CGTalk - Another Gundam WIP : Sazabi

Darakusan

07-18-2003, 02:25 AM

R-Sin : Yeah, it do looks like one.

SHozo : Thanks for your comments!

Unicron : Thanks and i loved mechs a lot too :). And yupz the edges are sharp as i've not chamfer them yet, for easy editing purposes.

Keep the c&c coming. I'm currently working on the mid section body.
But i'm a slow slow guy.:shrug:

Anyway here's how a Sazabi look: A real beauty

http://members.tripod.co.jp/netmodelers3/kubo_saz/img/V201.jpg

unicron

07-18-2003, 05:13 AM

:drool: that is a beauty. lol

that thing is going to look awesome when you're done... I can hardly wait!!!

rock on Darakusan!!:buttrock:

Darakusan

07-24-2003, 11:56 AM

Some updates.

- Newest Look now -

http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/2407.jpg

- Here's the ref i'm using -

http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/side2.jpg

Crits pls

unicron

07-27-2003, 05:02 AM

hey darakusan,

nice work... although it looks kinda like you made it a little too "fat" in the belly area. Looking at the reference, the top chest section juts out a lot further from the abdomen area than you have it. That peice may need to go farther, or the ab area in a bit, or a combination of both.:shrug:

Keep up the good work!:D

Aljoker

07-27-2003, 08:40 AM

waaaaaaaaaaw Darakusan.

long time no see ,, :p

i am suprised with your model, actualy i tried to model sazabi. but i found it a littel difficult to me.

your model is awsome bro, keep going and let me see how it will be look like ..

:thumbsup:

Darakusan

07-27-2003, 11:03 AM

Unicron - yeah, i'm having a hard time to model that area.... but you see carefully, the ref is lacking a small plate, that's why it looks deeper in ;), the plate right above the belt.

aljoker - hiya! from what i see, i will have lots of difficulties in modeling the sazabi as compared to hi-nu... but i will try my best.

- Here my latest progress -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/2707.jpg

C&C pls.
Pardon me, as i spend little time modeling compare to playing games.. therefore i have pathetic progress.

unicron

07-28-2003, 12:37 AM

Yeah, I was looking at that grayscale reference and I wasn't sure if that peice was on there or not (apparently it isn't:p ). Anyway I was looking at the image of the whole model kit or toy image that you posted earlier and it looks like the torso peice in question is a little bit more pointy and slightly longer than you've got. :shrug:

Also, I notice that the gray peice that lines the edge of the red (in the same location) comes out further as well. It is also overlapped more by the lower front red peice. Hope that makes sense... anyway just check that image to see what I'm talking about for the gray peices on the side of the torso.

The newest update is looking awesome:thumbsup:

I can hardly wait to see more...

rock on:buttrock:

Aljoker

07-28-2003, 07:01 AM

keep going man,

:applause: :thumbsup:

davidSingha

07-29-2003, 03:12 AM

Will you have it done this year? hee hee...:)

Nice work! I'm a big fan of mechs.

what software are you using?

cheers:beer:

diazgl

07-29-2003, 07:31 AM

man, i just LOVE these kinds of models!! Too bad i dont get to see ANY anime other than Pokemon and Dragonball in my country!! Well, the model is doing great, I like the way you managed to make the soft edges look, thats a modelling nightmare!! I think that your model is a bit low polygon though.

Part of what makes your model look kinda low poly is the fact that you made everything a panel, whereas your reference picture of the model of sasabi is smoother at areas. Like the "wings", they are much smoother, as well as other areas, giving an interesting specularity to the model, making it in all more interesting to look at. Also the shoulders, notice the difference of yours with the ones on the reference photo.

The overall work is great, you have the form, you have to give it the feel.

Keep it up!!!

Darakusan

07-29-2003, 07:47 AM

Unicron - i'm working on those areas now.. kind of hard to get the exact scale is my ref pic is quite poor...

David - maybe i can finish it this yr hahaha. i'm using 3dsmax 4

diazgl - yeah, i tried not using any meshsmooth on my model. so far none is use.. the shoulder block is not yet complete. as you can see i have not chamfer the edges yet.. will still be working on it.

Thanks for the crits! it will help me make the model better!:applause:

Darakusan

07-31-2003, 05:38 PM

Some small updates.

- I reduced the front red segment

- I did the back flap together with it's detailing.. (ignore the bare back) Yet to work on the backpack

- Did the shoulder pad

- Added some exhaust..

That's all... very slow progress
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/3107.jpg

godeus25

07-31-2003, 07:09 PM

this is a beauty! im takin notes . . .:applause:

unicron

07-31-2003, 07:26 PM

I'm loving the shoulders!

keep up the good work:D

DaKrunch

08-01-2003, 01:40 AM

wow... this thread is getting interesting!
very good and clean modelling keep it up man! :)

godeus25

08-01-2003, 02:06 AM

would you mind posting a wire frame for the helmet and telling me house you built it? is there anything in there or did you just build the things that could be seen?

taufux

08-01-2003, 04:28 AM

:applause: wow that's a good modeling that i cant wait it to be mapped on!

Original post by godues25
would you mind posting a wire frame for the helmet and telling me house you built it? is there anything in there or did you just build the things that could be seen?

Ya i also wanna kow how you model the gundam! cos i also wanna try it on my own!! :D

Deam

08-01-2003, 07:24 AM

Wow! keep it comming....:buttrock:

Darakusan

08-01-2003, 07:47 AM

Well being not really good at modeling, my head is actually created with a few pieces of polygon.

- Here's some wireframe of the head and a one with color to show you the different segments -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/head.jpg

Hope this helps!
And thanks for all the comments

Darakusan

08-01-2003, 01:53 PM

Ok some more small updates..
manage to finish the forearm.. and recycled the hand from my hi-nu
however i dun like it a lot.. perhaps will redo it.

Dunno why, but then the guantlet gave me lots of trouble...

- Some different view and a closer view on the arms -

http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/0108.jpg

C&C pls

DreamcastDC

08-01-2003, 04:56 PM

I like very much

unicron

08-01-2003, 05:57 PM

Looking great!:buttrock:

I think the hands look a little odd though. Perhaps the thumb is too far to the end of the hand... or there isn't enough space between the connection of the thumb to the hand and the connection of the fingers to the hand.

dominicqwek

08-01-2003, 07:13 PM

Lovely!! :beer: Keep it up. I cant really find anything to critic on for now. :p

Darakusan

08-02-2003, 01:57 AM

DreamcastDC - Thanks

Unicron - Yeah.. that's y i said i don't like the hand.. haha guess there's no short cut :p how to remake one.

Anyway this hand is poorly made.

dom - thanks and nice to see you again fellow singaporean:buttrock:

unicron

08-02-2003, 03:28 AM

I know you didn't like the hand but instead of totally redoing it just make the palm section longer... Look at your own hand and you can see that the thumb comes out of the side of the hand while the fingers come from the end. On the model, you've got the thumb right next to the pointer finger: that's why it looks odd.

hope that helps:D

HapZungLam

08-02-2003, 05:06 AM

pay more attention to the edges, corners. don't think about it is the model that made with pastic, think about the real thing that made with heavey iron.

Corners won't be that sharp. They are beval all around.

The joins and stuff should be more hidden. And again, don't fully base on the model. Think about it when it is at "Charr Return".

Darakusan

08-03-2003, 03:12 PM

Unicron - I'm working out on another hand.. still extremely unsastified with my new version.... does any1 out there have a good reference for gundam style robotic hands?

HapZungLam - actually i did bevel the edges. Only some which i have not, as i will still be working on those areas. Maybe too little?? As for the joins, i see no problem at all for it to be exposed , rather attractive to me.

Anyway thanks!

Being a poor modeler, the leg segment is giving me nightmares..
No pics to update this wrong.. i manage to finish the tigh.. not the calve...1/2 way..

Keep tune.. i will try my best

unicron

08-03-2003, 06:20 PM

Hey Darakusan,

I just did a google search for Gundam, and then search within results: perfect grade. There are a LOT of sites with pics of the perfect grade gundam model kits, and several have some pretty nice shots of the hands that you might be able to use for assistance even though they are not the Sazabi model.

Hope that helps:D

Angel O'Death

08-03-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Darakusan
does any1 out there have a good reference for gundam style robotic hands?

Being a poor modeler, the leg segment is giving me nightmares..
No pics to update this wrong.. i manage to finish the tigh.. not the calve...1/2 way..

BOO! :P

also, it would be a good idea to purchase the Sazabi model. There is a Master Grade version that would prove very usefull for you. Being able to hold every piece of the model in your hands will give you a great advantage with the accuracy of your model. Also, in the MG manual there are plenty of detailed drawings of many parts of the gundam (of the anime version). and of course, there is a whole manual full of diagrams and drawings of the model version to help you out. i think you will find that stuff most usefull in proportions as well as joints.

you should be able to find the MG Sazabi on ebay or somthing. or perhaps a local hobby shop. i've bought my gundam models from this online webstore in the past.

http://www.ehobbyland.com/Gundam/MG/MG-Sazabi.html

Kel Solaar

08-03-2003, 08:15 PM

that's going very well so far :) good job!

Darakusan

08-04-2003, 10:42 AM

Unicron - Thanks! Will do it now

Angel O'Death - Thanks a million. downloaded it ;) you could free it now. I'm so touch.. so much help.. that's y i like this forum haha

Kel Solaar- Thanks!

Will try to do a good job on the hands to repay you guys!

unicron

08-04-2003, 03:31 PM

No problem Darakusan,

I look forward to seeing how it turns out... and after looking at all of those perfect grade model kits.... I've got to get one now since they're so friggin' awesome:drool:

rock on:buttrock:

Angel O'Death

08-04-2003, 07:31 PM

NP Darakusan, you're doing such a good job already, i just want to see the Sazabi look perfect (or close to it, hehe).

Yea Unicorn, they ARE awesome. omg, soo much detail. the first model i ever bought/built was the Perfect Grade Wing Zero Custom. it took me like a month to build it, but it was kinda fun! and setting up the model in a kewl pose after i was finished was reward enough. it's like making a CG version of it, for me, i find making the phat renders with cool poses to be the reward of playing the most boring game of connect the dots. haha

brianw76

08-06-2003, 07:27 AM

Wow. I must say, I'm not a big gundam fan but I am a big fan of huge robots that blow stuff up! That is looking great! Any updates?

Darakusan

08-08-2003, 09:36 AM

Ok here's some little updates:

- A whole new hand. nevermind the rigid look as i'm leaving it as it is now till i rig it.

- The Leg is almost done, left the feet and some mechanical joints.

The calve area gave me some hard time due to my very limited skills.

- Some views and a lousy wireframe -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/0808.jpg

C&C pls.

Darakusan

08-09-2003, 02:52 AM

Hmm no comments?
Guess i will work on the feet now.

Darakusan

08-10-2003, 09:49 AM

Well.. still no comments.. nevermind.
I've done the feet now.

Items left to be done : Back - pack, Shield & Weapons

- Some views of Sazabi, added a floor to it -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1008.jpg

PLS C&C, this is quite a critical stage before i proceed

Darakusan

08-10-2003, 05:12 PM

Another image which i have fun making.

- Some closer view -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/08082.jpg

rquinn

08-10-2003, 06:05 PM

nice
what gundam
where can i find pictures of those
they seem fun to model
i wanna model one too

diazgl

08-11-2003, 12:03 AM

great job dude! I really like the model. Only thing is about the hands. I have NO idea how the sazabi model looks like (or any gundam model) but the palm looks wrong (more like, not stylish than wrong, since I dont know what is right.)

Aha, seen the picture again. Seems like your palm is a little flat and perhaps to thick in respect to the fingers. Also, you need that smooth bump of the palm that forms in the palm because of the thumb, that would make it look like a hand more.

Darakusan

08-11-2003, 01:36 AM

Quinn - There's lots of images out there in the net. Try google :)

Diazgl - Yup the hand looks odd now. infact it was already a remodeled hand... sad to say.. but i will see if the hand is ok after i rigged it. currently i' leaving it all at a straight line.. so as for easy rigging at later stages. Will look into it at that stage. Thanks

unicron

08-13-2003, 03:55 AM

Looking good...

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, my internet was down for several days... anyway, I think that the back of the hand should be flat instead of having that slight indentation that you've got. Other than that, the feet seem too big... I know that gundams have big feet in comparison to the body, but it just seems a bit too big.

Keep up the good work: it rocks man!!!:buttrock:

Darakusan

08-13-2003, 01:40 PM

Unicron - haha guess i overdid the feet ^^ i actually resized it to make it bigger.. so u find it too big ah? i will try playing around with it again. As for the hand.. the indention was there according to the ref pics i recieved from angel.

btw i'm nearly done with the backpack. will post an update real soon

heiyuu

08-14-2003, 06:26 AM

If you think the Sabazii has big feet do a search on the Zaku III... CRAZY!

Darakusan

08-16-2003, 04:22 PM

Here's some small updates.

Finished the backpack and the missile guns.

- Overview -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1608_1.jpg

- Closer back view -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1608_3.jpg

- Another angle -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1608_4.jpg

Darakusan

08-16-2003, 04:24 PM

- Opened Up-
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1608_5.jpg

- Finally the missile gun -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/1608_6.jpg

C&C pls. Btw the feet is slightly smaller :p still like it big

cougarpride

08-16-2003, 10:38 PM

I love seeing how much you have advanced with this model. Those new missles turned out very well. I assume you will make the rifle and the shield too. I see something wrong though. The flaps below the shoulder pads have three cylinders under them. It is correct that there are three cylinders below there but they shouldn't be arranged in such a pyramid fashion but rather they should adapt to the curvature of the flap. Take a look at this image to see what i mean. Model (http://sugoiweb.com/models/sazabi-front1.jpg) Also I think the squares on the front of his shoulder should be extruded some. Keep it up man!

:thumbsup:

Darakusan

08-17-2003, 02:58 AM

Jared Guay - Yeah i get wat you mean. Thanks for your close observations :buttrock: . I will work on those. Thanks a lot! Like i always say: Critics help improved one's model
Yup next thing to work on should be the shield. Then the rifle.

Aljoker

08-17-2003, 09:31 AM

awsome, awsome, awsome Darakusan

Darakusan, you make me crazy man

:eek: :thumbsup:

unicron

08-17-2003, 09:53 PM

I am loving the backpack!!!

nice:D

Darakusan

08-18-2003, 04:43 PM

aljoker - haha thanks !

unicron - glad u like it ;D i've put in quite an amount of efforts in it hahaha.

Well.. been relatively busy in studies lately... not yet to start working on the shield...

badkuma

08-18-2003, 05:06 PM

The detail you put in that mech is great. Love the Sazabi and love that model.

Angel O'Death

08-19-2003, 01:22 AM

wow, i'm loving the detail you're sticking in there. good stuff :)

can i see some closeups of the hands?

and any chance you can post larger pics in general? they look sooooooo tiny on my screen.

keep up the good work! :buttrock:

Darakusan

08-29-2003, 04:29 AM

geeze... quite long since my last updates...
quite relatively busy with school this few days.

Anyway with my 'slow' modeling, i manage to finish the shield.

- Here's the image, a bigger view of the gundam too -

http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/2908.jpg

Darakusan

08-29-2003, 03:38 PM

- Bigger View -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/29082.jpg

Angel O'Death

09-04-2003, 06:17 AM

The 'bump' on the backside of the hands isn't accurate. infact it shouldn't be there at all. ;)

those referance pics i sent you weren't all from the sazabi model. if you didn't see the hands attached to the sazabi, then they aren't his hands. i sent you the other pictures so you would have a better idea of the shape/mechanics of gundam hands in general. and then use that along with pics of the real sazabi hands to make them accurate.

here is a pic of some 'detailed' add-on hands for the Sazabi model. http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?BCL2100

also, you might want to make this add-on rifle for it as well? http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?BCL2143

the shield is also in need of corrections. i'm looking for some good pics of it now, i'll post them here when i find some.

http://www.geocities.com/gundam_cca/MSN-04.html

http://www.epy0n.com/toys/sazabi/afsazabi.htm

http://www.gundam.channel.or.jp/cgi-bin/photoview.cgi?msn04/msn04_03.jpg

http://www.gundam.channel.or.jp/cgi-bin/photoview.cgi?msn04/msn04_10.jpg

(some good detail shots in general here. click on the small pics for a larger view.)
http://www.gundam.channel.or.jp/goods/pramodel/mg/model/msn04.shtml

(some pics here that should help in sizing the lower parts of the legs, and also the feet)
http://www.psb-mall.com/shop/list.php?hc_id=1&ai_id=16

(omg this guy made an insanely detailed funnel for the sazabi. check out all the pics! good size too)
http://www.tamatele.ne.jp/~nct6/gallery/sazabi/sazabi_f.htm

http://amuro-gundam.myrice.com/htm/Sazabi/Sazabi.htm

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-King/8192/gallery_sazabi.html

http://www.geocities.jp/huwachan/wonderexcellence/gallery/sazabi/sazabi.htm

i think that's enough links for now :)

if u need more, do a google search for MSN 04 Sazabi. Skip to page 8 of the results, as i've already posted all the good links from those pages.

Darakusan

09-04-2003, 03:12 PM

Wow, thanks Angel!!:eek:

It seems that you did more research than i did! haha
Thanks a lot !:beer:

I noticed some details which i'm lacking... however i'm limited by my poor modeling skills haha. I can't get some things to look the way i wanted to :thumbsdow

But i will try to give it the best my skill allowed
Thanks for all the great links :applause:

Angel O'Death

09-08-2003, 06:01 AM

No problemt Darakusan. You're doing such a great job on this model already!:buttrock:

What kind of textures will you be giving it? cel shaded, or realistic? i think it would look really good with some realism in the textures. remember the shiny metallic look that the sazabi had in those scans i sent you? that would look really nice!

Darakusan

09-12-2003, 02:50 PM

Yeah planning to give it a nice shine ;)
Damn busy this days.. dun even have time to start the gun

Darakusan

10-02-2003, 01:35 PM

well... have not touch 3d for a month of so.... too busy :(

Anyway i manage to finish the gun.
Guess next stage is rigging.

- A Pathetic gun -
http://darakusan.simplehost.com/sazabi/0210.jpg

Angel O'Death

10-15-2003, 12:51 AM

can't see any of the pics. i wanna see the pathetic gun! :D

Darakusan

11-15-2003, 03:37 PM

Oh boy... so sorry about all the previous images... they are all gone :(... the lousy host just cut off totally... damn..

Anyway here's the latest image... did nothing actually.. been busy with exams... will only be free end of this month :(

Anyway i tried applying some shiny texture on.

- The pathetic gun-
http://members.lycos.co.uk/darakusan/sazabi/0210.jpg

- Too shiny?-
http://members.lycos.co.uk/darakusan/sazabi/1611.jpg

Planning to do rigging....

Aljoker

11-15-2003, 04:34 PM

waaaaaaaaw great job Darakusan

Darakusan, why dont you try add HDRI. i think it will be cool.
realy nice

Aljoker

11-15-2003, 04:35 PM

i think you already add HDR

Darakusan

11-16-2003, 01:02 AM

haha yeah... added some cheapo HDR -_-"
May not look too well hehe, but i never really played with lights before haha. Will try and learn and do some better lightings.

Thanks aljoker!

BeCOOL_MiN

11-16-2003, 01:58 PM

Looks Good..

Pic looks a bit dark, though.
Wanna See more pics..

Darakusan

11-19-2003, 01:38 PM

Here's some updated lighting.. still too dark?
Sorry.. i'm no gd in lighting :~(

http://members.lycos.co.uk/darakusan/sazabi/1119_1.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/darakusan/sazabi/1119_2.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/darakusan/sazabi/1119_3.jpg

Hope now can have a better view

Angel O'Death

11-23-2003, 07:59 PM

looks pretty good! i just watched Gundam Char's CounterAttack. pretty good lil movie and i think u should watch it. the Sazabi is in it and you can see some detail you've missed. If you're interested in it PM me and i'll tell you where to grab it.

Darakusan

11-25-2003, 11:35 AM

3 more days and i will be free to play around with the sazabi again :).

Wonder what details should i add. (PM'ing now)

Darakusan

11-27-2003, 02:00 PM

Well tommorrow shall be start of my free days again :D
Anyway today i had nothing better to do.. that i rendered my Hi-Nu Gundam together with the sazabi... and i noticed how "square & edgy" my work was previously....

Anyway here's some views of the 2 gundams for comparing
http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/darakusan/sazabi/2711.jpg

Darakusan

11-29-2003, 07:13 AM

Well, finally manage to do a crappy rigging :D

Here's some test render of it in some kind of crappy pose
http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/darakusan/sazabi/1129.jpg

C&C Pls

Darakusan

11-30-2003, 01:33 AM

no comments? :(

Anyway i got another gundam in mind now...
MSN-04 Nightingale. A beauty too..

_The_Paladin_

11-30-2003, 01:34 AM

I can't see the pictures

Darakusan

11-30-2003, 01:54 AM

You mean you can't see the pictures in the last few post??
The images in the earlier post are no longer there due to the lost of webhost....

Anyone else having problem looking at the images of the post i posted recently??

Darakusan

12-01-2003, 02:03 AM

Oh boy... can't someone answer my doubt on if my images are there? :(

Doesn't seems to get much comments...
nvm, working on my 3rd gundam now. Will be posting it soon.. i hope

godeus25

12-01-2003, 02:37 AM

i can see all the new pics since you picked this up again. they are sweet!! you need a bad ass pose for that guy. maybe put him in a scene?

gunslingerblack

12-01-2003, 07:16 AM

i dont know how realistic you want ur sazabi but if u want it to be as real looking as possible tone down the reflection to a just about nill value, and add some weathering to that texture, some decals would help it too, military units are always painted with a drab color (olive drab is that olive green color that doesn't reflect) because if a unit is reflecting light it can be easily seen that's why all military units are painted with a drab color scheme.

Angel O'Death

12-03-2003, 11:48 PM

yea i can see the new pics too. good start on the poses :D

YESS!! that Nightingale is awesome! the sazabi looks like a good match next to the hi-nu (though u can see a big difference in quality of the models). but as far as the gundam universe goes, you would need the Nightingale to compete with the Hi-Nu. I hope u do a fantastic job on it. it's really an awesome design.

do you think you will work on your hi-nu to bring it up to par with what your current skills can do? it's a really terrific design that is worthy of being a never complete project ;)

and as gunslingerblack said, it's a good idea to lower the relection. it just doesn't suit the gundams. i think the only parts that might actually reflect much are the eyes and the gold metal parts.

for those who don't know what the Nightingale looks like, look here.

http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?BCL2202