DWIV - 3D - Untamed - Genzen

[Yin-Shiuan]

Cool design! I can't wait to see more. Good luck!^^

[Verasl]

Sweet design. cant wait to see the side profile. :buttrock:

[Spartistic]

man great style. good looking silhouette, looks like it would be a fearsome adversary. Cant wait to see some wip :thumbsup:

[GregStrangis]

Sounds and looks friggen awesome already! Is he going to have a cyclops cyborg eye??

[namnocilis]

wow! cool design.. i can see those lights starting to glow and then the action begins.. looks deadly!

[tewicks]

Thanks guys! Working on a profile view now, getting there slowly.

GregStrangis For the eyes I'm leaving that quite open at the moment, he could end up having something like that, ill have to play around with it a bit first.

[tewicks]

Small update on the side view. Any suggestions are welcome :)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4729/dw4genzenconcept02.jpg

[Verasl]

Sweet progress on the side profile, lovin it.

As of now there's nothing I can really think of.

[ersinerturk]

looks nice but i can't get the shape around chest, i'll wait for the complete sketch of side view for a better critique.

[namnocilis]

the side view is looking cool, i especially liked the shape of the head.. keep them coming

[Spartistic]

The head is looking cool as i cant say i could see it like that from the front, inface the more i see the more i like it :D

[tewicks]

Yeah there is probably a few things that wont match up probably and will need tweeking. In the modelling phase I will only be using this as a guide.

So here is the first pass of the concept. I'm still working on the gun/arm.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/769/dw4genzenconcept03.jpg

[Swizzle]

That guy has a pretty nice silhouette; lots of solid, interesting shapes going on. I'd suggest doing something with the forearms, though. They seem a little bland compared to the fairly interesting legs and hips.

[tewicks]

Onto the modelling now.

Working on the chest here.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3342/dw4genzenmodel01.jpg

[Xidon]

Pretty cool, i hope to get onto my modeling this week sometime too.

[tewicks]

Sweet man, good luck for that.

Update:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5835/dw4genzenmodel02.jpg

[tewicks]

Working on the head

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1346/dw4genzenmodel03.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

hey mate,

Looking really good. Love the concept and you seem to be moving along nicely now. Looking foward to more updates

[StefanoDubay]

very cool control of the shapes with such a low res cage!
very neat! i like the fact tht the whole upper part looks like a mask/skull of some sort :)

[tewicks]

Cheers guys, thanks for support.

Update:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5120/dw4genzenmodel04.jpg

[GregStrangis]

Looks great man! How many tris are you at right now?? Lookin forward to more updates ;)

[patdunal]

The modelling is looking great so far! I'm also interested in a tri count.

And, always good to see another cyborg on the field!

[tewicks]

The count is at around 5-6k at the moment.

I am modeling the high poly at the moment, so I am not too concerned with the count, I am just blocking everything out first before I get stuck into the detailing.

Will most likely keep the blocked out model for the low poly mesh before I get into the detail. That's the plan for the work flow at the moment. If you have any suggestions or improvements feel free to share :)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9835/dw4genzenmodel05.jpg

[Ferx]

Hey Aaron,

Cool design and concept, the model looks really great :D Maybe you can rise the arms positon to the head level and make the a bit large, to mantain the human form but with a little push on the design, more a wish than a critic :) Good luck and waiting for more updates! Cheers!! :beer:

[namnocilis]

Awesome updates! nothing much to crit.. apart from pointing that some of the details you are modeling into the mesh could be easy done in zbrush and get it out of normals.. as you say, the tendency is to get going with detailing but you can save time by not modeling those details into the mesh at this stage.. if you can get everything done in 10k then it is fine, i am already getting that next gen character feel by just looking at the mesh.. Great going! :thumbsup:

[tewicks]

Cheers guys,

Ferx - Thanks :) For this character I think I will try to vary from human-like proportions just to make it a bit more appealing and interesting. Although adjustments will probably need to be made, I will wait till I get the arms and guns on the model before I shift the shoulder area around too much. Cheers for the crit!

namnocilis - Cheers, This will the the high poly model, so I am not to worried about the polycount at the moment. The idea is to get most of the detail in the hard surfaced parts of the character in maya, then I will do most of the organic detailing in Zbrush. Will see how that goes, first time using this workflow. Glad you are getting the next-gen buzz out of this guy :)

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Update for tonight...

Not too much to show, just been working on blocking out the legs and checking the overall feel of the model.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/692/dw4genzenmodel06.jpg

[Verasl]

Looking gud, glad to see the modelling coming along nicely.
Would love to see a side render.

Keep it up :beer:

[Yin-Shiuan]

Woo! It look like very good!
I am very looking forward to see your next upgrade. Good luck!:)

[vikramvr]

Awesome job so far.. Looks like this is going to turn out great.

[tewicks]

Cheers all,

Have actually been quite busy on this, sorry for the lack of updates, more to come soon!

I will be spending most of easter holiday working on this :argh: but I must do this to catch up because I have been sick.

Update for tonight... started on the rail cannon! :beer:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5904/picture101y.jpg

[GregStrangis]

That looks pretty good, I love to see how you guys approach robots and such at highpoly and how much you can bring down to the low poly lvl. Can't wait to see him fully built out!

[tewicks]

Thanks man,

Bit more done on the gun. working on the part where the arm attaches to it now.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8326/59820007.jpg

[Xidon]

Absolutely, Positively Fantastic dude :thumbsup: Some more wicked work. :bowdown:

[Spartistic]

Thats looking realy great man :drool: if this is the quality we can expect to see this is going to be one amazing piece... Keep it up mate

[Verasl]

Very mint man, all I can say is kick ass, can't wait to see it finished.

[MartinNielsen]

Tight poly modeling :beer: I like the details so much on this model :)

[tewicks]

Glad you fellows like it :buttrock:

Blocked out the join/middle of the gun. Quite a difficult area, basically the flesh fuses from the arm onto the weapon. Should look pretty badass when it's done.

If anyone has any crit on the rail cannon please share :) I need to get onto detailing the body tomorrow after I finish the gun.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/685/61177902.jpg

[DeadInTheAttic]

Perhaps just add one or two elements, which might be loose, something like hoses or a munition belt, chains or something like that. Perhaps a link between the body and this weapon?

[Mrguy]

Starting to look very cool! Good job thus far.

[tewicks]

DeadInTheAttic - cheers for that, was thinking of something along the lines of a munition belt. Will get onto that when I start detailing the character.

Finished the gun, still may be a few things to add etc, but I'm moving onto the body now.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7619/56148833.jpg

[Yone]

WOW really cool design.

I'm really tempted to make a machine but I'll stick to deamons for now :beer:

Love the weapon design

[Abrvpt]

Great modeling so far. Can't wait to see your organic pass ! ;)

[tewicks]

Thanks, glad you like it :)

Bit of a WIP on the back, added some ammunition belts (placeholder at the moment)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1328/gen01.jpg

[tewicks]

update.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6064/gen02.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

Mate! This is looking pritty awesome. Seem to be getting a good amount done to. Hopefully I can be as productive as you sometime.
Keep up the good work. Looking foward to seeing more

[tewicks]

Cheers David, have been going hard this weekend. Good luck with yours!

Had a go at sculpting the arms in zbrush.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8705/gen03.jpg

[ersinerturk]

since my first post for your first sketch you had really good progress. awesome weapon design. keep it coming!

[Ataulfo]

Great stuff:thumbsup:
keep it up:beer:

[hakanpersson]

Niiice! I have no valuable input at the moment, just that it looks damn good. Keep on working:)

[tewicks]

Thanks fellows! :buttrock:

Been doing some tests to see if I can get the zbrushed organic mesh back into maya for normal map generation. Will be easier this way. Seems to be working at the moment, using a reducing tool to get the polycount bearable.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7152/gen04.jpg

[Spartistic]

you continue to impress me with your work :bowdown: keep it man

[Xidon]

Fantastic dude. Looking great. Just wandering if you need more shoulder definition on the back of his arm. Its looking very flat for the muscle groups. But i'm no expert on anatomy so I could be wrong. Any way, something to think about. :applause:

[Darkra]

this is really starting look look great! Cant get enough of the details around his arm.

The only thing that looks slightly out of sorts to me is that his soulder looks like it's locked into position? maybe slightly pulling out the edge of the shoulder pad where it meets the arm just a bit more so that he could posibly lift his arm if he wanted too?

Other than that, model is gooking grand, with good topology and really nice siloette! :thumbsup:

Keep it up :thumbsup:

[tewicks]

Cheers for the crit, you are both probably right, I will look into changing that once I get the bottom half done, because I will be able to see how it looks overall.

[tewicks]

Genzen lower body:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/291/gen05.jpg

[Xidon]

Sweetastic dude. looking mighty fine. I love you're hard body style on this model. :drool:

[tewicks]

Hey all, completed my high poly. Onto the lowpoly next!

C&C welcome :)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/623/gen06.jpg

[Xidon]

Sweetastic dude. Can't wait to see him posed. Just a few touch ups need dude. There is a flat spot (being Picky) on his shoulder in the bottom right pic, and his thighs could be a bit wider.
All good though. Its looking Sweet :bowdown:

[Verasl]

Kick ass. that's all i can say, can't wait for the pose and some colour.

Tho i kinda agree with xidon, maybe a little wider, looks great on the side profile.
:beer:

[tewicks]

-- quickly worked up a low poly for the arm/gun at lunch. bit messy, but it works :D which I am happy about.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1391/gennormal.jpg

[Xidon]

Nice test, the arm came out real mint.

[vikramvr]

The high poly model is sweet. Love the gun the most. I'm just wondering if the gun can use up some more poly's?

[tewicks]

Cheers Xizon :)

vikramvr - Hey glad you like the gun. I think I worded my comment wrong... or just didn't explain enough. I will block out the low poly of the entire model first, then go back and add detail with what tris I have left, so this is just a starting point. I will most likely be adding quite a bit more res to the guns

[Galvaniseoil]

Hey mate,
Looking really good. Even though the gun is only blocked out roughly at the moment the hirez map is coming through real nice
Keep up the good work

[tewicks]

Small update... leg normal map progress

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2126/gen07.jpg

[Xidon]

Hey nice way of showing off you high poly nomral and low poly. :thumbsup: Its looking very good. Keep it up, cant wait to see the rest of the low poly. :wip:

[Spartistic]

Looking good man :thumbsup:, by the looks of it you have used this process quite a few times, it works realy well, keep it up man

[tewicks]

Thanks guys,

Spartistic - Actually this is my first time using normal maps, so I'm pretty happy with how it is turning out.

Nearly finished the low poly, will post an update later on tonight.

[GregStrangis]

Good job so far on the normals, this is my first time as well learning how to use them properly also. Fun times teaching yourself fun times. Keep up the great work!

[tewicks]

Hey all,

This is my low poly with the normal map applied. Still a WIP but looking to finalize it tomorrow with touch ups in photoshop etc.

Just wanted to see if anyone can point out any areas they feel that don't look right before I do a final pass over it.

Still have under 200 tris left which I will most likely be putting into the ammo belts.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5229/gen08.jpg

[vikramvr]

Very nice transfer. Love the way your character is shaping up.

[HitmonDavis]

I really like your character. Top three of the wips I've seen. You have a nice contrast between hardsurface and organic surfaces. I agree with putting the extra tris into the ammo belt.

[tewicks]

Cheers guys, thanks for the support.

I have been baking maps and fine tuning the uv's. Here is the model with normal and occlusion maps applied (viewport screengrab)

The model is sitting exactly on 10,000 tris too :D
Next will be the diffuse texture.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7639/genzenlowpoly.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

Hey mate,
Looking good. Great that you could use your full poly count :thumbsup:
Looking foward to seeing the texturing progress

[Xidon]

Sweet I wont be at this stage till saturday at earliest lol.

[Verasl]

Maaaaaadd.

This is gonna look amazing once you get some colour on it. :thumbsup:

[Spartistic]

Agreed with Verasl

[tewicks]

Cheers fellas,

Been working on the diffuse, and rigged the character.

Just busted out a quick pose, which is in no way final.

Screen grab from maya:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/121/genpose.jpg

[Xidon]

Sweet. Textures are coming along nicely. The pose is real weird. very hard to see whats happening with his legs. His arms look like he is proding someone, but I feel those cannins that his arm are are more for blowing away his enemys, and nit proding them. Have you made a full rig for it, or just enough to pose it for this?

[Galvaniseoil]

Hey man. This is coming along pritty nicely. I sorta agree with Xidon on the pose thing though. Sorta get the feeling that he is running at something and kinda turning and I really like the idea of the pose. Just that you really can't tell what the feet are doing that clearly. Maybe a different angle the shows the legs a little better would work for you.
Know you said it's not final yet. Just some food for thought.
Now lets bring it home!!!

[QuantumPixel]

you definitely need to fix that pose on your current post page at the front of this thread I can hardly see what I am looking at. its killing your model. Makes it seam like your trying to hide the legs.

[tewicks]

Yeah I have no intention of using that pose for the final, was merely a test. I probably should not have posted it as it was really just to show my progress on the diffuse map, not to get a crit on the pose xD

[tewicks]

Hey all,

Been working on the textures still. This is something I was playing around with. Trying to figure out the mood of the character.

viewport screengrab again with some post in photoshop

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/373/picture4chg.png

[Xidon]

Very nice. Looking way better than the other pose. Keep up the great work. :thumbsup:

[Verasl]

Nice work on the textures, they are coming along great.
Loving the top half of the pose. Keep it up :beer:

[tewicks]

Cheers fellas.

I have started on the base and worked on the pose.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8146/uodate.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

hey man, looking really cool.
This is more of an idea than a critique but have you thought about maybe changing the hue of his skin to more of a human kinda hue. Keep the saturation down but just hint at more of a fleshy idea about the skin. Just thinking at the moment that the skin doesn't distinguish itself from the machine enough.
Also bout the pose, I think I liked the pose before this one a little better, was a little more dynamic.
Anywho just little things that are ideas more than anything.
Looking very nice.

[hakanpersson]

I'd like to see a winning pose much reversed from what you have done it. Much more identical posing of his legs and up his torso too. This is not a character that I feel rants around much, he stands there, with a grand posture and his huge weapons, rather waiting for his enemies to come. He could perhaps hold one of his weapon in a vertical relaxed pose and the other horizontal. Then maybe just a little rotate his torso so he compensates for the insane weight of the weapon.

I prefer camera from a lower perspective, perhaps even as much as just below the guns.

The color theme of your textures are nice, but I would save the glow for his weapons alone. You could try tweaking tones and values a bit, like adding a slightly tone of color to the skin, and maybe brightening the metal some, maybe play more with it's contrast. Cut the white stripe behind his head also, it mismatches.

You should perhaps increase the contrast and reduce the ambient occlusion some too. Lesser amount of occlusion might increase the impression of size.

And finally a couple minor tweaks on the model. Tweak away some of his high heels on his foot, and compensate by giving him a more relaxed leaned back pose. Plus, fatten up the ammo some, bigger bullets=nastier monster, ya!:twisted:

Uh.. that was quite a lot of info. But maybe it will help you some. Great work anyhow. Best of luck.

[Xidon]

Hey looking great. Base is finally coming along too :thumbsup:

I agree with hakanpersson about the posing. Make it more of a hero shot, as if his is posing rather than in action. One arm could be turn up as if grabbing for a cigar in his mouth but no cigar. The other facing toward the ground, chest poked out a bit with some torso twist.
Looking good though. I also agree with keeping the glow just for his guns.

Galvaniseoil has a good though on the hue of his skin. I think so far the model is all a little too desaturated. Hard picking colour theme though, especially with the colour palette of CGS.

[tewicks]

Cheers for sharing your crits and suggestions guys :D

I'm taking everything into consideration, and as I'm sure you all know, there is only a week left, so for actual model changes etc I will see if I can fit it in

Galvaniseoil - Hey man, skin could use some more color I agree. My initial aim was to make it look dead and decaying, still a lot of work to go on the textures though, so I will be sure to keep working at it.

hakanpersson - The more info the better ;) Thanks dude, always good to get someone else's perspective on a project. I quite liked the pose I did, but I also havn't had that long to take a look at it, so I will have a go with your suggestions, see if that's a better alternative. As for the other bits, I like what you suggested, will try and make as many changes as I can :)

Xidon - Cheers bro, heh lots of changes, will see how things go yeah ;)

[hugemalaka]

looks pretty sweet; i like your mechanical modeling! I think its getting too late near the end of the competetion though to say you should work on the organic part a bit more heh, overall nice job though! good luck

[tewicks]

hugemalaka - yep sadly I need more practice with zbrush and organic things in general xD, cheers, good luck to you too.

Hey all, only been working on the texturing tonight. Put together a real quick render, was going to do more angles but I am tired.

Feel free to offer crit :)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4982/genzentestrender.jpg

[Xidon]

Sweet. nice to see an actual render. I see you have finally got the normals rendering too :beer: Looking good, still seems like the skin possibly needs some colour, but its hard to see if you did with the blue light on. Great all round though. Nice to see some more colour.

[tewicks]

Hey guys, could use some peoples opinions on these poses I have put together.

They are a starting point, and the one I choose will be refined. If you don't like any maybe suggest something better :D

Thanks in advance

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6097/poseselect.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

Hey man,

C is definitely my favourite out of these. Has a really nice "I'm going to stand here while you die!" kinda feel to it. The only thing that I would suggest is to really exagerate it. Maybe have is knees bent a little more and leaning back more to.
Looking really good though whatever you choose. The textures have come out really nice to

[Xidon]

Hard to say. They all need a little more work. I still think the top left one is probably the one to go for. A little more upper body twist. and if possible, to have the head turned upward towards the top of the upper gun. All pretty good though. :buttrock:

[hugemalaka]

we need screenshots to help u

[tewicks]

Thanks for the feedback guys, working on the posing tonight.

I have a question, and I hope that someone can help me...

I have been having some problems when rending my model with the normal map applied in mental ray (maya). It is inverting in some places, but only from certain camera angles. This is happening in some places where I have mirrored my UV's, but my normal map is fine and I am thinking that something is going wrong in the rendering as it all displays fine in the viewport.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure it's just some box I forgot to tick etc :(

[tewicks]

Yeah, I am at work at the moment, I will render something in a couple of hours at lunch which should illustrate the problem, cheers.

[Galvaniseoil]

In my limited knowledge of uv's, when you mirror your geometry the uv's get reversed. This can have the effect. Not sure if you've done this, but when you mirror your geo to get your normals the right way round you have to go in and flip them round. To check this you can press this button:

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr290/Galvanisedoil/Untitled-1.jpg

It can show up if your uv's are flipped. Blue means good. Red means bad.
Don't know if I'm preaching to the choir but thought I'd post just in case. Hope you sort it out soon.

[tewicks]

Yeah cheers man, I was aware of that, and I used to think it was the problem, but seen as it diplays correctly in the viewport, and also at some angles when rendered, it leads me to believe that something else is the problem.

here is a quick render, so once again, the light it hitting the gun as if the surface was inverted.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/531/normals.jpg

[tewicks]

Figured it out, stupid mistake. Had to invert the surface normals of the parts that were playing up. Now everything is working fine. Moving onto the base now, should have updates tonight. Cheers for those who helped.

[StefanoDubay]

i think pose A wins... with a bit of weight shift toward the arm held down!

[tewicks]

Hey all, just thought I would post a 360 playblast of genzen.

Will post some stills later as the gif does it no justice.

Things to note: Ammo belt is missing as the pose is not final, texture is still not finished.

C&C welcome.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7930/genzen.gif

[tewicks]

Textures nearly compete.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8849/genzenbase.jpg

[Galvaniseoil]

Hey man,
Good to see that you got your problem sorted. Textures are looking really cool, so is the base. Keep up the great work.
Looking foward to the finished result

[MartinNielsen]

Nice texture work, and the petistal fits it well also :thumbsup: Have you any plans on improving the lighting?

[Xidon]

Looking real good dude. Im glad you toned down the glow on the ammunition. The base is looking real good now. And as MartinNielsen said, it works real well with your character. :thumbsup:

[tewicks]

Hey all,

This is the lighting I think I will use for the presentation shots. Still a bit of tweaking to do. Crit welcome.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5717/test2htv.jpg

[Xidon]

Looking good dude. be careful though cause some parts are blowing out a bit, like his chest and top of legs and gun. Other than that is great. Good work dude.

[Sova]

Hi.

I realy like the character , expecialy the weapons. I would like to see your character in top 5 good luck and keep up the good work.

Cheers

[tewicks]

Cheers guys, been working on the lighting a bit more for the presentation shot.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8712/presentationx.jpg

[tewicks]

Presentation image:

[see below now]

[Xidon]

Sweet, very, very nice

[tewicks]

Beauty shot, may still be adding more.. to tired to decide at the moment :D

[see below now]

[tewicks]

Well this has been a fun adventure, hope everyone else had a good time working on their projects too.

The time is up for me, so here are most of my final images. I think I will only revisit something if anyone can point out something that is very wrong ;)

C&C welcome as always, and good luck to those putting in the hard hours till the final deadline.

Text image:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5518/genzentext.jpg

Presentation image:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2231/genzenpresentation.jpg

Construction image:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8317/genzenconstruction.jpg

Beauty image:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6831/genzenbeautytemp.jpg

Texture sheets:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7079/genzentexturesheets.jpg

[Xidon]

Fantastic, absolutely fantastic. :beer:

[francomanko]

excellent work mate, well done. :)

[Spartistic]

awesome piece of work mate good to see what you can do :buttrock:

[Verasl]

Madness, I like very much.

love the design and layout, great job, in the top 50 I think :beer:

[Galvaniseoil]

Congrats on finishing. Looks awesome!!!

[tewicks]

Cheers fellas!

I can't wait to see how everyone does. All the :beer: emotions are making me thirsty!

Big thanks to everyone who gave me crit and support through this, could not have done this without you all.

I have revised some of my final images since I posted them, forgot to plaster them with all the required logos, contact details etc... shame though, takes a bit away from the images having to much txt on them (so i made the font real small :D)

[hugemalaka]

nice dude glad to see ur done. feels good huh? lol happy i finished up, you get this feeling of relief haha.

looks good man!

[MartinNielsen]

Cool finish, man :) I really like the smoke in the beauty shot :thumbsup:

[Darkra]

wow, u've got some sh*t hot rendering skills up your sleeve. Really took it up a few knotches.

Love it! :thumbsup: hope to see ur work in the finals.

[tewicks]

Thanks again guys,

Darkra - Thanks bro, really just did heaps of research for the lighting etc, was pretty crap at lighting/rendering before I started on this project. Pretty good that I am learning so much :D

MartinNielse - Cheers :)

hugemalaka - Yeah, it feels very good to be done! Its great that I was able to do this while also working. Glad you like it :)

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