG at the few people who have posted here without even reading what leonard wrote in the post, thinking this is a finished gallery post. Frankly they should be ashamed of themselves for being such morons, speaks volumes about the quality of posts on this now 50k user forum to be honest.
40k too many ??

Sorry to be such a grouch but arghh :)

I agree, these are probably the same people that ask "what software you use?" when it's clearly the first thing that the artist says before the images

nice site though :thumbsup:

[stephen2002]

hehe! YES! I like this site, it had a Blender ad on the front page :D

Otherwise, it is a good idea. The models do seem rather cheap for the amount of detail. There does need to be something other than cars though :shrug:

[Daniel]

Hmmmm, price is very low, models looks okay... whats next :shrug: High Quality Models for a good meal?

cya.

[dewboy]

This sort of website shouldn't harm the industry. I don't see anyone complaining about turbosquid?

If you have a model on this 3d02.com website and it sells 30 times lets say - $100 * 30 = $3000 - thats fair?

The only problem is the models aren't very accurate - they all look very cartoony in proportion. Plus they all seem to be in lwo format which narrows the user base abit.

And yes, please read the first message properly - it's so annoying when multiple people keep going on about the wrong thing!

Simon

[Expired-Coupon]

I agree too.
It'd be great if people could follow the simple rule of Read > Comprehend > Post.

Then we'd have less people putting their foot in their mouths.

Some good models on that site, excellent work Leo :scream:

[3d02]

Hi. some like some dislike our site. :p

Seems the main concern is about the pricing.

3d02 is simply a platform for artists to trade 3d models, the artists have the full right to price the models that we will not alter to meet what we expect, however, of course we will not allow a box model with 6 faces priced at $500.

We let the artists go free to decide, to price and to market their own models. We also let the buyers to create the model collection they after by sending a request to the artists. "Hi artist, I would like model A, C and D for $100, can you make it for me please." The artist can then reply "....what about $150"....... whether we make the sale? it's in the artist's hand.:shrug:

Other than commercially selling 3d models, all we are trying to do is to build an open platform, a channel for artists to procure freelance jobs since most of our users are coming for commercial 3d models, then 3d02 may well serve as a place for artists to meet more job opportunities . We understand how important freelance jobs could be for artists as we are also artists and designers here, should we stand at the middle and charge for commissions, I dont think so.

Thanks guys for the comments, we will take them all into account to improve our site.

Thanks Leonard for posting up this thread, that lets us know more what people think. =)

[dewboy]

Thanks guys for the comments, we will take them all into account to improve our site.


Here's another suggestion that applies to my work.

I work in the games industry and will be starting work on a car game soon - your prices are certainly agreeable for my company but the only problem is the fact that the models are 200k+ polys which is just too high. The amount of time to reduce the polys would probably take too long. It would be nice if your modellers made different level of details for each model, then maybe price them accordingly (i.e high poly model $100, med poly model $70, low poly (2500 polys) $40 - or something to that effect).

That would make the models much more accessible to us.

Simon

[show]

Shouldnt it cost more for the low poly model if they have gone out of their way to reduce the count ?
"The amount of time to reduce the polys would probably take too long"
:P

[3d02]

Originally posted by dewboy
Here's another suggestion that applies to my work.

Certainly will deliver your message to our modellers.

Wes.

[eoin]

sweet car, wish I could afford one!

[pearson]

Leonard! I didn't know you were such an 1337 Hax0r modeler! :applause: lol

Nice site, thanks for the link! :thumbsup:

[halo]

3d02- i dont think theres anything wrong with doing what your doing but what i'm trying to say is your models are too cheap...they may not be the most accurate models, and in some cases are quite off, however i would suspect that 95% of people couldnt tell the difference between yours and better models and consequently wouldnt stump up the extra cash a better model deserves

i dont think its only your site in particular thats devaluing the product, turbosquid does as well...you can argue that the low price means high volume sales that offset the return loss from a low price, but i wonder how happy you'd be if someone built the same things better and for 1/2 the price...perhaps even sold them on your site?

i just think people are so keen for a sale they aren't willing to let their models sell themselves and are just kicking the arse out of the market to get sales....its a free market though, do what you like...its just theres little incentive for anyone to do anything better when most of the market will be used to $50 models...to say you could ask for perhaps $150 for one off commisions is laughable, i'd be asking for somewhere starting at $1500, and then up some, for modelling a decent car accurately

btw i'm not in this market, but i have seen exactly the same thing happen with the other cheap royalty free markets and the only winners are the publishers

[big]

Originally posted by Popsicle_g
Aye, but you have to admit, that mustang GT concept 2 is just gorgeous.

Yeah the cars look great, but I would love some character models.

oh a question: the people that buy these models what do they use them for? (I'm a total newbie at 3d). Personally I'm thinking it would be nice to use for a much bigger scene, saving tons of time not having to build a bunch of different cars for a city scene for example. But I don't know.... :shrug:

[isnowboard]

It's interesting, because some people are unhappy that some quality models are going for a reasonable or lower price. Many people view this a threat and brings down the overall price for their quality work. But how come when people release scripts or full blown 3D programs for free, people don't complain that they are undercutting established companies that make 3D programs, or are undercutting hard working programmers. Seems a little out of whack for me.

I believe that since they did the work, they can charge whatever they want. Hopefully the lower the price, the more sales for them as they've already put in the work and the time.

[Leonard]

*sigh*

I'm really really disappointed that some of you simply DON'T or CANNOT READ. This is not MY model, I am mentioning that the 3d02 model library website has been revamped.

/slaps forehead in disbelief.

Leo

[colkai]

Originally posted by pearson
Leonard! I didn't know you were such an 1337 Hax0r modeler!

Ok, I've seen this sort of thing before but have NO idea what it actually means / says!
What is '1337' and such ??
OT I know but it's driving me mad!

[halo]

isnowboard - i dont have a problem with free stuff or even low priced stuff, but what i think is a problem (and the royalty free image/map/photo/illustration/footage markets show this) is that when you get a lot of lower quality products on the market that people cant see the faults with, it throws out little incentive for people to do it better because the market is already flooded and people are used to the low cost.

Like i said its fine for the consumer whos satisfied with whats on offer, but the general dumbing down of mass market products, stuff like Dosch for another instance (compare them to Sachform), is lowering the tone and damaging the potential for better. If things weren't priced for the hobbyist and aimed at the professional field and were worthy of their price then you wont get people thinking 3d is something that is overall cheap and easily obtainable.

[isnowboard]

halo, as the creator, the you get to set your price, but the market will decide whether to accept it. I really don't see a problem. The 3D market isn't a union, or there isn't price fixing going on. It's a dog eat dog world. You have to find your niche and satisfy your target market. If you haven't established that yet and are trying to satisfy all the fish out there, I suggest some more research is in order.

If someone is producing lower cost and quality car models and you're in the car modeling business, you have to find a way to compete or specialize in an area that's worthwhile, or change into another modeling business. Lower prices are great for the consumer, but as you pointed out, sometimes discouraging to some of the producers.

[richcz3]

What I can't believe are the comments that these works are beneath some percieved quality, which is what makes them so inexpensive. What??? Can anyone making these comments turn out this level of work so we can compare what quality standards you are reffering to. These are incredable models for an amazing price.

Rather than see these models as dirt cheap, one should see the fact that they will sell many more individual models and sets of models than if they priced them in the stratosphere.
Companies like Viewpoint Labs should take note. Charging $40 for a rectangle because its supposed to be a bar of gold.
:scream:

Very impressive and I wish anyone involved much success.

richcz3

[colkai]

I can except that some people are afraid they won't be able to charge a large amount if folks are buying the cheaper goods.

However, look at clothing, whilst some buy budget "it will do the job" items. others will merilly fork out huge wads on items they perceive to be better / higher quality.

For me, cheap resources and *good quality* pricier resources can happily go together.
Do you price your model at $200 and sell 1, or at $50 and sell ten?
If you buy a sub-standard model because it's cheap, then complain, the fault lies with you. If you buy it because it will do what you need - why pay more?

I think it is slighting the artist to suggest they are selling below themselves.

[halo]

i'd rather be able to sell 1 at $2000 and have a proper model...not see loads of $20 models and none of them be correct

i know what your saying about producing good models for more money, but it will always be relative. I know people who have produced very good accurate models, but wont let them go for silly money like $50...they haven't sold many because 99% of people cant see the difference and therefore dont see why they should pay more...and even if they can they use the lower priced models as a benchmark and cant understand why a good model costs maybe 50x more, just because people have spent the time doing the research and making sure theres a level of accuracy past a glancing similarity.

its great for the hobbyist consumer, but as with all the other royalty free stuff, the publishers have been so competative, driven prices down and the punters are happy with the lower quality that all work is judged by them. Show a client a low cost and they seem to forget about quality, show them a decent quality and they will ask how much its costs...if they know that theres stuff cheaper but not as good invariably they will go for that. All it means is that the products dont develop because theres less interest in doing expensive work if less people are willing to pay for it.

This is why Viewpoints model library has grown little in comparison to the late 90's, this is why despona sells 5000 models for $395 but the maps are crap and the modeling is dodgy, this is why dosch havent put out a decent cd yet and this is why crap below par stuff like poser & its outfits will never get any better. This is why plugins fall over when pushed or fall out of development, or are generally rubbish. This why apps have almost ground to a halt development wise compared to the 90's.

Sorry for the rant, but selling out cheap is just that and it doesn't help anyone else. I have no problem with competition over quality and price, but bargain basement ethics do no-one except the publishers any favours in the long run, especially when the comsumer is relying on you for quality control and cant really tell the difference.

[Goon]

colkai. 1337 is a kiddie cracker mod of leet (ie. L = 1, E = 3, T = 7), which is a cheap way of saying elite. haXor is just hacker. Don't worry about it, it only exists to make it hard for the non1337 people to read, particularly law enforcement. Same with pr0n and the variations of warez.

pearsons comment: I didn't know you were such an 1337 Hax0r modeler! was sarcasm because he was imitating the ignorant kids that post like that and always seem to bog forums down.

Now back OT. What is the point of saying you would rather have a model for $2000 and have it be excellent than have a model for $50 and have it be so good that 95% of the people viewing it couldnt tell the difference between them? Admittedly these aren't really high quality photorealistic models, but they certainly aren't bad, and they certainly at $50 a pop aren't clip art. This might cause problems with an art director saying its good enough when you know its not, but if you're doing a commercial that needs that higher level of precision then you shouldn't be turning to models of this quality anyway. Should some company really need to go and pay $2000 just to get a car when it doenst need film quality perfection? No. Thats an absurd price.
I realize that this is going to hurt modelers who are currently getting such prices but the market is going to be driving this field and if we try and hold out for higher costs, either the customers are going to pay, and buy less, or go elsewhere and buy it for less. Places with much lower living costs will steal the market because even $50 bucks is a nice sum for many non-western nations.

[richcz3]

We work (or some are eventualy hoping to) in an industry where technology and competition are very tough and always accelerating.
The fact that this medium is computer and software based can take allot of the "Art Feel" out of it. Techniques and mastery can fall by the way side with a potential new killer app.
When you start doing it for the neccesity to pay the bills and not just for the love of it, it gets dicey especially with the ramping up of hardware, software and competition.

A little sobering thought for those hoping to make a very good living modeling and animating. Here in Los Angeles there were no less than four big CG Animation houses shut down in the past four years.

As in any Market, Finding a niche and filling it can bring great rewards no matter what software you use and what you produce using it.

richcz3

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