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csmallfield
01-18-2010, 09:25 AM
Christopher Smallfield is entered in the "B-Movie" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/b-movie/view_entries.php?challenger=18849)

Latest Update: Work In Progress: Modeling the Anti-hero 04
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csmallfield
01-18-2010, 09:47 AM
I started doodling on the train ride to work (I'll post those later tonight). I was doing a little brainstorming trying to think of the angle I'd like to hit this challenge at. There are so many genres and sub-genres, let alone ways one could mix those genres that it's hard to decide. I've decided that in the spirit of CG Talk that I would share all my ideas, as I have them. Not to imply that my ideas are so brilliant that you should be blessed to read them, although some may be :)

What is a "B-movie"?

unknown actors
low budget
cheesy plot
cheesy premise
crazy antagonist (giant ants, aliens, zombies)
I say cheesy plot and premise, because that's the typical criteria the public uses to determine a b-movie, I believe. I am not saying it can't have a great plot and great premise (just poorly acted or executed).

Then I started thinking about possible locations and scenarios. Here are a couple that occurred to me.

Killer Apes from Moscow! The Red Menace has some new Recruits!
During the "Red Scare" this film came out, playing on the publics fears that the Russians had some sort of secret super-soldier program. Giant apes enter the battlefield and only one intrepid steely-eyed, square jawed American with moxy can stop them, all while resisting the feminine wiles of Black Sonia a Russian double Agent.

This could be presented in several ways. Photographic, showing an amazing high-quality movie, Photographic, showing a cheesy movie with bad ape costumes, a thrilling pulp illustration, a russian propaganda poster style, or a more modern style of illustration.

A Fistful of Flesh! The Dead will Rise at High Noon!
Other pun titles, The Quick and the Undead! Red Undead Revolver!
A zombie apocalypse western in the style of Sergio Leone (whose movies are definitely NOT b-movies), but this take on it might be. This is actually an idea I've had for a while, wanting to really make it. Maybe this image could be the start of that.

that's what I've got cooking in my brain so far, let me know your thoughts!

-Chris

andrewpyott
01-18-2010, 11:49 AM
Hey, nice to see them juices flowing! Come to some of the same conclusions as me. I like the idea of cheesy space/sci-fi movies, and there is a lot of ideas to tackle. I'm thinking of going with something like a horde of small mutant-zombie-alien-plant eaters or something like that.

I'd first thought of trying something like an abandone farm or a closed down shopping mall (yeah yeah yeah, too much Romero), but I like your idea on trying out invasions in far fetched places. Might try giving that a think over. Anyhow, good luck! :)

csmallfield
01-19-2010, 09:44 AM
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some layout sketches

csmallfield
01-19-2010, 09:45 AM
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Some little elements that might become something.

csmallfield
01-19-2010, 09:46 AM
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one possible look for a western hero or anti-hero

THExDUKE
01-19-2010, 11:34 AM
Good scetches so far. Will your apes be gigantic or regular sized? Good luck!

csmallfield
01-19-2010, 10:58 PM
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An evil mutant ape, mixed with Tor Johnson. 5 points if you get that reference!

csmallfield
01-19-2010, 11:02 PM
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Just playing around with possible characters.

LightSovereign
01-20-2010, 07:52 AM
fantastic work already and of course well researched..Nice going :D

Marley

Jettatore
01-20-2010, 12:13 PM
Looks really cool. Maybe the Communist Apes could have some sort of uniform or Red Communist Insignia in their fur? Something to give them a sort of imposing sense of order and leadership, even though they are wild mutant Apes. The flag you already have works well for this too.

csmallfield
01-20-2010, 01:20 PM
Yeah, I had the same thought. I need to do some research on military garb for russians of ww2. Maybe give them the cossack hats :) I'm excited about this one.

anostudio
01-20-2010, 04:30 PM
that really good sketches like it ...good luck

lbelerique
01-20-2010, 04:39 PM
Love the "Ape from Moscow" concept :)
Right now i'm picturing a mad "cyborgorilla", with a scythe for one hand and a hammer for the other, and blood dripping in the ape's chest. :P

csmallfield
01-20-2010, 05:26 PM
Yeah I defintitely need to do something with the hammer and scythe, cyber-mutant gorilla's, interesting... thanks!

kingfish3d
01-21-2010, 08:57 AM
love the gorilla idea, maybe a electronic chips plug on there brain with antena showing that they are controlled by russian, good work !

csmallfield
01-21-2010, 12:21 PM
Yeah I'm bouncing around between a lot of ideas. The latest is to make a crazy epic picture, combining elements from westerns, samurais, space sci-fi, mutant gorillas, giant robots and a giant monster. As diverse as that list is, I've got a way to unify it.

I love genre blending.

I've been reading the Dark Tower series by Stephen King and he pulls from all kinds of bizarre sources and makes one cohenrent storyline. I like this and will try to do the same.

New sketches soon!

FranciscoAlvarezDelgado
01-21-2010, 03:21 PM
Great stuff so far, I really like the Moscow gorilla, or world war mix with mutants. I think that has a ton of potential. Looking forward to more. Good luck man!

LadyMedusa
01-21-2010, 05:35 PM
Gigant robot mutant gorillas and sci-fi cowboy samurais?
:D
Not saying you should do that, just a random hint :p
You know, things don't always make sense in b-movies.

csmallfield
01-21-2010, 05:39 PM
actually, that's brilliant, they don't all need to be seperate, I like the combo! Thanks for the suggestion!

ambuyart
01-22-2010, 01:34 AM
A cyborgorilla kong! True B-Movie stuff (cheesy characters).

csmallfield
01-22-2010, 12:17 PM
Man, I really need to not be working this weekend, 60 hour work weeks and this challenge are not a good mix :) Hopefully on Sunday I'll have time to really do something.

New sketches coming soon!

raultabajara
01-23-2010, 10:10 AM
Very good idea!
is the first western that i see in this challeng.
good luck

Danko
01-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Cool concepts!
I'd also like to see a western theme for a b-movie :D
Keep on, looks cool! :thumbsup:

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 07:58 AM
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A possible sci-fi sketch

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:00 AM
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Sort of a cross between Lydia from Beetlejuice, Bride of Frankenstein and Buck Rogers. I'm not sure where it's going actually :)

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:03 AM
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A new thought, some kind of demon/samurai gunslinger cleaning out some hellish town in the old west.

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:04 AM
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Maybe my old west cowboys will fight robots. I call this one Andy. He's 50 ft tall.

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:08 AM
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A drawing I made while watching "My Name is Nobody"

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:08 AM
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The pathetic clerk.

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 08:09 AM
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The face of evil ... or of salvation?

RageOfAges
01-26-2010, 08:23 AM
Well historically, the Cowboys were the bad guys. cruel villains and bank robbers. Over time, though, the name cowboy got coined for anyone riding a horse and herding cows. Pop culture then turned 'em into good guys.

So, return to the past? Or stick with the genre. I don't know, both ideas are cool. In a scene with cowboys and mutant killer gorilla robots, I'm having a hard time seeing the cowboy as the antagonist.

Lol mutant gorilla robots makes me think of the "Giant Albino Gorilla cyborgs" from futurama.

Cheers and nice progress.

-rage

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 09:38 AM
I'm definitely thinking of cowboys in the sense of Spaghetti Westerns of the 70's. Dark humor, silent,deadly, and crazy fast anti-heroes. You make a deal with them and you may have just made a deal with the devil, he may clean up your mess, but is the cost too high? It's often higher than they expect. But there is still a kind of honor, even among rivals. The similarities between Samurai/Ronin movies and those westerns of the time are unmistakable. So why not combine them? Maybe throw some supernatural elements in too.

I'm starting to move away from the mutant gorillas, but I'm not sure. The mutant gorilla seems to be appealing to people the most.

I'm giving myself til the end of January to lock something in, then really begin making this sucker.

Any thoughts are definitely welcome, I'm really not married to any idea yet, just a lot of stuff floating around.

RageOfAges
01-26-2010, 09:47 AM
I wouldn`t recommend catering to the crowd. If you don't want mutant gorillas, then it'll be a tedious chore to tackle and you won't give it your best. My suggestion is to stick to what you want to do. Easier to find inspiration in that case.

cheers

-rage

lbelerique
01-26-2010, 09:51 AM
Eheh, this thread is reminding me of Muse's Knights of Cydonia videoclip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sBOsh-vyI), which is only a good thing :)
Keep it up!

csmallfield
01-26-2010, 11:13 AM
That is my all-time favorite video! I exploded with awesomeness when I saw that. I saw Muse play it live in Berlin, they did an intro to it by playing the theme from Once Upon a Time in the West (arguably the best western ever).

If anyone hasn't seen it check it out here

Muse - Knights of Cydonia (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2011249092)

LadyMedusa
02-01-2010, 08:46 AM
I'm starting to move away from the mutant gorillas, but I'm not sure. The mutant gorilla seems to be appealing to people the most.

Don't stick whit it for the people, stick whit it if you want to.

Cowboys can go well with anything as long as the picture is cool ;)

Nemoriko
02-08-2010, 12:46 AM
Really good concepts! ;-) I like it ...und viel Glück :wip:

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 12:47 PM
@RageofAges and @LadyMedusa- you are totally right, I'm going with the western theme, it's what I want to do and I think it will look cool, regardless of my chances of winning.

@Nemorico Danke! Du Auch!

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 12:56 PM
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It's been a while since I posted, but I'm going to put a full day in on this picture today, I figured I'd do little updates throughout the day as I work. I'm going for a Samurai Western, in the style of Sergio Leone and Akira Kurosawa. This is the super basic mesh of the anti-hero so far. look for more updates as the day progresses.

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 01:19 PM
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more rough definition

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 02:21 PM
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I got the anti-hero to a nice place, now I'm going to simultaneously work on the samurai/ronin character, trying to keep them at about the same level.

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 04:06 PM
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Refined some details on the samurai character, and did a rough paint over in photoshop to see what this guy will look like with some facial hair. I'm digging it so far. Comments and crits very welcome!

csmallfield
02-08-2010, 08:53 PM
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Added some more detail to the anti-hero and did a quick paintover for him as well.

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