Toy, He-man

[kiko3d]

Here it is

http://kikoman.250free.com/Hemanbrazil.jpg

[kiko3d]

I can´t post the wire because I don´t find the way to make it fit into the maximum size, so anybody can help me?
By the way, no answers yet, please fell free to comment anything.

[dmcgrath]

This is for you:


http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49778



I had one of these as a kid, and it looks okay so far. Get more done and then give us some updates.

[kiko3d]

Thank you very much, can you help me about getting a job in the industry, I mean what skills are more valuable?

[kiko3d]

Here you can see the image better.

http://www.redrival.com/kikoman/TorsoHM.jpg

[dmcgrath]

As far as getting a job in the computer industry, you can check around on this forum, do a search, and also look in the job postings area. There you can see what is in demand.
I only know from what other people have told me, but the most important things are:

1-Good drawing skills.
2-Ability to communicate.
3-Work well with others.

Really 3D can be taught to a person fairly easily. It is good if you have a working knowledge of at least one 3D program, but drawing and communication skills are essential.

How old are you?

[Kenter]

If it's 3D you want to do in the industry than just create cool models.The rest will take care of it's self.Once you get top 25% type work it all falls into place.Originality and style help tons too.
Your chest is too expanded,even for Heman,plus get rid of those folds in his chest,right near the center area.:beer:

[kiko3d]

I think the proportions are quite right, it´s preetty much the same sas the toy I got here. And what do you mean with a 25% top job?And the folds are maybe too exagerated, I´ll work on that.

[kiko3d]

I¨ve fixed it a little bit still needing tweaking

http://www.redrival.com/kikoman/TorsoHM1.jpg

[kiko3d]

Here´s the back, crits are welcome, I´ve fixed the overall shape a little bit

http://kikoman.250free.com/TorsoHMBackS1.jpg

[kiko3d]

Please feel free to do any coments about the model, and I have a quiestion to ask you, What do you think is better to study? Sculpture or Illustration, I mean wich of them is more useful for 3dcg, thanks.

[Kalasfixaren]

looks like you've modelled it off a sphere or something, looks really inflated.

Good modeling though

[kiko3d]

It´s actually modeled from a cylinder, but anyway the toy it´s kind of inflated. I got to make some adjustments.

[Lestat]

Looks very toy-muscle-like. Do you have a ref you could post? I haven't played with he-man toys in who knows how long. :)

L.

[kiko3d]

Kalasfixaren: do you think this type of modeling is good enough to get a job?

[kiko3d]

Well as the matter of fact I don´t have a digital camera, or a scaner, so I think I can post it, but yes your right, is kind of inflated

[Lestat]

Originally posted by kiko3d
Please feel free to do any coments about the model, and I have a quiestion to ask you, What do you think is better to study? Sculpture or Illustration, I mean wich of them is more useful for 3dcg, thanks.
Both are usefull. Sculptures allow you to walk around the work and study it from all angles, but what's really interesting is often texture, lighting and proportions (and composition), which can be studied just as easily from a good illustration.

I personally use Burne Hogarth's books a lot in my illustration and modelling. He has a great way of explaining how to observe proportions and how to measure the basic features.
Also, his anatomy schetches rock! :)

L.

[kiko3d]

Do you know where to find a book of those?

[Cannon454]

kiko3d --> Check out Finart.sk. It's a great source for well... :rolleyes: source images on the human form. I know you are modeling this from a toy. But I noticed something in the back. The muscles and definition are off. The modeling is excellent. But think about the context in which it is shown. You know what you expect from a toy in the way of porportions and correctness. Eventhough this is a toy, I would strongly suggest looking and studying the human form... and from that distorting untill you achive what you want. The modeling here proves that this is possible. Excellent. :thumbsup:

[kiko3d]

Ok thanks I will, but as the matter of fact, what I want to achieve is a toy, not a human, so don´t need to model all the muscles as accurate as in the human body.

[Lestat]

Originally posted by kiko3d
Do you know where to find a book of those?
If by "those" you mean Burne Hogarth's books, then amazon has some. Cheap, too.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0823015777/qid=1061927844/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-3576903-3478437?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

The one i have is called "Dynamic Anatomy" and focuses mainly on the anatomical aspect, what muscles go where and why and how to get them right. He also covers the basics like locating and placing the major masses of the head and so on. IMO his explanations are really good. And $14 is hard to beat! :)

I have a book by Tim Hildebrandt too, which is a good primer on how light and shadow works, plus his a brilliant artist. (Does mainly bookcovers, but is also known for the first StarWars poster with Darth in the background and barely recognisable Mark Hamil and "Leia" in the foreground.)

L.

[kiko3d]

Lestat: do you take drawing clases, or did you?

[Cannon454]

Yeah.. you got it. Toys are often times based off the simplification and exageration of the human form. Simplification allows for a better understanding of characters as a whole. Think about comic books. Exageration shows forshadowing of a characters ability. So in the end. If a group of muscles are not correct. They will still look not correct, even if they are based off of the real toy. So, in the end your 3d model will be more accurate and their for look better than your toy. :applause: Keep up the hard work

[dmcgrath]

Originally posted by Cannon454
Yeah.. you got it. Toys are often times based off the simplification and exageration of the human form. Simplification allows for a better understanding of characters as a whole. Think about comic books. Exageration shows forshadowing of a characters ability. So in the end. If a group of muscles are not correct. They will still look not correct, even if they are based off of the real toy. So, in the end your 3d model will be more accurate and their for look better than your toy. :applause: Keep up the hard work
I can understand your logic about what you are saying, but to me, that does really look like the toy so far. As long as kiko keeps up appearances by making the arms and legs seperate pieces, I don't think the over exaggerated musculature is bad at all.
I say the closer to the toy the better.

[Lestat]

Originally posted by kiko3d
Lestat: do you take drawing clases, or did you?
Nope, never. I'm self-taught. I'm not that great an illustrator, but i'm not terrible either. I'm sure drawing classes would have helped me, but that wasn't the route i took. (I'm actually a graphics designer).

L.

[kiko3d]

So do you think that drawing clases and some kind of illustration training is enough, or maybe finearts would be even better?

[kiko3d]

I think the torso is pretty much done for now, give me some feedback about the material, does it look like plastic, I´m using 3dsmax if you wanna help.http://kikoman.250free.com/torsohm.jpg

[LIMBAUL_ABIGGOR]

looks like the toy i used to have them all and they all had the same body lol, so it does look like the toys, just a tip try modeling your next model frome a cube, u can run into truble with shpere and clyinders , well from the experinace i had, keep it up :)

[kiko3d]

Ok thanks for the tips

[kiko3d]

This is the arm so far, tell me what you think, it´s kind of tricky to model it, but I´m getting it.

[grymmeg]

Watch out so you don't use to many unnecessary polygons, not only because it is expensive (=takes much of the system) it's also make the meshsmooth effect less effective.

[kiko3d]

Yes you are right, What I´m tyring to do is to find the way to do it the best possible, I´ve searched for some images in the web to learn about topology and I don´t find much, do you know of anyone, that would be very helpful, thanks.

[dmcgrath]

http://www.boris3d.de/tutorials.html

This guy has Maya tutorials, but the database is H-U-G-E. Generally a modeling tutorial might be program specific, but I think you can interpret the topology pictures the same on most programs.

[kiko3d]

Hi, guys this is a new update for testing lightracer, and the proportions of the arms, needs a lot of tweaking already, but i think I´m getting it the way I want it. Do you think this would be nice for a modelling reel? I mean along with other models.
Please be crits.

http://kikoman.250free.com/Torsoarmtest.jpg

[kiko3d]

This is a test with max radiosity, by the way do you know of any tutorials for brazil?

[Troy]

I like it, it does seem very inflated, but still cool.

What method are you using to model it?

[kiko3d]

Yes you´re right maybe it´s a bit too wide, I´m gonna work on that, it´s actually modeled out of a cilynder, but it´s like the box modeling in max, just cut the polygons till I got the desired shape.
I´ve already edited the iamge above I´ve made it a little bit thiner, and it matches much more the overall shape of the character.

[kiko3d]

I need some feedback for the character please, do you think this is commercial quality, or even could make a front page when finished?

[babaloud]

looking good.

it's a little inflated, (see the image)i think is something like that...i'm sorry for drawing over your render

[kiko3d]

Nope, it´s not like that. You gotta see the model, it´s a toy so it´s overexagerated. It´s a pity that I can´t post any reference cause I got no camera, but as soon as I get one I will.

[kiko3d]

Do you tink this model is getting commercial quality? If not, what does it need?

[kiko3d]

Do you think this model is getting commercial quality? If not, what does it need?

[Quarob]

Originally posted by kiko3d
Do you think this model is getting commercial quality? If not, what does it need?

Believe me, if you're looking for a "commercial quality" render, you have to finish it! It's the most important thing when modeling/animating/designing/etc.

Now being a little bit more specific, I could say the model is coming along nicely, I would go and fix what babaloud mentioned on his post.

[kiko3d]

I understand what you say about babaloud comment, maybe because it would look more conventional, but the fact is that the toy is like that and I wanna make it looks like the toy, maybe when finished you wold apreciate the shape better.
Por cierto tu eres español no?

[Quarob]

Could you post the reference images you're using to model He-Man (maybe you're using an actual toy?)?

Sip, spanish, de Madrid tambien :wavey:

[kiko3d]

Es que no tengo camara digital, pero lo estoy modelando del muñeco si, y te digo que tiene la espalda asi cantidad de exagerada si consigues ver alguno lo veras.
Has estudiado en algun lado en madrid?

[babaloud]

ok ..i understand now what you talking about...

i went to my parents house, guess i found my he-man toy....

hehehe

[kiko3d]

Finally I´ve managed to get a reference picture of he-man, now you can be more accurate with your crittics, and I definitely need some tips with the material i want a render like the picture, when done obviously, cause it´s not finished yet

http://kikoman.250free.com/hemanref.jpg

[kiko3d]

What do you think of the material, I think is not matching the picture quite enough, please help me should I aply a smoke map in the bump or something?

[kiko3d]

Please guys, I really need some feedback.

[kiko3d]

Here´s another update this time with brazil GI. Basically I think the modelling part is quite right for the moment, is the shader what concerns me, cause I can´t get the look of the picture, I mean it looks quite good but still cg. If anybody can help please feel free to say anything, and do you think I should model the wrinkles of the plastic? (See the photo for reference)

http://kikoman.250free.com/Hemanbrazil.jpg

[kiko3d]

This is a mental ray render from the brand new 3dsmax 6.
The modelling is coming, as I´m quite busy with school now


http://kikoman.250free.com/Fggiheman.jpg

[DoctorStopMo]

Wow! I thought I was never going to see this guy again! Cool update - when do we get to see his legs? :)

[kiko3d]

Maybe this week I post an update with the legs.

And does anyone have any clue about the mental ray in max 6?
Some place to find tutorials?

[VerticalVertex]

Excellent work.

[eburdeinick]

I really like the look of it, but i think you still need to work on the hand, the fingers -from the render- look really small

[kiko3d]

Well it´s actually kind of small in comparison with the arm, the photo just gives a fake perspective, and I gotta make the asymmetric deformations as well, don´t worry they´re coming.

[DaKrunch]

pues...
looks like the radiosity effect is too strong.
Anyway, addominals look a bit flat, the toy is rounder.

and just a very humile suggestion: finish modelling, then start with test rendering.

p.s. what are u studying?


p.p.s. i forgot! very cool model anyway! keep it up tio!

[kiko3d]

Estoy estudiando electronica, un modulo. Tu estas en madrid por lo que veo, que estudias tu?
SI quieres y tienes messenger esta es mi direccion kiko3d@hotmail.com

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