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Shellfish
11-03-2009, 02:34 AM
What is the differents in Stylize Lighting and Realistic Lighting? Besides the color of the light it still obey the light bounce rule? Does adding a rim light make a artwork a stylized?

mister3d
11-03-2009, 04:51 AM
What is the differents in Stylize Lighting and Realistic Lighting? Besides the color of the light it still obey the light bounce rule? Does adding a rim light make a artwork a stylized?

Definitely yes. Rim lighting was very popular in days of black-and-white movies as a tool of separation. With modern cameras and color films this definitely is less used, mainly because of color separation and better, more subtle exposure films allow. it is still used of course, but it more to a style than to necessity. For example Sin sity uses noir lighting heavily plus comics style. James bond movies also keep this old-fashioned lighting techniques like rim lighting and eyes lighting, when you have a strip of light outlining eyes.
Realistic lighting is pretty obvious term. If you don't see lighters work, then it's realistic, i.e. not attracting attention to itself. The gradation may be quite big: from handhield amateur camera simulation to "just-as-it-is" plain setups, which tend to reinforce the feeling of realism in a scene.
Rim lighting is one tupe of "backlighting", whereas there is a "background lighting". It's also has enourmour impact of a style of lighting. The mire subtle it is, th emore realistic lighting style. And the opposite: if you create a halo light around th character'shead on the backgeound, it will immediately be treated as film noir variation.
Stylised lighting also includes strong colors, cast patterns, also animated. Basically stylised is more to derive into artistic licence tomake the image beautiful even by sacrificing continuity to some extent. Some good examples of stylised lighting are:"sin sity", "running blade", "max payne", "300 spartans", james bond movies. Realistic ones are "transformers", and many others but I can remember the names. Just watch fimls and pay attantion to lighting, and you will clearly see the style.

Shellfish
12-17-2009, 09:22 AM
Is there any blog or sites that talk about film lighting or "Art of Lighting"

mister3d
12-17-2009, 09:44 AM
You'd better look for books.

soulburn3d
12-17-2009, 03:49 PM
Painting With Light is the best book I've ever read on the subject...

http://www.amazon.com/Painting-Light-John-Alton/dp/0520089499/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261064937&sr=8-1

- Neil

Shellfish
12-18-2009, 02:19 AM
Are they more up to date and CG lighting related books.

soulburn3d
12-18-2009, 03:20 PM
Are they more up to date and CG lighting related books.

Could you rephrase this question? I'm not quite getting what you're saying.

- Neil

jfrancis
12-18-2009, 11:34 PM
Is there any blog or sites that talk about film lighting or "Art of Lighting"

Buy or rent from Netflix Visions of Light: the Art of Cinematography
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Visions+of+Light%3A+the+Art+of+Cinematography&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g9g-m1
Visit and read The Strobist blog
http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html

jfrancis
12-18-2009, 11:38 PM
Are they more up to date and CG lighting related books.

Light: Science & Magic is essential reading for CG artists

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Light%3A+Science+and+Magic&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g8

mister3d
12-19-2009, 04:54 AM
Light: Science & Magic is essential reading for CG artists

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Light%3A+Science+and+Magic&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g8

Those are completely different books. "Light: Science & Magic" is a theory based on surface and light properties, whereas "Painting with light" is about lighting sets and people for a movie production.

soulburn3d
12-19-2009, 05:24 PM
Oh I see now, you were asking...

Are "there" more up to date and CG lighting related books"?"

There are a number of cg lighting related books out there, my personal favorite is...

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Lighting-Rendering-Jeremy-Birn/dp/0321316312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261243692&sr=8-1

And it does contain info on setting up good lighting, and tricks that are used in digital films. However, I do really suggest reading Painting With Light, even though it's about pre-digital cinema, it contains a lot of theory that can be applied to cg lighting, and if you ask any Lighting DP at a large animation studio, they'll probably recommend that book as one of the more important books to have read.

- Neil

Brian-Bradley
12-23-2009, 04:30 PM
IMHO - Learning lighting from ONLY CG related sources/point of view, is not a good
way to approach this skill set! Understanding HOW it is done in real world settings
can go a long way towards building a solid understanding of How and When to use
particular techniques or approaches. :)

Regards
Bri

mister3d
12-23-2009, 05:12 PM
IMHO - Learning lighting from ONLY CG related sources/point of view, is not a good
way to approach this skill set! Understanding HOW it is done in real world settings
can go a long way towards building a solid understanding of How and When to use
particular techniques or approaches. :)

Regards
Bri
Right now there's no book which would essentially rethink the traditional lighting for cg, but it's possible to create one. There is a part of traditional lighting, which is useless for cg, but it's not the biggest one. The OP flaw of thinking is very common, me myself thought the same way.

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