Greenham
10-30-2009, 02:32 PM
Hey guys,
I would be interested to know if there is anyone from Perth, Western Australia about?
Greenham.
I would be interested to know if there is anyone from Perth, Western Australia about?
Greenham.
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R10k
10-30-2009, 05:22 PM
Yep, I'm in Perth. There are a few others I've seen around also.
Greenham
10-31-2009, 07:31 AM
Awesome. :)
Would you happen to know whether the other forum members are hobbyist, amateur artists or professional digital artists?
Personally, I'm a student who pursues digital art in my free time as a hobby.
I just want to get an indication of what the digital art "scene" is like in Perth, really.
Would you happen to know whether the other forum members are hobbyist, amateur artists or professional digital artists?
Personally, I'm a student who pursues digital art in my free time as a hobby.
I just want to get an indication of what the digital art "scene" is like in Perth, really.
R10k
10-31-2009, 10:37 AM
Would you happen to know whether the other forum members are hobbyist, amateur artists or professional digital artists?
I think most I've seen have been hobbyists, but it's hard to tell when people lack profiles, or simply aren't interested in telling the world what they do :)
I think most I've seen have been hobbyists, but it's hard to tell when people lack profiles, or simply aren't interested in telling the world what they do :)
PorkpieSamurai
11-01-2009, 12:33 AM
im from Perth. I studied and worked there before moving to Vancouver. I met some cool
people there who have gone on to work at awesome studios like Blur and Animal Logic and im at CIS working in film. Its hard to get established there which is why you need to move to launch your career in my opinion and the education institutions aren't too great either.
people there who have gone on to work at awesome studios like Blur and Animal Logic and im at CIS working in film. Its hard to get established there which is why you need to move to launch your career in my opinion and the education institutions aren't too great either.
HeadSmell
11-01-2009, 08:55 AM
mmm lol i don't really think there's a digital art scene that I've seen
R10k
11-01-2009, 02:36 PM
Its hard to get established there which is why you need to move to launch your career in my opinion and the education institutions aren't too great either.
I guess that depends on what your career is. The best digital education seems to be online these days, so... there are a few reasons why sticking around in Perth isn't a career killer.
mmm lol i don't really think there's a digital art scene that I've seen
I've seen a few Lastpixel guys at the odd Siggraph meeting, talking about what they do... isn't that the scene? :)
I guess that depends on what your career is. The best digital education seems to be online these days, so... there are a few reasons why sticking around in Perth isn't a career killer.
mmm lol i don't really think there's a digital art scene that I've seen
I've seen a few Lastpixel guys at the odd Siggraph meeting, talking about what they do... isn't that the scene? :)
HeadSmell
11-02-2009, 01:49 AM
yea,Greg our old project manager use to organize those a few years ago. I'm originally from California and use to go to the LA max user group meetings, it's a shame there isn't something like that round.
PorkpieSamurai
11-02-2009, 05:15 PM
The best digital education seems to be online these days, so... there are a few reasons why sticking around in Perth isn't a career killer.
I cant vouche for online education but in my opinion the best thing about digital art schools in North America and the U.K is that 1. The lecturers and tutors actualy have a background in what they are teaching 2. The people you go to school with become your networking hookups for jobs after graduation and 3. The crediblity of your schools name will catch the attention of potential employers.
The only good thing I found living in Perth was the intense drive to get out of Perth.
I cant vouche for online education but in my opinion the best thing about digital art schools in North America and the U.K is that 1. The lecturers and tutors actualy have a background in what they are teaching 2. The people you go to school with become your networking hookups for jobs after graduation and 3. The crediblity of your schools name will catch the attention of potential employers.
The only good thing I found living in Perth was the intense drive to get out of Perth.
HeadSmell
11-03-2009, 02:47 AM
The only good thing I found living in Perth was the intense drive to get out of Perth.
true there isn't as much work as in the east coast, but Perth in general is one of the best city's I have ever lived in. Having lived in LA for 25 years I don't want to live any where else
true there isn't as much work as in the east coast, but Perth in general is one of the best city's I have ever lived in. Having lived in LA for 25 years I don't want to live any where else
axiomatic
11-05-2009, 05:38 AM
I'm also from Perth, working as a digital artist.
I've been thinking lots about moving recently and have come to a couple of hesitant conclusions on the matter.
If you want to be in Film as part of a large studio working on vfx shots and that sort of thing then you need to leave here as soon as you've got enough skill/talent to support yourself. US, UK, even Sydney, doesn't matter too much but there simply isn't enough exposure to film workflows here. Even if you do land a job doing 3D on a feature it's not going to help as much as landing the same job for a larger studio ... which means elsewhere.
If, however, you're not into the big-team mentality of feature work then Perth can sustain you for much longer. With training available online and with some good people about you can learn a lot while (and this is most important) being involved at a creative level. In this way you can eventually earn a living here doing commercial work in many fields of digital art, or you can move on to other places with more reliability.
I'd like there to be more vfx orientated stuff happening in Perth. I'm lucky that I work with people everyday who understand the craft but it's rather depressing that so many other people in the industries that co-exist with post/vfx just don't understand it at all and seem to think that if you need something big you go over east.
It's changing ... but i wish it would hurry up.
I've been thinking lots about moving recently and have come to a couple of hesitant conclusions on the matter.
If you want to be in Film as part of a large studio working on vfx shots and that sort of thing then you need to leave here as soon as you've got enough skill/talent to support yourself. US, UK, even Sydney, doesn't matter too much but there simply isn't enough exposure to film workflows here. Even if you do land a job doing 3D on a feature it's not going to help as much as landing the same job for a larger studio ... which means elsewhere.
If, however, you're not into the big-team mentality of feature work then Perth can sustain you for much longer. With training available online and with some good people about you can learn a lot while (and this is most important) being involved at a creative level. In this way you can eventually earn a living here doing commercial work in many fields of digital art, or you can move on to other places with more reliability.
I'd like there to be more vfx orientated stuff happening in Perth. I'm lucky that I work with people everyday who understand the craft but it's rather depressing that so many other people in the industries that co-exist with post/vfx just don't understand it at all and seem to think that if you need something big you go over east.
It's changing ... but i wish it would hurry up.
axiomatic
11-05-2009, 05:42 AM
p.s.
Maybe some of us should get together and work on a CG challenge ... next one starts in December :)
Maybe some of us should get together and work on a CG challenge ... next one starts in December :)
HeadSmell
11-05-2009, 09:49 AM
Maybe some of us should get together and work on a CG challenge ... next one starts in December
I might be interested but i can get pretty crunched for time if a deadlline pops up. maybe about 10-15 hours in the month i can spare some up.
I might be interested but i can get pretty crunched for time if a deadlline pops up. maybe about 10-15 hours in the month i can spare some up.
Shibalba
11-05-2009, 06:08 PM
Hey guys, im from perth myself, know a few other 3D artists but not many. Personally im still very very new to the actual industry, finished my course early this year, and just wrapped up my first freelance contract the other day thru a company in mandurrah. From what I understand, the scene in WA is extremely small, especially in the entertainment side of things. It seems theres a lot of work in Architrectural Visualisation, Mining Simulations etc etc, and a few small studios for advertising, but when it comes to games, feature films etc, its almost non-existant, and imo, this is not going to change very soon. Ubisoft was wanting to open a studio in perth, and as they do in all country's/states they open a studio in, they requested a 2m$ loan from the government, supplied proof/records showing that they always pay it back within or before a 2 year period, but typically the WA government thought it was too risky and rejected the offer, so all perths talent in terms of the gaming side of things, is still being sent interstate and overseas.
I really feel, that in order for perth to get some decent studios, we need to attract attention to the state. Need to prove that there is enough local talent, and also enthusiasm for the entertainment side of the 3D industry, that big name studios realize it is another area of Australia and the World they can expand to and gain resources from. I rekon the idea of entering the next CG challenge is a great opportunity to do just that, and I would be extremely keen to get involved if you guys want to organise something. Could even take it a step further and do something completely independent of this site, like a short film etc. I really feel though that unless the 3D artists in perth attract the attention of big studios, theyre just going to keep going over east.
I really feel, that in order for perth to get some decent studios, we need to attract attention to the state. Need to prove that there is enough local talent, and also enthusiasm for the entertainment side of the 3D industry, that big name studios realize it is another area of Australia and the World they can expand to and gain resources from. I rekon the idea of entering the next CG challenge is a great opportunity to do just that, and I would be extremely keen to get involved if you guys want to organise something. Could even take it a step further and do something completely independent of this site, like a short film etc. I really feel though that unless the 3D artists in perth attract the attention of big studios, theyre just going to keep going over east.
HeadSmell
11-06-2009, 02:10 AM
I say we should start off with a HD animated matte painting with a small camera movement. with some explosions or fx shots in it
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 02:30 AM
Thatd be fun to work on I rekon, you thinking for the next challenge or just an independent type thing?
axiomatic
11-06-2009, 03:42 AM
Mmmm, perhaps we should get together over a beer and discuss something. Would be good to work out what people would like to achieve and what skills are available etc. :)
PorkpieSamurai
11-06-2009, 04:44 AM
I really feel, that in order for perth to get some decent studios, we need to attract attention to the state.
Believe me this has been tried before and I really think this is only going to happen if a big studio like Animal Logic or an international studio powerhouse ( Dneg, MPC, Digital Domain) opens up a branch on the west coast because of tax incentives or something. Most isolated city with a very tiny talent pool doesn't immediately command attention.
Like your idea of banding together to work on a project, they are really fun and you can get a lot out of them. My only advice to you is to maybe focus on creating a shot rather than a whole short film. Its way more likely to get done and you can still really hone your skills and develop as an artist without committing to a long term project.
Believe me this has been tried before and I really think this is only going to happen if a big studio like Animal Logic or an international studio powerhouse ( Dneg, MPC, Digital Domain) opens up a branch on the west coast because of tax incentives or something. Most isolated city with a very tiny talent pool doesn't immediately command attention.
Like your idea of banding together to work on a project, they are really fun and you can get a lot out of them. My only advice to you is to maybe focus on creating a shot rather than a whole short film. Its way more likely to get done and you can still really hone your skills and develop as an artist without committing to a long term project.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 05:00 AM
Yeh that is a very good point, really wish one of the studios could open up a branch here, so frustrating that ubisoft actually attempted it but got shot down by the state government, so typical of WA. Cheers for the advice, you bring up a good point regarding taking on projects that will feasibly get completed, especially when people are putting in the hours outside of work. Im personally planning to relocate as soon as I land something over east or overseas, glad to see that you and a few others have achieved that. How did you go about it? Did you relocate and then find work, or get offered a contract or what? Any advice on relocating/getting work overseas?
PorkpieSamurai
11-06-2009, 05:26 AM
How did you go about it? Did you relocate and then find work, or get offered a contract or what? Any advice on relocating/getting work overseas?
It took a while. I worked on a short film with some other perth peeps then decided I wanted to move to Vancouver so I moved home to Bunbury with my folks for a year and did nothing but work on my demo reel and learning a lot in the process. I got some great online mentors who i would show work to back and forth and finaly i moved with my buddy over to Van and started looking for work. It was really hard though. I hadn't graduated from a kick ass school like VFS nor was my reel too great and I didn't know anyone in town. I hit the networking events and met some people and got work after about 5 months of looking. Its been progressively getting better over the last 2 years and Im getting to the point where Its not so hard to line up work after each contract. Bottom line is to keep networking keep creating work and getting it out there and prepare for a bumpy ride.
It took a while. I worked on a short film with some other perth peeps then decided I wanted to move to Vancouver so I moved home to Bunbury with my folks for a year and did nothing but work on my demo reel and learning a lot in the process. I got some great online mentors who i would show work to back and forth and finaly i moved with my buddy over to Van and started looking for work. It was really hard though. I hadn't graduated from a kick ass school like VFS nor was my reel too great and I didn't know anyone in town. I hit the networking events and met some people and got work after about 5 months of looking. Its been progressively getting better over the last 2 years and Im getting to the point where Its not so hard to line up work after each contract. Bottom line is to keep networking keep creating work and getting it out there and prepare for a bumpy ride.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 05:44 AM
Awesome, thats really encouraging to hear. Im ina similar situation, movedd back home with folks a few months back and busy getting my reel together, getting a small short film done with a mate and also in an indie game dev group thats wrapping up a small indie game. Just trying to get involved in as much as possible. How did you go about relocating to vancouver? I havent got any serious qualifications like BA's etc so Id assume the best I could get is temporary work visas, or is it different in Canada? Ive heard that relocating is a nightmare unless you have some decent qualifications under your belt.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 05:53 AM
Mmmm, perhaps we should get together over a beer and discuss something. Would be good to work out what people would like to achieve and what skills are available etc. :)
Good Idea, lets get the ball rolling I rekon...
Good Idea, lets get the ball rolling I rekon...
PorkpieSamurai
11-06-2009, 05:54 AM
yeah that was one thing I had in my favor. I was born here so it was just a matter of getting a Canadian passport and a Social Insurance Number and I was set. Cant give you much advice on immigration though I have friends of working visas which seemed easy to get and my other buddy is going through the hell of permanent residency.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 06:02 AM
Lucky bastard, lol. I will have to have a look into it, i know there are sponsorship things where If a company is willing to sponsor you over, after 2 years of working for them you can get permanent residency, and a further 2 years later your citizinship, but thats for australia not sure about UK, Canada, US etc etc. Definitely a bumpy road ahead, but itl be well worth it.
PorkpieSamurai
11-06-2009, 06:06 AM
Yeah really want to emphasize to not get a ticket till your pretty sure you can score a job with your skill set. At least in Vancouver its overflowing with fresh artists looking for their lucky break.
HeadSmell
11-06-2009, 06:10 AM
http://www.dznd.net/Webpics/PerthNuked.jpg
Let's blow this sht up :)
Let's blow this sht up :)
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 06:15 AM
Yeah really want to emphasize to not get a ticket till your pretty sure you can score a job with your skill set. At least in Vancouver its overflowing with fresh artists looking for their lucky break.
Def would not take that kind of risk, yeh I have heard the market is extremely saturated in Vancouver, VFS prly plays a big part in that.
hahaha HeadSmell, nice one. Nice work you make that I assume??
Def would not take that kind of risk, yeh I have heard the market is extremely saturated in Vancouver, VFS prly plays a big part in that.
hahaha HeadSmell, nice one. Nice work you make that I assume??
R10k
11-06-2009, 06:18 AM
...and also in an indie game dev group thats wrapping up a small indie game.
Online, or with guys in Perth?
Online, or with guys in Perth?
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 06:23 AM
Online, or with guys in Perth?
Group of guys here in perth, surprisingly.
Group of guys here in perth, surprisingly.
R10k
11-06-2009, 06:31 AM
Are you on the Pigmi (http://www.pigmi.org/page/home) list?
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 06:32 AM
Are you on the Pigmi (http://www.pigmi.org/page/home) list?
List?? I know the head of the project, Jon Hayward, is involved with them and the IGDA perth chapter. You into the indie game dev scene I take it??
List?? I know the head of the project, Jon Hayward, is involved with them and the IGDA perth chapter. You into the indie game dev scene I take it??
R10k
11-06-2009, 06:37 AM
I am, yep :) I take it you're working with Jon on the project for IGF?
EDIT: Funny actually, I've very likely met you before at an event.
EDIT: Funny actually, I've very likely met you before at an event.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 06:39 AM
I am, yep :) I take it you're working with Jon on the project for IGF?
EDIT: Funny actually, I've very likely met you before at an event.
Yeh thats classic, small world ay, possibly have but ive only been to a few of them, still new to the scene. Unfortunately we missed deadline, but were going to have it ready for the iparty end of year meetup thing.
EDIT: Funny actually, I've very likely met you before at an event.
Yeh thats classic, small world ay, possibly have but ive only been to a few of them, still new to the scene. Unfortunately we missed deadline, but were going to have it ready for the iparty end of year meetup thing.
R10k
11-06-2009, 06:51 AM
Cool, I'll try and make it to have a look :) Watch for the tall thin guy!
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 07:05 AM
Cool, I'll try and make it to have a look :) Watch for the tall thin guy!
hahaha, will do, il pm you closer to the time and see if your gna make it down!
hahaha, will do, il pm you closer to the time and see if your gna make it down!
Kravit
11-06-2009, 07:41 AM
I moved to Brisbane from Perth to work since Perth has well under developed CGI industry. GET THE F---CKK OUT !! hahaha
HeadSmell
11-06-2009, 08:06 AM
i'd be down to catch up for a beer and see if anyone is interested in some light 3d projects
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 04:28 PM
I moved to Brisbane from Perth to work since Perth has well under developed CGI industry. GET THE F---CKK OUT !! hahaha
HAHAHAHA, thats my plan, just getting my reel together over here before I bail.
HAHAHAHA, thats my plan, just getting my reel together over here before I bail.
Shibalba
11-06-2009, 04:29 PM
i'd be down to catch up for a beer and see if anyone is interested in some light 3d projects
Wiked, sounds good to me, il drop you a pm with some contact details and we can get the ball rolling.
Wiked, sounds good to me, il drop you a pm with some contact details and we can get the ball rolling.
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