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Als
06-15-2009, 04:03 PM
CINEMA 4D and BodyPaint 3D Now Half-Price in Limited Time Sidegrade Offer

Through July 31, 2009, owners of a qualifying 3D application can save 50% on the suggested retail price of MAXON's modeling, animation, texturing and rendering solutions.

MAXON Computer, a leading developer of professional 3D modeling, painting, animation and rendering solutions, today announced that CINEMA 4D and BodyPaint 3D are now available at special prices to 3D artists wanting to enhance their current 3D arsenal.

CINEMA 4D is known as the easiest to use professional 3D software and is utilized by artists in many industries, from architecture and design to broadcast graphics and movie special effects. CINEMA 4D's flexible modular system allows customers to tailor the application to their needs, and its unprecedented stability makes CINEMA 4D a premier choice for all 3D artists.

The advanced 3D texturing toolset of BodyPaint 3D lets artists create advanced object surfaces hassle-free. BodyPaint 3D has been used in countless blockbuster movies for over a decade and provides immediate feedback, offers comprehensive UV tools and full 32-bit image editing features. BodyPaint 3D even connects directly to your primary 3D application of choice.

All these cutting-edge tools are now available at a 50% discount for owners of a qualifying 3D application (see list below). As an added bonus, customers have the option of subscribing to an upgrade protection plan at a discount of up to 50% on the first year's subscription.


http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=205&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1567&cHash=80bcda047b
(http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=205&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1567&cHash=80bcda047b)


Als

ctguitars
06-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Talkin about going around in circles ..

Click on that link, then the link in the article goes to:

http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=1145

Click the ORDER NOW Link:

http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=1073

You end up at a map to pick a country store. Say pick the USA Store:

http://www.maxonshop.com/us/

Now you end up with the full product prices and no mention of the sidegrade or what one does OR the price. Same with UK store. I just love the way how assumption is all over the net - Why dont site owners road test the proceedures first before releasing info on it?

BUT maybe I have missed something in which case I am a dummy :)

Aidan

TonyEdwards
06-15-2009, 06:31 PM
There is a link under the Buy This Product box that says "Save money if you already own a similar 3D package".

I agree that it probably isn't as prominent as it could be given the promotion though.

ctguitars
06-15-2009, 06:39 PM
Yip,

Says that in plain black text over right at the US Shop, but not at the UK or German shops.

Its like someone screaming "HEEEYYYY COME INSIDE!"

But then when you attempt same, the answer to Come Inside WHERE is unavailable .. excellent marketing :)

At the US store:

http://www.maxonshop.com/us/ps/code=C4D-N-11&act=gpage

You have - over right "Save money if you already own a similar 3D package". Click that, you get this page:

http://www.maxonshop.com/us/gp/products.cinema4d.odyssey

This must be an older offer though, the Qualifying product list is different from the one on the new page above. AND the price IS NOT 50% less - its $495.00 + VAT.

Of course this offer is a steal - IN THIS LIST of qualifying Products - for owners of TRUESPACE, now FREE FOR ALL. Definitely for past owners with an old serial number.

Aidan

cresshead
06-15-2009, 06:47 PM
edited cos i found it.....

nevermind...dug it out..

http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/ps/code=290600&act=gpage

still not exactly 'promoted' as 50% off anywhere on the uk site...

ctguitars
06-15-2009, 06:53 PM
I would also put a bet that the prices for the US, the UK and the German Store which is in Euro will be all different EX VAT / SALES TAX.

The prices are less tax as is, so bare that in mind!

Another small gripe - Here in Europe you cannot shop in the US shop. Here in Ireland you have to shop in the UK and IRELAND Store. Strange one that - the last time I looked at the change in my pocket it was EURO not STERLING. Im just surprised the german store is not seen as the main EURO Store for us in the Eurozone!

Actually it seems you can only shop at the German Shop if from Germany or Austria!

Never fails to amaze me how some companies do business when they miss the basics!

Aidan

cresshead
06-15-2009, 06:58 PM
I would also put a bet that the prices for the US, the UK and the German Store which is in Euro will be all different EX VAT / SALES TAX.

The prices are less tax as is, so bare that in mind!

Another small gripe - Here in Europe you cannot shop in the US shop. Here in Ireland you have to shop in the UK and IRELAND Store. Strange one that - the last time I looked at the change in my pocket it was EURO not STERLING. Im just surprised the german store is not seen as the main EURO Store for us in the Eurozone!

Actually it seems you can only shop at the German Shop if from Germany or Austria!

Never fails to amaze me how some companies do business when they miss the basics!

Aidan

well on the u.k. store they ARE using 15% vat not the european's 19% vat

ctguitars
06-15-2009, 07:04 PM
Hi Cresshead,

No worrys, its only a little foible of mine. A US, UK and a EUROZONE store for any shop online should be the minimum IF one is selling via different currencies and restricting access to one store or another.

However I can buy stuff EX VAT via my company ..

Your "hidden" link found here on the left -
http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/gp/products.software.main

Just my two cents,
Aidan

ctguitars
06-15-2009, 07:15 PM
Actually no mention of BLENDER in the qualifying Products ... Thats just not fair ;)

Aidan

cresshead
06-15-2009, 07:17 PM
also be aware that i'd expect maxon to deliver a new version of cinema4d at or shortly after siggraph 2009, they maybe just getting shot of old stock boxes and manuals for cinema11 ready for cinema 12 in 8 weeks or so in which case if i was going to buy i'd opt in to the 50% discount scheme or maybe wait till 12 is shown to see what's new and get 11 and free update to 12 once 12 is announced.

it's priced okay but remember you'll need to also buy the advanced renderer plugin also for phototoreal renders as the built in one in core is 'basic' i believe and can't offer radiosity. gi etc.

ccross
06-15-2009, 08:08 PM
There will be a version 11.5 that we have to pay for before version 12 comes out. Luckily their .5 versions are usually pretty substantial.

TonyEdwards
06-15-2009, 08:50 PM
You have - over right "Save money if you already own a similar 3D package". Click that, you get this page:

http://www.maxonshop.com/us/gp/products.cinema4d.odyssey

This must be an older offer though, the Qualifying product list is different from the one on the new page above. AND the price IS NOT 50% less - its $495.00 + VAT.


You're right. It was about half of $995 so I just went with it. I guess I would save a few dollars with that offer.

R10k
06-16-2009, 03:53 AM
Hehe... Truespace is a sidegrade option :)

Teyon
06-16-2009, 09:19 AM
Weird, I don't see any such offers for BodyPaint in the US store - am I missing it? It's supposed to be 50% also.

R10k
06-16-2009, 09:47 AM
Just go to Maxon.net. There's a big banner advertising it.

Two things I'd like to know- can anyone (Australians as an example) buy from the US store? Also, is Bodypaint included with C4D these days? I recall it was a while back...

ThirdEye
06-16-2009, 10:22 AM
Weird, I don't see any such offers for BodyPaint in the US store - am I missing it? It's supposed to be 50% also.

C4D core version and BP3D are the very same thing. In other words BP3D is included in every single C4D installation since r10.

jorust
06-16-2009, 10:32 AM
Two things I'd like to know- can anyone (Australians as an example) buy from the US store? Also, is Bodypaint included with C4D these days? I recall it was a while back...

1 - No. I don´t think so. Contact your local reseller and get friends with them :beer: :deal:
2 - Yes. Bodypaint is a part of C4D core. (Don´t like that ´core´ name any longer...)
Edit: Me slow - ThirdEye fast

Core is packed with goodies. You don´t need all the plugins to find use in C4D.

Regarding render:
If you have Maxwell installed on you computer somewhere, download the C4D plugin, and enjoy a great combo.
Tons of renders have a C4D connection.

INFINITE
06-16-2009, 11:07 AM
Errr.. what?

What if I dont want to have to use Cinema 4D and just want to use the painting tools in Bodypaint 3D?

This is all I could find as a UK customer.

http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/ps/code=280800&act=gpage/100/429-1245146510-4054//

BodyPaint 3D R4 - Full Licence Windows/Mac OS X
£ 649.00 £ 746.35 (ex VAT inc VAT)

Mmmmm bargain! :shrug:

Srek
06-16-2009, 11:36 AM
Errr.. what?

What if I dont want to have to use Cinema 4D and just want to use the painting tools in Bodypaint 3D?
BodyPaint 3D and CINEMA 4D are two faces of the same medal. With one Layout you have BodyPaint 3D with another you have CINEMA 4D. The functionality of both is identical since both are in fact the same binaries, the difference is only in wich layout it starts up by default.
If you don't want to do anything with CINEMA 4D, just stay with the BodyPaint layout.

Cheers
Björn

Ordibble-Plop
06-16-2009, 11:37 AM
This is the sidegrade offer (http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/ps/code=290605&act=gpage) - £ 324.50/£ 373.17

INFINITE
06-16-2009, 12:50 PM
This is the sidegrade offer (http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/ps/code=290605&act=gpage) - £ 324.50/£ 373.17

Great thanks. How did you find that link exactly?

*EDIT*
I found the link, it wasnt very obvious though. http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/gp/products.software.main/100/429-1245152867-373// (http://www.maxonshop.com/uk/gp/products.software.main/100/429-1245152867-373//%20)

If you don't want to do anything with CINEMA 4D, just stay with the BodyPaint layout.

Thanks for the info I didnt realise that.

Cheers

Lee

R10k
06-16-2009, 01:49 PM
1 - No. I don´t think so. Contact your local reseller and get friends with them

Heh, well... somehow I doubt I could get a similar deal in Aus as I could from the US shop. Australian pricing is typically much higher from resellers by comparison. I'd need to become really good friends :D

cresshead
06-16-2009, 01:58 PM
Q on cinema4d core renderer, does it have any ability to render with Gi, ambient occlusion, radiosity, volumetrics etc?

or is it just a basic bare bones raytracer?

Cometsoft
06-16-2009, 02:09 PM
Maybe they've reduced the price because they've got inside info on the upcoming ZBrush 4 and its potential impact on the sales of Bodypaint? Or maybe Modo 401 which is supposed to have improved painting tools.

A lot of stuff coming out, being discounted and not a lot of money around. It's tempting but I'll at least wait and see ZB4 and Modo 4 look like first. :hmm:

Srek
06-16-2009, 02:40 PM
Q on cinema4d core renderer, does it have any ability to render with Gi, ambient occlusion, radiosity, volumetrics etc?
These features come with the Advanced Render Module and are not included in the core application.
Cheers
Björn

R10k
06-16-2009, 04:26 PM
Maybe they've reduced the price because they've got inside info on the upcoming ZBrush 4 and its potential impact on the sales of Bodypaint? Or maybe Modo 401 which is supposed to have improved painting tools.

Or the family favourite 3D Coat, which pretty much had me forgetting about buying Bodypaint.

These features come with the Advanced Render Module and are not included in the core application.

Hmm. That's a bit lame.

Srek
06-16-2009, 07:22 PM
Hmm. That's a bit lame.
I think it's less lame than charging everyone for features they don't need.
The idea behind the modular concept is to allow every user to pick what he realy needs and only pay for that. It would be much easier, from an organisational and development pov, to just put everything into one package instead of splitting it, but since the introduction of the modular concept with R8 we got by far more positve feedback on this than negative.

Cheers
Björn

cresshead
06-16-2009, 08:29 PM
so for cinema basic is £373inc vat + the renderer £458 inc vat for a total of £831 inc vat
this is with the 50% discount that ends in july.

studio bundle is £3,276 inc vat

CINEMA 4D R11 Architecture Edition - Full Licence£ 1,631.85

modules
HAIR - Full Licence £ 355.35
Advanced Render 3 - Full Licence £ 458.85
Dynamics - Full Licence£ 355.35
MOCCA 3.1 - Full Licence £ 458.85
MoGraph - Full Licence£ 355.35
Net Render - Full Licence £ 355.35
Sketch & Toon - Full Licence £ 458.85 http://www.maxonshop.com/im/misc/1tr.gif
Thinking Particles - Full Licence £ 355.35

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other bundles
CINEMA 4D XL Bundle >>£ 1,861.85 [full]
side grade price £ 930.93
The CINEMA 4D XL Bundle includes advanced tools for professional users, including character animation functions and advanced rendering and particle features. The XL Bundle launches your 3D projects to the next level of realism and opens a wealth of new possibilities. If your 3D projects advance beyond hobby or casual use you should take a good look at the CINEMA 4D XL Bundle.

The CINEMA 4D XL Bundle contains the following modules:








Advanced Render (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=61)
MOCCA (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=63)
Thinking Particles (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=65)
NET Render (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=67)





(3 clients license)
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CINEMA 4D Studio Bundle >> £ 3,276.35
sidegrade price>> £ 1,638.18
Equip your production environment with the CINEMA 4D Studio Bundle and take advantage of all the power CINEMA 4D has to offer. Your advanced 3D projects will come alive with the addition of hair and fur tools, dynamic simulations and non-photorealistic rendering. The CINEMA 4D Studio Bundle lets you unleash your creativity and enjoy 3D without limits.

The CINEMA 4D Studio Bundle contains the following modules:




Advanced Render (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=61)
MOCCA (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=63)
MoGraph (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=62)
Thinking Particles (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=65)
HAIR (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=64)
Dynamics (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=66)
Sketch and Toon (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=68)
NET Rend (http://www.maxon.net/index.php?id=67)



(unlimited clients license)
the thing that always stopped me from looking at cinema 4d was the upkeep of it...
a 0.5 update from 10.5 to 11.0 is £850 which is similar to 2 years subs for 3dsmax in which you get 2 full releases, that's just bonkers in my opinion.

updating a single module say like the renderer is £217
and updating the core app from 10.5 to 11.0 is £275

it's just SO expensive when you compare it to 3dsmax subscription scheme as an example which is £430 per year but you get a full update every 12 months and this year the threw in for ZERO cost softimage character animation toolkit [C.A.T] which sold for $999.


also looking at lightwave and modo their point updates are ususally FREE
and their updates are at a flat rate.


to be honest i'd only look at cinema4d if they changed their pricing policy to say include the advanced renderer in the core app and made .5 updates a nominal fee not a whole limb!
also made module updates waay cheaper than they are now and at least support an older module working in an updated core for free.


currently this 50% offer to me feels like the 'free first drink' in a bar then the rest of the drinks cost $20 a glass if you see what i mean


with the ecconomic climate i'd guess many companies will look at their pricing in due course...i'll keep an eye on maxon and see if they move to a subs model in the near future.

Veehoy
06-16-2009, 10:41 PM
to be honest i'd only look at cinema4d if they changed their pricing policy to say include the advanced renderer in the core app and made .5 updates a nominal fee not a whole limb!
also made module updates waay cheaper than they are now and at least support an older module working in an updated core for free.

Quoted for agreement :thumbsup:

R10k
06-17-2009, 03:31 AM
It would be much easier, from an organisational and development pov, to just put everything into one package instead of splitting it, but since the introduction of the modular concept with R8 we got by far more positve feedback on this than negative.

Although I agree with a lot of what cresshead just said, I can see why you've done what you have, which is fair enough. That said, a lot of the options that have been left out of the core renderer for inclusion in advanced render really aren't... well, advanced. A lot of those options were included in Truespace's old Lightworks renderer, and can be easily found in pretty much every renderer attached to Blender. No volumetrics or GI? I realise C4D's renderer is supposed to be pretty quick, but right now it sounds a lot like rendering in Bryce.

Anyhow, getting back to Cresshead's comments, I completely agree with the 'free first drink' analogy.

scottsch
06-17-2009, 03:42 AM
Bodypaint is very underrated. It can take horrible meshes from CAD and paint on them like no tomorrow, it kills Mudbox in this regard. Their polygon modeling tools are also nice (you can model and do basic rendering in bodypaint). Export tools work well. Definitely worth the $500, imo... I paid $1000 earlier this year and it's one of the few applications that I think is worth the price.

FRimasson
06-17-2009, 06:46 AM
Bodypaint is very underrated. It can take horrible meshes from CAD and paint on them like no tomorrow, it kills Mudbox in this regard. Their polygon modeling tools are also nice (you can model and do basic rendering in bodypaint). Export tools work well. Definitely worth the $500, imo... I paid $1000 earlier this year and it's one of the few applications that I think is worth the price.

I can't agree more.
I've got a Quadro Fx 1500 and 4 go
Unlike Mudbox or 3d coat, Bodypaint dosen't rely on the video card ram to store maps, and i can paint on multile 8k and 4 k maps at the same time,. It also (almost) fully support PSD files and brushes.
It's very useful when you work in the film industry.
worth the price.

R10k
06-17-2009, 11:12 AM
I believe there's no simple way to do symmetrical painting in Bodypaint at the moment, though. Can anyone comment on how true that is?

FRimasson
06-17-2009, 01:34 PM
I believe there's no simple way to do symmetrical painting in Bodypaint at the moment, though. Can anyone comment on how true that is?

There's no simple symetrical painting.
You'll have to use symetrical Uvs (Silo do the job very well)
or in projection mode, do a copy, mirror and paste of the viewport....

R10k
06-17-2009, 03:04 PM
I would hope I never have to rely on symetrical UVs, personally. I guess a projection copy/paste is a workable solution, but... you'd think at version 4 that'd be included by now (or at least, I would have thought so).

ThirdEye
06-22-2009, 03:31 PM
to be honest i'd only look at cinema4d if they changed their pricing policy to say include the advanced renderer in the core app and made .5 updates a nominal fee not a whole limb!

Maxon x,5 updates usually have more features than any AD major release, that's why Maxon charges so much for them. Just forget they're a x,5 and think about them as majors. For example this is the new features list for R10,5, i'd say it's quite a rich one: http://www.c4dcafe.com/reviews/r105/images/105Whatsnew.pdf

R10k
06-23-2009, 05:04 AM
Just a bit of feedback for the Maxon guys- I gave the trial a whirl, and noticed there weren't any docs. So, I headed to the website and downloaded them, and followed the instructions on how to install them. They wouldn't install.

After that, I found I could install them through the updater. However, by that time I both couldn't be bothered and didn't feel like wasting more of my download quota. As a tip- include the docs with the app. When someone is downloading 500megs of app, the extra amount for the docs is okay. Having them available as a seperate download is plain ol' dumb.

Also, don't force people looking at the core package to download all of the other addons as well. I only wanted to see the core functionality, but for the life of me couldn't figure out what was what. Because I had zero docs and couldn't see the limitations of core, I chose to forget Cinema.

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