AirbORn
08-08-2003, 07:45 AM
I know Adobe just came out with After Effects 6 I believe, does anyone know what new features it has? I haven't had a chance to try it.
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jason-slab
08-08-2003, 08:56 AM
well its just been released, so my guess is that knowone has really tried it yet.
but here's the link to adobe
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/newfeatures.html
sounds good to me, can't wait to try some of those new freatures
|jason
but here's the link to adobe
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/newfeatures.html
sounds good to me, can't wait to try some of those new freatures
|jason
Limbus
08-08-2003, 09:56 AM
I went to an adobe presentation of premiere pro, audition, encore and after effects 6. The cool thiong was, that adobe hired some pros to show of the new programms and they showed some actual work and hwo it was done. :thumbsup: Not much marketing giberish.
Afer Effects looks cool. The new typo tools make typo animation so much easier and more powerfull. The new tracker worked very acuarte and fast. They also showed the new keylight keyer on a car shot in front of a blue screen. Just with the deafult settings the keying was perfect. Even the reflections on the carwindows stayed. OpenGL is now very fast. And there is a nice integration with cinema 4d. You can change the light color and intensity for every single light in a rendered scene. Something like .rpf on steroids. The where runing AFX on an 2ghz P4 and it was very fast.
The interface is still very messy thou.
Florian
Afer Effects looks cool. The new typo tools make typo animation so much easier and more powerfull. The new tracker worked very acuarte and fast. They also showed the new keylight keyer on a car shot in front of a blue screen. Just with the deafult settings the keying was perfect. Even the reflections on the carwindows stayed. OpenGL is now very fast. And there is a nice integration with cinema 4d. You can change the light color and intensity for every single light in a rendered scene. Something like .rpf on steroids. The where runing AFX on an 2ghz P4 and it was very fast.
The interface is still very messy thou.
Florian
Peter Reynolds
08-08-2003, 10:35 AM
Yeah, shame about the interface.
After getting used to apps like Maya, XSI, Mirai, Fusion, Combustion, Shake, etc, you really start to wish adobe would do something about the interface for apps like AfterEffects and Photoshop.
Though, I get the impression a lot users like things just the way they are.
After getting used to apps like Maya, XSI, Mirai, Fusion, Combustion, Shake, etc, you really start to wish adobe would do something about the interface for apps like AfterEffects and Photoshop.
Though, I get the impression a lot users like things just the way they are.
Self-Designer
08-08-2003, 01:19 PM
what's the problem with adobe's products' ui? i mean i'm using them for too long to b aware for that i guess... the shortcuts r fine, u have a lot of stuff without getting lost in the UI... but again... after using them for years u can't really know what's the difficulties for beginners...
Peter Reynolds
08-08-2003, 02:35 PM
Artist 3D, I don't think the issue is difficulties for BEGINNERS.
In fact, maybe the problem is that adobe products are made to be EASY for BEGINNERS, which, in terms of workflow can make them more clunky for advanced users compared to other apps like Shake.
Many apps, like Shake, Combustion and even free apps like Wings 3D have a better workflow/UI than adobe products, but you've got to take the time to really learn them to realise that.
Don't get me wrong, I like photoshop and aftereffects. And photoshop 7 was a step in the right direction, but I wouldn't even like to imagine an adobe designed 3D application.
In fact, maybe the problem is that adobe products are made to be EASY for BEGINNERS, which, in terms of workflow can make them more clunky for advanced users compared to other apps like Shake.
Many apps, like Shake, Combustion and even free apps like Wings 3D have a better workflow/UI than adobe products, but you've got to take the time to really learn them to realise that.
Don't get me wrong, I like photoshop and aftereffects. And photoshop 7 was a step in the right direction, but I wouldn't even like to imagine an adobe designed 3D application.
AirbORn
08-08-2003, 04:23 PM
About the interface for Photoshop I find it to be ok. I'm running two monitors so I through all my tools on one screen and work on the other. But even without the second monitor it's still ok.
But as for After Effects the interface is still lacking a clean layout.
But as for After Effects the interface is still lacking a clean layout.
stickyblue
08-08-2003, 04:33 PM
i dont think we can say that after effects UI is easier , shake's is . i think it all depends on the person who uses it . i have been using shake and after effects and i personally HAAATE shake's interface , its disgusting to me :) but a lot of my friends love it . and i can work with AE as fast as they work with Shake , and vice versa .
Self-Designer
08-08-2003, 06:38 PM
Well, i've never worked with shake. but i've looked in Apple's site and i have only 1 thing 2 say: "i hate dark UIs" :)
I know it's a stupid exuse, but it gives u the feel of little space.
I agree there's a lack of comfort in after effects UI... Why did they do everything in floating windows?! it takes a lot of space...
However, photoshop's UI is wonderful. You can combine groups of floating windows in one group, u can hide everything in TAB, and only the right side with Shift+TAB, you have shortcuts for everything almost and those who don't have can get by scripts. More then that, ctrl+, ctrl-, ctrl 0, alt+ctrl+(+,-,0) and space bar give u a great control over navigation! with alt+ctrl+(+,-,0) u can zoom in and out without having the canvas under the UI - excellent!
For a comparsion, I hate flash and freehands UIs because of those blue line above each tool-window who takes a lot of space, the too big buttons, all those windows... aaargh! i can't work with such UIs! no suprise they took some ideas from Adobe...
The only UI (of 2d programs) i think may be better then Adobe's is corel's UI. Full customized, stacks to the sides of the screen, so there's no reason the working area will be under the UI.
Here i have a bad thing about adobe, i recall i've tried Illustrator once and all those floating windows filled half of my screen. Well i like having all the tools opened and accessible (i don't like to hide windows i can show)... I think a good UI should give you the feel as u can access everything without show/hide, but by menus and smart categorizing.
And one last thing (for now) you can't compare 2d interface to 3d... i think... well... floating windows on 3d will be disaster... but 2d can afford it... ah... maybe 2d programs whould learn from 3d programs... because it seems to me now... that 3d as a more demanding programs (4 viewports, more control, a lot of headache...)... maybe 2d programers can learn something from the 3d programs' UI...
Wow... i'm sorry that reply is so mess up... i had 2 orginize my thoughts before... well.. :hmm:
I know it's a stupid exuse, but it gives u the feel of little space.
I agree there's a lack of comfort in after effects UI... Why did they do everything in floating windows?! it takes a lot of space...
However, photoshop's UI is wonderful. You can combine groups of floating windows in one group, u can hide everything in TAB, and only the right side with Shift+TAB, you have shortcuts for everything almost and those who don't have can get by scripts. More then that, ctrl+, ctrl-, ctrl 0, alt+ctrl+(+,-,0) and space bar give u a great control over navigation! with alt+ctrl+(+,-,0) u can zoom in and out without having the canvas under the UI - excellent!
For a comparsion, I hate flash and freehands UIs because of those blue line above each tool-window who takes a lot of space, the too big buttons, all those windows... aaargh! i can't work with such UIs! no suprise they took some ideas from Adobe...
The only UI (of 2d programs) i think may be better then Adobe's is corel's UI. Full customized, stacks to the sides of the screen, so there's no reason the working area will be under the UI.
Here i have a bad thing about adobe, i recall i've tried Illustrator once and all those floating windows filled half of my screen. Well i like having all the tools opened and accessible (i don't like to hide windows i can show)... I think a good UI should give you the feel as u can access everything without show/hide, but by menus and smart categorizing.
And one last thing (for now) you can't compare 2d interface to 3d... i think... well... floating windows on 3d will be disaster... but 2d can afford it... ah... maybe 2d programs whould learn from 3d programs... because it seems to me now... that 3d as a more demanding programs (4 viewports, more control, a lot of headache...)... maybe 2d programers can learn something from the 3d programs' UI...
Wow... i'm sorry that reply is so mess up... i had 2 orginize my thoughts before... well.. :hmm:
AirbORn
08-08-2003, 06:51 PM
I agree with what you said, 2D programers should learn from 3D UIs. Personaly I have no problem with Photoshop 7's UI but there could be improvments along with other programs.
I wonder what Adobe will consider this possibility in future applications.
I wonder what Adobe will consider this possibility in future applications.
Peter Reynolds
08-08-2003, 07:00 PM
I prefer a dark grey user interface, as it has minimal impact on your color and light perception. Which is very important if you need to make a lot of color and lighting decisions.
AirbORn
08-08-2003, 07:15 PM
I agree, usually it's a neutral grey of about 50% I believe. Give or take a few percent.
Joviex
08-08-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Peter Reynolds
I prefer a dark grey user interface, as it has minimal impact on your color and light perception. Which is very important if you need to make a lot of color and lighting decisions.
Ahhh the editors arguement since the begining of time.
Says who? Your users won't be watching (more than likely) in a neutral grey environment? Why not all black then, so you get pure colors on the monitor (which is of course set for 6500k) as well as the lighting in the room, and any thing you have hanging with color on the wall (which should not be behind the monitor).
Soooo many things to keep track of.
Anyways, as to the UI, different strokes. I like the AE UI, I like Combustion, I do disagree that my entire environemnt should be grey, gimme skins, let me decide, haven't heard the client complain yet about bad color correction.
I prefer a dark grey user interface, as it has minimal impact on your color and light perception. Which is very important if you need to make a lot of color and lighting decisions.
Ahhh the editors arguement since the begining of time.
Says who? Your users won't be watching (more than likely) in a neutral grey environment? Why not all black then, so you get pure colors on the monitor (which is of course set for 6500k) as well as the lighting in the room, and any thing you have hanging with color on the wall (which should not be behind the monitor).
Soooo many things to keep track of.
Anyways, as to the UI, different strokes. I like the AE UI, I like Combustion, I do disagree that my entire environemnt should be grey, gimme skins, let me decide, haven't heard the client complain yet about bad color correction.
AirbORn
08-08-2003, 09:36 PM
From what I understand the reason why a grey is better then a solid black or solid white UI background is that the colours are kept neutral.
You won't have a hard time working on anything (almost anything) because the grey won't interfer with the colours from your work.
You also are right about the lighting condition in your work environment, etc. But in the long run a grey background can be a personal preference.
And an all grey UI is something I don't want to see either.
You won't have a hard time working on anything (almost anything) because the grey won't interfer with the colours from your work.
You also are right about the lighting condition in your work environment, etc. But in the long run a grey background can be a personal preference.
And an all grey UI is something I don't want to see either.
Hugh
08-08-2003, 11:59 PM
Personally, I love Photoshop's UI.... I find it easy to work with, and everything is there where I want it.
However, this opinion doesn't hold for After Effects and Premiere..
I started compositing in After Effects about 4 years ago, and I grew to like it, although, at the time, it was the only thing I'd used. As I did more work, though, I found myself taking longer to do things than I felt was really necessary. Tools were in an obvious place, but they still took a few clicks to do what should have been a one-click operation. I then moved onto Boris RED, which was very similar to After Effects in terms of how it worked, but I found everything was just so much more accessible.... Since then, I've started using Combustion and Digital Fusion, and haven't really looked back at all.....
My main issue with Premiere is the fact that you can't customise any of the shortcut keys (I haven't used it for a few years, so the later versions may be more flexible here) - There were so many things that I felt I could speed up if only I could assign them a shortcut, but no.... Ah well - currently using Avid here (love the dark UI, too ;)) and find the flexibility so refreshing...
However, this opinion doesn't hold for After Effects and Premiere..
I started compositing in After Effects about 4 years ago, and I grew to like it, although, at the time, it was the only thing I'd used. As I did more work, though, I found myself taking longer to do things than I felt was really necessary. Tools were in an obvious place, but they still took a few clicks to do what should have been a one-click operation. I then moved onto Boris RED, which was very similar to After Effects in terms of how it worked, but I found everything was just so much more accessible.... Since then, I've started using Combustion and Digital Fusion, and haven't really looked back at all.....
My main issue with Premiere is the fact that you can't customise any of the shortcut keys (I haven't used it for a few years, so the later versions may be more flexible here) - There were so many things that I felt I could speed up if only I could assign them a shortcut, but no.... Ah well - currently using Avid here (love the dark UI, too ;)) and find the flexibility so refreshing...
NUKE-CG
08-10-2003, 01:42 AM
I grabbed the free DVD Adobe were giving out at Siggraph, and it looks like a nice update, much better than 5 - 5.5 :p
The text tools are very cool indeed, and the merging of technologies (AFX, PS) is even more evident now, the painting tools especially.
The text tools are very cool indeed, and the merging of technologies (AFX, PS) is even more evident now, the painting tools especially.
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