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Najan
03-09-2009, 07:37 PM
I'm sorry, as I couldn't find the answer with Google, I wonder if someone with more experience could help me answering two questions about illustration and animation shading.

So the first question is : How could we named the 2D art/illustration imitating the cartoon/anime coloring ? I read about the term “Cel-shading”, but is that alright as a term for an illustration ? (Isn't the term more used for a 3D rendering?)

And the second one : Which was the first cartoon using more than one color for a character ? As I could remember and see, the first cartoons was using one plain color for filling a character or some part for the background – I remembered the Walt Disney one, sorry, were the first one coming in my mind...

I was told that the Japanese anime was the one introducing the character filling with several color but I was doubtful without any valuable proof. And I don't know enough about animation history for confirming that hypothesis. Does anyone know more about coloring and shading ?

derwonder
03-10-2009, 11:16 AM
cell shading is a technique used in animation where you take a clear plastic sheet with lineart on one side then painted on the other, it is an old technique used for some time you can reproduce it easily in photoshop with the multiply command on the layers function,

in 3d it is also used to get the same effect like what you would see in the latest game of prince of persia

dbclemons
03-11-2009, 02:40 AM
...And the second one : Which was the first cartoon using more than one color for a character ? ...

Winsor Mcay in the 1890s made animations of his "Little Nemo" characters that were hand tinted, but "The Debut of Thomas Cat" by John Bray is often credited as the first drawn animated film in color made in 1920. I think there was another film before that that was made with animated puppets.

Lunatique
03-11-2009, 09:02 AM
Winsor Mcay in the 1890s made animations of his "Little Nemo" characters that were hand tinted, but "The Debut of Thomas Cat" by John Bray is often credited as the first drawn animated film in color made in 1920. I think there was another film before that that was made with animated puppets.

I don't think that's what he's asking. He's asking about using more than one value for a color to depict form shadows and cast shadows and highlights.

derwonder
03-11-2009, 11:00 AM
flesh tones are the near lightest orange or yellow in the light area and near saturated red in the shade area, black isn't usually a good idea since it muddies the color

as for shadows you can even use purple as a shadow as that's a complement color to yellow, tetsuya nomura (the FF game designer) used this in his early portraits

for values I think there are only 3 types if that's what your's asking for
(highlight,midtone and shadow )

I've seen japanese even color their lineart and I'm looking for ways to emulate how that's done



hope that helped

Lunatique
03-11-2009, 11:30 AM
flesh tones are the near lightest orange or yellow in the light area and near saturated red in the shade area, black isn't usually a good idea since it muddies the color

as for shadows you can even use purple as a shadow as that's a complement color to yellow, tetsuya nomura (the FF game designer) used this in his early portraits

for values I think there are only 3 types if that's what your's asking for
(highlight,midtone and shadow )

He didn't ask about what colors to use--he's asking about the correct terminology when used in illustration instead of animation (cel shading is the only term I think that's kind of universal across the board for both). His second question is who/what production invented the style if using more than one flat value in the colors to depict form and convey dimensionality.

The colors you suggested are subjective to only one instance. You can use ANY color you want for flesh depending on the lighting situation in the scene. If a character is standing in bright direct sun light, the colors you'd use would be very different than if the character is sitting in a dark living room at night with a lamp. There is no set range of colors for anything--it's one of the most common misconceptions about color. I'm going to be covering this very topic (plus many other critical knowledge) in my upcoming workshop that I'll teach here at cgsociety's CG Workshop.

You can also use as many values as you can get away with without looking too dense and awkward. Many Japanese animation use more than 3 values--sometimes maybe as many as 5 or 6 different values.


I've seen japanese even color their lineart and I'm looking for ways to emulate how that's done

hope that helped

Why not just colorize your line art? There are many different ways to do this in softwares or with traditional mediums. If you tell me what you normally use I can tell you how to get that look.

derwonder
03-12-2009, 03:12 AM
He didn't ask about what colors to use--he's asking about the correct terminology when used in illustration instead of animation (cel shading is the only term I think that's kind of universal across the board for both). His second question is who/what production invented the style if using more than one flat value in the colors to depict form and convey dimensionality.

Why not just colorize your line art? There are many different ways to do this in softwares or with traditional mediums. If you tell me what you normally use I can tell you how to get that look.



I'm using photoshop , If you have any information I could use , I would really appreciate it, any information I can get Is greatly appreciated,

chinese, japanese and koreans have been putting out impressive art styles and it makes me happy to see such wonderful things, I am trying learn their techniques but I have a hard time understanding how it's done because of language,

in one example I saw a tutorial where the line art is not only colored there was one version where the lineart not even shown and the result is a beautiful painting, mr.loomis in his books says that lineart should not be shown in paintings,


if there is anything out there even if it is trivial about making a beautiful image I would very much like to learn it

Lunatique
03-12-2009, 04:33 AM
I'm using photoshop , If you have any information I could use , I would really appreciate it, any information I can get Is greatly appreciated,

chinese, japanese and koreans have been putting out impressive art styles and it makes me happy to see such wonderful things, I am trying learn their techniques but I have a hard time understanding how it's done because of language,

in one example I saw a tutorial where the line art is not only colored there was one version where the lineart not even shown and the result is a beautiful painting, mr.loomis in his books says that lineart should not be shown in paintings,


if there is anything out there even if it is trivial about making a beautiful image I would very much like to learn it

Method 1 - Keep your line art on a separate layer, then bring up Hue/Saturation (control+u). Check the Colorize box, then adjust the Lightness to be lighter, then also adjust the Saturation and Hue to the color you want.

Method 2 - You can also select the layer with the line art, adjust the brightness or lightness to be lighter, then bring up Color Balance (control+B) and adjust the color of the line art.

Method 3 - If your line art is drawn on a white layer and cannot be cleanly separated, then add a new blank layer, fill it with the color you want and change the layer property to Color, then select the layer with the drawing and if the line is black, adjust the brightness or lightness of the layer to a lighter value so the color will affect the line art. You can also use the same process in method 1 and 2 since the white pixels won't be affected.

Method 4 - You can of course also just draw the line art with the color you want, and you can easily change the color whenever you want.

And if you want to show only the coloring without the line art, just turn the line art layer off. But you have to make sure the line art is on a separate layer.

derwonder
03-13-2009, 12:15 AM
much appreciated,thank you

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