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JMValentino
03-13-2009, 02:52 AM
my wife says the sleeping figure don't look like she fits in the pic. Thanks for any feed back

DArcy1
03-13-2009, 03:46 AM
She's right, but neither does a lot of stuff I'm afraid. The biggest thing is that you've used photos with different lighting - those rocks on the bottom left look to have been shot in daylight with the sun low from the left, but this is a nighttime image. In the moonlight the shadows will be the same color as your sky, the highlights a pale white. You won't see any green. Now if there is a street light or something then you'll get daylight colors where the light hits.

From a composition point of view, having her tucked off in the corner like that is a bad idea. There is also no narrative connection between her and death. Mostly looking at it I end up going off in my head and saying "why on earth is a naked butterfly girl having a nap in a cemetary, and why does death care?"

I think this has some potential; you do need to figure out your light sources, and a story for why all these things have come together that you can communicate visually. Post another version and we'll try to help.

Cheers

D'Acy

LogicLost
03-13-2009, 03:48 AM
I think the whole scene is to bright as for a nigh, epecialy foreground. It's destroying mood and atmosphere, but that's just my though, I can be wrong ;]

JMValentino
03-13-2009, 03:57 AM
Thanks !!! She said see i told ya soo... ha ha ... i will get working on it and post up the changes .. thanks again to some good info

DArcy1
03-13-2009, 04:19 AM
The basic rule is this: you wife is always right. Remember that and all will be well :scream:


D.

JMValentino
03-13-2009, 03:06 PM
words to live by ! thank you !
here is start of changes

LogicLost
03-14-2009, 02:52 AM
I'm not any pro or specialist but one thing [of many:p ] I'v learned here so far is to not using pure black in color pic's. Use darkest shade of sky for your shadows instead


I hope that make any sense to you :)

DArcy1
03-14-2009, 03:48 AM
I was thinking more like this, I hope you don't mind the paintover - it's so hard to explain in words sometimes. You can see all the day colors are muted and bluer.

If you are wondering, I just duplicated the layer, used hue/saturation ("colorise" on) to make it all a nice saturated blue, and set the new layer to "darken". Flattened the image then used the dodge tool to pull out some quick highlights on Death (who you did a really decent job on, by the way). Oh- and added a bit of mist with the airbrush.

Cheers

D.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3458/3352158605_0df3871a31_o.jpg

JMValentino
03-14-2009, 04:29 AM
Looks better .. I don't mind the paintover - it helped me see what to trying to explain. Thanks for spending the time to help me see a bit better, PS wife likes it better Too :thumbsup: ! When I get it finished i post it up again

DArcy1
03-14-2009, 04:48 AM
Glad to help


D.

p.s. just looking through your portfolio and notice you use photos of figures/background at times - unless you took the shots yourself or have paid for them, you may have to worry about copyright infringement - a big issue here. It's also considered good taste here to acknowledge when you have used photos / Poser in your work vs painting every element.

Hamzter
03-14-2009, 04:55 PM
It might be just me but the perspective of the tower thing on the right looks off, as though it's leaning backwards, not sure how you'd fix it mind, maybe some careful adjustments with the liquify tool? Also the stuff on the gravestone on the left (moss?) is too bright, since it's on the shadowed side.

Same goes for the grim reaper, assuming he's wearing black, the lit parts should be darker than the lit parts of the gravestones. Saying that however, you want to keep focus on him, which might be tricky when he's darker than the surroundings...

Hope that helps, I'm still at early stages of learning myself too however, so take this with a pinch of salt :)

JMValentino
03-16-2009, 01:49 AM
here are the photos i shot on one of my many trips. and the final image. C&C

JMValentino
03-16-2009, 01:50 AM
not sure how to post pic in window big

DArcy1
03-16-2009, 03:43 AM
Now this is 10 times better than that 1st one you posted. The colors really provide a grim mood(although I'd kill the purple on that tombstone to the right), and I note you've adjusted the composition slightly so Death is more prominent. Nice depth of focus effect as well - I really like the added stone to the left as well. Good job :thumbsup:


D.

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