Harrison Ford in for Indiana Jones 5

[imashination]

But will it be as crap as the last one?

[RobW720]

that's really quite brave of him. after the brutal rape that was laid upon him in indy 4 for him to get out there and back on that saddle... takes guts, man.

[Magnus3D]

Way to go Harrison Ford! yay for yet another Indy movie :) thanks for the good news.

/ Magnus

[leigh]

Well I learned my lesson the last time around and won't be bothering with this one.

[redbellpeppers]

But will it be as crap as the last one?
Well I learned my lesson the last time around and won't be bothering with this one.

Think of it this way: the only direction they can go is up. Here's hoping both Lucas and Spielberg caught that South Park episode.

[evolucian]

5 bucks says its aliens or dinosaurs....NO! its gonna be Alien Dinosaurs!

[spurcell]

Well I learned my lesson the last time around and won't be bothering with this one.

You and me both sister.

[kelgy]

I dont think its guts-he just doesnt have much else going on.
He doesnt do supporting parts like a Sean Connery did, and he's not initiating his own projects like Eastwood or Stallone(the Expendables looks interesting with the cameos from AS and BW), so its either Indiana Jones or staying retired.

[cresshead]

all depends on the story...
could be good, they may have learned abit from the last one.

[Venkman]

I'll go see it if they leave Shia out of the next movie!

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/enoughlabeouf1.jpg

[Hordak]

I'll go see it if they leave Shia out of the next movie!

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/enoughlabeouf1.jpg

I hear you! He was the Jar jar binks of Indiana Jones

[grrinc]

I hear you! He was the Jar jar binks of Indiana Jones

Well I enjoyed the fourth film, but this comment is quite true!

[toontje]

I hear you! He was the Jar jar binks of Indiana Jones

You hit the nail right on the head and then some!

[bryitis]

I hear you! He was the Jar jar binks of Indiana Jones

whenever i think about him swinging on vines tarzan style, this sketch comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baDFBpjb47M

[richcz3]

that's really quite brave of him. after the brutal rape that was laid upon him in indy 4 for him to get out there and back on that saddle... takes guts, man.Or it may be indicative of his otherwise diminished presence in movies altogether. The movies he has done just before Indy 4 and since have gone relatively unnoticed.

[Seraca]

I'll go see it if they leave Shia out of the next movie!

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/enoughlabeouf1.jpg



I see I am not the only Labeouf "Anti-Fan" here:buttrock:



Cheers

[j00st81]

you know what would be brave, if they made this indy movie with 0 digital environments/monsters/objects

I want huge boulders made out of styrofoam dammit! :D

[Pyke]

I actually like Labeouf. :shrug: Disturbia is a really cool movie, and so was HOLES.
He was pretty good in Transformers as well. In indy, he was completely miss cast.

[Nicodemus]

So much wrong with number 4 I am really hoping 5 will make up for some of that. Aliens??? Shia doing the Tarzan thing??? The mutiple Gopher sitings?????.....there are so many things wrong with it.Leslie

[richcz3]

you know what would be brave, if they made this indy movie with 0 digital environments/monsters/objects

I want huge boulders made out of styrofoam dammit! :D
So .... then what is George going to do?

[SheepFactory]

So .... then what is George going to do?

Hopefully nothing.

[Venkman]

I actually like Labeouf. :shrug: Disturbia is a really cool movie, and so was HOLES.
He was pretty good in Transformers as well. In indy, he was completely miss cast.

The thing is, the kid is a good actor. He always does good work.

But you have to admit, for a stretch of about 3 years, there was always a movie with him in theaters. You can't get a break from him sometimes. The kid is everywhere. Colin Farrel did the same thing a while back.

It's like listening to a song over and over. Sooner or later, you're gonna want to listen to something else. ;)

[puch]

But will it be as crap as the last one?

Man, the last one was soooooo bad I walked out of the theater!

[hanskloss]

I loved the original Indy but this one was just straight out retarded. The first indication was the nuclear explosion and the fridge scene. I was ready to walk out then and there, but I thought I'd give it a chance. A total disappointment. It was an average "dumb film" up untill the moment when the alien ship took off. How was this ever going to fit with the other films?? Expectations will be even greater after the 4th installment.

[mecos]

The thing is, the kid is a good actor. He always does good work.

But you have to admit, for a stretch of about 3 years, there was always a movie with him in theaters. You can't get a break from him sometimes. The kid is everywhere. Colin Farrel did the same thing a while back.

It's like listening to a song over and over. Sooner or later, you're gonna want to listen to something else. ;)

the kid is not that great of an actor and he plays the same character over and over in different scenarios.

i don't understand the flack that 4 got. the first ones were very entertaining but equally bad and ridiculous.

[Michael5188]

the kid is not that great of an actor and he plays the same character over and over in different scenarios.

So do 90% of actors, honestly. There are the select few incredibly talented actors who really change up their roles in each film they're in, but the majority are basically acting the same way in every movie. It's mostly evident in comedies, but happens all over. Not to mention Shia has been cast as the nervous, everyday teenager in every movie he's been in, how do you expect him to act differently when he gets the same role over and over?

As far as Indiana Jones goes the fourth doesn't count. It still is and will always be a trilogy. In fact I think talk of the fourth movie should be banned, and everyone should pretend it never existed.

[Nemoid]

They will put Connery to play Indy, and Ford to play his father. :D

talking seriously: For my personal tastes, Indiana Jones series ended with chapter III.
No need to do other movies at all.

[flipnap]

honestly, the last indy film.. I felt like I was watching an indiana jones attraction at a theme park.. where they just hired ford and some to act it out, lousy script and all, then filmed it.. All it felt like was an homage to the original, with nothing to offer.. and the fact that it was an alien artifact kinda pulled me out of the story... the whole movie felt like an inside joke, and i was on the outside.. i really felt like the director and actors were having a lot fun making this movie-at my expense

[danlefeb]

For my personal tastes, Indiana Jones series ended with chapter III.
No need to do other movies at all.

I agree totally!

[FabioMSilva]

5 bucks says its aliens or dinosaurs....NO! its gonna be Alien Dinosaurs!

i bet on Indy's dad ressurection

[studiomaxer3d]

I figure there is no reason to even think today's sequels will ever be great like they were back in the day. So I just watch them and expect not to feel like I did with the originals. When I leave the theater I'm not disappointed.

[Venkman]

the kid is not that great of an actor

That's why I used the term "good", not great. ;)

[madheavy]

Something about George Lucas...ever since Willow the man has been off his game.
The prequels to SW were nothing like the originals, they hardly even fit together dramatically speaking.
He seems to always want the annoying side kick and silly jokes to keep the audience interested when all it does is illicit groans and sighs.
Maybe they'll go back to Indys roots for the next film.

[DizzyJ]

But will it be as crap as the last one?

It will be more. Indy movies make too much money for a reboot, but get worse with every new one.

[Stankluv]

Young Shia will receive the hat at the end of this one...hate to tell you guys

[Garibaldi]

I loved the original Indy but this one was just straight out retarded. The first indication was the nuclear explosion and the fridge scene. I was ready to walk out then and there, but I thought I'd give it a chance. A total disappointment. It was an average "dumb film" up untill the moment when the alien ship took off. How was this ever going to fit with the other films?? Expectations will be even greater after the 4th installment.

Ya'll do understand that 4 was supposed to be based off of 50's era pulp sci-fi and not 30"s era pulp action adventure? Talking to people I know who were actually around then, they have all said that same thing; He actually nailed the schlock scifi of that decade. It was all action and seriously cornball. Which is pretty much a good description of any Indiana Jones movie.

Lucas said early on that it was going to be different than the previous 3. Which I suspect is the real complaint most seem to have. He had the audacity to change the type of movie. No one likes change it seems.

And c'mon, all of the movies have had that type of scene that strains credulity. That's half the fun of them! If Indy didn't do things that would kill anyone else and survive them unscathed, he wouldn't be near as much fun to watch. Hell, I don't hear anyone complaining about the scene in 2 where they dove out of the plane on a raft and survived with barely a scratch! The fridge scene was no different.

[R10k]

Spot on, Garibaldi.

[mushroomgod]

Ya'll do understand that 4 was supposed to be based off of 50's era pulp sci-fi and not 30"s era pulp action adventure? Talking to people I know who were actually around then, they have all said that same thing; He actually nailed the schlock scifi of that decade. It was all action and seriously cornball. Which is pretty much a good description of any Indiana Jones movie.

Lucas said early on that it was going to be different than the previous 3. Which I suspect is the real complaint most seem to have. He had the audacity to change the type of movie. No one likes change it seems.

And c'mon, all of the movies have had that type of scene that strains credulity. That's half the fun of them! If Indy didn't do things that would kill anyone else and survive them unscathed, he wouldn't be near as much fun to watch. Hell, I don't hear anyone complaining about the scene in 2 where they dove out of the plane on a raft and survived with barely a scratch! The fridge scene was no different.


The fridge scene was awful because we know from history/school/tv etc... that a nuclear bomb would wipe out everything in its path, inc fridges.
There are things in the other films which are just as far fetched - The ark, cup of Christ, invisible bridges etc.. but there is one fundamental difference, they are all spiritual/supernatural. We cant prove that ghosts dont exist, we cant prove that god* or invisible bridges do not exist somwhere, but we can prove that a nuke would destroy a fridge (with ease), and a wooden town and a city.



Other than that I thought the film was awfull.

[R10k]

The ark, cup of Christ, invisible bridges etc.. but there is one fundamental difference, they are all spiritual/supernatural.

Nice idea, but the invisible bridge wasn't invisible because of either of those things. It was simply made to look like the surrounding rock formations from the passage's entrance. It was just as ridiculous as the fridge scene... but I could care less, because it was both fun and cool in a 50's era pulp sci-fi kind of way, as Garibaldi said.

[mushroomgod]

Nice idea, but the invisible bridge wasn't invisible because of either of those things. It was simply made to look like the surrounding rock formations from the passage's entrance. It was just as ridiculous as the fridge scene

well its not really is it...
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2006-01/perspective.jpg

we know that this is a real technique - Hiding in a fridge as protection form an Atom bomb is not ;)

[rock]

Judging from the last Indiana Jones movie, if I need sleep that day when the next Indie movie is released, I will go to watch it for sure.

[R10k]

...we know that this is a real technique...

Maybe, but what are the chances of that kind of thing working convincingly as it is in the movie? Pretty much zero.

Hiding in a fridge as protection form an Atom bomb is not...

Some of the best pulp sci-fi is all about making you, even for a split second, believe that the impossible might actually be possible. Everyone understands pulp sci-fi extremes are ridiculous. Some go right to the edge of believability, and some go too far over the edge. But, at least they take us there. The alternative is a boring old bunker or something even more predictable.

Enjoy Indy for what it is. If that means you have to leave your brain completely at the door and laugh at how stupid it all is, do it. It's better than sounding like a grumpy old man, moaning at the screen that things wouldn't be possible. That's what my dad does for nearly every movie, no matter how realistic, and it gets real old, real quick. We've all got brains (I hope) and have worked that this stuff [very likely] isn't possible. I don't know about you, but I don't need someone telling me that again. Lately, that's what every CGTalk movie post is all about. It'd be awesome for once to hear someone say, "Hey that ridiculous scene gave me a good chuckle. Props to the guys who dreamed it up."

My two cents, as they say.

[mushroomgod]

Maybe, but what are the chances of that kind of thing working convincingly as it is in the movie? Pretty much zero.



Some of the best pulp sci-fi is all about making you, even for a split second, believe that the impossible might actually be possible. Everyone understands pulp sci-fi extremes are ridiculous. Some go right to the edge of believability, and some go too far over the edge. But, at least they take us there. The alternative is a boring old bunker or something even more predictable.

Enjoy Indy for what it is. If that means you have to leave your brain completely at the door and laugh at how stupid it all is, do it. It's better than sounding like a grumpy old man, moaning at the screen that things wouldn't be possible. That's what my dad does for nearly every movie, no matter how realistic, and it gets real old, real quick. We've all got brains (I hope) and have worked that this stuff [very likely] isn't possible. I don't know about you, but I don't need someone telling me that again. Lately, that's what every CGTalk movie post is all about. It'd be awesome for once to hear someone say, "Hey that ridiculous scene gave me a good chuckle. Props to the guys who dreamed it up."

My two cents, as they say.

If "leaving my brain at the door" is the only way I can enjoy the ridiculous scene then its not a film I would ever want to watch. As an example, why not have indy simply fabricate a bunker in the 10 secs he has before the bomb goes off? Its just as plausible has hiding in a fridge and expecting to survive.

Isnt the phrase "leave my brain at the door", its just an excuse for bad writers to come up with any old crap and have people pay good money and lap it up? :shrug:

[R10k]

If "leaving my brain at the door" is the only way I can enjoy the ridiculous scene then its not a film I would ever want to watch.

That's fine, but why is that the film's problem?

As an example, why not have indy simply fabricate a bunker in the 10 secs he has before the bomb goes off? Its just as plausible has hiding in a fridge and expecting to survive.

Do I really have to answer that?

Isnt the phrase "leave my brain at the door", its just an excuse for bad writers to come up with any old crap and have people pay good money and lap it up?

Sure, sometimes. Not always though. Sometimes it's the thing that (shock horror) allows people to actually enjoy a film. I find myself enjoying more films by accepting them for what they are. As with all things you obviously take the good with the bad, and some films are just plain terrible. When you're talking about a followup movie to a series that obviously pushes the limits of reality to the limit, it's okay to leave your brain at the door... not because the writers are lame, but because you're supposed to. If that gets your goat, as mentioned above that's fine, but you can hardly blame the movie for it.

Well okay, this is teh intarweb. Blaming everything is what life is all about, right? :D

EDIT: Yes I realise how lame it is saying, "the limits of reality to the limit" :)

[richcz3]

On stretching credulity - Temple of Doom...
The scene where Indy, Kate Capshaw and the kid jump out of the plane on an inflatable boat...yeah. I remember really cringing at that scene. Seeing them falling hundreds if not a thousands of feet. No chance anyone would have survived the blunt force trauma of that landing. :curious:
But that is somewhat the trademark of the series. improbable/impossible escapes.
Still you would think there could be some more exciting yet plausible escape scene created to escape an ABomb.

[kelgy]

The jumping the mine car tracks was also far fetched(or very very lucky).

Trouble with the UFO and archaeology angle is that its Chariots of the Gods again. Having Indiana Jones involved in that after X Files, Battlestar Galactica and Alien vs Predator and a bunch of other things did the same kind of thing isnt fresh, even if aliens are in keeping with 1950s pop culture/serials.

The quest for the Ark, a Kali sacrificial cult, and the Grail werent exploited in 1930s serials as far as I know so that was a unique angle. Occult adventure with magical artifacts based in currently active world religions was what Indiana Jones focused on in the previous movies.

Sticking Indiana Jones into science fiction is a bit jarring like having James Bond fighting the Loch Ness Monster.


Whether there is an occult/historical based object quest that involves psychic phenomenon that they could have done instead....Lucas made up his minds he wanted aliens and he just waited until time forced Ford and Spielberg to decide it was doing aliens or nothing.
What is Lucas cooking up next i wonder.

I predict:


Bigfoot.

[imashination]

Think of it this way: the only direction they can go is up. Here's hoping both Lucas and Spielberg caught that South Park episode.

The last terminator and alien films proved that 'down' is always an option, no matter how bad the last one.

[Venkman]

Isnt the phrase "leave my brain at the door", its just an excuse for bad writers to come up with any old crap and have people pay good money and lap it up? :shrug:


It's a "glass is half empty or half full" question. Although in either case, it's not a full glass, you've paid money to see the movie. Can you get enjoyment out of it, or will you let it bother you?

I've learned to enjoy it. I think I have more fun than some of you guys. :b



The last terminator and alien films proved that 'down' is always an option, no matter how bad the last one.

Please tell me you at least enjoyed the harvester scene!

[eirenicon]

The first Indiana Jones was a bad movie with good acting, writing, and direction. The last Indiana Jones movie was a bad movie with bad acting, writing, and direction. That's the difference. You can't make a good movie about 50's scifi pulp that revolves around alien crystal skulls and a lost city of gold, so you'd better get everything else right. And that's why the first movie is awesome and the last movie is pants.

[Maxx57]

C'mon people... It's Indiana Jones! Bad or not, it still brings the spirit of adventure home. And that is the spirit that many movies lack. (even though Indy 4 lacked in other ways...) Go Dr. Jones!

[thethule]

C'mon people... It's Indiana Jones! Bad or not, it still brings the spirit of adventure home. And that is the spirit that many movies lack. (even though Indy 4 lacked in other ways...) Go Dr. Jones!

Actually, it was that bad. It was an insult to every single person who watched it. Awful awful awful awful film. Dumb (not in a good way), stupid, badly acted (dear lord, SO badly acted), badly written. NOTHING redeaming about it other than the cgi.

In case you hadnt noticed, i hated it.

[cookepuss]

Too lazy to read the whole thread, but I'll say this: Harrison Ford is delusional. He'd likely be 70 by the time Indy 5 get released.

Anybody remember how increasingly labored Charles Bronson looked in the later Death Wish movies? Bronson was ~72 and looked like he was ready to be put down himself. All of the action was choreographed AROUND him. I can't imagine that a 70 year old Harrison Ford would be much different.

There's a point where he has to say, "I had some great days as an action hero and cultural icon. Now it's time for me to start playing Grandpa."

This isn't to say that Ford can't remain a vital part of Hollywood. It's just that he has to change. A man's gotta know his limits. Even a man engaged to a woman 20+ years younger.

Besides, even if Ford were still up to the task, which Indy 4 put in doubt, I don't think that the movie audience wants what he has to offer anymore. Though action & fun packed, the Indy movies have always had a methodical pacing that defies the expectations of today's popcorn guzzling, brain dead audiences. There's something almost too smart about Indy that wouldn't fly with audiences who live and thrive on fart jokes and racially stereotyped robots.

Even if Ford AND Lucas/Spielberg could pull it off.... Today's audiences don't deserve Indy.

[thethule]

Even if Ford AND Lucas/Spielberg could pull it off.... Today's audiences don't deserve Indy.


You are right, i didn't do ANYTHING to deserve sitting through Indy 4. :D

[thethule]

double post

[mecos]

The last terminator and alien films proved that 'down' is always an option, no matter how bad the last one.


i thoroughly enjoyed terminator. sure it didn't have the same cheesiness like in T2 that makes audiences bond with the characters but it was entertaining enough.

but harrison is simply too old. i remember watching What Lies Beneath and the only scary moments in that movie were the sex scenes... and that was like 10 years ago.

[peteb]

I disagree that the fridge scene was part of what made this a bad film. As others have stated, there were a number of other scenarios in the other three films that were just as far fetched.

What made this a bad film were two main things. Lack of inspiration from the Lucas Spielberg and Ford. You could just feel it through the whole film. Harrison was just saying his lines as if he was rehearsing the whole thing.
I feel that both Lucas and Spielberg had the attitude of , I've been here and done it before, so many times that they just felt it was more a walk in the park. This I believe is one of the biggest mistakes you can make as an artist. No matter how experienced you are, when you approach a piece of art, you should approach it as with as much enthusiasm and wonder as you would of a completely new idea. They approached it like painting by numbers, and for that reason it really suffered.

The other main reason was the CG. One of the main great things about the original Indy films was that they always had real stunts. Like when Indy is getting dragged along under the wheels of a car.
I remember watching the Matrix unloaded (or whatever the second one was called) and even though what I was watching should have been real edge of your seat stuff (it was the bit where their on the roof of a lorry doing 60 on a dual carriage way) I just found it boring. The reason was simple, it wasn't real. Although the artist had done the best job they could to fit these characters into the scene, you knew it was just blue/green screen. And no that isn't just because I'm in the industry and know this stuff. It's all the little nuances that make things real. Another.reason why all the new Star Wars films lacked that gritty realism.

So even though the swinging on the vines was ridiculous, it wouldn't have felt that bad if you'd seen real people swinging on real vines. You would have felt the real tension as they had to use all their strength to hang on as leafs and branches smacked into them. Instead all we got was a game cut scene, something so far fetched, with no grounds in reality, it made you not care for the character what so ever. Not to mention the fact that the character had no depth through the whole film anyway.

For me they were the two main reason that the film had no appeal. It wasn't the Alien take on things, I actually quite liked that idea. It was simply the audience didn't believe in the characters/didn't care for them and the world they lived in was just as shallow as most computer games.

Pete B

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