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velentry
12-08-2009, 06:08 PM
Hi All,

Im looking at different University's within England that are very well known for there courses so far i have read that Bournemouth and Huddersfield are the best but i just wanted to make sure i was looking at the right thing, also as i have done a National Diploma in Animation would i then go onto a foundation Degree or a HND sorry for the questions just been looking into it and getting a lil bit confused.

Thanks all in advance

James

DanielWray
12-08-2009, 06:32 PM
I think with a ND you could possibly get onto an Animation Degree. Depending on what you want to concentrate on you could possibly get on the Bsc if you have high enough grades, or a Ba if you have a solid portfolio and favor the more artistic aspects of animation, as opposed to the technical side, working photography/ audio/ video equipment and scripting, which is what you do a lot of on the Bsc courses.

I do believe bournemouth is currently the best choice in the uk, as far as universities go. To be honest though, regardless of where you study, if you learn not just in lectures and seminars, but in your spare time then you will do well after three/ four years of studying animation.

Also another place to look at is Aniamtion Mentor, Possibly one of the best places to become an exceptionally good animator, although it's all possible to do on your own, in your own time with your own study program (This could just be a set guide of what your going to learn, I.e. the basics of animation, portraying wieght, dynamics etc) by using books, DVD's and websites/ forums to educate yourself and of course to practice practice practice these techniques.

velentry
12-08-2009, 09:59 PM
yer when i was doing the ND the social life went out of the pan almost must have spent every second of every availible day learning Maya from books but while that was really good never got the help from another human being who could actually sit there and give pointers it was a new course and the teacher was a photography lecturer you can see the problem :p

I was thinking of using University as more of a refinement and to be honest problem go crazy with studying animation then i seem to find myself easily getting carried away with a project that i start

I think i mainly want to focus on character rigging its the buzz you get when you start moving around nodes and see this once inate object come to life sorry for the really stupid question what is the difference between a BSC and a BA for the ND i got distinction distinction merit which is AAB summin along those lines or AAC

Mark-Price
12-13-2009, 04:35 PM
I am currently in my second year studying a BTEC Nationa diploma in games dev. Im off to university next year and i've applied to bournemouth, teesside, glamorgan and derby. Teesside is my first choice at the moment because I already have an offer on the computer animation and games art courses. The computer animation course is worth checking out. Its skillset accredited, so its favoured by the industry. You should check out their website and look at what previous students have made at 3DTees (http://www.3dtees.org)

Bournemouth is arguably the best university for animation in britain, though they have steep entry requirements and the living costs down there can be quite expensive because its on the south coast. Personaly, I believe that you only get out what you put in. It doesnt really matter what course you choose, you still need to put the effort in yourself. Also universities will encourage you to learn independantly, from what I hear so it shouldnt be new to you. More importantly, id look at what equipment they have available and look at what their student have made. Those are the main reasons for my choices.

loraptor
12-14-2009, 10:53 AM
Any questions about Bournemouth guys? I've been answering them this morning anyway just post them here!

I'll be happy to help :D

Sully
12-14-2009, 11:37 AM
How successful are the students that study at bournemouth uni, I mean how many get jobs before leaving the course?

loraptor
12-14-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure how many it is before leaving the course but I do know that around 30% of the employees of the big 4 production studios in London are Bournemouth graduates!

Dumpduck
12-14-2009, 02:38 PM
Any questions about Bournemouth guys? I've been answering them this morning anyway just post them here!

I'll be happy to help :D

How much of the course involves math?
I'm not very fond of math, and that is why I've (as of now) thought of a lot other places than Bournemouth, because they promote themselves as being more artistic and therefore do not require math.

moidphotos
12-14-2009, 09:56 PM
Hi All,

Im looking at different University's within England that are very well known for there courses so far i have read that Bournemouth and Huddersfield are the best but i just wanted to make sure i was looking at the right thing, also as i have done a National Diploma in Animation would i then go onto a foundation Degree or a HND sorry for the questions just been looking into it and getting a lil bit confused.

Thanks all in advance

James

Hi James

If you've done an ND in animation you could certainly consider applying to a degree in animation, I would avoid a Foundation Degree unless you have no other option though, they are not the same as a real degree and nobody will recognise them outside of the UK if it's important to you to work abroad. The HND qualification is slowly being replaced by thet Foundation Degree (they are very similar, it's just that the government thinks that if you put the word degree into 'Foundation Degree' instead of calling the course HND, more people will apply because they think they are getting a degree qualification. They aren't.) Some animation courses may require you to study an Art Foundation course first if your drawing skills aren't strong enough.

I'd love to know where you read that Huddersfield is considered one of the best animation colleges in the UK...

moidphotos
12-14-2009, 10:00 PM
I am currently in my second year studying a BTEC Nationa diploma in games dev. Im off to university next year and i've applied to bournemouth, teesside, glamorgan and derby. Teesside is my first choice at the moment because I already have an offer on the computer animation and games art courses. The computer animation course is worth checking out. Its skillset accredited, so its favoured by the industry. You should check out their website and look at what previous students have made at 3DTees (http://www.3dtees.org)



I hate to upset you but nobody in the industry thinks anything of Skillset accreditation. That little tickbox logo just means that Skillset/the government think the course is good and that some poor lecturer actually spent several days filling out a 65 page document and finding a few hundred pieces of work to accompany it. The logo is just there so students think they are going to a good animation course.

AndyConnell
01-04-2010, 07:18 PM
Hi Velentry,

I'm a 2nd year student at Thames Valley university and i'd like to recommend that whatever your decision, remember as i'm sure so many folks have probably said to you before, the only person responsible for your learning is you.

I was unlucky with universities as i made the decision to go to university in May. I had to finally give in to that little voice in my head telling me to follow my dream and do something artistic and i couldn't wait for another year to do it so i jumped on to a course which wasnt yet full.

Best decision i ever made, not because of the standard of the university (unfortunately there is a need for much better equipment), but because i've found the one thing i could spend the rest of my life doing.

I stress this because there will be times when you'll be aiming to meet deadlines and complete a section of work and you can feel the pressure mounting up.
It's at this point when your love for what you do keeps you going and you'll end up surprising yourself with what your able to teach yourself and what problems you can fix for yourself.

I think in all honesty, in this regard i'm glad i went to TVU. I've had to do alot to facilitate my own learning and work within hardware restrictions. The lecturers are great for helping you get ideas going but could never really help solve technical issues or suggest better methods of workflow.
However when i think about it, its actually helped me to develop alot faster than i think i might have done if i had access to better equipment and lecturers.

So - even though ive seen alot of wonderful stuff coming from other universities i wish i could have gone to, I think once you're there push yourself at every stage. it really makes the difference and although you might never satisfy your own expectations (we're always overly self critical around deadlines i think) you will almost certainly learn something new each time you do and the end result will hopefully be that when you come to look for that first foot in the door you'll have something that an employer can recognise and develop with you so that together you can start impressing an audience.

Good luck, gratz on the first step too

SteveOlliffe
01-04-2010, 09:29 PM
Hi guys, sorry if I am reading this a bit late but better late than never I guess.

I graduated with a BA (Hons) Computer Animation from The University of Teesside 2 years ago so thought I would share a bit of first hand experience with you. Obviously I can't comment much on the others but hopefully someone else can.

Enrolling with UCAS five years ago while doing a Foundation Degree in Art and Design at the University of Hertfodshire, my A levels already safely in the bag, and a decent life drawing portfolio under my arm I was granted 5 out of 6 unconditional offers to my choices.

The 6th was Bournemouth where I got an interview, this consisted of a day down at campus. The day was made up of life drawing sessions, drawing human poses in 30 seconds to a minute for a decent period of time. There was then a math test and logic test, followed then by an interview and showing of my portfolio. All in all a very nerve wracking day.
After all that I wasn't accepted, but out of 1600 applicants and then only 300 to interviews and on to only 60 places it is very very tough. So that is all I can tell you of Bournemouth.

I chose to go to Teesside based on facilities, at the time Teesside had just had massive funding into their school of computing so it was way bigger and more up to date than anywhere else.
If you have already studied 3D apps or some animation then first year will be a real bore for you as Universities use it as a year to get everyone up to the same speed and level which is beginner. So you really do get out of it what you put in, do as much self teaching as possible, follow tutorials, collaborate with people on the course do anything really because your tuition fees wont go very far.

Second year I have to really credit Teesside, I was tutored by an industry professional who had sold her half of a studio to teach and spend more time with her kids. A fabulous tutor, learnt possibly more than my brain could handle in the second year.

Third Year is all about putting everything you know in place and creating a short film which again is all about what you put into it.
The degree at Teesside is a BA so Batchelor of Art and it is still marked 60% on your dissertation and only 40% on your animation. This means that your grade will be better if you put more time into writing a 10,000 word essay than your animation which is very worrying considering what I will next tell you.

Once graduating I moved back down south with my folks just north west of M25 by 10mins and applied to every studio I could find in London for the position of runner, entry level stuff to get me in the door sort of thing. NO ONE cared that I had a degree, it DID NOT mean anything to the industry, all anyone wants to see id your reel.

After 3months of demoralising job hunting I eventually got asked to come into Fluid Pictures studio for an informal meeting. After going in and talking about what the studio was doing and new projects coming up I returned home thinking at least I had met someone, 2 hours later I received an email offering me a project based contract for 8 months as a generalist and I started the next week. Once that contract ended I wound up once again unemployed for about 4 months as the industry went a bit quiet for the artists with less than 5 years experience. Since then I have worked for 14 months in Barcelona again as a generalist and am now back in London seeking work.

So if my story tells you anything, its - dont expect to get a job from a degree. Most of my colleagues are self educated and lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.
For me I tend to look back at it as a means to a cause. I had no idea where to start with animation or 3D apps or anything and the degree providing me with projects and deadlines to learn the skills i needed to, the fact that you are on here looking at this stuff suggests to me that you are already way passed first year level of a degree. If you have the discipline to learn and set yourself new goals to progress your skill then your money is better invested in online tutorials or even online mentoring rather than a degree.

I know I have written a bit of a book and it feels as though I have been writing a biography so if it comes across that way I am sorry, but I wanted to share my experience with you as I wish someone would have with me when I was in your situation.

Another little bit of info, two of the guys I worked with at Fluid were Teesside Graduates. I have never met a graduate from bournemouth other than those who graduated more than a decade ago and are now directors or lead artists as they got into the industry when it was only small and starting to grow. As far as i know there are 6-10 places to study 3D in the UK all of which graduate 40+ artists every year, there are around 30 animation and VFX studios in Londons soho housing between 5-20 artists in the average studio and around 80-100 artists in the 3 major ones. Getting all those graduates into a studio is impossible, so you really have to want it more than anyone else, give it 110% all the time because that is what 3D is all about.

I hope this is of some help, if there is anything else you would like to ask then I will try to help.

All the best and a Happy New Year

leigh
01-05-2010, 12:04 PM
I'd love to know where you read that Huddersfield is considered one of the best animation colleges in the UK...

I was wondering the same thing. I've never even heard of Huddersfield (well, I know of the city, just never heard anything about the uni).

leigh
01-05-2010, 12:07 PM
I have never met a graduate from bournemouth other than those who graduated more than a decade ago and are now directors or lead artists as they got into the industry when it was only small and starting to grow.

A large percentage of my colleagues are Bournemouth graduates, and almost all of them are in their mid 20s, meaning they graduated in the last five years. The same applies a lot of my previous colleagues at other London studios. I've definitely worked with more Bournemouth graduates than any other uni. They seem to have a knack for churning out technical artists, which studios like.

and around 80-100 artists in the 3 major ones.

That's a rather low figure, heh. When I used to work at DNeg, it was well over 300 people, and I think they're currently over 500. When I was at Framestore, we were well over 500-600, and where I am now at MPC, we're at a couple of hundred as well.

searcher48
01-06-2010, 08:49 PM
The degree at Teesside is a BA so Batchelor of Art and it is still marked 60% on your dissertation and only 40% on your animation. This means that your grade will be better if you put more time into writing a 10,000 word essay than your animation which is very worrying


Anyone know what percent ratio on the final grade marks written/practical for Hertfordshire and Bournemouth?

moidphotos
01-07-2010, 08:04 AM
At Hertfordshire the final grade is based on 25% written (dissertation) and 75% practical (creating a short animation, showreel and portfolio). We would prefer our students to be better known for the quality of their animations :)

rarebit
01-19-2010, 05:58 PM
First off I thought SteveOlliffe post (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=6280642&postcount=12) was inciteful, even though Leigh (CGS Staff) found his company numbers questionable.

Anyway...

I've done a lot of education in my life and have always found that no matter where you go you find some who do and some who don't. What I mean is, some people are there because they want to work, others because they want to play or even to just to get others to do their work for them.

Recently i've got to the point of doing it all my own way, in my spare time I enter small competitions, not necessarily to win, to as inspiration to try out new skills. Often this involves going through 2-4 online tutorials, before setting out to do my own thing. I also buy books whenever possible or really interested in, mainly because I can read them whilst relaxing and not actually doing...

At the end of the day it's up to you to make it happen! Don't blame others or incidents, you gotta just do it! As many have stated in this thread, generally it's about your actual showreal, not where you've been (even though that can be a door opener).

P.S. Does anybody know about any of the courses run in Sheffield?
P.P.S. Last centuary I really enjoyed Huddersfield Uni, had good direction and enthusiastic lecturers, not pompus at all, nice place...

velentry
01-19-2010, 08:30 PM
heya guys and girls,

sorry it may have seemed i have been inactive i have been doing work experience at an animation studio which i have to say has been the best time of my life I have been meeting new people who are all interested and have the same passion as i do for animation which is great and the fact that i have been able to work with a really great 3D artist and a 2D artist.

Sorry about the Huddersfield for some reason i miss read what i was supposed to say was Hertfordshire was kind of embarrassing when i was saying huddersfield to the guys in the animation studio only to look on UCAS to see Hertfordshire :banghead:

Currently i have applied for Bournemouth and Hertfordshire both are BA courses which is the one before a masters or so i believe at Bournemouth you seem to get two choices

1: Heavily focus's on the art aspect
2: Goes into some programming apparently but also looks at the art side

However i phoned them up and they said that for the first year the structure of the courses is exactly the same then they allow the student to choose which area they wish to specialise in which im guessing determines the course you finish off.

ooo yer and if anyone is having problems with an AO pass on poly plane hair message me lol was an epic problem i had to solve very happy i managed to :P would advise anyone who's interested in animation to do work experience or at least try you will have fun and im pretty sure it will only be a plus later on when you come to try and get a job.

Oh and no excuses about another job if your serious you can wrestle with two jobs like me :P yer you may be working every day but it won't kill you and you can learn so much

Thanks for all the replies and sorry about the meaty message :P

James

citizenvin
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
hi,
I got the offer for Msc animation and visual effects @ bournemouth. but the course structure is full of scripts( programming concepts)little bit i lack on scripts. I want to specialize in character animation. can i go with this offer.. i applied for three univs

1.Bournemouth Msc animation and visual effects (got conditional offer)

2. Teesside MA 3d digital character animation (applied waiting for result)

3.Hertfordshire MA 3d Digital animation (applied waiting for result)

which i can choose in these three.

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