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T4D
08-12-2003, 12:27 AM
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Final Animation is Here 4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)





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cool it's on again :beer:
odd subject but should make some interesting art
post a storyboard pic tonight thinking about it as i work today

- Carni tries to impress onlookers with a "talent" but it goes horribly wrong



is mine scenario and off we all go:applause:http://www.malefic.nl/~t4d/clown_story.jpg

Fasty
08-12-2003, 01:39 AM
Best of luck, T4D!

T4D
08-12-2003, 04:39 PM
need sleep ....... zzzzz
done this after work
http://www.malefic.nl/~t4d/clown_001x.jpg

MrSolo
08-12-2003, 05:35 PM
Hi T4D,

nice start:thumbsup:

Good luck!!!!

Kricket
08-13-2003, 09:13 AM
Model's looking good! :thumbsup:

Fasty
08-14-2003, 05:37 AM
Woah you did that one night after work?? My hat goes off to you, looking great!

T4D
08-14-2003, 01:38 PM
http://www.malefic.nl/~t4d/clown_002x.jpg
update
rig done
http://www.malefic.nl/~t4d/clown_002rig.jpg
working on test animation now:)

Fasty
08-14-2003, 03:27 PM
You could easily enter the modelling challenge with that, it looks fantastic! :eek: Can't wait to see it move!

westmeadow
08-14-2003, 08:19 PM
hey, nice modeling T4D. Really puts mine (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81917) too shame (shameless plug of my thread, sorry). Any advance on the storyline? Keep up the good work!!

Assie

grury
08-15-2003, 12:00 AM
OOOOHHHH!:eek:
Thats just amusing, the clothing fits him perfectly as well, the only thing that seems a bit odd are the shoes, maybe something a bit more clowny would suit him better...just a thought.
What soft you using to animate?

T4D
08-15-2003, 01:47 AM
Lightwave ALL THE WAY !!!!
shoes will be improved with everything else as i go.
always fine turning in LW :buttrock:

Story
Clown fights spotlight to stay on him.. ;)

still working on weight maps for armpit thing
and face morphs.
should posting a test animation in the next few days :wip:

http://www.malefic.nl/~t4d/clown_003x.jpg

Milho
08-15-2003, 10:55 AM
Two words: AWE-SOME !

The lighting improved its look a lot. Apears to be almost photorealistic at first glance.

The idea with the spotlight is great as well! I'm looking forward for this one :)

baby
08-15-2003, 01:18 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

kevinfrompng
08-18-2003, 07:40 AM
very nice looking!

If I may make a suggestion, though, wouldn't it be more like a carnival to have the spotlight coming down on him from the ceiling?


Kevin

T4D
08-23-2003, 06:07 AM
download 3 meg Qtime (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/clowntest_015.mov)

haven't updated been alittle busy, But here's saturdays morning's effort should have more but the end of the weekend :wip:

T4D
08-23-2003, 04:10 PM
4.6 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

OK pretty much worked out the 20 seconds,
need to refined and rework alot more :wip:

T4D
08-23-2003, 05:03 PM
doing the still Challenge as well, so model may change as the month goes by:)

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83650

Fasty
08-24-2003, 02:27 AM
Downloaded your first animation and it looks great! Can you make a smaller version of the second one so us 56kers can download it faster? :beer:

T4D
08-24-2003, 06:11 AM
4.6 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

OK mostly done, most of is linear keys at the moment
still need to animate fingers and give him more weight and life
love some idea and tips on this :thumbsup:


sorry fasty i'm on 56k too and any smaller will really make it look bad :)

grury
08-24-2003, 10:28 AM
Hey T, very good job u've done there, love it, apart from playing with the curves i think u pretty much there, there was a couple o comments.. 1st when he falls down his feet keep moving/sliding as he's flat on the floor..2nd perhaps u should give a bit more of an antecipation when is grabbing the spot lite with his stick, he should put more effort to pull the lite towards him.

on another note.. i like the black and white scratched look, but i thought the colourful character was a much stronger image..

well done

T4D
08-25-2003, 03:10 AM
Thanks Gru:thumbsup:

i see the same things nice to hear it from someone else
i will post a color version soon, at the moment i'm editing the model and will post another version in a day or 2 :)

Milho
08-25-2003, 11:51 AM
Heya, the anmation is funny. Though there are still some issues which make it look odd.
First of all, like Gru said, the falling looks strange. It is very slow and the character moves alot while falling.

Overall the feet do not "walk". They slide on the surface.

Anticipation: Also when he's sliding from left to right, he looks very stiff.

Check the curves. The motion looks very blocky.

I would suggest you go through the animation in good old pose to pose manner. Only draw the importent poses first and add more and more inbetweens later on. Check Keith Langos tutorial it's brilliant.

Hope it helps a bit. Keep it up :wavey:

T4D
08-26-2003, 10:46 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

i've tidy up all the motion & didn't kill the colour this time:)
pretty complete but still afew " little " motion issues
i'll clean up in the next month untill the comp ends
any more comments welcome:beer:

Thanks Milho & Gru for the comments all very helpful stuff :thumbsup:

Milho
08-26-2003, 12:42 PM
Looking better...still some issues but I like it much better than the previous one. Can't wait to see your updates next month.

The color looks better as well. Much more lively.

Nice work. Keep it up :thumbsup:

T4D
08-29-2003, 04:00 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

another update i think it looks better, :thumbsup:

thinking need to take one of the swings out to give more time to everything and slow thinks down abit :hmm:
tells us what you think :wip:

Milho
08-29-2003, 04:38 AM
Heya T4!

Great improvement in motion!
First of all I like the color. But IMO the shading is pretty dark almost black! Although you might want to simulate one light source consider the plane behind the clown. It will reflect the light on the clown so an additional backlight would work better probably. But these isn't most important in animation challenge anyhow ;)

So now to the motion:
I watched the first fall over and over again and tried to imagine how to improve it. I know you added a little bouncing of the torso / head but what about the legs? I mean it's a clown after all so I would expect his legs to raise to the air when he reached the ground. This would probably also help to make it look more like a falling than a sliding to the ground. Don't be afraid to experiment with extremes. He can even slip of so he is in the air completely and not only sliding. Hope you can imagine what I think of.

Now the standing up: Look at it frame by frame. Though it looks as if he was pushing his body away form the ground it looks unnatural beacuse there is not enough force behind the push. Normally we try set our center of mass to the front while standing up. Try it. Sit on the ground and try to stand up using one hand. You will notice that you raise the other hand to the front and try to get the torso as far as possible to the front. This would also prevent the "sliding up".

I like the pull of the spotlight pretty much.

Next thing that i noticed is the stick bouning on his head. Looks kind of strange, check the curves and consider some good old bouncing ball tutorials to get it more realistic. I think the main problem is that it stay too long in the high position where it rotates. Try to get the rotation earlier. Maybe it falls down to his hand too slow, play around with it.

When hangin' on the spotlight and flying through the air try to losen his body, maybe a little "secondary motion" on the legs/arms help. He looks pretty stiff.

Only thing I really dislike in the animation is the sliding from the air to the right of the screen on the ground. It is mainly because the speed is pretty linear and should slow out more and beacuse again the body is stiff and tehre is no secondary motion going on the body parts. You wouldn't stop that hard, your legs and head would follow the direction of speed more until the whole body stops. Also try to underline the weighting in the opposite direction (left), eg on the hips.

And last but not least: The run of the clown is very blocky and rough.


Ok sorry for dumping you. I only tried to write down all things I noticed and give a try to solve the problem with the help of the priciples of animation. Of course not every detail I mentioned must be changed but this may be usefull as a guide to find some "bugs". We all know how frustrating it can become to look at one piece over and over again. You easily miss some points.

Hope this helps you :thumbsup:

Milho
08-29-2003, 04:43 AM
Follow through is the term is was looking for instead of secondary motion. Please excuse me :blush:

T4D
08-29-2003, 05:51 AM
Big Thanks Milho :thumbsup:

i see all your points and I'll keep working on it :)

the comp's deadline is still a months away so got heaps of time:wip: only working on it at night should have another version in afew days :)

renderwoman
08-29-2003, 09:59 AM
hey ,nice animation:D

T4D
08-30-2003, 12:23 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

another update:beer:
forgot to turn the sas hair back on :hmm:
but the motion is another level up:)

T4D
09-01-2003, 12:01 PM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

another update:beer:

abit more time in there, ,,,,,,,,,,,, flow betters
:)

Fasty
09-01-2003, 02:04 PM
Hahahaha I love it so much! I was laughing out loud by the end... classic! My main crit is at about the 7.5 second mark where I guess he is stepping over the spotlight? It's a bit unclear as to what he's doing exactly, and looks a bit odd. Otherwise it's looking great! :thumbsup:

T4D
09-02-2003, 10:34 AM
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d.jpg

4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

redone a simple body with a toon face just bit of fun will be redoing the proper clown later

the motion is nearly there very close love some feed back
:thumbsup:

T4D
09-05-2003, 02:04 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

the real clown is there again ;)

95% complete
afew alittle motion issues hope to get back to it before the deadline:beer:

grury
09-05-2003, 03:07 AM
Well done T, u getting there alright.
there are a few things that need a bit of work tho..
-the way he gets up, is very weird, theres no weight at all on the action, it seems that he sort o floats and all of the suden is standing up.
-the hat (and stick) seem to get lost in outer space far too long, I counted sum 55 frames for the hat alone and then it comes down like theres a feather like thing.
-and my final point... a bit more animation on the hands/fingers would bring him alive a bit more, he feels too rigid all the time, even tho he keeps moving around, now that the over all animation is pretty much there, try sum overlaping, follow trough and sec. motion, too help break all that stiffness.

Dude most of the hard work has been done, now u just have to polish those corners and make it into a great animation short..

all the best

Kricket
09-05-2003, 02:06 PM
It's looking really good T4D!

Its been mentioned before, but when the clown stomps on the light to widen it it needs a bit more Oomph, some resistance and weight to make it look like his foot is pushing that light open.

Looking forward to more updates.

T4D
09-10-2003, 05:14 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

another update finger issues fixed motion tidy up & abit more 99.5% complete :D

grury
09-10-2003, 11:46 AM
hummm! still dont like the way that the hat and stick come down, far too slow, they seem weightless, coming down almost floating.
come on T, take it into the 99.75% complete...

cheers

T4D
09-10-2003, 01:32 PM
LOL yes Gru ;)

i posted the animation to my local lighwave Oz group
and got a whole new level of comment
so let's bring that last post back to 96% and i'll post the 99% one in the morning maybe afternoon once i fix the the hat and cane falling :beer:

T4D
09-11-2003, 01:34 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

added more wieght to him and Now it's 99.75% complete:applause:

speveo
09-11-2003, 04:16 PM
Thats actually pretty damn cool. I really like how you made the spotlight a secondary character. The motion is generally pretty good.

Keep it up.

Speve-O

gmask
09-13-2003, 02:31 AM
I literally laughed out loud.. I think we have a winner ;-)

T4D
09-18-2003, 12:38 AM
THanks Speve-O & gmask

got some time today to do alittle more work on it, post link later

gmask
I think we have a winner ;-)

Thanks But I don't think so,... Baby toon character really looks great !!:thumbsup: nice to see what he edits it to. to fit in the 20 seconds

once the comp is finished i will be expanding it out to maybe 30 or 40 seconds, need more time to for intro & really show his emotions duing the animation.

anyways another update is coming :thumbsup:

T4D
09-18-2003, 08:38 AM
4.5 meg Qtime download (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~t4d/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

small update tried to give more facial expression but he's just got a human head!! Toons are so much better to animate :rolleyes:

also played with some motion issues hope it's better :shrug:

this is the final, i just can't look at it any more :beer:

comanche
01-01-2004, 11:42 AM
Hi Thomas,

the dl link seems to be broken ...

Cheers,
Andreas

T4D
01-01-2004, 01:03 PM
thanks for that :thumbsup:
fixed it all up for you
t4d_clown_talentless.mov (http://www.thomas4d.com/t4d_clown_talentless.mov)

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