First Head on Maya, need some help.

[gunslingerblack]

now im new to maya, but im not new to modelling and i would say ur first mistake is that you haven't joined the ear properly to the head, even if you have all those extra points you have to make them flow into the rest of the head,

have u tried using subdivision surfaces? they are so awesome, coming from lightwave over to maya im quite excited to get started on my first organic model in maya anyways you should try to flow the ear into the rest of your model, or you can always texture map and put hair over that part, it is going to be where the person's sideburns are anyways so it doesn't really matter that much for now

keep going

[Oglok]

Ok thank you.

I'll try to convert this into subdivision, to see the result.
For the ear i try to cut the model from the extra points but I still have this "bug".

[gunslingerblack]

try planning ahead so that the ear has the same divisions around as the surface your binding it to, also if you can try and limit the "discrepencies" to behind the ear so that way you can hide them .

[davidSingha]

Not bad for your first head medel. Can't wait to see the finish project. Keep up the good work.

cheers:beer:

[Oglok]

ok i'll make these little modifications.

Yes the ears will be hidden, but I watend to model them, only to see if i cqn do it ^^.

I think i'm almost done with the modelisation, so I'm wondering how making hair, i'm planing to use planes with opacity maps, but i think there are many others maners to do it with maya.

If you have an idea, i'll be glad to hear it.

Thank you for your comments.

[Oglok]

hop little update.

I've lowered the number of face on the chin, added the eyes to adjust the head for them.


Wire (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/wire.jpg)
Smooth (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/smooth.jpg)

[Jamaludin]

Heya Oglok ..

Just wanted to say that your on the right track with your nice looking head model there :wavey:

I am also for the first time trying to learn Maya, and if I may say compared 2 this 3D Studio Max seems like childsplay Maya has a steep learning curve but I hope to get there soon. Im very interested on seeing your progress on this one maybe we can help eachother out a bit ? Im making my first head model as well so let me know if u like to..

Greetsss.. Good luck :thumbsup:

[Oglok]

No problem to share our little knowledge.

I've finished my first year as a CG student, based on 3d studio max. Now i'm entering the second year with maya, but i heard that our teacher was useless, so i'm usig maya a lot this summer in order to have little basis.

Well I think i'll review the lips, the nose, then i'll start to texture this head.

Does somebody have a good tutorial for hair, with planes or with paint effects ?

Thank you

[ijinn]

try www.3dtotal.com for paintFX hair tutorial.

[andrewley]

This is a nice start for your first head in maya

I have a few suggestions but its hard without knowing what look you are trying to achieve and what reference you are using.

The forehead, nose and lips are making it look like a black female (am I right?)

If not then the nose might need turning up a little at the end and being a little more bulbus. The edges of the nostrils need some work and the top of the nose/forehead between the eyes needs to come back more.

Also the outer part of the upper lid also need fold over and eyebrow muscle should create a crease.

I hope I im being helpful and not just blabbing, but again great start :)

[Oglok]

@ijinn :
Thank you very much for this link.

@andrewley :
I haven't duplicated the other sde of the head, so I didn't see if the nose and the lips matched.

No she isn't a black female, but a japanese one, here are the references

Front (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/face.jpg)
Side (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/profil.jpg)


For this first head I don't have good reference image, and i really wanted to model Hikaru Utada.

I'm going back to match the reference a little better.

Well i don't have a lot of time but i'll soon update this thread.

Thank you

[Oglok]

well i've spent some time on the tutorial you gave me.

It's very powerful, and faster than i thought.

It took only 30sec to render this image.

Hair (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/hair_test.jpg)

I'm looking for something to get rid of this damn aliasing on the strands.

I'm also looking for some help in order to improve this hair, not the shape, it's easy to move the CVs, but the material, in order to make them more realistic.

[Oglok]

well here is the result of another hour of tweaking.

Hair Test n°2 (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/hair_test2.jpg)


If you are intersted in the settings I used for this image, I'll put them here on request.

[Oglok]

little update

I've worked on the eyes, the chin, the nose, and lowered a bit the number of faces.

Wire (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/wire2.jpg)
Smooth (http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/smooth2.jpg)

I've some problems to make it look a bit more a woman, I think I've some problems with the eyes.

[Oglok]

Another image.

The full head

http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/smooth3.jpg

[Oglok]

little update

http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/smooth4.jpg
http://berserk016.free.fr/3d/wire4.jpg

[wgreenlee1]

The only thing I see right off is the ears look too thin.
Other than that looks real good.

[Oglok]

hi

it's been a long time since i update my post, so here is my last version of the head.
The head texture is not finished and I need to make the eyelashes.
If you can't see the image, you may have to copy and past this link in your browser :
http://anime-no-tengoku.chez.tiscali.fr/perso.jpg
http://anime-no-tengoku.chez.tiscali.fr/perso.jpg

[gunslingerblack]

holy moly this is an old thread, i remeber back when i actually liked subdiv's in maya before i found out how crappy they are. lol now i use nurbs and polys. nice model tho it's turning out rather well. i would like to know what technique you used on the hair as i have terrible problems with actually doing hair myself. thanks

[Backlund]

Looking good... any chance we'll se a facial animation?

Keep it up :thumbsup:

[Oglok]

yes this thread is one year old.

i've worked on this head during summer 2003, then CG school so i had a short film to create. I've took this head out of it's dusty place to continue it some time ago.

For the hair i've tried maya hair, but the hair shadows are crappy, and although i used the oversampling for PFX, there is always aliasing on hair. So i tested shave and haircut, which is simplier and with powerful rendering. Maybe when i find a really good job i might buy it ^^.

Styling the hair with maya hair is really a pain, you must use the curves provided by the hair you created, you cannont use the curves you created, like in shave and haircut and the old way of doing hair with PFX.

I may animate this head, but i'll do it later. I've a lot of work on modeling and texturing.

Thanks

[Oglok]

Well after quite some time, i'm back on this head ^^
New nose, new eyelids, new mouth, lot of little changes.
Time to start the hairs and little details.

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/nez_apres.jpg)

[Oglok]

little update

eyelashes done.
C&C are welcome.

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/new_head.jpg)

[Oglok]

little free time today

eyebrows done

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_03.jpg)

[ReMen]

She needs eyelashes on the bottom eyelids...the rest is very nice

[Oglok]

another daily update

made the head a bit shorter

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_04)

for the bottom eyelash, i made them, but they are barely visible, as in my reference

>>Reference<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/eyelashes.jpg)

Thank you for the C&C

[Oglok]

little changes again
made lower eyelashes a bit bigger
re-modeled the eyes

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_05.jpg

[Cleveland]

looking better. try to concentrate on the eyes. they look like the most inhuman right now. think of the eyelids as being part of a sphere that can cover they eyes. they're oriented so that the top lid is generally closer to the center of the eye than the lower lid, and thus it sticks out more. think of whwn you close your eyes how the upper lid moves down to the lower and not vice versa. other than that it looks pretty good.

cleveland.

[gunslingerblack]

the eyes look too far apart, remember the rule there is an eyes distance between the two eyes (give or take) im pretty sure the measurement was the head is approximately five eyes wide but i could be mistaken, anyways like i said the eyes look too far apart. keep up the good work tho!

[Oglok]

little update before deleting the eyes and making new ones

moved the mouth and nose

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_06.jpg)

[Oglok]

fast test for hairs, done in painter+photoshop

i'm tired of seeing her face without hairs :)

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_07.jpg)

[Oglok]

another update

For the eyes, i don't think i'll change them, i like them, that's my goal :).
I still need to make the hair.

I worked on the eyes reflection, lust put an hdri map on a sphere ^^
Put an ambient occlusion map with low opacity (around 25%), to give more volume, especially to the eyes.
The shadows are grainy because it's still a fast test render.

I need to finished this image quickly, i'm getting bored of working on it.

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_08.jpg)

[Oglok]

update

starting to work on the textures.
modified the eyes textures
started the lips, still need bump map

>>Here<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_09.jpg)

[Oglok]

don't want to sleep :)

I found the nose too long again, so i shorten the head a bit

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_10.jpg

[Oglok]

another update

I hope her eyes aren't Frog like anymore :)

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_11.jpg

[ReMen]

This one is becoming quite nice.
I'm glad you DID make some eyelashes on the bottom eyelid.
I'm not really an expert on headmodelling, just started my own first human head, so I can't really see anything else that needs to be changed. Does she have ears?:)

[Oglok]

thank you :)

yes the head is complete, she has all the needed parts.

>>Complete head wire<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_11_wire.jpg)

[Oglok]

added little bump on the lips, lowered the eyes reflections

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_12.jpg

[Oglok]

I moved her eyes again.

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_13.jpg

[Oglok]

modified the neck
added shoulders

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_14.jpg

[Oglok]

here are some screenshots of the chest

>>Chest+lambert<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/buste.jpg)

>>Chest+wire<< (http://wazzdaga.free.fr/buste_wire.jpg)

[Oglok]

Finally it's finished.
I had to put an end to this, now i can concentrate on a new project.
I'd like to thank all people who helped me in this thread.

http://wazzdaga.free.fr/tete_16.jpg

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