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SheepFactory
01-14-2002, 07:47 PM
Hi guys ,

did anybody get to play with the new combustion? , what are your impressions ? is it worth the upgrade?

thanks in advance

A|i

Chris
01-14-2002, 07:54 PM
Well worth it for the particles, rotoscoping & text tools alone I'd say. The Schematic view (ie node based) is good too. Having the option of running in fast 2d mode is yet another bonus. Discreet was running (I dont know if its still available) some pretty nice upgrade offers too...

machinedelmorte
01-16-2002, 01:29 AM
Haven't gotten a chance to get a hold of it yet. I will try soon.

Nando
01-16-2002, 04:19 PM
Yes it is Worth it, Illusion's particle system is built in. Items in the scene can be tracked and particle emitters added to them. Operators can also be added to the particles for example those within the Distort list. 3rd party plugins can also be added to the particles. You can work in 8,10,12, 16 bit and Float and mix and match bit depth. you now have a LUT (look up table) to work with Film. The Text generator is Now what it should have been since version 1x all re-adjustable, yes it is possible to change the font and type without re-doing it over again its on the fly very quick and nice. IT renders alot faster in 2D space becuase it is now possible to choose which render method to use 2D or 3D, version 1x of Combustion rendered in 3D space so 2D renders just chugged. The grain tool is awesome it is possible to match grain from other sources to a working composition, this tool will be indespesable for comping 3D CG with Live action footage. The Grain tool also removes grain, which is great for restorations of older films ,clean up work from bad film stock or, for transfers to HD/DVD Footage.
Now is a great time to upgrade becuase the Upgrade price will Jump form $795 US to $1495 US or Full seats from $3495 to $4995
Woops almost forgot about te schematic view press F12 and walla, work in node based view
:D

Nando

Bluemilk
02-02-2002, 08:36 PM
Just passing through
"Combustion Insider Info
If you work in any production house and are considering upgrading or purchasing combustion 2, you may wanna think again.

In order to meet financials for this quarter, discreet is kicking combustion 2 out the door.

The price is going to be raised to $5000 feb 1st. The upgrade price of $795 is also going to be hiked May 1st to $1495.

Here is what they are not telling you.

combustion 2 is shipping with 800+ bugs that were not addressed. (these are bugs ranging from annoying little workflow problems to full on crashers.) They were "closed" and are going to be fixed in the maintenance release.

Problem is there is no more development team. they were all let go. That means that the team of 3 that they do eventualy hire will first need to learn the code before they can even think about addressing the bugs.

my gut feeling is there will be one emergency patch (some developers will be around for a couple more months) to fix a couple of blatent and easy crashes between release and May and then that will be it.

discreet says that combustion 2 is not being killed yet all of the documentation team has been let go. The Product manager has been let go, the Product Specialist has been let go and the development team (which was thin to begin with has been reduced from 7 or 8 people to 3.

Bottom Line: I would not use it in a production environment. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. In fact, discreet may very well be on it's last leg but that's a different story that involves 1 basket and a whole bunch of eggs..."

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Message edited by Jean-Eric Hénault

The information above is partially correct. According to official sources, the team behind combustion 2 were offered to relocate to discreet's HQ in Montreal, where the high-end systems like the Inferno and Flames are developped. I believe it can only make sense since these products are bound to share more and more technologies. Some people decided to leave discreet rather than relocate. discreet is very commited to the future development of combustion. Some angry people posted some nasty messages like this one all over the web.

JE (in case you ask, no, I don't work for discreet) :)

phatgroovn
02-03-2002, 04:36 AM
Do you work for Adobe?

machinedelmorte
02-03-2002, 06:09 AM
I didn't know that there were so many problems. I guess I will wait and see

rendermonkey23
02-03-2002, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by phatgroovn
Do you work for Adobe?

HAHAHA HA HA HA :) LMAO. No joke

Lizard Head
02-04-2002, 02:00 PM
I think those that were let go were due to the fact that the Cali office is being closed and all OP's are moving to Toronto, the only product that is being discontinued is Edit.

Bluemilk
02-04-2002, 03:34 PM
Its just what i heard,.:)

Raven
02-05-2002, 11:20 AM
i've been using combustion 2 to composite my work and have yet to experience any problems. its a great package. better memory management than AE. in my opinion.

particle system rocks. bit depth range. nice color correction tools. and of course the text treatment is better than its predecessor. its a joy to work with. not one single bug that i've noticed.

i've been compositing in D1 res most of the time and yet to experience any problems. i plan on buying a version for the MAC OS version as well.

bluemilk. what u posted are based on rumors. why dont u experience it for yourself before posting nonsense.

Bluemilk
02-05-2002, 02:05 PM
Well if if it is "nonsense" than sorry, it comes from me hating discreet and 3d studio max, I am forced to use it everyday.

Raven
02-05-2002, 10:01 PM
well i agree w/you that not all discreet's product are worth using.

r4 isnt a bad 3d app. but i'd still stick w/maya. they wouldnt be where they are today if it wasnt for those third party plugins. and their nurbs tools arent even usable in my opinion. its awkward.

convince whomever you're working for to migrate to maya. well, worth it (i did it a year ago) :)


as for compositing, AE and Combustion suites me fine. not all of us can afford Inferno's and Flame systems.

and last but not least, i would definitely like to tell everyone who is reading this and who does a lot of editing that Final Cut Pro 3 KICKS ASS. dont take my word for it. check it out yourself.

Nando
02-05-2002, 10:39 PM
Yep FCP 3.0 On a Digital Voodoo 64 AV and Combustion 2 is a perfectly well rounded system for D1 :D

phatgroovn
02-05-2002, 10:43 PM
Man i wish discreet would send me c2 already!

phatgroovn
02-06-2002, 02:56 AM
I vote for Sheep Factory for having the best icon. lol

adam3d
02-06-2002, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Bluemilk
Well if if it is "nonsense" than sorry, it comes from me hating discreet and 3d studio max, I am forced to use it everyday.

Are you an artist or a button pusher? Here's some advise:

- Use the tools you have to creat your art. Don't let the tool use you.
-Creative problem solving is part of your job.
-Learn as many tools as you can, knowledge is key, and sharing what you know will get you far in this industry.
-Make a difference, don't just complain or just get a different job!
-finally ALL software sucks, nothing is perfect, so pick your "drug" and do something cool.

Bluemilk
02-06-2002, 08:55 PM
Hey dont get me wrong. you can do some excellent stuff in max and all programs have their bugs, I use max to make product visualisations, it wasnt my first choice for software, and i guess thats my real problem. Still the max seems to frequently corrupt files, and the way it spreads to other files like 01,02,03 etc pisses me off.
I wanted to use lightwave by the way, more features better price in my opinion.
Discreet still suck.

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