HARDCORE MODELING!: 80's Cartoon: Mumm-Ra on steroids

[WyattHarris]

Mumm-Raaaa, the EVER... LIVING! That guy was freaky the first time I saw him.

Good luck, Airflow.

[simjoy]

good stuff mate ...

just making it up as you go ? or are there some 'flow concepts floating around ?

[samartin]

Good to see you here too mate, interesting start, can't wait to see this progress so keep at it fella

[Airflow]

Thanks guys.
Sim, Im kinda winging it. Ill post a concept after hes taken more shape.
Should be an update later on today.

[Airflow]

update
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_02.jpg

[Airflow]

Managed some hands today, hopfully I can sculp them nicer in mud when I get to it.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_03.jpg

[Boone]

ANCIENT SPIRITS OF EEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.... :buttrock:

[Airflow]

Lol
inspiration
http://i33.tinypic.com/2jcbuok.jpg

updates

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_04.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_05.jpg

[Oberyn]

He is beefy! :D Why does he make me think of Hannibal Lector? I keep thinkin he's gonna pop out the kidney line in a sec. hehe

[Airflow]

Latest update. Need to tweak the ear. Not sure about the head gear.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_06.jpg?t=1236963146

[Airflow]

Another update, Just have to do the cobras and some head ornements then I can start on the legs.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_07.jpg

[Airflow]

Latest Updates. Should be onto the lower half now.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_09.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_08-1.jpg

[Boone]

Looking good Mr A. One thing that is bringing this work down - the eyes. Either make them pure white or black. With black he will have that creepy'n'evil "spider" feel about him, but with white eyes he will gain a spiritual aura. Perhaps you could do black-gloss eyes with a glow around the edges of his eyes?

Another suggestion would be to give him cats eyes? There has always been speculation amungst the fans as to whether Mumm-Ra is an Ancient Thundercat himself...

[TheRazorsEdge]

Damn, somehow I missed your entry in this challenge up until now. lol Great to have you aboard as well.

This looking great so far. He already has a lot of character.

There's something about the headpiece that's bothering me though. The modeling is great and I cant quite put a finger on it. Is it going to extend furhter back? Perhaps its the lack of depth, which would make it difficult to "hold" on to the head. I'll let you know once I can pinpiont it. Also that bump looks rather heavy, if you ask me, while the cloth texture looks very nice. The cobras look great, btw. For some reason I really like modeling on the teeth & gums. lol Very well done!

I'm guessing its a bit early to comment on the body anatomy, so I'll wait for your next updates on that.

Cheers!

[Airflow]

Thanks for the crits guys. The anatomy thing, Ive yet do do a proper pass with referance, sofar its all modeled from memory, I used to have a similar physique myself, but waay smaller. The bump on the gold or the cloth, you mean? Theres no bump on the body, all the detail is modeled. But I have done the cat eyse thing and it looks way better. I think with the helmet its quite ungainly, would fall off with out straps which ill add. The design of mum-ra isnt very good, hes more norse than egyptian. But Im trying to make it connect and still feel real. I was thinking of red hair to replace the red cloth coming out of his helm in the cartoon. What do you think?

[samartin]

Looking good so far fella,

Only one crit from me and that's to do with the hands, one too many joints me thinks!?

As for the head-dress/red hair, I like what you have going on now so my vote would be for it to stay, I had to search for a mum-ra reference so is this the alternative you mean with the red hair!?

Mum-ra red (http://i35.tinypic.com/b8vic0.jpg)

Keep at it :)

[simjoy]

I used to have a similar physique myself, but waay smaller. i dont remember you looking like mumm ra Rob ..;)

good progress though mate, keep it up.

[TheRazorsEdge]

The bump on the gold or the cloth ...
I meant on the gold. On the cloth it looks nice.

Looking forward to more updates. :)

Cheers!

[Rofideo]

hello Just to visit your post

If you agged him a little it could be great
I mean change its face to appear like old man, the clothes are very good keep that style


Got it got it!
Bandages.... it must have some bandages, Plus the symbol in the chest.
Keep it blue


See you later

[Airflow]

Thanks for the responses, been a bit busy with work atm.
I dunno about blue, I gotta get a decent zombie colour. Im remodeling the torso now, update that soon, the symbol on the chest will be a tatoo or brand, prefer the brand, its more mystic.. The face will be mudboxed to pit in creases and wrinkles, bandages are coming, so is some other cool stuff, stay tuned. :)

[Airflow]

Latest update, testing out a new gold.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_11.jpg

[RageOfAges]

I haven`t visited in a while. Nice Progress.
There's something about the headpiece that's bothering me though. The modeling is great and I cant quite put a finger on it. Is it going to extend furhter back? Perhaps its the lack of depth, which would make it difficult to "hold" on to the head. I'll let you know once I can pinpiont it.

I had the exact same impression and I think I know what it might be. Googling Egytian headdresses, I think I have come up with a reason/solution (not that there is an error, It looks great, only it could look better fashionwise).
The fold for your headdress starts in behind the ear, whereas when I was looking at images, I saw that the fold actually starts somewhere on the front corner of the forehead. The material apears to be thick, or at least not very suple, so when it tries to fall down around the sides of the head, it actually extends out a little before flowing downwards, creating a ridge that runs along the top/side of the head. Combined with the same effect on the back of the head, there should be a bulk of cloth there making the more angular look that we're used to.

Keep up the good work, man.

-Rage

[Airflow]

Yeah, Im not entirely sure how that works, irs kinda like a hard edge, which when I tried it never really worked, as I have a metal front to his helmet.

[Airflow]

Latest, including enviroment.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_13.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_15.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_12.jpg


Getting close to finishing the preliminary modeling and onto the fun stuff, sculpting and textures.
Any crits before I go ahead, I want the weekend to be just me and mud :)

[RageOfAges]

Haha I know exactly how you feel. Not sure if you were planning on tackling this during the sculpting process, but there's some funky business going on in his palm. It's as if he's grown a tumor on the base of his thumb. This Tumor seems to have grown towards the top of his hand as well. In fact, I would take a little time in the whole hand area. The fingers need to be resized in my opinion, and the transition from forearm to wrist to hand needs a bit of work. Apart from that, I don't see anything else that should be corrected during the modeling process.

Cheers

-Rage

[WyattHarris]

Well, I guess it depends on your design. Mumm-ra the Everliving still has some wrappings on him though not nearly as much as the regular Mumm-ra. And you've got the massive gold armor pieces. It looks good just a bit far from the original.

[Airflow]

Should I dump the gauntlet things and give him somthing closer to the original?

[Airflow]

Ok, last post before I pose him and cut him up to bring into mudbox. Hes been uved. Im not sure about the sandals but I dont have anymore time :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_16.jpg
Ill do a rough concept to get the pose.

[razeverius]

now why did i miss seeing this thread? cool!:buttrock:

[Airflow]

A little test to see how far I could push mudbox. Spent an hour sculpting to see if the whole mesh needs to be cut up or not, looks like I can go another level of detail bove this, but I think this will do. Gonna rig and pose him now, had problems with a ati driver over the weekend, lots of bsod's and uninstalls just to get mudbox working again, those ati drivers are really badly put together.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_17.jpg

[Boone]

I'll be honest and say that I didn't think this was going to work, but once again Mr A you surprise me.

Fantastic work and best of luck to the finishing line. :thumbsup:

[Airflow]

Well I kinda got the feeling you were not the only one :)
Maybey it was the late entry or my lack of continual updates, or maybey the work isnt good enough, the quality on here never ceases to amaze.

[TheRazorsEdge]

It's such a pain sometimes that most people really cannot judge a wip properly. In case of CG, most people are so detail-oriented that they need models to come out of ZB etc for them to even begin to see potential. The crucial point they are missing is, that not finite detail, but silhouette and contour are the primary factors, next to the inital design, determining outcome quality. I can get away with so-so detail on any model, but a bad silhouette can never be remedied by mucho and primo detail. But whatever.....

Anyways, this is continuously looking great, although I cannot really see where you are going with the flow of those wrinkles/lines. It's not exactly muscle fibers, is it!? Right now it just looks kind of weird.

Cheers!

[Airflow]

Thanks, I kinda feel that myself. If its not uber sculpted it dont count as much. I was debating how far to poly model the character as I dont want to too heavily focus on displacements and sculpting, and as a real world test, generally fx companies want as much poly modeled as possible so they have control of the polys and are not totally at the mercy of displacement tweaks to stop spikes and flaws at render time.

Yeah, it was a test to see if I could get away with sculpting the whole basemesh or if I needed to break up the mesh. I took an hour to do the test so it not anatomically based. When Im doing the actual sculpt I will break out the anatomy charts again to decide whats bone, fat, desicated skin, muscle, tendon and veins. Its gonna be difficult because technically he is regenerated when he becomes the super mum-ra, so how much is dead and how much is renewed. Im kinda trying to approch it like it was a vfx shot, thus I tried changing stuff to look more realistic and less toony. I seriously think the design on mum-ra is pretty bad, he looks like an amalgam of different aincent civilisations, mainly viking and saxon. Not very egyptian.
Update in a few mins, I just finished rigging him.

[TheRazorsEdge]

I take it you are working in MB2009? I'm still doing most of my sculpting in MB1, since I cant handle that flat-shaded bug. But for texturing its great. Who needs millions of polys, if you can just paint insanely detailed bump based on texture resolution!?!

Looking forward to your next update.

Cheers!

[Airflow]

Yeah mb2k9 sp2. I had some issues with the latest ati catalyst driver, made anything using dx9 really unstable, so bia hh and mirrors edge would bsod my machine, and mudbox and max would not load. I love texturing in it, its a pleasure, really. Ill use the bump to do pores, and blemshes, I dont wanna really do a disp, more tempted to export the high rez and just render that out. But Ill do tests to see what I can get best.

[TheRazorsEdge]

... I dont wanna really do a disp, more tempted to export the high rez and just render that out. But Ill do tests to see what I can get best.....

Same here. That is, if Maya will let me. I might just have to move over to XSI.

Cheers!

[Airflow]

Update.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumr_19.jpg

[Oberyn]

... HAHAHAHA
Will you kill me if the first thing I thought of on looking at this was a VERY ANGRY Genie?
:D:D:D He's so glowy, I wanna ask him to grant me a wish! I think part of it is the background color; it sorta blends together a little. None of this is really a critique, btw. Just the first thing that popped into my head. hehe

I'll have to agree with previous posters by saying that I like this incarnation better than the sculpt. I think the silhouette you've chosen will be better without micro-detail anyway, because it has a more cartoony feel.

If you just REALLY DO wanna sculpt, I would try to stick to sculpting broader details that emphasize features, rather than trying to go in and show intense wrinkles and stuff.

Awesome stuff so far man. BEEFY!

[Airflow]

The original plan was to do intense detail down to pores and stuff, like a creature shot. The test sculpt was just a kind of play, I plan to have veins popping and lots going on. What he will be reaching for is the sword of omens, so the "on steroids" bit is what happens if he ever got power extreemed so to speak.
Its dark cos I never set the gamma
keep forgetting to do that, all the dark images are that..

[Sepulverture]

not too keen on the speculars used for the gold on his costume. they don't look right to me because of the white reflected light.

Anyway, I'm looking at photos of gold, and I have my own gold coins out and they aren't reflecting white, that's all this on knows

Aside from that and sausage fingers not much else to say at this point.

[Airflow]

Well I know gold dont reflect blue, but the amounts of light in the renders makes the whight highlights.

Updates
finished the sword of omens

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Swordo2.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Swordo.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Swordo3.jpg

[Airflow]

Eye, bump map and poly modeling.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Swordo4.jpg

[Boone]

I like how the Sword is slightly demonic. I tried the Sword a few years ago and this definitely a good design. Awesome work.

[WyattHarris]

Oh wow, Eye of Sauron in a sword. That really has potential Air, great idea.

[razeverius]

wat did you apply to make the sword look so metallic?because i don't know how:D anyway that eye is like Sauron looks cool:applause:

[TheRazorsEdge]

Great work on the sword, it looks very sweet! What kind of material are you using in Max?

Cheers!

[AJ]

Nice sword!

Are you going to have Mumm-Ra reaching out for it?

Also I much prefer the glowing version of the eye of Thundera to the second render.

:D

[Airflow]

Im using a vray material. Its all down to the reflection rolloff or fall off and slight anistrophy in the highlights.
Thanks for the comments.
AJ Ive made it more glowwy and as you guessed hes reaching for it, and it makes him a super Mum-ra, so hes even more sweet and has pump up music wailing in the background.
(See Pump Up (http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) to get the gist of ultimate power from eye based weapons) :)

[RageOfAges]

LOL I forgot all about that site. I almost litteraly was roflmao. Great inspiration, and that guy`s got it right. Ninjas are totally awesome.

-Rage

[Airflow]

Lol, yeah, all major fights in cg is totally sweetly based on one of Robert Hamburger's Ninja pump up scripts. :)
I think theres a new book out based on ghosts and aliens by his cousin.
Obviously I re-read his first book and its sweet ninjaness is kinda taking over. I think the next Hcm should be pirates vs ninja..

[FICTIS]

This is soooo ass kickin'. Very nice job with the crown (or headpiece might me more apropriate) and the sword. This looks awesome, nice job!

[Airflow]

Thaks mate, your in the minority there i think.
Updates
started sculpting proper, should show where I wanna take mumra.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumra20.jpg

[Boone]

"Have you seen my teeth, Vera? I bet that little bastids run off with'em!" :scream:

So yeah, he looks a bit...odd without his "nashers". :wavey:

[Airflow]

Lol, if he has no eyes hows he gonna put in his dentures when he finds em?
Using the hand as warmup, starting to realise why I like mud so much. Now if only the Ati and wacom drivers were upto scratch :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumra21.jpg

[razeverius]

the old man really did take alota steroids:bounce:

[Airflow]

So the corrective sculpting should be done by end of monday, dunno how much time I got left, so tuesday Ill do his textures then do the mid and high range detail passes.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumra22.jpg

[Sponce]

The definition on the wrist is a lot better now, but I feel like the arms don't flow that well into the pectoral muscles.

[Airflow]

I havent really worked on the chest yet, still doing the lower arms and lower legs.

[Airflow]

Foot. Should be done with the other one in about an hour.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumra23.jpg

[raq007]

Amazing work man, I like it..



I wanna say something here, this monster or alien (whatever you called) has human muscles (according to his face they should be extra or different which show he is a really tough and powerful). Im not a character designer, I just saw pic and feel something to say which came in my mind.. but anyhow I really like this work and waiting for its completion.

[Airflow]

Yeah, I kinda want to get him as human and strained as possible before warping the muscles and pushing further.

[Airflow]

Update
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mumra24.jpg
getting close to my fave bit, color.
I need about another days sculpting. And fixes.

[Airflow]

More updates

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra25.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra26.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra27.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra28.jpg


Now for a bit more sculpting then some work on the enviroment and setting up shaders in max.

[Sepulverture]

Nice attention to detail.

[samartin]

Corr Rob you have been busy!

Will this be easy to get into 3DS Max without any issues? Any chance of seeing the base mesh as it stands at the mo'?

Seriously beefy Mumm-ra and lot's of nice detailing going on :) Looking forward to seeing more...

[Airflow]

Thanks

Base mesh in max.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra29.jpg

[Rofideo]

Scuse my inmature coment

The sword is amazing - soo real...but that eye looks more like .... a vagina!

its just me only need to say it

[Airflow]

Yeah, I knew somone would say that, should I redo it?

[TheDrunkSniper]

sweet sculpt and a nice choice, try to make him look a little more rotten and decayed, or maybe not cuz he has transformed. idk just something to think bout. and dont forget the bandages though. keep it up.

[Airflow]

Just done a test in max at 5.8 mill polys, renders in 48 seconds with two area lights and gi/radiosity.
The eye Ill make lsess fleshy and more light

[Airflow]

Feasibility test, gonna try to see If I can handle 12 million polys now

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra30.jpg

[TheRazorsEdge]

Looks very neat!
Damn, Max can handle 12 mio polys? Maya croaks waaay before that and wont even import a 1mio+ mesh. I have to step over into XSI for such things.

Cheers!

[MrMJKnight]

You certainly are making a lot of progress with such immense detail.
I really can't wait to see the final product.

I can't really give any crit, it's all very nice.

Deadline is pretty soon, so get cracking :cool:

[Airflow]

Thanks for the responses guys, nearly there. Maybey a day more till its done.
Base render, this is without fx and debris.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra34.jpg

[Airflow]

Screengrab..
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra35.jpg

[TheDrunkSniper]

love the shot and the angle, but the sword handle looks cg. idk.. the reflections im thinking. but digging the way the bandages came about, and dont forget to make the swords eye glow. you're owning it though bro. cant wait for the final.

[Airflow]

Face render to tesyt all the shaders.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/mummra36.jpg

[razeverius]

why does it somehow remind me of Jafar in Aladdin for no reason lol. btw i'm loving that shot :buttrock:

[samartin]

Love how the porcelain render brings out the details such as the veins, you have been pumping the detail in!

Can't wait to see the final beauty render, not long to go now!!

PS. It might be worth you starting a thread in the general discussions about a London meet, be good to get a range of skills to talk about anything and everything. From my perspective, I might be taking a contract over in Bristol and obviously I would have to move, so May might not be a good time, I'm still awaiting confirmation!!! Would be great to meet up again as it's been a long long time! I'll keep you posted...

[Boone]

Its getting there, but I suggest adding some upper fangs - which can suggest either a snake or a cat...

[Airflow]

So the final is rendering, should be done by the time I finish this post.
Heres a small version as I have to do post process.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/MummraFinal_pre.jpg

[Airflow]

Final Hero image. Just the turnarounds and wireframes to go now.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/MumraFinal.jpg

[jhasse]

nice, good luck :wavey:

[JasonTonks]

Very cool idea and final result. Good job man!

[TheRazorsEdge]

Very sweet!

Personally, I feel the yellow of the glow is dominating too much of the overall color comp and some more contrast might make the whole thing more dynamic and visually appealing.

Cheers and congrats for finishing! :)

[razeverius]

awesome, but wait. He's not blue anymore:shrug:

[Airflow]

Thanks goes out to everybody who posted in here, its appreciated.

Lol, well technically he was kinda an mix of yellow, blue and purple, like a bruise, gave him that undead look.
I think Ill re-render the final in a better angle and knock back the flames to balance it abit more. I just wanted to get my stand in renders done now, as I remeber the last minute problems I had on the Starwars Tribute, (Submitted with seconds to go).
So here are the other images, Cant seem to find the finals thread, though I saw it 2 days ago.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Wire2.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Wire.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Back-1.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Front.jpg




http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Top-1.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Right.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Left-1.jpg




Some of these are similar, I was trying to get a good show of detail


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail9.jpg








http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail7.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail6.jpg

[Airflow]

More...

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail5.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail4.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Detail3.jpg

[Boone]

An absolute Herculean effort, and its been worth the wait.

I am really lost for words as it is absolutely stunning.

[samartin]

Well done fella, looks great, I also agree with Felix about a little more contrast, I thought I'd try a auto-level in PS, and this brings out some of the blue. Looking forward to seeing the new angle and again well done on a great piece and highly detailed it is too...

[Airflow]

Cool, means I can move on to another entry. Im doing the bike from akira.

[MrMJKnight]

Looking absolutely fantastic there Rob, it has definately been worthwhile.
Good luck with the results, I can't see you having much difficulty ;)

[razeverius]

whoa that last shot close of looks cool :D here's that thread just incase you can;t find it again http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=208&t=752040

[TheRazorsEdge]

I like some of the new angles a lot better. They really show off more of your great work in much better ways. I'd probably go with the first one in post #89 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=5805904&postcount=89).

Cheers!

[Airflow]

Heres the final with the position better altered.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l295/airflowzero/Final_MummRa.jpg

[AJ]

Hey Rob - congratulations on getting him finished!

I really love the broken up ground/pedestal... How did you do it?

In compositional terms, he's getting a bit lost in all the surrounding colour/information.. If the light source threw him into stronger contrast & shadow it could help add some definition. I also think some motion blur on the rocks & debris would really help push it.

Good luck!

AJ

[RageOfAges]

You did a great job on this Rob.

I gotta be honest and tell you I wasn't crazy about it at the beginning. The gemoetry masses were harsh and jarring, and your renders were kinda crazy. I was interested though and kept following closely. Towards the 2nd half of the challenge it really took off. Constant updates and dedication I believe made this entry what it was. The pose is VERY convincing and you can really see the power coursing through him based on this and his expression as well. Over all you ended up with a really great entry IMO.

You didn't get any of my votes but there was a couple categories where you were a close second (best diorama was the closest), So I wanted to take the time and at least give you a mention here on your thread.

A great job on Mumm-Ra, my friend, and I'm really happy for you that you got it entered on time. Keep up the good work.

-Rage

[Airflow]

Yeah, thanks guys.

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