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birdman03
03-18-2009, 06:24 PM
hi,everyone~what a war!
I want to make a cyborg or a war machine so far,to protect the sector maybe~story haven't been finished yet~:P
however,i have some questions about cyborg:
It's a "comprised of living body parts fused together with mechanical additions",so could the "living body parts" be any living creatures like animals or even an organ?
It didn't mention it's size, so could it be very large as a boss-size?
I would be appreciate if someone could tell me!:bowdown:Thank you!

5.6.updated
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/125/3/3/dmill2_by_birdman03.jpg

5.1.updated
http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/120/f/3/dmodelf_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/121/a/2/dmodelback_by_birdman03.jpg

4.29.updated
http://th08.deviantart.com/fs42/300W/i/2009/118/1/f/dill1_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/118/7/5/dmodlea_by_birdman03.jpg

4.13.updated
I:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/096/4/f/dvki_by_birdman03.jpg
III:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/102/4/c/dvkiii_by_birdman03.jpg
IV:
http://fc13.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/102/e/4/dvkiv_by_birdman03.jpg


3.23.updated
http://fc63.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/082/1/6/dvkvfs_by_birdman03.jpg

birdman03
03-18-2009, 06:32 PM
some sketches~give me some advice:bowdown:
http://fc89.deviantart.com/fs44/f/2009/077/0/c/d1_by_birdman03.jpg
Is this an old idea?it just came to my mind so directly...
http://fc71.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/077/5/b/d2_by_birdman03.jpg
Could a cyborg be as big as this size?:curious:

ersinerturk
03-18-2009, 06:58 PM
hmm, i've never imagined a non-human shaped cyborg. i guess animal cyborgs are ok. which organ are you planning to use?

kblackwd
03-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Cyborg is a mix between artificial and what humans are. So you would be making a cyborg, but can you mix a "norm" and a robot? is that allowed?

Omnidzyne
03-18-2009, 09:44 PM
Good question. I think it is but no magic allowed for them because they arent fully organic.
Oh yeah and I like it dude :drool: I cant wait to see the final product.

birdman03
03-19-2009, 06:43 PM
o~i see~thanks for reply!

ersinerturk: i think~..the organ is...brain!~ha,kidding~maybe just a head..
kblackwd: i thought so but,wiki says that the original meaning should including not just human so..is it the same meaning here? And i won't mix it with "Norm",it can't use magic.Thanks for reminding!
Omnidzyne: I think so,ha~Thank you!

here's still some sketch and an animal cyborg attempt,could it be?~and give me some advices,thank you!
http://fc92.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/078/6/a/d3_by_birdman03.jpg

molynext
03-19-2009, 06:51 PM
From Wikipedia: A cyborg is a cybernetic organism (i.e., an organism that has both artificial and natural systems).

So, to be clear, a cyborg doesn't necessarily have to have human characteristics...

Looking good so far - sketches have a "Ghost in the Shell" feel.

birdman03
03-19-2009, 07:18 PM
some sketches improved
and still a question: Can a cyborg be as big as this(top left)?
http://fc81.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/078/b/0/d2b_by_birdman03.jpg
and i thought about the story,i found that it fits Valkyrie well!~this war,could be Ragnarök(final destiny of the gods),machines are the gods of mechanical century~and before the war, these unique girls are chosen by the gods to armmed as unique senior cyborgs(Valkyrie).Valkyries are top fighters,and they go to war field to pick the dead creatures to rebuild them as normal cyborg fighters,to fight for the gods(machines),eliminate other living things...i may change its name for Valkyriel,ha(-riel for holy,saint~i remember)

still the story could be more complete,ha~but the design should be most important~
i'm still wondering whelther this one had appeared?does it have something wrong?could it be something else?
Comment and Critque are very welcome!~thank you!

birdman03
03-20-2009, 02:47 AM
molynext:ye~i really like GIS~ but it won't be good if this looks too simulate...ha

rubbergumlovinbear
03-20-2009, 04:16 AM
the concept sounds great to me :) i also like you silhouettes, especially the cyborg-centaur shapes look promising... They'd also fit very good to your story, as valkyries were mounted i think

birdman03
03-20-2009, 12:41 PM
Thank you for reply!~I just still don't know whether a cyborg could be so big as a war machine?
Would it be confused with war machines?

birdman03
03-20-2009, 05:38 PM
still don't have clear image~just some doodle on one of them~
Does it look unoriginal or have appeared somewhere else?(i'm not so sure)
How do you feel about it? Tell me what you think~
http://fc37.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/079/f/5/dvk1_by_birdman03.jpg

birdman03
03-20-2009, 06:13 PM
maybe it could turn into war machine if big size cyborg is not allowed~

i don't want to tie my thought so soon~some other sketches
Which do you think is better? What changes can i do? Give me some thoughts~thank you!
http://fc77.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/079/7/c/dtd_by_birdman03.jpg

Omnidzyne
03-20-2009, 06:32 PM
#'s 1, 4, and 7 are hot. I'm curious see them developed just a little.

birdman03
03-21-2009, 08:26 AM
Ah~ i see. i may develop #1 for war machine~
however,how's the previous one?Did something simulate appear before?

birdman03
03-21-2009, 02:51 PM
some develop on #1~ seems not so close to it... how's?

http://fc62.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/080/6/5/dwm1_by_birdman03.jpg

stridiggio
03-21-2009, 06:11 PM
I like it!, I think the scale is more for a war machine than a cyborg, but is great. :thumbsup:

birdman03
03-22-2009, 06:17 PM
o~yea,stridiggio,thank you! maybe i still like to try a cyborg~ maybe i would develop more on the previous one~the only doubt about it is that whether it's original enough...

MR
03-22-2009, 06:42 PM
very nice
i wouldn`t go back to the first one... like you said the design looks too familiar it reminds me of a pod-racer in Episode I. i like the big war machine i can formaly see how it moves...
keep goning:thumbsup:

OKMER
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Great start.I like doodle 5.
Good luck and lots of fun!

birdman03
03-23-2009, 03:07 AM
OKMER:Thank you!i haven't concept about it yet~

Mraaflaub:o~you reminded me what to avoid~thank you!It looks like podracer maybe because its structure is not clear enough~i haven't had a farther idea about the big one yet~maybe i'd develop more about the previous one to convince myself not to do it,ha~

If it doesn't look good,just say directly,thank you!

pdriggett
03-23-2009, 03:28 AM
I'm actually very keen on #8 and #9. #8 looks like an absolutely enormous mechanical wasp to me.

DerrickSong
03-23-2009, 04:04 AM
i like the concept number 9, the silloutte look good, cant wait to see more good concept from u, keep it up!

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walrus
03-23-2009, 02:20 PM
I really like your sketch on the top of post #12. While technically it could be a cyborg, there's just such a large machine-organic ratio and so little human or bipedal shape to it that it screams war machine instead of cyborg. Pretty cool looking one, too. Good luck with whichever you choose!

birdman03
03-23-2009, 03:05 PM
thank you guys!~
DerrickSong,pdriggett:i may develop or combine them~ha!thank you!~wasp!you reminded me!
walrus:o~thank you! you mean the #12 reply posted by me? ha~i may develop more choices to release i guess~

Hellgaurdian
03-23-2009, 03:32 PM
Hey yanwen, I just luv ur concepts.. awesome stuff.. i like the female centaur kind alookin cyborg the most.. looked awesome..

birdman03
03-23-2009, 04:19 PM
some more about the pre one~Actually, i did this a day before~i think i want it looks heavy,hovering,full-ammo type~

I don't want it has arms maybe,replaced by a spear and a shield,not a gun~and the shield and spear could be rotated and swung in a small angle~the mobility is provided by the jet engine and/or magnetic levitation system~ maybe it could launch missle or something~not Funnel,ha

how's it? if it is not going well,maybe i should start to develop something else and a new story~XP

http://fc63.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/082/1/6/dvkvfs_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc59.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/082/0/d/dvkvf1_by_birdman03.jpghttp://fc17.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/082/1/5/dvkvf2_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc24.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/082/8/6/dvkvf3_by_birdman03.jpghttp://fc03.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/082/d/9/dvkvf4_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc54.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/082/4/3/dvkb_by_birdman03.jpg

pdriggett
03-23-2009, 04:47 PM
http://fc54.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/082/4/3/dvkb_by_birdman03.jpg

Okay you convinced me, this is the one you should go with.

QuantumPixel
03-23-2009, 09:29 PM
these are very cool designs keep up the good work. You can see how the structure and silhouette is working really well maybe upgrade to more of an epic wepon or add in some extra secondary wepons.

FrozZT
03-24-2009, 12:34 AM
Hey man.. You've got some nice stuff here. I think it works fine, im not really into clean mecha typ stuff tough.. I do see you have alot of skill and creativity. Sounds like your not to certain of it yourself, go with your gut feeling man, thats always best! If you feel like its the concept you want to go with, do it. If you doubt it you might want to start experimenting and thinking about what you really want. Just some thoughts.. Keep up the good work!

-Niklas

birdman03
03-24-2009, 04:25 PM
Thank you for your support,men!~

pdriggett: thanks for your opinion! glad to see you again!~

QuantumPixel: o!that's an idea i haven't got!~thank you!

FrozZT: o man! u've got my mind!~i'm really not certain! you're right~i think i would go some concepts further at the same time~and see what i really want then~ha! thank you!


Cheers guys!

DanielCortes
03-24-2009, 09:29 PM
I like how it’s coming, but I think it needs something that the viewer can relate to…like an identity, like it’s a little un personal. Well if that made any sense to you you’re a hero, it’s hard to express.

Here you can find some pretty wild cyborg ideas, the guys at masiveblack are nuts!!!

http://massiveblack.com/mbNew/html/concept5.shtml

birdman03
03-25-2009, 05:58 PM
live2contage: thank you for your advice!~ u mean i need something common (as charateristic of cyborgs) to let people feel that it is? those cyborgs are really awesome! good samples~thanks a lot!

aeonseraph
03-25-2009, 07:57 PM
Great mecha concepts mate!:thumbsup:
Keep up the good work, :beer:
And wish U Good luck in your creative process! :arteest:

Armand

Ferx
03-25-2009, 08:02 PM
Hey Birdman,

Really cool concept and sketches, like a lot your last update and the organic and machine link, great!! Cant wait to see more updates on your concept! Cheers!! :beer:

birdman03
03-26-2009, 07:11 PM
aeonseraph,Ferx: thank you mate!~i'm glad you like it~cheers!

i suddenly felt that the one i was working on is just like a pilot more than a cyborg~isn't it?
so i tried a muscle-like version~it could be some kind of moster/artificial muscle that is easier to be controled by a living body than a cpu.so let the cpu control a living body in order to control the mighty muscle reformed gear~ ha,sounds weirdly:curious: ~

anyway,i need to learn to be wilder~
meanwhile,i may make it into a warmachine~try more possiblility~hehe! give me some advices~thank you!
http://fc11.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/085/e/6/dvm1_by_birdman03.jpghttp://fc27.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/085/d/1/dvm1b_by_birdman03.jpg
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg228/scaled.php?server=228&filename=vm1c.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480

http://fc85.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/085/3/e/dwm2_by_birdman03.jpg

Seven
03-26-2009, 07:14 PM
Really like your latest concept, reminds me of panzer dragoon saga... which is no bad thing! Man i loved that game.

birdman03
03-27-2009, 05:17 AM
hi,Seven~really? what a pity i've missed that game!~:scream: Thank you!

superdbdb
03-29-2009, 06:44 PM
cheers! Keep it on!

birdman03
03-30-2009, 06:23 PM
here's some fast sketch to develop other possiblity~ hope to get some suggestion~thank you!
http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/089/b/3/dvm1c_by_birdman03.jpg

http://fc33.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/089/d/8/dvm1d_by_birdman03.jpg

rhemrev
03-30-2009, 08:20 PM
Hey man, nice stuff sofar! You really have a knack for tech designs, it's soo not my thing :P

Of all your designs sofar, I think the first one on page 2 is the strongest. This sketch has what most of the other sketches lack; familiar shapes people can relate to. The sketch I like looks like an animal about to jump on his pray, almost like a panther or something. Your other designs seem more generic and with less character (eventhough wonderfully drawn). :)

Anyway, nice stuff, looking forward to your next explorations!

-Edwin

birdman03
03-31-2009, 03:24 AM
hi,rhemrev~ thank you for giving me some words to the point!~i do need to make it not generic~ about the war machine,i'm happy u like it! but i'm not ready for it yet~ my brain now is filled with many versions of the flying cyborg~so currently i gonna make it a little more complete,to see how it works~ really appreciate your comment!

Woogity
03-31-2009, 04:44 PM
Very cool concept man, reminds me of one of the bosses of FFX. i think i prefer the smoothed aromor groups that you have in the latest small version as opposed to the large, large seems a buit visually noisy to me where as the other holds great balance.


-Woog

birdman03
04-13-2009, 04:01 AM
hi,~it's been a long time since i didn't do anything~

now i focus on the cyborg and develop something~ although i prefer the I and III,i still put them here for some comments and suggestions~ thank you!

the colours are not final,just for seperate and define them~
no matter what it looks at the front,it is full of some kind of jet engine at the back
back:
http://fc12.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/102/3/7/dvkbk_by_birdman03.jpg

I:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/096/4/f/dvki_by_birdman03.jpg

II:
http://fc13.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/096/3/6/dvkii_by_birdman03.jpg

III:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/102/4/c/dvkiii_by_birdman03.jpg

IV:
http://fc13.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/102/e/4/dvkiv_by_birdman03.jpg

V:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/102/6/c/dvkv_by_birdman03.jpg

VI:
http://fc18.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/102/e/2/dvkvi_by_birdman03.jpg

VII:
http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/102/d/7/dvkvii_by_birdman03.jpg

ersinerturk
04-13-2009, 05:54 AM
you're doing good. my favourites are 2, 4 and 7. they have more powerful silhouettes compared to other options in my opinion. keep it coming!

birdman03
04-13-2009, 03:25 PM
hi,ersinerturk~u reply so soon!~ thank you~i would consider your point~

if something doesn't look good~ just shout it loud,haha !

expecting more opinion~

jayq
04-13-2009, 04:17 PM
I think the second one is better than other,but in fact that is perfect,and I hope you can 深入一点,will be better,I think the last effect will amazing ,good luck!

birdman03
04-14-2009, 06:10 PM
thank you!~ keep it on!~ cheers!

MR
04-19-2009, 10:44 PM
hey birdman03, nice concepts. My favorite is nr.7 followed by nr3. But i have one thing to say; they are all very symmetrical. I would make one of his "arms" bigger or longer. That`s why i prefere nr.7 but also there could be more asymmetry. i hope I could help a bit.
Cheers

birdman03
04-25-2009, 05:23 AM
hi,MR~i like the way you tell the reason for what you like!~

about the symmetrical,i've considered about not letting it look much heavier on oneside than the other,for it's a flying gear~ but after a period for not seeing it,i sense some same feeling as yours. so i would make some experiment on it. thank you!
cheers!

birdman03
04-28-2009, 01:00 PM
after some developing~ this's the detail of head for model sheet
c&c are welcome!


http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/118/7/5/dmodlea_by_birdman03.jpg

staticpen
04-28-2009, 05:33 PM
Looks like a boss for Breath of Fire III or something. I dig your style, man. Keep it up. :)

birdman03
04-28-2009, 06:10 PM
here's a test of composition
give me some suggestion ~thank you!

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/118/1/f/dill1_by_birdman03.jpg

QuantumPixel
04-28-2009, 06:28 PM
I can see those in an epic battle for sure.

birdman03
05-01-2009, 10:41 AM
here's update of final front and back views~ i need to move faster~
critics r welcome

http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/120/f/3/dmodelf_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/121/a/2/dmodelback_by_birdman03.jpg

staticpen
05-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Man, seeing it "in action" so to speak, with the perspective and the colors is really cool.

As far as the composition, these are my thoughts:

You're filling the frame with action, which I like, but it seems a little crowded. What I did in the following paintover was mostly just expand the canvas a bit wider and move a couple things around. I also adjusted the position and angle of a few things, including the background ship and your character's lance.
The top two images are yours (normal and armature view) and the bottom two are my illustrated thoughts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/staticpen/birdmanpaintover.jpg

Phill99
05-02-2009, 01:29 AM
Cool lookin robots man! Keep it up

birdman03
05-02-2009, 06:30 AM
hi,staticpen,thanks a lot! u've done me a big favour!
a friend told me it was crowed too, which in his words:lacking a place for breathing.

but,which feazed me most is the balance between showing the design and painting an image~
i didn't mean to make it so big at first,but i'm afraid it's not big enough to show the details~ so i dragged the character as big as the canvas~ but since it doesn't look good from many people,maybe i could try it looser on composition~

so maybe there is no strictly balance between showing design and painting image~maybe there's only emphasis on one of them~but i'm still not so sure which meet the requirement better~
thank you very much!at least you've given me a way~!

birdman03
05-04-2009, 06:54 AM
2 right views updated

http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/123/b/8/dmsidea_by_birdman03.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/123/3/1/dmsideb_by_birdman03.jpg

has to be hurry..~ cheers everyone!

staticpen
05-04-2009, 08:05 PM
Looking good. :D

DanielCortes
05-04-2009, 11:16 PM
your work has progresed a lot, keep it up, I love the modle. Just make sure you charicter dosent get lost in all the action. Hope to see more!

birdman03
05-06-2009, 03:22 AM
thank you guys !

thanks for your advice,live2contage~i'm also figuring out about not to get lost~

and here's a further trying about composition~ considering the maximum showing and the crowed like staticpen said,i decided to give it more space on top and bottom~
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/125/3/3/dmill2_by_birdman03.jpg

welcome comments always!

staticpen
05-06-2009, 05:37 AM
Nice! I can really see the design much better now. It looks good with the team colors, too. I like that you have more space above and below the character now, but the sides restrict the movement of the piece in my opinion. Room on the left side of the frame at the least would give the impression that the character is flying out of the clouds. With such a tight horizontal framing I get the impression that the character is static, floating instead of flying.

Great work so far!

staticpen
05-11-2009, 05:10 AM
Woo! Awesome sheets, man. Looks sharp.

birdman03
05-11-2009, 05:11 AM
o~ thank you! hehe~ it's been so busy these days... cheers man!

here's final concept sheet and modeling sheet
http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs42/i/2009/130/c/c/fcs_by_birdman03.jpg

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/130/e/b/fms_by_birdman03.jpg

Woogity
05-11-2009, 01:12 PM
very nice work, awesome job on the modeling sheet too, this would be a treat to work off of!

-Woog

birdman03
05-12-2009, 06:45 PM
ah~ almost out of my skill.... can't go any further right now~
hope give me some help~man

http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs43/i/2009/132/6/8/dill3_by_birdman03.jpg

DanielCortes
05-12-2009, 07:21 PM
yeah I know how you feel all the way, its a bit frustrating but you just got to keep pushing. I don't really have any useful advice, besides that, I'm a real amateur myself. I think your stuff is looking real good. Maybe just finish up some details on the birds and such, also give it a rest for a couple of days that helps. Nos vemos, big hug bro! :wavey:

birdman03
05-18-2009, 06:27 AM
thank you man!~ u've got the point,thank you for your advice!~
it's really a mess these days~i got to finish my thesis at the very same date! i've been having sleep less than 4 hours per day for 3 days~ Jesus!

but i can't die! keep fighting!

here's the text image
http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs45/i/2009/137/7/1/ftm_by_birdman03.jpg

birdman03
05-18-2009, 12:09 PM
final illustrate and thumbnail

i know still there much to do could make it better,but i have no time to think~
if anyone could give me some suggest i would be appreciate!~!~!~ T.T

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/138/b/9/ffi_by_birdman03.jpg

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/138/e/d/ffth_by_birdman03.jpg

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