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wysiwyg25
01-12-2010, 03:45 AM
Hey guys,

I need some advice on what processor to buy in order to upgrade the performance of my PC. I know there is a lot of topic about this but I was not able to find the info I知 looking for. Here are the softwares I知 using from the most to less important.

- Photoshop CS4
- 3dsmax 2010
- Mudbox
- Zbrush
- Gaming

I work in the gaming industry so I don稚 do much rendering. I need good performance in the viewports when I知 modeling/rotating and I need to be able to edit big files in Photoshop. I知 looking for a processor that is well suited for CAD that can also run games (does it exist? :))

I would like, if possible, to keep my actual computer and upgrade the processor/motherboard. I wanted to spend around 800$ for it. Here is my actual system spec (4 years old) :

- Operating system: Windows XP 32 bit
- CPU type: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz
- CPU Speed (GHz): 1.882
- System memory (GB): 1.999
- Graphics card model: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS
- Dell Ultrasharp 2709 (1920x1200)

Sorry if you know a thread that asked the same question. If so, maybe you could point me on?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

wysiwyg25
01-12-2010, 09:57 PM
From the threads I have read here, this is what I figured would be the best for my budget. What do you think?

i7 920 (+or-300$)
Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6GB (+or-200)
Video card HD 5850 (+or-300$)

Thanks

olson
01-12-2010, 10:22 PM
From the threads I have read here, this is what I figured would be the best for my budget. What do you think?

i7 920 (+or-300$)
Corsair XMS3 DDR3 6GB (+or-200)
Video card HD 5850 (+or-300$)

Thanks

I don't see a motherboard in there? Motherboard will be pretty expensive for a Core i7. Without a video card it could be done in your budget but if you want a good video card in the same budget then I'd suggest a Phenom II 965 at 3.4 GHz. The processor and the motherboard are about $300 together. Then you could throw 8GB in there and a new video card all within your budget. Cheers!

wysiwyg25
01-12-2010, 11:10 PM
Thanks for your answer. I will consider this.

Jettatore
01-12-2010, 11:49 PM
Just an idea here, but for your intended purposes and budget requirements I would consider the following.

#1. Upgrade to 64bit operating system. XP or Windows 7 x64.
#2. More ram. Get 4GB minimum, 8GB if your motherboard can handle it.
#3. Upgrade the video card. (Great for gaming and CG) I recommend something like the Nvidia GTX 260. (make sure your power supply is good)

You would see nice benefits from going to a new motherboard and i7 cpu for sure (mainly when rendering/processing computations), however you are not even getting the most out of the CPU you have now. I run an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz in 64bit (not overclocked), have a GTX 260 and 8GB of RAM and my older computer preforms all of the tasks you want yours to like a champ.

wysiwyg25
01-12-2010, 11:53 PM
Thanks,
so you are telling me that even right now I'm not using the full power of my actual system because I run a 32 bit system? Upgrading to XP 64 without making any hardware changes would considerably improve the performance in 3dsmax 2010 / photoshop cs4 etc?

Jettatore
01-13-2010, 01:17 AM
Upgrading to x64 bit AND adding more RAM will give you the biggest performance boost for every single one of your purposes.

olson
01-13-2010, 02:54 AM
Thanks,
so you are telling me that even right now I'm not using the full power of my actual system because I run a 32 bit system? Upgrading to XP 64 without making any hardware changes would considerably improve the performance in 3dsmax 2010 / photoshop cs4 etc?

Applications would have access to more memory. Scenes could be larger and more complex, higher resolution, etc. Though it wouldn't run any faster. Agreed that you should use a 64-bit operating system with your upgraded hardware, but upgrading to 64-bit operating system alone on your current hardware isn't going to make anything render faster. Cheers!

Jettatore
01-13-2010, 02:54 AM
That's not entirely correct. If said software is coded for 64 bit.

Basically, when a processor spins a line of code in 32 bit, it's well, 32 bit code. Meaning 32 1's and 0's (binary). When it does it in 64 bit, it's using 64 1's and 0's per instruction. You can certainly improve render times with the appropriate software.

olson
01-13-2010, 03:33 AM
Basically, when a processor spins a line of code in 32 bit, it's well, 32 bit code. Meaning 32 1's and 0's (binary). When it does it in 64 bit, it's using 64 1's and 0's per instruction.

A 64-bit application isn't inherently faster than a 32-bit application. There are some performance improvements due to instructions and optimizations like SSE4 for some tasks, but something being 64-bit alone will not make it any faster than the 32-bit sibling. What it will do is allow access to substantially more memory. Installing more memory and a 64-bit operating system will help some but its not going to be twice as fast at rendering, probably not even 10% faster. Upgrading to a quad core processor (and more memory with a 64-bit operating system) will yield much greater performance improvements, like twice as fast.

wysiwyg25
01-13-2010, 03:40 AM
Thanks for your answer guys.

As said before though, I work mostly in the viewports of my 3d applications... I don't render at all. I often use the 'show map in viewport using hardware' in 3dsmax 10 to see my normals and spec while rotating. I only render some normals from Zbrush once in a while. I create game stuff and I don't think I would benefit much from rendering improvements.

I need to be able to work with heavy subdivided models zbrush/mudbox and work with 2048/2048 texture files in Photoshop. I also like to import my 3d models in photoshop cs4 to paint but right now my video card is having a hard time (open gl issues I guess - pretty slow).

My new hardware need to cover those core needs for me.

Jettatore
01-13-2010, 03:55 AM
Mudbox mainly uses the 3D video card.
ZBrush mainly uses your system memory.
Photoshop mainly uses system memory, though CS4 has changed this and all the new openGL features that effect things down to your brush stroke use the video card as well.

Prior to the rendering stage, CG apps like Maya, Softimage and 3D Max will be using your video card for viewport display. Operations like, subdivide or smooth etc. will use the processor, but most of the operations, much like Photoshop filters, work so fast now a days that you likely wouldn't upgrade just for that.

Considering your looking at an 'upgrade' and not a new machine altogether. I can guarantee you that moving to a x64 operating system, adding more RAM and gaining video card upgrade, in that order, are your most effective upgrades for your specific listed purposes.

olson
01-13-2010, 04:14 AM
Thanks for your answer guys.

As said before though, I work mostly in the viewports of my 3d applications... I don't render at all. I often use the 'show map in viewport using hardware' in 3dsmax 10 to see my normals and spec while rotating. I only render some normals from Zbrush once in a while. I create game stuff and I don't think I would benefit much from rendering improvements.

I need to be able to work with heavy subdivided models zbrush/mudbox and work with 2048/2048 texture files in Photoshop. I also like to import my 3d models in photoshop cs4 to paint but right now my video card is having a hard time (open gl issues I guess - pretty slow).

My new hardware need to cover those core needs for me.

Ahh, saw rendering in the first post but missed the "not much" which is the important part. Even still, a Phenom II 965 at 3.4 GHz (the stock speed) will be a huge improvement over a Core 2 processor with 1.86 GHz clock even if its only using one core of the four. Cheers!

wysiwyg25
01-13-2010, 01:05 PM
Ok then.... I'll do some research with your advices guys and I'll post here what I find :) Thanks again!

wysiwyg25
01-15-2010, 04:04 AM
Hey olson, I was looking around on this forum and I found another discussion you had with a guy. I saw the suggestions you posted and I feel this would fit my needs. Do you still believe in this setup? Similar to what you already told me :

ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$84.99

PNY Optima 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model
$163.98 ($81.99 each)

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model
$199.99

Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power
$109.99

Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare
$84.99

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS-324-98 - Retail
$31.99

HIS H467PS1GH Radeon HD 4670 iSilence4 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
$102.99

Total
$778.92


Also, I would like to know what parts I could keep on my actual computer. Here is a picture of the invoice of my actual setup :) :

http://www.olivierbourgeois.ca/actualComputer.jpg

I'm wondering if there is anything that I can keep to save money. I don't need a new hard drive and dvd etc.

Also, I was looking first for the HD 5850 but I feel that the 4890 would do the job, for 100$ less. Any thoughts?

olson
01-15-2010, 04:20 AM
Hey olson, I was looking around on this forum and I found another discussion you had with a guy. I saw the suggestions you posted and I feel this would fit my needs. Do you still believe in this setup? Similar to what you already told me :

ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$84.99

PNY Optima 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model
$163.98 ($81.99 each)

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model
$199.99

Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power
$109.99

Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare
$84.99

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS-324-98 - Retail
$31.99

HIS H467PS1GH Radeon HD 4670 iSilence4 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
$102.99

Total
$778.92


Also, I would like to know what parts I could keep on my actual computer. Here is a picture of the invoice of my actual setup :) :

http://www.olivierbourgeois.ca/actualComputer.jpg

I'm wondering if there is anything that I can keep to save money. I don't need a new hard drive and dvd etc.

Also, I was looking first for the HD 5850 but I feel that the 4890 would do the job, for 100$ less. Any thoughts?

The case could be used again but would probably need a larger power supply if upgrading the video card too (500W or so would be good). Like you said the DVD drive and hard drive could be used again. The video card could be used again unless you want to upgrade. The Radeon 4890 is a fast card indeed but it would use more electricity and generate more heat than the Radeon 5850. Can't say much more than that cause I've never used the 5850. Cheers!

wysiwyg25
01-19-2010, 04:13 AM
Hey guys. I have been looking around for all the pieces and this is what I ended with. Any thoughts before I order?

Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR - Retail
Model #:KVR1333D3K2/4GR
x2 = 216.98 CAN$

ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:M4A77TD
89.99 CAN$

MSI N260GTX Twin Frozr OC GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:N260GTX Twin Frozr O
189.99 can$

BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.8 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
Model #:GS-550
59.99 can$

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGMBOX - Retail
Model #:HDZ965FBGMBOX
205.99 CAN$

Total = 762.94 CAN$

Thanks :)

olson
01-19-2010, 04:26 AM
Hey guys. I have been looking around for all the pieces and this is what I ended with. Any thoughts before I order?

Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR - Retail
Model #:KVR1333D3K2/4GR
x2 = 216.98 CAN$

ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:M4A77TD
89.99 CAN$

MSI N260GTX Twin Frozr OC GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:N260GTX Twin Frozr O
189.99 can$

BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.8 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
Model #:GS-550
59.99 can$

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGMBOX - Retail
Model #:HDZ965FBGMBOX
205.99 CAN$

Total = 762.94 CAN$

Thanks :)

I wouldn't trust that power supply any further than I could throw it. PC Power & Cooling is all you need to know about power supples. Corsair makes a few nice units too. Cheers!

gawl126
01-19-2010, 04:27 AM
I wouldn't trust that power supply any further than I could throw it. PC Power & Cooling is all you need to know about power supples. Corsair makes a few nice units too. Cheers!

PCP&C is a brand I trust too. Corsair is great along with Seasonic.

wysiwyg25
01-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Here are the three I found at newegg.ca (I'm ordering everything from there). I didn't find anything affordable for PCP (450$ ishh) :

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-550VX
98.49 CAN$

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-650TX
109.99 CAN$

Antec earthwatts EA500 500W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7/Core i5" ... - Retail
Model #:EA500
87.99 CAN$

Thanks again for your time guys.

goldilocks20
01-19-2010, 06:02 PM
Video games supporting hardware acceleration by PhysX can be accelerated by either a PhysX PPU or a CUDA-enabled GeForce GPU, thus offloading physics calculations from the CPU, allowing it to perform other tasks instead用otentially resulting in a smoother gaming experience.

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