Is There Any Cinema 4D R8 VTMS in the World?

[LucentDreams]

are you refering specifically to 3D buzz? Or just any video tutorials? There are a few, not a lot, it takes time to produce and generaly I find C4d users are all about quality and the few who do them are trying to make the best vtms possible. After Iget the firt one done on rigging If i see enough profit that Icould drop one of my jobs, then I'd probably work on a lot more. As it is I'm developing the first one waaaaaaay slower then I ever planned because I'm working all day and night.

[AdamT]

I've heard Buzz was pondering doing a Cinema vtm or two, but I don't know if anything ever came of it.

[LucentDreams]

yeah that was quite a while ago, but doesn't look like anythings going to turn up.

[greekdish]

Originally posted by Scott M C4D
Kinda annoys me how othe big packages get more attention.
Even truspace 3 se has a VTM

Thats because they are all much harder to use than Cinema!!! :beer:

j/k non cinema users.....just trying to cheer the fella up. :wavey:

[JIII]

hmm yeah that said it is easier.

However those gnoman DVD's do make me kinda jealous I mean how many do they have like 50??

If we had a liberary that big of DVD's gettin into C4D would be much easier.

On a further note does anyone have those organic modeling gnoman DVD's?
Would they be applicable to C4D?

[sinai_1]

I've questioned the rational behind not having one (not one up to date by Maxon)made. Like JIII said "If we had a liberary that big of DVD's gettin into C4D would be much easier that is the thing.

Apart from Gnomon Dvd's Alias (Aliaswavefront) make,sell and am sure are making profits on their training products.Why not Maxon?

[brammelo]

Maxon users are a different crowd. I am not talking about us here on the forum, but about "Joe Average" who has C4D as an add-on to his pipeline. C4D can be used without too much training, so there's often no need for extra training material.

Not so with Maya: if you don't get some decent training, you're lost. Hence the Gnomon line-up. So even though Maxon, in terms of users, has a bigger market share, I think that there is a smaller market for those things.

And also very important: let's not forget that Maxon is a pretty small company, and that C4D is available in 6 languages, which would mean you would have to translate trainingmaterial into those languages as well.

I'm all pro, but I think we need a couple of extra users before we can have the same training material volume as Maya, Max or LW.

Cheers,
BaRa

[squidinc]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
are you refering specifically to 3D buzz? Or just any video tutorials? There are a few, not a lot, it takes time to produce and generaly I find C4d users are all about quality and the few who do them are trying to make the best vtms possible. After Iget the firt one done on rigging If i see enough profit that Icould drop one of my jobs, then I'd probably work on a lot more. As it is I'm developing the first one waaaaaaay slower then I ever planned because I'm working all day and night.

I'm looking forward to seeing the rigging one finished, that's something that is still beyond me, no rush though :p

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by sinai_1
I've questioned the rational behind not having one (not one up to date by Maxon)made. Like JIII said " that is the thing.

Apart from Gnomon Dvd's Alias (Aliaswavefront) make,sell and am sure are making profits on their training products.Why not Maxon?

First of all I think you guys should buy BP2 and check out what comes with it for learning.

Second ALias doesn't make its own CD's thats a misconception, alias sells a series of maya techniquie CD's but ask any one who made one, alias has little to no involvement in their develooment, they are simply distributors, Jason's dvd's are simply actuall course he held at conventions that were filmed and all his papers and files inlcluded.

So its still up to us to make them, the if maxon was interested they could distribute, but I think my wy makes it easier on everyone then going through maxon.

[hawkbug]

There may have been a time when learning Cinema 4D was easy but with all the new goodies available those days are long gones. For a new user the Studio, or even the XL Bundle has a learning curve thats straight up.

Then there are the issues of mastery beyond mear proficiency, not to mention work arounds to some of the more esoteric aspects of Cinema 4D NURBS; dare I say n-gons.

All told there is a huge need for VTM's across the entire spectrum of Cinema 4D users from beginner to advanced.

The first company to come out with a really good beginner to advanced series of VTM's covering modeling, matterials, lighting, animation, and rendering stands to make a great deal of money. And I will be their first customer!

[danb]

yeah i gotta admit cinema is very difficult in some areas. and i do think that vtm's are an excellent idea. i struggle mostly in just the character animation aspects of cinema. it can get very confusing. i think a lot of the steep learning curve has a lot to do with the fact that cinema's workflow is unlike alot of other apps. i hope someone makes them someday.

[LucentDreams]

most VTM's don't go to advance. I mean if you looka t the maya technique and 3D buzz vtm's it would get to the equivalent of adding user data and such, which is still hardly touching on the more advanced features of Cinema.

Hawkbug, what do you mean workarounds for nurbs IE ngons? Ngons are hardly a workaround or anything like that they simply make life a little easier and often a little lazier. But I don't get the relationship with nurbs personally or did you mean them as seperate examples and I"m just too tired to read?

[hawkbug]

VTM's offered by Gnomon for Maya or SplineGod for Lightwave are very comprehensive and run the full range from beginner to advanced. For the visual learner VTM's can be a great help.

Ngons can come in handy particularly when working with complex shapes created in Illustrator. Yes, you can drop the shape into an extrude NURBS object, but if you need to really work the geometry beyond simple caps and rounding your workload increases dramatically. Unless of course you have a better way of handling that Kaiskai.

[sinai_1]

Kai, you see, i got the Dvd one made for CGArtist de through Maxon here(i've no regrets;when yours comes out am buying), Maxon office here made some money distributing the Dvd , so contracting out the tutorial or doing it themselves makes no difference.(there's money to be made and knowledge to be gained)Its a win win situation.

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by hawkbug
VTM's offered by Gnomon for Maya or SplineGod for Lightwave are very comprehensive and run the full range from beginner to advanced. For the visual learner VTM's can be a great help.

Ngons can come in handy particularly when working with complex shapes created in Illustrator. Yes, you can drop the shape into an extrude NURBS object, but if you need to really work the geometry beyond simple caps and rounding your workload increases dramatically. Unless of course you have a better way of handling that Kaiskai.

use solid splines pro its makes super clean caps consisting of quads. which are great to deal with, where as although ngons would be easy to continue working with, if your going to animate any deformations of that object your going to run into problems, the way to get around that is to clean up the ngons. Said it numerous times before, I'd love to have ngons for sure, but I still feel there are numerous things of bigger priority overall since nogns is not a feature that allows for something that can't be done otherwise. Ngons can make life a little easier but they are not a perfect solution and they often lead to laziness in modeling.

[AdamT]

How do you use Solid Splines Pro to generate clean caps? As far as I can tell it only tesselates at render time.

[Scott M C4D]

Do you have to buy that Solid Spline plugin or is it free ?

Looks like we are in the same boat for VTMs then.
Maybe we should all bug Maxon about some.

[AdamT]

Originally posted by Scott M C4D
Do you have to buy that Solid Spline plugin or is it free ?

Looks like we are in the same boat for VTMs then.
Maybe we should all bug Maxon about some.
It looks like they've gotten the message, based upon the video tuts shipping with BP2. :applause:

[MJV]

Another reason I think you won't see many VTM's coming out soon for Cinema is because the software development pace is so fast that by the time someone can finish a VTM, it's outdated. Same issue with books. Perhaps when it becomes really easy for everyone to author and burn DVD's this will change, but it's still not that simple a process.

[Scott M C4D]

You just need a piece of software to record your software,and sound.
If buzz can do it. Anyone can....

[sinai_1]

Actual process of authoring a Dvd(if thats the medium to be used for the Video tutorial) is the least difficult,...making the tutorial(Assests) thats you're going to use in authoring takes most of the time.I believe the same goes for the VTM's on cds.

and if someone comes up with a tutorial for C4D 8.0, its not as if someone will not be able to carry over knowledge gained to the next point realese or more.

[LucentDreams]

Very naive in your thinking their scott, you need to consider cost of software to produce (which is cheap actually) recording clear and concise, I mean lets be honest 3dbuzz is great but their videos are a waste of harddrive space and time quite often, I mean one of the vids I've watched they talk for two minutes about someone falling out of their chair, reason its not a big issue is because they are free, but if someone had to pay for that type of video that would not be acceptable.

Second their are issues of producing the materials, in otherwords burning cd's or DVD's, the papers for the jewel case etc. then taking orders and distributing.

I've found a great service to take care of the grunt of the work, but I also need to find the time to finish them all.

Part of the reason buzz can do it is because he is a teacher running his own programs, he does these over and over all the time so [producing them into unedited videos on the web isn't a lot of work.

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