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lildragon
08-11-2003, 12:12 PM
Go for it

Clanger
08-11-2003, 12:23 PM
Ah, just ask a question in my own thread and this thread pops up just as I hit the send!!!

So question again in the right place.
I'd like to model and texture a Man with Lizard skin, is that OK or will he need something more wrong with him than just his skin?
Basically, is this freaky enough?

ostov
08-11-2003, 12:36 PM
Does the model has to be some real person? Like in a old photo or can I just scath away?

Cyborgguineapig
08-11-2003, 01:36 PM
It can't be a cartoony looking character? It has to be super realistic? Sounds to narrow...

ninjacore
08-11-2003, 01:54 PM
can i just model myself?

lildragon
08-11-2003, 02:24 PM
Style has no boundaries, you can go cartoony if you wish. Also not just skin as you can basically cop out with just a texture map, you have to think a little deeper than that.

-lild

Lukashi
08-11-2003, 02:40 PM
No dancing monkeys?? :( lol

Apt Pupil
08-11-2003, 02:46 PM
I can't find in the rules if we are allowed to color our creations? When you say "going back to the old school ways," do you mean models only and NO color?

Clanger
08-11-2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by lildragon
Style has no boundaries, you can go cartoony if you wish. Also no skin can just be a texture map, you have to think a little deeper than that.

-lild

Ok, no texture map only deformity so I'll think of some way to give him a slight lizard look in the mesh as well.

skello
08-11-2003, 03:27 PM
I don't know where to ask this but.... isn't there supposed to be a thread for the ARCHITECTURAL CHALLENGE on this forum?

OZ
08-11-2003, 03:47 PM
ARE TEAMWORKS ALLOWED??:rolleyes:

lildragon
08-11-2003, 04:11 PM
Skello no, follow the link on the challenge site where the rules are.

Oz Yes

-lild

skello
08-11-2003, 04:21 PM
Lildragon .. How are we supposed to get feedback on WIP's then?

Neox
08-11-2003, 04:22 PM
i was wondering what hapened to the last challenge, no winners, no jury, no nothing? :shrug:

btw i wish i could join this challenge, but i have no time :hmm:

lildragon
08-11-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by skello
Lildragon .. How are we supposed to get feedback on WIP's then?

CGArchitect has a forum dedicated for the Arch Viz challenges, we didn't want to take that away from Jeff as he's one of our partners, you setup the same way over there as you would here.

Neox: A bit more patience, I've been extremely busy as of late if you hadn't read already ;) http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=760490#post760490

-lild

Cyberdigitus
08-11-2003, 06:35 PM
cool ... freaks ahead ! this will be a tough Challenge, but i might try to take it up, i just wanted to do som character modeling for practise... Let's see if time and dedication permits it...

ndat
08-11-2003, 06:47 PM
ouch teamwork is allowed? then does that mean that teamwork can win the challenge? because that would give a very clear advantage to a team.

Also would fur be ok?

And would mixing a human with another animal be ok if the human is for the most part human?

lildragon
08-11-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by ndat
because that would give a very clear advantage to a team.


How do you figure?

-lild

ndat
08-11-2003, 07:31 PM
whoops sorry lol dont mean to cause problems, but I sometimes can lol.

Well Ive never worked with a team so I couldnt be sure, but it looks to me that with more man power you have more expertise and could potentially crank out more, better quality work faster than a single person could. Givin you would have to have a pretty good team. Again I dont want to start an arguement, the challenge is fine the way it is, that was just me ranting ;).

lildragon
08-11-2003, 07:36 PM
No prob, you didn't know, but we had team challenges since the 2nd ever challenge, over a year and a half ago.

enjoy

-lild

KolbyJukes
08-11-2003, 08:03 PM
I know you're not intending to offend with this topic, but i for one find it quite inappropriate.

challengers are quite possible going to be modelling people with real world diseases and problems. To which others will respond with the obligitory "Oh that's so sick! COOL!" or "man! what a freaky looking monster! That's nasty!:thumbsup:" How would you feel if you were one of these people born with birth defects or other diseases, reading these threads.

Am I the only one who finds this inapporpriate and somewhat insensitive?

Not trying to rain on your parade here, I just find the topic choice ... odd.

and I won't be competing, to some degree because of the topic, mostly due to lack of time.

-Kol.

Berserker
08-11-2003, 08:19 PM
I agree, its somewhat inappropriate, but as a modeler I can't help but imagine what "cool monsters" I could make. So of course I'm going to enter the challenge :D

basse
08-11-2003, 08:31 PM
sorry, I couldn't find the rules page from cgchallenge.com, so how it is with the texturing? just colors, or.. ?

.b

lildragon
08-11-2003, 08:38 PM
THe rules link is in white http://www.cgchallenge.com/challenge_view.php?challenge_id=40 it's also in the plug that on cgtalk frontpage as well as cgnetworks.com link and on the top as a sticky in every challenge.

-lild

lildragon
08-11-2003, 08:41 PM
KWAK you never seen a sideshow? Freakshow? I don't think they have a problem with their abnormalities, Freakshows have been around for over the better part of a century.

http://www.coneyislandusa.com/sideshow.shtml

http://www.coneyislandusa.com/fhof.bradshaw.shtml

-lild

Neox
08-11-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by lildragon
Neox: A bit more patience, I've been extremely busy as of late if you hadn't read already ;) http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=760490#post760490

-lild

oki thank you :)

Lukashi
08-11-2003, 09:34 PM
Why assymetrical?

KolbyJukes
08-11-2003, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by lildragon
KWAK you never seen a sideshow? Freakshow? I don't think they have a problem with their abnormalities, Freakshows have been around for over the better part of a century.

http://www.coneyislandusa.com/sideshow.shtml

http://www.coneyislandusa.com/fhof.bradshaw.shtml

-lild

No Lild,

I have never been to a sideshow, nor a freakshow. I'm not worried about the feelings of those persons who exploit their deformaties for personal gain. I'm worried about some young kid with a birth defect coming across the site and finding all these insensitive remarks about these diseases. I don't think this is in good taste. I realize these shows have been around for a very long time, I don't think this justifies using it as a topic. To me it's the same thing as saying, let's model people with inoperable tumours in their brain, or victims of radiation poisioning, how about some belemics?

-Kol.

mattregnier
08-11-2003, 10:28 PM
KWAK-

Were you one of the people that objected to the twin towers in the spiderman movie, did you also think lord of the rings should've changed the two towers title, even though it's based on a 40 yr old book, or how about the superman comic book showcasing the twin towers cover that was yoinked? The point is, there are always people that have issues with things, you can't please all the people all the time, so I suggest you take this challenge the way it was intended, and not try tieing in all this disabled bashing ideals that you think it has. If you don't research/think you're no better than those people who yell about things they have no idea about...

I'm worried about some young kid with a birth defect coming across the site and finding all these insensitive remarks about these diseases.

If you are in the challenge area of cgtalk you already have read/know about the challenge. The likelihood of someone from outside the community just happening to browse through and become repulsed/disgusted if nil if noneexistent...so just tip back an ol' coca cola and relax...

eirenicon
08-11-2003, 10:47 PM
I don't think the Challenge is making fun or belittling people with birth defects. For one thing, it's based around what actually happened and is happening. Should we avoid depictions of war, just because it's a horrible thing? I've seen a lot of tanks and warriors and the like in past Challenges, and heard no complaints.

It's ok to be sensitive, but there's a point where you stop being sensitive and start over-reacting.

Vizjerei
08-11-2003, 10:52 PM
Thinking to make a Afrian woman with many gold ring on her long long neck and with a big plate in her mouth... will it count?

Apt Pupil
08-11-2003, 10:55 PM
Lildragon --> Wierd, you still haven't answered the question about the color issue from either basse or I.

There have been contests in the past where we were not allowed to color or texture our creations, is this one of them?? If yes, you might want to mention that this is a modeling contest only on the rules page.

Otherwise, good luck with your busy schedule, I'd hate to be you right now:p:p

Max4ever
08-11-2003, 11:00 PM
Adam Sandler had some interesting ideas in a SNL show:
-the crazy guy under the desk
-the guy with a newspaper face
for a low budget movie that's some interesting ideas.:rolleyes:
Now to be serious: very good challenge. But I want an environment challenge! I'm not a character modeler damn it... :p

Johnlittle
08-11-2003, 11:01 PM
I think without doubt textures should be allowed.Of course an option,but if one feels the need to do them they should be in. It would be a shasme not to have this option,soooo much would be lost without it. Plus this gives many a great learning experience and even veterans more practice.Please leave textures in as at least an option.Thanks.:cool: :beer:

Johnlittle
08-11-2003, 11:05 PM
By the way; can we also create an environment and vehichle as an added option,time allowing of course to go along with the character.Thanks.:beer:

leigh
08-12-2003, 12:52 AM
Textures are always allowed people :)

Vizjerei - no, that doesn't count. They have to be natural abnormalities or deformities, not manmade ones (which that custom would definitely fall under) ;)

KWAK - I am sorry that you find this challenge in bad taste, it is not meant to be offensive. As someone already mentioned, this is a salute to the Sideshow era (the era even being part of the rules), and therefore has nothing to do with radiation poisoning or anything.
I personally have been to a freakshow before, and the people who took part seemed more than comfortable. The reason this makes a good challenge is because it is a way that we can get people to model really interesting characters (well, we hope so anyway).

pigwater
08-12-2003, 02:54 AM
Leigh .. i gotta agree with your point and find nothin objectional about this ... art is sometimes very ugly

these so called freaks found a home and family with each other...sure others mocked, pitied ,stared and called em names ... but just like all of us coming here beacause we find comfort with others the same as us, while others call us geeks or nerds

personally i like the fact you guys put somethin out there that is touchy .... whatever

I STARTED THIS TO ASK .. why asymmetrical ?... does it have to ??

Peter Reynolds
08-12-2003, 02:55 AM
I know what you mean KWAK.

The timing of this one is bad for me because just a few days ago I met an 8 year old kid with defects who has never walked a day in his life. He isn't expected to live beyond 30 and will never walk. I couldn't even begin to imagine what its live to never be able to experience a run, walk or jump. The kids life is already so tough, just the thought of even 1 person ridiculing him or making him an object of spectacle doesn't make me feel so good.

I can see why this challenge is a challenge. So hopefully such concerns will prove unfounded.

Vizjerei
08-12-2003, 04:17 AM
oh... but I thought they only ask for "anatomical deformity"... :shrug:

Vizjerei - no, that doesn't count. They have to be natural abnormalities or deformities, not manmade ones (which that custom would definitely fall under)

eirenicon
08-12-2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by pigwater
I STARTED THIS TO ASK .. why asymmetrical ?... does it have to ??

Symmetry is unnatural, and even though we're modeling "unnatural" people, assymetry is also realistic. Not a problem, though; just model half of your character, flip it, weld, and modify half of it until it looks less of a clone.

pigwater
08-12-2003, 04:37 AM
hey timothyD ... yah, that i understand , but the way they worded it it sounds like they want the deformation on one side only or a drastic difference between the sides ...just tryin to get a concise explanation:)

Witchy
08-12-2003, 06:09 AM
'People in freakshows are comfortable with their deformities'.

Have you actually thought that the people in these shows had no choice but to be in them or starve? Are you aware of what happened to people in institutions in Victorian England with these sort of disabilities? Are you aware of provision for the poor and disabled in this period?

People who had genuine defects (a lot of freakshow acts were 'staged') were sold into it or mutilated to place them in the act in the first place. There are a number of notable medical works from the nineteenth century on 'freaks' and they all contain evidence of compulsion, from the people themselves and their 'owners'.

Far from being happy with their deformity people wanted nothing more than to change it. There is evidence for that in manuscripts and interviews from the period which I assume you have read.

As for historical freaks having no impact today, in modern day India and other parts of the third world children are physically mutilated to make them better beggars. This involves amputation, blinding, crushing limbs, binding etc. You ask if we have been to a freakshow, have you been on the consulting staff at a clinic in the third world for children mutilated by their own families and sold to operators using them for money? I have. And frankly the idea of you asking people to model that sort of thing is in remarkably bad taste when you consider all the myriad possibilities you could have thought of. I thought this was a website run by innovative creative talented people with imagination and it's 'freaks' or monsters as the only choices?

Art is meant to be challenging and I have little truck with censorship and oppression. But art is also meant to be creative and challenging.

The problem here lies with people making birth defects and disability a joke for other people to ogle and laugh at. Freakshows that display people who are disabled or deformed as 'freaks' for those of us who are not disabled to laugh and mock are underming the right of disabled people to be seen to be as equal as they rightly are.

For every one person you can find in one of those shows content to be there there will be 10 who would give anything to be you - the one making the competition and staring at them pleased with yourself that they are happy to be freaks. In this challenge people will model disability and people will say 'hey cool man love that hump and that withered arm'. So much for the 'challenge' of art. Read a few of the concepts posted where deformed people have been physically and mentally abused and forced into freakshows and peoples response is 'ooh ewww cool'. Deep and challenging it isn't. Your defence of this topid was that people in shows were happy with their deformities. Doesn't look like modellers see it your way.

To the no doubt freedom loving individuals who will reply to this and say 'hey man you want to oppress our love rights', I wonder whether you even consider how fortunate you are not to be in the position of having to beg using your mutilated body or starve. Making something historical does not lessen its oppression. And the fact it continues today does not mean it is a good thing it simply means people have not learnt that cruelty is simply cruel. Why you would then want to make that a 3d compeition for people to say 'cool' and 'that rockz dood' over is beyond me. You are not making an attempt to seriously address a difficult issue as art, that would actually be pretty laudable you are simply condoning treating people as freaks. Art is meant to be more than a carbon copy of the past. And please no 'political correctness' stupidity - everyone will have seen art that challenges perceptions that other people might find offensive, sometimes art does that best of any medium. But art that just endorses prejudice on a major industry website? What's the October challenge, 'best execution by the KKK'? You want people to make models that other people find repulsive, laughable and 'freaks'. What part of the 'freakshow' era is worth 'endorsing' like that? This is not art as commentary it's voyeurism, it's like porn compared to portraiture.

Dargon
08-12-2003, 10:47 AM
Good point, Witchy.

After reading a few of these comments, I'm starting to agree. I mean, on one hand, it might be really fun to create some Chet Zar inspired work, or some humorous take on the carny feeling.

On the other hand, it seems to me, that the rules of the contest seem to be trying to bend it in the direction of poking fun at the disfortunate. By not allowing the more humane variations, like people who stretch their limbs with rings, or push nails up thier noses, it's placing emphasis on the misfortunate ones.

This combined with the "must be humanoid, must be anitomically correct" parts of the rules, it greatly reduces the chance for creativite responses that find different ways to approach this awkward subject.

I'm starting to rethink entering this competition.

On exactly this note:

Vizjerei - no, that doesn't count. They have to be natural abnormalities or deformities, not manmade ones (which that custom would definitely fall under)

I wanted to create a charlatan - a humourous take on this whole thing, where the character has strapped, taped, and glued deforities onto himself, because he always wanted to be a freak, but wasn't. I fear the above would preclude me from doing this...

I know it's not in keeping to adjust the rules once a contest starts, but I think the guidelines need to be changed, so this is not an offensive contest. It's not far off, it's just the subtle touches that belise the insensitivity...

Max4ever
08-12-2003, 10:56 AM
Witchy, nice speech...btw, violence against poor animals makes me sick (look at your avatar) :p
c'mon ppl, now we're talking about morals? It's a 3D contest damn it...take it or leave it! :surprised

P.S. I remember a good line from PenguinMan (BatMan 4ever):
"It's Human nature to fear the unusual..." I think that's a good motto for this contest :rolleyes:

Witchy
08-12-2003, 11:15 AM
Indeed this competition will help to ensure people remain fearful of the unusual as you suggest. Or perhaps your quote, like art, can be seen and used in different ways. Who knows. As you would say; :rolleyes:

lildragon
08-12-2003, 12:08 PM
Our intent was not to make this controversial but fun. A few of you have serious problems with it, ok that's fine you're allowed, but please don't turn this into something it's not.

Some rules have been changed. Please revise

-lild

Electrofirma
08-12-2003, 12:40 PM
Well there you have it... "If your intrigued by deformity, your in favor of the mutilation of third world children". Now isn't that what I've been trying to tell you? :scream:

I'm sorry Witchy, but you can keep your sensitivity training. I decided long ago I don't play that game. If I'm going to feel guilty about something it will be my own genuine guilt, not some strangers, self-righteous guilt which is heaped out without measure.

We as an artistic community (myself not really included, cause my stuff sux) would be foolish not to answer this challenge in a contemporary manner. There are those here who will get all wrapped up in the grotesqueness of the 'freak', but there are others who will focus on the grotesqueness of the 'show'.

You argue that this challenge is already a failure because a disabled individual might be made uncomfortable. I believe that this challenge will be a success, because we have the talent here to make everyone uncomfortable.

The gauntlet has been thrown down...

Why would you as an artist not take this opportunity to use your art, to spread the message you seem to hold so dear.

You think the 'freakshow' is a bad thing? SHOW ME!

mv
08-12-2003, 12:58 PM
Well said Electrofirma:thumbsup:

Witchy
08-12-2003, 01:34 PM
I leave it up to you to revel in your enjoyment of things you don't think you should care about Electrofirma. I have no interest in joining a challenge which has no purpose apart from to mock and laugh at those less fortunate than me. There is no serious debate to be had here and no purpose for what is being made other than to reproduce freaks as if they are and were a good thing. This is porn, not something I find very artistic I am afraid. A porn competition with nice prizes is still a porn competition.

I did not say if you were intrigued by deformity you endorsed mutilation, but thanks for misreading my post. I am simply of the opinion that laughing and mocking at deformity is a slightly sad way of using your 'art'.

You can cloak your approach to this challenge in noble motives, however this is not really matched by people already posting 'ooo, ewww, gross dude, yay keep up that hanging off flesh, yeah sex it up' in several threads. But hey, you are the one without 'self rigteousness', apparently. Serious art by the non self righteous provokes comments like "Ouch! Really sick, man... I love it." Convincing stuff.

I am sorry but I am not going to feel bad about what I believe because of the self righteous lecture of a stranger, as you would say. I don't play the 'shouted down by so called art freedom lovers' game. Freedom rarely extends very far with such people. Your idea of freedom is to tell me I am being self rightoues and someone elses to tell me to get lost. Freedom is ok as long as it is yours to tell me to sod off I take it.

I wonder what your attitude would be if this challenge was model how people from ethnic or minority groups including jews and black people were viewed in Victorian times. Or model a prisoner from a concentration camp, interesting anatomical study after all.

I wonder whether laughing and mocking a different group would be viewed with such equanimity here when I have read in the past comments from moderators and others about ethnic slurs when people modelled someone from an African tribe and mislabelled it (not endorsing that it showed equal ignorance to laughing at people with withered arms). Some inequality is obviously more equal than others.

As for making this 'something it's not', this might mean nothing at all to the site owners, and why should it after all they are as free to consider what prejudice is trivial and what not as I am, but just because you are not offended does not mean there is no offence. And if you choose to laugh and mock people for being disabled you are going to find some people that wonder quite which century we are in.

lildragon
08-12-2003, 03:43 PM
Witchy you said you piece twice now, it was heard and we'll take further consideration on ways to iron out every conflicting detail for everyone here on this board in future challenges. Your points are taken and will be in mind for future rounds, now please if you have no interest in the challenge, leave it be until it expires. Please do that, that's all I ask.

FYI the rules have already been adjusted as I said earlier not to conflict with general interest.

-lild

Dargon
08-12-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Leigh


Vizjerei - no, that doesn't count. They have to be natural abnormalities or deformities, not manmade ones (which that custom would definitely fall under) ;)


My question again - on it's own; I want to make a charlatan character - pretending to be a freak, with fake deformities pasted on - would that be OK???

lildragon
08-12-2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Dargon
My question again - on it's own; I want to make a charlatan character - pretending to be a freak, with fake deformities pasted on - would that be OK???

Going with the adjustments this would be fine, just make it "part" of the character so to speak, a prosthetic if you will.

If they're crazy enough to attach things to their bodies, then yeah they're classified freaks :)

-lild

Dargon
08-12-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by lildragon
Going with the adjustments this would be fine, just make it "part" of the character so to speak, a prosthetic if you will.

If they're crazy enough to attach things to their bodies, then yeah they're classified freaks :)

-lild

Good.

JamesMK
08-12-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Witchy Serious art by the non self righteous provokes comments like "Ouch! Really sick, man... I love it." Convincing stuff.
I think I wrote that comment. And I simply meant that the concept was really sick, and that I truly liked the carefully thought out background story. It does not mean what you think it means.

About the controversy here - It boils down to political correctness and "entertainment culture", lacking a better word. And about what art is supposed to depict - and I can't see why "The Sideshow" would be any worse than "Game Icons" or "The Hapless hero".

Why? The current entertainment culture apparently has no problem with huge guns, like those found among the Game Icons. It's totally OK to model swords (useful to decapitate innocent human beings with), enormous rifles or bazookas (useful to blow people or small cities from the face of the earth)... Where were these upset morality issues then?

Unfortunate heroes with bad breath, poor dental hygiene or leprosy was apparently OK too.

Just face it. This is about imaginary characters. If it is OK to say "wow, cool" about weapons, explosions and whatnot, it is OK to do so in this current challenge as well. It's just 3D after all.

Personally, I'm going to use the fact that these sideshow characters probably have a very sad background. And I'm going to make a very sad portrait of something that is not real.

ionanism
08-13-2003, 12:33 AM
I had a problem with this challenge to, but I wasn’t bothered by the subject of it, I was more bothered by the rules. I felt that they were too limiting, I didn’t like that it had to be a natural deformity/abnormality that cannot be man-made. That really limited what we could do, there are a lot of interesting characters that we could create that are mostly man made monstrosities, victims of freak accidents, or just freaky people that have no defect other than a mental one that makes them crazy, or a freak.

So am I correct in the understanding that our characters can now be “man-made” freaks that are not just afflicted with a medical birth defect, as long as it’s interesting and not just some guy that pounds nails in his nose.

This has been addressed before in this thread, and someone mentioned that the rules have been change, I read them and the only thing I noticed that was different was the introduction of a prop, and the characters can be cartoony.

It also never said that they had to be natural in the rules they just had to have a “visible, anatomical deformity”.


That was kinda long for a simple question. Which is, just to reiterate. “Can our character be ‘man-made’ freaks?”

Hookflash
08-13-2003, 02:04 AM
Sorry if this has been asked before (as I imagine it has), but are people entering this challenge expected to have a fairly high level of artistic ability? The reason I ask is that this challenge really interests me (I've already got a few ideas;)), but my artistic abilities are mediocre at best. Thanks

Electrofirma
08-13-2003, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by Hookflash
Sorry if this has been asked before (as I imagine it has), but are people entering this challenge expected to have a fairly high level of artistic ability? The reason I ask is that this challenge really interests me (I've already got a few ideas;)), but my artistic abilities are mediocre at best. Thanks

HAHAHAHA!!!! I don't think so!

I never really thought about what was expected, when I entered my first one (June/July) I simply looked through the previous challenges, judged myself against the lower end of the spectrum and decided 'Heck Yeah! I can do that!'.

I haven't been around here that long, but I have read lots of Comments and Criticisms. I have spent some time digging through older threads, and I have not once seen anybody accuse another of wasting our time!

Welcome aboard!

Rey
08-13-2003, 07:11 AM
4) Character has to be asymmetrical.

With this rule is it refering to obvious diferences in anatomy
such as one arm real short & one long, or just subtle natural feature differences?
Just an asymmetrical costume?
Asymmetrical pose?

victor throe
08-13-2003, 08:15 AM
what do i have to do to make sure i am entered into the competition


do i just have to add an entry into the cgchallenge.com site linking to my thread here?


its not very clear to me

pigwater
08-13-2003, 08:54 AM
just start a new thread using the proper title.. "The SideShow-Character-YourName"

victor throe
08-13-2003, 09:09 AM
do you mean start a new thread here or at cgchallenge

its just i started one at cgtalk last time and wasnt entered

but it doesnt say in the rules where you have to enter exactly

pigwater
08-13-2003, 09:54 AM
you do both... start one here where everyone elses is ...then go to cgchallenge and do one there ... if you don't do one there no one can vote for you , that is your entry,... these are just the works in progress ..but ya gotta do both ...

victor throe
08-13-2003, 10:55 AM
maybe their should be a small addition to the readme for newbies to clarify this

lildragon
08-13-2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by ionanism

That was kinda long for a simple question. Which is, just to reiterate. “Can our character be ‘man-made’ freaks?”

I already answered this in the thread.

-lild

lildragon
08-13-2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Rey
4) Character has to be asymmetrical.

or just subtle natural feature differences?


Yes symmetry in organics simply isn't natural.

-lild

lildragon
08-13-2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by victor throe
maybe their should be a small addition to the readme for newbies to clarify this

I was meaning to do that, sorry for the confusion.

-lild

ionanism
08-14-2003, 07:01 AM
Ok I just wanted to run my idea by those of you out there who are in charge of what is acceptable for this challenge before I get too committed to this idea.

My Idea is for a character that was the result of genetic experimentation after WWI (because there were so many deaths, this guy is suppose to be a super soldier that would be very hard to kill) I plan on making him as “low tech”looking as possible. Here is my drawing of him.Drawing (http://showcase.westwood.edu/student/jklein/cg_chall/Draft_01.jpg)

My concern is with if it’s too “modern” of a thing to do to a person during the time period we are designing for. But Hitler was doing some pretty crazy medical experiments on people around the time of WWII, so what I came up with is not much more advanced than that, if not less, I just grafted a gun to his arm, along with other various metal plates to protect him.

I just wanted to check, I hope I am not being to difficult.

Hookflash
08-14-2003, 07:09 AM
ionanism: I believe the deformity cannot be man-made.

ionanism
08-14-2003, 07:46 AM
I had asked this question myself but lildragon said that the question was already answered earlier in the thread, and I think this is the answer:

quote:
Originally posted by Dargon
My question again - on it's own; I want to make a charlatan character - pretending to be a freak, with fake deformities pasted on - would that be OK???

lildragon:
Going with the adjustments this would be fine, just make it "part" of the character so to speak, a prosthetic if you will.

If they're crazy enough to attach things to their bodies, then yeah they're classified freaks

-lild



I think that means that they can be man-made, but I wasn’t sure, which was why I asked again in the first place. So you may be right Hookflash, maybe cant be man-made, maybe they have to me mentally crazy too. All I would have to do to my character would be add that he was part of the MK-Ultra mind control experiment, making him have mental problems, then he would qualify. I believe MK-Ultra was being tested in 1940 – 50s some time which would fall into the time frame just barely.

lildragon
08-14-2003, 12:48 PM
ionanism it's way to modern for the time period.

-lild

ionanism
08-14-2003, 08:25 PM
Well… back to the drawing board.

chadlychoo
08-19-2003, 07:32 AM
I'd like to make a man with the physical features of a pug, Pug Man, but one of the pug’s key characteristics is that they are small stocky dogs (see attached image). In the challenge rules it states that 'little people' aren’t allowed. If I were to model this character I'd want him to be abnormally short and stocky (plus other pugish features), would this be ok or not?

catbert
08-20-2003, 09:17 PM
i cant help but get into a moral debate... that's my nature. and i dont know what to decide. i mean it's not as if we're mocking anyone - it's not as if we model someone with a deformity then go laughing at them for fun. i usually like to seperate art, movies, and so on from real life. just because i laugh when they do "old people" jokes means i go kicking old people or mock them for fun later on - it's acknowledgin the fact that such people or awkawrd situation exist, and that's it's not that critical. just because i like violent films dosent mean i love violence in real life. and just because i love the creativty of someone who can draw and model someone with an abnormality dosent mean i mock these person or think it's funny in real life. i can already see people hating doom3 and making them change it to "life-full challenged ppl". it's zombies. say it.

zbgump
08-25-2003, 07:39 PM
CGChallenge.com is down? I'm getting "Could not connect to database."

richd
08-25-2003, 07:42 PM
is it still late to join? andwhat if my character has no hand, does it still need to carry a prop in the hand?
thnks

gmask
08-26-2003, 02:08 AM
I have an old sketch that applies to this challenge.. can I start with that or should I redraw it? I'd rather not but if that would be more fair seeing as how this would be my first challenge :applause:

zarkos
08-26-2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by zbgump
CGChallenge.com is down? I'm getting "Could not connect to database."


Have same problem.

Soulcre8er
09-01-2003, 12:15 AM
how does this teamwork thing work, because i know that the winners of the Cinematic Game Icons Classic Challenge worked as a team but i figure they each had to model something, what i want to know is if 2 people can work on the same character?
The reason why im asking is because i know its a little late to join the challenge and the only way i can complete the challenge is if i had help. Thanks alot :thumbsup:

markw7
09-06-2003, 04:52 AM
maya paintfx

yes or no?

eYadNesS
09-06-2003, 12:17 PM
:surprised lildragon don't say no, i'm using it :surprised

Dargon
09-08-2003, 11:14 AM
I was figuring that if it were to be used, you'd have to use the same rules applied to fur shaders - that you only could if it's short. (if it's hair obviously)

I would guess that if you were using it, you could't be judged on it, (but still on the rest of your work) because it isn't strictly modeling - esp. if you use a default brush... :)

Of course, if you convert to polies....;)

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