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[3DArtZ]

Vizz, I've always thought you were a fair moderator and hope you stay on the board.
As far as the static. I cant comment one way or the other. But its great to see
that the user base still has some passion left!

Everyone keep on keeping on:)

[Vizfizz]

3DArtz,

I have no intention of leaving. CGTalk only allows this forum to exist because of my participation. If I go, its likely this whole forum would go. So, I'd much rather find someone to join the moderation staff to show everyone here that I am not one sided on any one particular stance.

[mike33]

I second Richard Jolly.

Not only do I enjoy his work, but I have recently discovered a lot of his experiments and studies using EIAS. I also think he's got a good attitude.

I'd also like to say I still support Brian and his efforts.

Last, I agree with 3DArtz, I think despite the differences of opinions, it's good to see people still have a passion for EIAS.

Cheers,

Mike

[Vizfizz]

Hi Mike,

The point is both Scott and I got out of hand. This is what happens when two people who disagree with each other try to deal with something with escalated positions of strength. This seems to happen too often in our community because we all want to see things happen. Thus I feel its necessary to find an additional person to help moderate this forum to ensure that I'm not being one sided in my opinions.

Personally I agree with you about Richard. He's fair, level headed, and always shows a great interest in showing off what EIAS can do. He's not under any obligation to accept, I just simply mentioned him for the very same reasons you posted. If he is interested, I'd have to submit his name forward to CGtalk's staff for consideration. (Don't worry Richard... you don't have to accept if you don't want to)

As for Scott and I, well, if a public apology will help, I'll offer it right now. I'm sorry Scott for getting into an argument with you. Mograph or CA aside, you're a talented individual that deserves to be treated respectfully. I only expect the same in return.

[AVTPro]

3DArtz,

I have no intention of leaving. CGTalk only allows this forum to exist because of my participation. If I go, its likely this whole forum would go. So, I'd much rather find someone to join the moderation staff to show everyone here that I am not one sided on any one particular stance.

Being on CGTALK is a privilege. It's a very "PUBLIC" forum not for personal gripes or airing dirty laundry.

We have to understand "Brian is not sovereign". He has a responsiblity to CGTalk to keep the forum diplomatic, cordial and professional. If CGtalk sees a bunch of quips between anybody direct insults, they will come down on the whole forum. There's a saying" Don't wake the sleeping lion". To much noise and it will eat us all.

We all have to be careful to word our posts to be courteous, diplomatic, professional with candor even if we are perturbed. It is our own responsiblity to curb our attitudes before abrasive posting. No matter what we want or how we feel, a forum, even unmoderated will imploded from this. It has happened to many old servers and postforums which remain barren as abandoned reminders. If we don't, no matter how good our research, business stategy or life depends on it, firey thread won't help them. We would only hurt EI and CGT.

Brian, you again are displaying the wisdom that anyone in the CG field does "Diversify" by utilizing other resources if only to be said not to have an unfair monopoly.

It's a hard painful decision but It's only good prepariation to not put your eggs in one basket or to have a Plan A and Plan B or in this case two moderators incase one has a bad day.

If Rich Joly would accept, I think he would be a fair, objective, wise and tolerant.

Speaking of tolerant. I bet I can search less than a year and find a post of where I was passionate but yet diplomatic about EI fixing CA bugs FIRST before Tesla. it didn't happen, but being PATIENT has paid off. EI has been doing CA for 10 years. Keith Lango did a movie almost 8 years ago. The minor fixes we are getting now for major bugs we have been 'waiting our turn" for 3 or 4 years. I was very passionate (but diplomatic) for about 7 years. Knowing I can't get the rug pulled from under my feet again, I had to do the wise thing and prepare by diversifying my tool set.


CA people have only been waiting their turn. There's an order to this and we have been waiting in line for a long time.

No one should feel alienated. After "Many years" of waiting we took the necessary "Survival" tactics of diversifying our tool box, Successful bussiness people/CG artist make the proper preparations. We ALL made the "very painful" decision for our survival but we are STILL HERE HELPING EI to GROW by being patience and respectfully trust their decission.. They went ahead with Tesla before CA but the CA was faster to fix. So we got CA fixes before Tesla anyway. IN the meantime, I learn what apps I needed to procure my bottom line.

Anyway I gotta get back to work. I have an EI CA to deliver to day..my bills are due and I gotta get paid. No argruing there.

[dwu67]

Well said Alonzo, and guys. Look forward to v8 and beyond. Will definitely upgrade and hope many others do so to improve EI's capital.

I am sure the management at EI is aware of the user's needs and will address them best possible way (that's the hard part) within limited resources. Since jumping to EI from LW in 1993, in many occasions, I voiced requests and many of them were eventually implemented in the program. They are definitely listening. And I imagine very busy working...

I hope they have time to figure out how to do fast anti-alising in 16 bit space for the next release. And have a successful v8 release that enable them to hire more programmers.

[Vizfizz]

Thank you David.

I too plan to upgrade. Despite my positions on what should be upgraded next, it wont interfer with my decision to purchase v8. The work that has been done so far is exceptional.

[AVTPro]

Hey DAVID!!

are you back from HK? I'll send you some nice "$$" if you are!!

[cjberg]

Since you have nominated Richard, I vote for Richard also... This forum needs a lot of cleaning up, and since he's not me, he's the man for the job!

[Vizfizz]

CJ...

If you would like to nominate yourself that's ok. I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be allowed. If Richard isn't interested in moderating, you would be another good candidate to recommend to the CG Society.

[cjberg]

CJ...

If you would like to nominate yourself that's ok. I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be allowed. If Richard isn't interested in moderating, you would be another good candidate to recommend to the CG Society.

Let me reiterate... Richard would be GREAT!!! :bowdown:

My point being it is a thankless job and and at this point, it will take a lot of work to nudge people into constructive postings.

Cj

[AVTPro]

WTF?? :banghead:

http://spacelunch.pair.com/blog/?page_id=18

This is a great way to channel venting in a positive constructive format and a creative way to document your concerns.

I actually learned from this. I couldn't figure out why edge loops wasn't working til I read this last nite.

Though Zbrush 3 it's great, I am going to diversify if not completely revert to version 2.

In version 3, they changed the Move Tool to transpose and now I can't switch between the draw and move tool interactively. Until I find a way to go from the standard draw tool to the move tool in v3 without having to go to the menu, I will start my sculpts in v2.
:arteest:

BTW, I had my own EIU blog but I seem to have lost it :) I may start a new one.

[richardjoly]

Brian,

In my mind a moderator plays a very important role. Whether a forum will be successful or not depends on his ability to promote it and encourage positive interactions among members. You did that alone for many years and I salute you for the excellent job.

No real community is all peace and harmony - It’s made up of real people who, from time to time, might not get along. A little controversy can be healthy as it encourages debate and interaction. But I am a firm believer that a certain degree of strictness does have to apply. If freedom of speech means being able to flame others, then it is not truly freedom of speech and it should be firmly dealt with. I am also aware that there is nothing worse than a trigger happy moderator... Finding the balance between being too strict and being a push over is the real challenge.

I am flattered you nominated me as a potential candidate. Because of my passion for this community it would be my pleasure to be of help. I have however no experience in the field but would be happy to give it a try...

Thank you Mike, Alonzo and CJ for the kind words and vote of confidence.

Rick, the jolly Joly

[AVTPro]

AWESOME RICH!!!

Thanks and Congratulations. :bounce: :bounce: :bowdown: :arteest: :applause:

[FelixCat]

I can´t understand all this fuss between Brian vs Scott. I have been reading the Brian posts since the Postforum times, loooong time ago and always was a friendly and polite person. And still is. Sorry, Scott, but in MHO you let your emotion an passion dominate you. You have part of the truth, but Brian have the other half. It´s not black and white only... both had been very important in the fight for a better EiAS, all of us want an improvement in this app, some in the CA departament, some in the MOCAP but if we begin to fight each other we go nowhere.

Sorry 4 my bad english

FelixCat

[Vizfizz]

Thank you Richard.

Everyone should know that I (and potentially Richard) are not the sole authorities of this forum. I am only the first moderator in a series of moderators, super moderators, and final authorities. Anytime there is any potential problems it's upto the first line moderators to help keep the peace. If that doesn't work anyone is able to push moderation forward. But first line moderators only have so much we are allowed to do. We can lock threads, perform admin functions on threads and make recommendations for discipline on users breaking rules. Throughout the whole mograph/ca ordeal I refrained from moving anything to external moderators.

Richard I appreciate your willingness to help. I didn't have any experience either but I'm confident your help will be invaluable. I only hope I can assure this forum meets all the positive expectations you and others deserve. That includes everyone even those I disagree with.

Richard...I will submit you forward to those above me for consideration. Thanks again.

[scottfox]

Congratulations Richard

I look forward to product only discussions aimed at the betterment of my favorite application.
Electric Image

I am encouraged by what seems to be a fresh new start.

Scott

[Vizfizz]

Hi all,

We apologise for having to close this thread. Unfortunately, CGTalk cannot allow for threads intentionally airing grievances towards an employer, person or company. In the past, these have led to legal action towards us (hosting/publishing the libel) and the poster (authoring the libel). Due to the amount of problems that we have encountered in the past, and to protect artists, we ask all CGTalk members to please refrain from airing grievances towards any employer, person or company.

Once again, we apologise for the inconvenience and hope that you can understand our position in this matter. All offending posts will be soft deleted for moderation.

Thank you,