DWIV - 3D - mrgrotey - Ice Demon

[ersinerturk]

your sketches look very good. since your character is heavy (i guess so) i think feet should be more tight, strong-looking. Looking forward to see more sketches.

[nellement]

Pretty massive character there,would be great if you could add some variation to the shape of the kinda scales on his body,maybe using different ones for the knee,arm maybe,also those horns could be more unique for this type of character,keep it up!

[mrgrotey]

Thanks for the comments people, much appreciated

ersinerturk: cheers mate, I was never happy with the feet/legs. ive removed them completely now! :)


nellement: couldnt agree more, I'll try and vary it a bit.


Update:

A rather radical change to the sketch, removed the legs, changed the head, changed the arms, added a tail, twin dorsal fins (or shall I just use one?) and I think I might do an ice harpoon on some sorts seeing as this seems to have been transformed into an underwater swimmy guy.

Comments and cirts encouraged as always

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept-2.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept-2.jpg)

[ersinerturk]

i liked almost everything in your last update. tail and head is looking very good. but i think now it can't walk easily. you could put his legs closer to his tail or maybe adding more legs to lower body. i'd like to see him in action, that would help you decide what new features he may need.

[mrgrotey]

Thanks mate. 'He' is an underwater swimmer rather than a walker but the legs would serve a purpose I guess, along the sea bed or something so yeah I may try moving them back a touch. Cant really add too much more complexity i.e. more legs but I'll see what I come up with :)




Update: trying to make this thing look more dangerous and violent, I think I'm slowly getting there I think . I'm going to be play with the tail and hands/arms again next. I want to make the tail a lot wider and do some crazy big hands or something, not sure what I'll spit out yet.


Change of Head...

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept3a.jpg

[tsalvageboy]

This new character is more original and ugly. The new head looks nice, horns spikes and teeth always add more evil to a character.

[FMMirel]

Awesome concept m8. Can't wait to see this modeled ;). I like the new head. He really looks like he could tear you apart with very little effort

[namnocilis]

i liked the last update.. :thumbsup: looks great! nice character to sculpt, i am very much eager to see it sculpted in 3D.. looking forward for the updates

[mrgrotey]

tsalvageboy: cheers, yeah I agree :)

FMMirel: ta mate, I think I'm gonig to be improving the ehad somewhat, I dont like the top of it. we'll see...

namnocilis: heh yeah, Im not too experienced in sculpting (only having tried it once) so it may not be up to the rest of the competition ;) should come out ok though.


Update: Changed/improved the tail...

Also i'm changing the category to Abomination instead of demon lord. and removing the weapon. I dont think after im finished thata he's going to need a weapon. What do you guy reckon?

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept-4.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept-4.jpg)


Next:... change the arms...

[mrgrotey]

Update. some stabby/slicey arms and a couple of head variations. Thoughts?

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept-5.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept-5.jpg)

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept6.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept6.jpg)

[nellement]

I will go with bottom one,fisrt one loks more cartoony head than the second one.

[GaeasHerald]

Yep, I like the bottom one too, with its deep ocean creature look. Wicked creature design :thumbsup:

[mrgrotey]

Cheers guys! :)


Update: Did another claw concept.

A couple of head concepts (there was another but it was SHITE! they are not particularly underwater-like but the 2nd in particular was lots of fun to draw! :D

8 & 9 http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept7.jpg



The idea behind this is that is a double claw for fighting and they can be splayed apart to take advantage of the webbing when swimming

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept8.jpg

[DeadInTheAttic]

I'm sure, this will look great at the end.

[mrgrotey]

Cheers mate.


Anyway here are 4 more head that im not sold on just like the rest. let me know what you think guys... my enthusiasm is starting to slow down on this as I draw more and more non-fitting heads.


11+12
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept11.jpg



13+14
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept10.jpg

[mrgrotey]

Update: I think I've FINALLY found a head that I'm quite happy with, still room for improvement but its getting there now. I'm much happier with it. Can you guys give any pointers on this one?


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept12.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept12.jpg)

[daelon]

wow, interesting ideas :thumbsup:

[mrgrotey]

Thanks mate :)


A couple of hand concepts, expanding on the previous one. I like 18 the best and will most likely go with that. what do you guys think?

I', hoping to have the final concept finalised tomorrow and start the modelling monday.


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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept13.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept13.jpg)


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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_concept14.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/concept14.jpg)

[mrgrotey]

heres an update, im part o the way through the mudboxifying stage.

I've only use mudbox once before and find it quite tricky, but im getting used to it as I progress.

The head was the first thing I started on and the underparts towards the legs were the latest. still lots od detail to add but I thought id show some progress as I havent updated it in a while



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_01.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/01.jpg)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_02.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/02.jpg)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_03.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/03.jpg)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_04.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/04.jpg)

[namnocilis]

Nice sculpting! coming out really good! Good job! :thumbsup:

[MartinNielsen]

Yes, the modeling is really good here. Nice insect-design as well :)

[GaeasHerald]

Modeling is coming along nicely. Can't wait for updates!

[mrgrotey]

Thanks guys :)


Update: Refined the detail now. my pc is struggling a bit now so definitely cant go any higher on the subdivs (currently at 10 million tris) I think I'm nearly done with the sculpting, other than working more on the head (which I'm still not 100% on but I have pulled it about a bit making the lower jaw bigger. Oh and I'm ditching the lower eye too.

Let me know what you think guys and gals.


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_05.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/05.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_06.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/06.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_07.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/07.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_08.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/08.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_09.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/09.jpg)

[mrgrotey]

Update: I've redone the head, removed the eye, and not replaced it with any eyes. I like the idea of blindness (or apparent blindness) I'm liking this head much better and I feel more comfortable with it. I'm sure you lot will disagree but I'm giving myself until Wednesday night to finish the sculpt (or at least the main form as I'm away from Thursday till Tuesday and wont be able to sculpt, but I will be able to make a start on the final low poly mesh.




New head (NOT FINAL JUST ROUGHED IN)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_11.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/11.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_10.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/10.jpg)

[syrez-one]

nice ideas dude! modelling seems to come along too! the crabby parts have cool detail , the only thing i'm missing are bad eyes on the head though..

doing great! keep it up!

[sachinCG]

Its a nice start and I like the concept & model, keep it up.....

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...f=282&t=750095 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=282&t=750095)

[mrgrotey]

Thanks guys :)


Heres an adjusted head. I think its looking more aquatic now, what do you think? I've kinda accepted that its not going to look shit-yer-pants scary now unless a lot changes so I'm doing the best with what I got.

Comments are most appreciated.

As before the head isn't finalised, still a lot of work, particularly on the nose area and skin texture so ignore that ;)

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_2009-04-09_0757.png (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/2009-04-09_0757.png)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_2009-04-09_0751117.png (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/2009-04-09_0751117.png)

[nellement]

Nice 3d keep going

[mrgrotey]

After a week of ignoring this I got back round to opening it and progressing. Only to find that my mudbox file had corrupted and I couldn't then view or edit the highest level of detail. NOT GOOD!

I therefore bit the bullet and started completely from scratch and made a whole new base mesh in order to:
1. incorporate a better head using a deep sea shrimp thing I found as influence as I was never happy with any previous heads I had done.

and 2. make a far more even poly spread. In the last mesh 2.5 million polys (our of a total of 10) were bunched up just by the spikes in the end of the tail!!


So here we are now, new head and the texturing (done in mudbox so far, LOVING that! never done texturing directly onto a model before) is getting towards being complete, still a few areas need covering.


Any comments and crits are very welcome.



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_12.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/12.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_13.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/13.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_14.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/14.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_15.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/15.jpg)


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_16.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/16.jpg)



One week left!! :O

[nellement]

Nice progress,but try to add some more alive colors maybe at the bottom of the legs or stomach area,just watch some toxic frogs for reference you will see what I mean.

[mrgrotey]

Thanks mate, I had a go at doing crazy colours but didnt seem to fit, ive increased the saturation though it was a little dull looking


heres an update, this is a quick render from max now, an opacity map has been added too.


(2500x1200)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_17.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/17.jpg)

(2500x1200)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_18.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/18.jpg)

[mrgrotey]

heres a few variations of diffuse and normal map to show what detail im getting from the NM.
There is no difference in the texture than the last update I did.

diffuse, no normal map
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_17a.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/17a.jpg)

no diffuse, no normal map
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_17b.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/17b.jpg)

normal map, no diffuse
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_17c.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/17c.jpg)

diffuse, no normal map
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_18a.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/18a.jpg)

no diffuse, no normal map
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_18b.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/18b.jpg)

normal map, no diffuse
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_18c.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/18c.jpg)

and heres a quick test to see whats happening with a pose. It won't stay as it looks like he's waving but, you know, just a test.


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_temp.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/temp.jpg)

[FMMirel]

looking very nice there mrgrotey. Also i like where you're going with the pose. Keep going! :)

[mrgrotey]

Cheers mte :)


Update:

base is virtually done now, let me know what you think guys and gals...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/19.jpg

[mrgrotey]

Im on my own here it seems :shrug:


Update:

test for the presentation shot.

not quite there yet but there is virtually no photoshopping allowed in this image (thats saved for the beauty render) only things like contrast/tone adjustment so its gotta be done primarily in max.

I think the sillouette is a lot better than the previous test and I've hopefully gotten rid of the wavey hand and replaced it with a more swipey hand. Plus got some deep-sea glowiness like some creatures have.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/comp1.jpg

[FMMirel]

i know i just replied but i must do so again. Sheer quality m8. I just love it. Crisp lights, colors, it just looks right. You've done an outstanding job on the pedestal too. One of my fav entries ;)

[mrgrotey]

here's a photoshop concept for the beauty shot (still to pose the back legs so they hug the body more)

I think I might have less weeds as its making him look smaller than before when there were less weeds. The fish will be proper particles too not blobs. Not sure whether the weeds will be mesh yet, might take too long to get them nice

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/swim02.jpg

[mrgrotey]

Well here it is folks, the final set of images.

I like to thank everyone for all their help/suggestions/encouragements along the way, couldn't have got to this result without you lot.

There may well be things to change still but I have to stop some time and I don't have anymore time to spend on this although your comments.crits are still welcome.

here are the competition size images with higher res links underneath each one.



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_mrgrotey_beauty_lo.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_beauty_lo.jpg)
Click here for Hi-Res version (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_beauty_hi.jpg)



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_mrgrotey_presentation_lo.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_presentation_lo.jpg)
Click here for Hi-Res version (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_presentation_hi.jpg)



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_mrgrotey_texture_lo.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_texture_lo.jpg)
Click here for Hi-Res version (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_texture_hi.jpg)



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_mrgrotey_construction_lo.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_construction_lo.jpg)
Click here for Hi-Res version (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_construction_hi.jpg)



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/th_mrgrotey_concept_lo.jpg (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_concept_lo.jpg)
Click here for Hi-Res version (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/mrgrotey/Dominance%20War%20IV/mrgrotey_concept_hi.jpg)

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