celshaded again

[ODoul]

You got style, man. If I was a chick, I'd ask you to father my babies. -- 3d_e

[eokorie]

U do have a serious knack for designing robots.... good job....

Any tips on the celshader? :beer: :thumbsup:

[squidinc]

it's this one :)

www.squidinc3d.co.uk/cgremote/cartoon-shader.c4d (http://www.squidinc3d.co.uk/cgremote/cartoon-shader.c4d)

[bobtronic]

Cool !!! That looks great. I remember this robot
finally you made a head. I would say some sort
of grafiti style.

Bob

[zendari]

where did you get that cartoon shader.
very cool. I like the way they work together 3D and cel shade:thumbsup:

[squidinc]

it's based on an idea kaiskai came up with ages ago, basically the celshaded look comes from increasing the diffuse falloff in the illumination settings until there is only light and dark and almost no gradual shading

[Cartesius]

You have an absolutely unique and attractive style! Usually I don't care for mechs and robots but somehow you manage to put that extra touch of character and personality into your stuff.

/Anders Kjellberg

[flingster]

heh heh...nice work squid.

very funky robot...and of course funky cellshade and you got a very good finished result.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[AdamT]

Very cool Squid! You ought to try using that shader with 12point0 to get internal lines in addition to the outline.

[LucentDreams]

good to see that idea is still working out for you, very nice results.

[artemesia66]

cool look. i like it.

[Iggy]

Squid, you rock! I love your bots! And the cel shading is really doing them right. I can't wait to see where this is going to go.

[VestanPance]

Squid I love it. When can we expect the action-figure? I need to get them for....uh...my boys...yeah.

[bobtronic]

Originally posted by VestanPance
I need to get them for....uh...my boys...yeah.

He, he ... but sure an action figure would be cool.

Bob

[anobrin]

Great!!:applause:

how are you getting the nice thick black outlines??

heres my latest efforts

http://66.70.166.29/promo/antAE.mpg

[bobtronic]

Hi anobrin,

Bhodinut fresnel is the key. Best you look into
Squid's file some replies above.

Like your little anim. Bladerunner, right ? One of
my favorite movies.

Bob

[video567]

is there anyway to apply the toon look to cubes? seems to work mainly on rounded edges. any ideas? i would love to hear them

[bobtronic]

You are right, never tried a cube. I think the problem
is that the fresnel checks the falloff of the faces. And
the falloff of the cube sides has no differences. So
the gradient of the fresnel is stretched over the entire
side of the cube. Maybe beveling the edges would
help.

Hope this helps - have to test for myself

Bob

[LucentDreams]

depends on the look you want, there are two things you can do, A) fillet the cube giving a rounded adge for a highlight to show on, or, lower your phong shading considerably should be able to get that highlight to show up. the shading on a cube tends to be pretty even for this techinique.

[Deestrakt]

very cool bot. nicely detailed as usual, and the pose is great. i like the guns too
this celshading, i definatly have to give it a try. thx for sharing the shaders :)

[Shademaster]

Kick ass wicked work! And thanks so much for that shader, the idea is pretty simple but extremely effective. In combination with 12point0 it looks wicked! Horny cartoon renders here whe come!
:buttrock:

[squidinc]

Horny cartoon renders here whe come!

er... what? you don't mean that surely? I dunno whether cgtalk allows those kinds of images :D :p

[sanfranguy]

In my own experience. I've found that using;

A color.
A highly contrasted SLA-Banji Channel in the Diffuse.
A small amount of Luminance (in the same color)

Changing the Illumination model to Oren Layer.

Provided me with some cool results.

[JoelOtron]

I've never even touched the illumination model settings. I always thought that was only used in conjunction with radiosity. Interesting--I'll have to look over that chapter in the manual...

[JoelOtron]

Page 670...DOOOH!!!!!

Man its amazing how much stuff you think you know...and how little you really do. This is one for Adam's "Lessons learned thread!" RTFM!

[bobtronic]

The Oren Nayar illumination model is great as well
as the Blinn highlighting model we will get in 8.2.

Bob

[JoelOtron]

So the current blinn higlighting model in 8.1 isn'tt very good?

[bobtronic]

Originally posted by JoelD
So the current blinn higlighting model in 8.1 isn'tt very good?

Presently you only have the Blinn illumination model.
If I am right we will get a new option to combine
Oren and Blinn. The cool thing about this is that
Oren and Blinn are perfect companions. Together
they will give you an almost accurate physical
model of lighting.

Bob

[JoelOtron]

Actually 8.1 already has phong, blinn AND oren nayer (I am talking about the illumination settings in the materials).

[bobtronic]

I know Joel. But can you combine them? I think not so.
As I have said I think we will get some new options to
do so. I don't have seen 8.2 so I maybe I am totally
wrong. But from the lighting simulations view illumination
and highlighting are different things. I am not a 3D
programmer so maybe I am also wrong at this point
but I have read some articles about this topic and have
some understanding how all this works. Also I have read
in a Maxon annoucement that we get a better Blinn model.

cheers Bob

[bobtronic]

Thinking about that I am sure we will get these new
options under the specular tab in the material view.
By now you can choose plastic, metal and colored.
With 8.2 we will maybe get Phong, Blinn there because
that would be logical.

Bob

[Roger Eberhart]

Originally posted by bobtronic
Thinking about that I am sure we will get these new
options under the specular tab in the material view.
By now you can choose plastic, metal and colored.
With 8.2 we will maybe get Phong, Blinn there because
that would be logical.

Bob

Nope. Got 8.2 with BP2. Those options are the same.

[anobrin]

This is boudinut Cheen
applied to my earlier animation:D

I think it has promise


http://66.70.166.29/promo/cheen.mpg

[bobtronic]

Originally posted by Roger Eberhart
Nope. Got 8.2 with BP2. Those options are the same.

I checked Maxon's news again and now I think I have
mixed up their annoucement of new light falloff types
and the Blinn model. Here is copy-paste of their
annoucement:

R8.2 New Features

+ Enhanced Navigation View, including support of Middle and Additional mouse buttons
+ New Attribute Manager Navigation Buttons
+ Additional C4D scheme
+ New Quicklight manager
+ New Material Assignment Tab
+ New Light Falloff Types
+ User Defined Menu Sets
+ Enhanced Material Manager (List Mode, Material Groups etc.)
+ Enhanced Color Chooser
+ Enhanced Stop Tag to support Deformers
+ Improved Medium Icons
+ A more powerful SDK than ever before
+ Enhanced ThinkingParticles InteractNode
+ Enhanced Drag & Drop everywhere in the application (Browser, Attribute manager, Quicktabs etc.)

So can you say me what these new falloff types are ?

Bob

[JoelOtron]

I think as per MJVs findings, the inverse cubic falloff setting did not produce an accurate true to life falloff. So I believe Maxon re worked the falloff to accuately match real world light behavior.

[flingster]

wait a minute guys...in illumination you have blinn and oren settings...so when you use banji in luminance what are the effects if you use the banji oren nayer algorithm?

if you also do the trick mentioned with a little falloff multiplied in luminance you get a smooth sutle blend.:shrug:

[flingster]

or of course reversed fresnel:thumbsup:

[mimo8]

I just use lumas for cellshading
it´s kind of funny cause you can "paint" the surface by seting lights or negative lights, but I haven´t tested it with coulours ...

lumas pic (http://www.xdv.org/mmm/download/piclib/portfolio/cg/skullman2.1.jpg)

for squidincs cell-shade-bot
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
hot stuff
Your images allways win so much by your grafik style - simple colour concepts - and - as said - graffiti-like backrounds

how do you get those thick black outlines?
photoshop workarround or inside cinema?

[squidinc]

the thick outer lines are done in photoshop, the stroke option in the layer blending options

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