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SheepFactory
08-19-2003, 04:40 PM
Quote from the Animation magazine article:

"Ever on the lookout to find the next Pixar, Disney is teaming with a brand new animation house stocked with recent grads from a top design college to develop hoped-for future hits.

Pasadena-based Shadebox has signed with the Mouse House to develop the animated feature Let's Get Francis. Set in a pet store, the tale revolves around two brother hamsters who are split up when one of them is bought by a little girl. After the other sibling runs away in a fit of jealousy, the other pets in the store set on a journey to rescue him. "



interesting

RobertoOrtiz
08-19-2003, 05:18 PM
Cough Cough.!
Couuugh Finding Nemo redux Cough!

My where did that come from?
-R

SheepFactory
08-19-2003, 05:29 PM
Sounds a lot like Toy story 1 & 2 also.


:)

Gentle Fury
08-19-2003, 05:45 PM
actually it sounds like every animated movie to come out of the 80's

Array
08-19-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by Sheep Factory
Quote from the Animation magazine article:

"Ever on the lookout to find the next Pixar, Disney is teaming with a brand new animation house stocked with recent grads from a top design college to develop hoped-for future hits.

Pasadena-based Shadebox has signed with the Mouse House to develop the animated feature Let's Get Francis. Set in a pet store, the tale revolves around two brother hamsters who are split up when one of them is bought by a little girl. After the other sibling runs away in a fit of jealousy, the other pets in the store set on a journey to rescue him. "



interesting

wait a second.......let me see if i got this correctly. theyre hiring a bunch of recent grads with ZERO production experience in a bid to outdo Pixar (which is stocked full of the best and some of the most experienced animators in the world, along with some of the best programmers in the world)??

ed209
08-19-2003, 06:30 PM
How many Studio's has Disney teamed up with? Vanguard, Core, Shadebox? The list just keeps on growning. Seems Disney's just throwing money around these days to try and save it's animated feature film devision.

asparapani
08-19-2003, 06:53 PM
I can't believe it. This is yet another example of a corporation losing it's vision in this buisness. Yo can't make it big on just " copy/paste" mentality. They will lose more and more market share, throwing more and more dollars on products that will bring them only medial profits. Their time has come and gone. These are the days of Pixar. Pixar sets the industry standard for animated movies in it's class these days.

mattregnier
08-19-2003, 07:22 PM
At least this may bode well for some recent college grads actually getting work *ahem, ahem ;) for once someone's catching a break to get into the industry...It would be nice to see more studios do this....it would be a great opportunity for us recent college kids...

Signal2Noise
08-19-2003, 07:22 PM
I still can't believe Disney passed on my animation company, "Nixar". We coulda been contenders, I tell you! :D

mind
08-19-2003, 08:08 PM
Signal to Noise!!! NIXAR???? AH I can't believe you ripped off MY animation studios' name...ah this is not fair...I don't play anymore!:blush:

Seriously, it is still too early to take any conclusions. Disney is still a big company, even bigger than Pixar I think. They can still choose different market strategies and I'm sure they have very well experienced marketing people to take on an intelligent market study to avoid any serious future damage. Although honestly, I believe Pixar wins the show now a days and definetely has all what it takes to beat Disney as a competition in a near future. Only competition brings up good stuff for the audiences in this "art/bisiness".

Geez, Finding Nemo...I love that movie.

richcz3
08-19-2003, 08:43 PM
Disney just needs to open up a studio arts division.
This would accomplish two things.
Develop talent accross smaller productions.
Get more features out to market

Pixar proved themselves with their short films.

Not everything has to be a colossal budgeted feature.

Hell, why don't we start our own artist studio. Hmm I have a couple of k's to invest...lets see where this goes. :beer:


richcz3

Peter Reynolds
08-19-2003, 09:11 PM
Disney exec's TOP SECRET movies TO DO list:

Finding Remo
The Incrediblest
Trucks
Shrak
Stone Age
I Robots
Stuffed Toy Story
Monsters Incarcerated
Put that OTHER thing back where it came from or so help me

richcz3
08-19-2003, 09:17 PM
LOL

RobertoOrtiz
08-19-2003, 10:49 PM
For some reason all these new CG movie announcements remind me of the WKRP's infamous Thanksgiving live Turkey drop. The joke was that the manager of the fictitious radio station believed that Turkeys could fly. So he had a helicopter drop live turkeys on a crowded parking lot.

With all these 1/2 brained ideas the marketing departments in these companies are pushing down our throats we are due for some huge turkeys of biblical proportions.


So when the Turkeys are finally dropped in Memorial weekend or the Xmas season we will surrounded only by Turkey carnage and a lot of feathers.

Hey its CG after all, how hard can it be?
-R

mental
08-19-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Peter Reynolds
Finding Remo
The Incrediblest
Trucks
Shrak
Stone Age
I Robots
Stuffed Toy Story
Monsters Incarcerated
Put that OTHER thing back where it came from or so help me
hehe... they all sound like porno movies titles.

Peter Reynolds
08-19-2003, 11:06 PM
Hey, thanks for reminding me Roberto...

There was a couple I left off the list:

Turkey Run
Horace and Vomit

Signal2Noise
08-19-2003, 11:33 PM
Don't forget:

Vinyl Fantasy

gmask
08-19-2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Sheep Factory
Sounds a lot like Toy story 1 & 2 also.


:)

I think they also decided that hamsters must be cute because of those blockbuster video commercials..

Icarus
08-19-2003, 11:57 PM
hmmm ... finding Remo


lol this a joke?

Rofl

TyR-

gmask
08-20-2003, 12:08 AM
How about Spinbad.. it's about a young DJ who isn't very good...

red_oddity
08-20-2003, 10:11 AM
Don't forget 'Road to Colorado'
It's about these 2 Spanish speaking immigrants...etc...

Then again, they have a long list with some very original ideas there too:

Skittered Away
Princess Monologue
Kiki's Escort service
La puta's brothel in the sky


you get the idea...

Milho
08-20-2003, 01:14 PM
My favorit is 'The Employes New Groove'

But seriously. I think Pixar can live without Disney. But can Disney live without Pixar? Well Treasure Planet and stuff before that flopped.
Dreamworks announced that they close their traditional animation studios (didn't it?) :shrug:

Never change a winning team. I will watch Pixar Movies, with or without a Disney on it. Still waiting for the next not-cartoony feature film, final fantasy was a risky but very cool approach. Who want's to risk some more?

Well imagine Pixar producing not 'childish' movies (though they are great). When I think about it I don't miss Disney. They should make a sequel of the emperor's new groove instead :cool:

headengine
08-20-2003, 02:13 PM
Quite apart from what Disney are doing right now - and it sure seems like they haven't a clue what that is - it's only fair to congratulate the folk at shadedbox for getting this deal.

They are in business after all, and they are CG folks like us.

Disney are of course in a bad spot right now. No more 2D features, Pixar deal *maybe* on the rocks(?), firing amazingly talented animators because they aint '3d' etc etc; theres a bunch of threads on this forum we've discussed this on.

More importantly - my point - I'm sure if anyone who is posting in this thread had a small company that they owned and sold a script/short to Dis to make/develop for a potential feature they would be pretty damn happy.....

Or am I wrong?

PokeChop
08-20-2003, 02:59 PM
I will watch Pixar Movies, with or without a Disney on it.

Ahhh yes, BUT, where will you buy your Nemo toothbrush, Nemo toothpaste, Nemo coffee mug, Nemo t-shirt, Nemo paper clips, Nemo stuffed animal, Nemo hair clip, Nemo handbag, Nemo mousepad, Nemo leather cellphone holder, Nemo snap-on Nokia cellphone faceplate, Nemo collector spoon, Nemo pen, Nemo backpack, Nemo water bottle, Nemo stationary, Nemo sunglasses, Nemo coasters, Nemo walkie-talkies, Nemo squirtguns, and let's not leave out the Nemo self-destruct-after-3-days-opening-DVD?

MadMax
08-24-2003, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Signal to Noise
Don't forget:

Vinyl Fantasy

There are just way too too many pornographic things this suggests.........

FloydBishop
08-24-2003, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Array
wait a second.......let me see if i got this correctly. theyre hiring a bunch of recent grads with ZERO production experience in a bid to outdo Pixar (which is stocked full of the best and some of the most experienced animators in the world, along with some of the best programmers in the world)??

Pixar was a start-up at one time too. Disney could have had half of Pixar in it's earlier days, and passed. I think Disney has learned their lesson in hindsight, and they want to get in on the ground floor with a company that has a lot of potential.

Congrats to everyone at Shaded Box.

you can read an interview with them here:

http://news.awn.com/index.php3?ltype=top&newsitem_no=9039

Peter Reynolds
08-24-2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Floyd Bishop
I think Disney has learned their lesson


LOL

TheGreenGiant
08-24-2003, 02:53 AM
I outgrew the Disney branding when I was 12 and that was years ago. Oh, and I outgrew it when I discovered anime.

DrAdamDinosaur
08-24-2003, 03:04 AM
I think at this point disney really need to be investing in an origional story division. As far as animated features go, treasure plannet flopped, sinbad flopped but lilo and stich made money (please correct me If Im wrong). I think everyones getting tired of animations being retellings of old or classic storys, which is where disney seems to have made a career.

urgaffel
08-24-2003, 06:44 PM
Disney was good at re-telling old stories, problem is nowadays they've seemed to forget that you can't just take a story and put it in space/the jungle/whatever. You need to adapt it, make it interesting, not dumb it down and cover it in eyecandy. And definitely not target a specific group since if it fails to appeal to that group, who will care for it?

I'm mostly thinking of Treasure Planet in this case, aimed at young boys/teenagers, with lots of eyecandy. It had it's good points, but I don't really see it as the kind of movie everybody would go and see... Targeting young boys/teenagers is bad idea since they have a tendency to change their mind hehe.

PhilOsirus
08-25-2003, 03:57 PM
I told you all!! :hmm: 3D movies are stuck in a cycle someone needs to break. All stories/settings are too often too similar.

Bass Hole, Shark Slayer, Finding Nemo.
Toy Story and Toy Soldeirs or whatever it was.
Monsters Inc and Ice Age (story-wise)
Finding Nemo's story was a lot like Toy Story 2's too, and now that hamster thing.

Stewart Little and Shrek among other movies might push in some originality.

danteort
08-25-2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Phil "Osirus"
I told you all!! :hmm: 3D movies are stuck in a cycle someone needs to break. All stories/settings are too often too similar.

Bass Hole, Shark Slayer, Finding Nemo.
Toy Story and Toy Soldeirs or whatever it was.
Monsters Inc and Ice Age (story-wise)
Finding Nemo's story was a lot like Toy Story 2's too, and now that hamster thing.

Stewart Little and Shrek among other movies might push in some originality.
Did you even see these movies you listed? I don't understand how you can think that these are the same.

By your logic, The Godfather and My Big Fat Greek Wedding are similar because they both have humans and take place on the planet Earth.

PhilOsirus
08-25-2003, 05:42 PM
How are they not simillar?

The Monsters Inc and Ice Age were both simillar in story. A group of creatures stuck with a little human child.

Toy Story 2 and Finding Nemo's rescue missions, in which case both have been "kidnapped" and taken to a strange world that is in fact a very ordinary one for us (toy collector shop and pet store).

Oh and A Bug's Life and Antz.

Then Bass Hole, Shark Slayer and Finding Nemo.


It IS too similar when you consider the small amount of 3D movies that have been made (I almost named them all). Plus the similar movies mentioned were often released very closely to one another.

FloydBishop
08-25-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Phil "Osirus"
Bass Hole, Shark Slayer, Finding Nemo.
Toy Story and Toy Soldeirs or whatever it was.
Monsters Inc and Ice Age (story-wise)
Finding Nemo's story was a lot like Toy Story 2's too, and now that hamster thing.

Wow! "Bass Hole" listed with theatrical releases? What an honor! No pressure!!

danteort
08-25-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Phil "Osirus"
Toy Story 2 and Finding Nemo's rescue missions, in which case both have been "kidnapped" and taken to a strange world that is in fact a very ordinary one for us (toy collector shop and pet store).
Well apparently you didn't pay very much attention, since Nemo is taken to a dentist's office, not a pet store.

And Monsters, Inc. and Ice Age are similar because they have a human child??? Are you insane? Monsters, Inc. takes place in an imaginary monster world, where a supposedly toxic human child wanders in and wrecks their way of life, until they realize she isn't deadly and adapt a new way of life. Ice Age takes place in the real world, though a long time ago, and is about a group of people who stumble across a human and try to take her back to her family while on their migration away from the cold. How are those not distinct from one another? Did you even watch them?

I think the two films you listed that are the closest are Antz and A Bug's Life. Yes they came out around the same time, but you know what? Who cares? I saw both, and I liked both. The fact that they were at the same time actually made me want to see both, in order to compare. Besides, Antz is aimed at a little more mature audience. (A Bug's Life is aimed at EVERYONE, while Antz has stuff that wouldn't appeal to children - Woody Allen, references to Hitler, etc.)

keithlango
08-26-2003, 08:25 AM
I think Osirus has a point- to a point. ;)

Ice Age and Monsters have similar theatrical premises, even if the look and design of the sets dressings, costumes and events behind each film is different (froma premise standpoint, both films were essentially renditions of "3 Men and a Baby"). The theme of each film is different though (theme in my book being the central truth or ideal that the filmmaker is trying to draw out and communicate with the film. All filmmakers have a theme.) Ice Age's theme was a neat blend of mercy and family. Monsters theme was about parenting (essentially Sully became a Dad) and it's impact on existing friendships (although Cicillia muddied those waters for me).
Same with Toy Story 2 and Nemo (both rescue adventures in premise) However, TS2 was drawing out some fairly deep questions about individual belonging, purpose, fate, usefulness, etc (a classic "Why am I here? What is my purpose?" self exploration story. See Hamlet), where as Nemo was about the conflicts of love holding too tightly versus letting go (another parenting theme).
Jimmy Neutron was about the value of family. Jonah was (quite unsubtly) about compassion and mercy.
Of the CG animated films made so far, Antz and A Bug's Life were actually the most thematically related (the value of the individual within a society and the strength of the society benefitting the individual).

When you look at premise (the kind of events and circumstances in which the story unfolds) it can be argued there's only a few basic story telling 'formulas' (in an archetypical sense).
However, that doesn't mean the genre is stuck in a rut, although I think it could very well be (if anything it's a comedic rut). We'll see what unfolds in the next few years. So far each film has been fairly successful in carving out it's own place in a thematic sense, even if the set dressings, costumes and premises are a bit too similar for taste. Based on what I've seen and read of Shark...whatever, and Nemo, about the only similarity would be that they have fish and are in an ocean. Thematically and premise wise they seem to be about as far apart as anything you could conceive.

Even Shrek, for all it's supposed originality was essentially an archetypical buddy travel film with an age old "beauty is only skin deep, it's what's on the inside that counts" theme. So much for that paragon of anti-establishment animated filmmaking. :annoyed:

-k

The Cross
08-26-2003, 08:29 AM
One thing to keep in mind is, Disney's actions open new jobs for animators, and even vastly effects the smaller Animation houses in that way, Meaning the probability for a less skilled artist will get a position.

Being a small feild and all, it's been appearant for quiet awhile now. Compare the quality of art and animation of 2D, with todays 2D stuff. The 80's is a greater time for televisied animation. Although few today are pretty good, the majority is crap. The same might occour for televised 3D. Not good...

I once mentioned somewhere in the boards, that Disney in truth is richer than every animation house in the world combined. Thus making them a force not to F with in this feild or they'll own your ass.

What's happening is, Disney's co-prouducing, and distributing is bogging down the quility of the smaller animation houses, this being a small feild and all. Brilliantly, It's not wise for Disney to create it's own studio to innalate....No i shouldn't say that...."Compete" against todays bigger digital houses. Better to develop a relationship with them and make more doe.

Preferance wise, they should indeed bring original stories, like other animation houses do once in a blue moon. Stich being their latest great creation isn't really that big a deal really...It was like "Look at that little blue thing, let's see what's it's about." In comparrison to Disney's Tarzan, ( I don't care who you are Disney's Tarzan was animated and told amazingly).

In the end (If things fall into place for Disney) They'll probably strike when they feel they've built enough security, profit wise, and absord the most out of their partnerships, making them the CEO of every major prouduction house. Then start going after the leftovers, including other big prouduction houses that are big, and open for shareholding. So long as everyone get's to keep their job's, and animation continues to be made for every audiance, it would be hard to classify it as a Monolopy. That would be a time when getting into the feild of animation, would be more difficult. And even so Disney would be even smarter to keep the people (and the animators) happy, or else it could cause quiet a leak in leagal matters in terms of animation.


If anyone would like to see another digital house blow away Pixar's Brilliance speak up. I know i would, and it's nothing personal. Any Failure to do so is definatly not funny, if you're into watching 3D presentations.

Peter Reynolds
08-26-2003, 10:27 AM
I think some of the issues being put forward in this thread aren't about which studio should beat which studio.

I think everyone would like to see more studios do well, and more animation to go into production.

I think some of the concerns put forward are more about wanting studios to produce a wider variety of work so that the animated films remain fresh to the general public. This is in hope that the industry thrives and grows, rather than peaks and slumps because we bash the audience over the head with the same thing and they get sick of it.

Marketing loves to be able to neatly box and sell one thing to the most amount of people. But what marketers and execs in the film industry don't seem to grasp is that a lot of people like variety (despite reading daily and weekly VARIETY, they still don't get this).

Yeah, its easy for US to say, "I saw Antz and A Bugs Life and I liked em both." I'm sure a ot here would say that. But we are not the "average/typical" audience that studios need to rely on. There are a lot of movie going public that don't give a damn about FX, animation, CG, etc. They just want to be entertained. And when they saw one bug movie a week ago, and the next one comes out, a lot of them will decide they're up for something else. BUT if it was one bug movie, followed a week later by, say... a robot movie, maybe more of the audience would see both. Everbody wins.

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