Stankluv
03-05-2009, 04:10 AM
well, what it says.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Pixanaut
03-27-2009, 03:45 AM
Lets have a short story-off... like the Hardcore Modeling Challenge... 10 pages (no more), one month for a short story.
First though, it might be helpful for beginners to have a sticky thread covering the basics of story and character arc structures.
Short films are generally much harder to write because every word counts. I recently wrote one with a 10 page maximum limit (actually 9, because the last minute roughly is held for credits). It's tough to have a well rounded character in that amount of time, and tough to hit the traditional story marks of inciting incident, plot points, midpoint, climax, denouement, etc... Sometimes in short form, you don't have to hit all of those beats, but it's potentially a really good training ground for longer scripts if you can pull it off.
SO, perhaps like the HMC, the moderator would post a genre, and all of the scripts have to be within that genre, 10 pages or less, and have at least one character and one clear objective.
My only concern with this is that it would need to be known that your story could get swiped if it's posted online. You could register ($20USD) with the Writer's Guild of America West at www.wga.org (http://www.wga.org) and post the finished script online with the registration number... or with the Library of Congress (though I've never done that before)
Or perhaps CGTalk could set up their own registry... that might be an advantage for them anyways. It would have to be a simple submission process, and the digital files would have to be archived forever, but it could be a great service for the members of CGTalk who love to write. Free for Society members, $5 for everyone else?
Since writing covers all genre's and live action as well as animation, I would suggest that it not be limited to animated shorts, although I imagine that plenty of them would fall into that category. I think it's more beneficial to just write the story, then pick the best medium to convey the message. Obviously 'Oktapodi' couldn't be done live action, but something like 'Geri's Game' could be (using twins)...
Story will always be king.
Just a thought.
First though, it might be helpful for beginners to have a sticky thread covering the basics of story and character arc structures.
Short films are generally much harder to write because every word counts. I recently wrote one with a 10 page maximum limit (actually 9, because the last minute roughly is held for credits). It's tough to have a well rounded character in that amount of time, and tough to hit the traditional story marks of inciting incident, plot points, midpoint, climax, denouement, etc... Sometimes in short form, you don't have to hit all of those beats, but it's potentially a really good training ground for longer scripts if you can pull it off.
SO, perhaps like the HMC, the moderator would post a genre, and all of the scripts have to be within that genre, 10 pages or less, and have at least one character and one clear objective.
My only concern with this is that it would need to be known that your story could get swiped if it's posted online. You could register ($20USD) with the Writer's Guild of America West at www.wga.org (http://www.wga.org) and post the finished script online with the registration number... or with the Library of Congress (though I've never done that before)
Or perhaps CGTalk could set up their own registry... that might be an advantage for them anyways. It would have to be a simple submission process, and the digital files would have to be archived forever, but it could be a great service for the members of CGTalk who love to write. Free for Society members, $5 for everyone else?
Since writing covers all genre's and live action as well as animation, I would suggest that it not be limited to animated shorts, although I imagine that plenty of them would fall into that category. I think it's more beneficial to just write the story, then pick the best medium to convey the message. Obviously 'Oktapodi' couldn't be done live action, but something like 'Geri's Game' could be (using twins)...
Story will always be king.
Just a thought.
kelgy
03-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Maybe it needs more visual threads.
People post samples of their storyboards or script formats.
Or even links to professional examples. Could be useful.
People post samples of their storyboards or script formats.
Or even links to professional examples. Could be useful.
AJE
03-27-2009, 08:17 PM
I don't think so. Writer's write, and that's what they should be doing.
Having tons of visuals takes the focus off writing and puts it further
along the development process.
This thread should be for learning the craft of writing, how to show
visuals through text.
Having tons of visuals takes the focus off writing and puts it further
along the development process.
This thread should be for learning the craft of writing, how to show
visuals through text.
kelgy
03-27-2009, 08:37 PM
But the forum is called Scripting, storyboarding and concept creation.
AJE
03-27-2009, 09:39 PM
But the forum is called Scripting, storyboarding and concept creation.
True. My bad.
True. My bad.
SubDProxy
04-18-2009, 05:17 AM
I like old Sci-Fi Mags from the 30's and 40's. It helps me think when I read them. Some of the stories that used to show up in the old Startling Tales and other magazines used to be written just by looking at the picture. Basically, when the writers were in a slump an artist would develop a picture and then writers would develop a story from that. The writer who wrote the best story to it is the one that got published and was paid. Ahh, the Depression years....
Just an idea: Forum Moderator submits a picture. One that can stimulate the mind. Basically an Action shot. Example: A man is strapped to a table in a laboratory. He is surrounded by two alien creatures that are about to operate on him. The two alien creatures have their back to him. Another human figure is their about to untie him. In the background is a window looking outside to an underground city. The End.
Submission: Members write a treatment and develop storyboards for the picture. Forum Moderator decides if the picture happens in the beginning middle or end. Personally I would like to have at least two choices. Not just one.
Rules: Can not be longer than 20 Panels. Black and White or Color. Can show concepts or must show concepts. Have 30 days to complete.
Well, those are my ideas. I hope it helps. Good luck.
Junior
Just an idea: Forum Moderator submits a picture. One that can stimulate the mind. Basically an Action shot. Example: A man is strapped to a table in a laboratory. He is surrounded by two alien creatures that are about to operate on him. The two alien creatures have their back to him. Another human figure is their about to untie him. In the background is a window looking outside to an underground city. The End.
Submission: Members write a treatment and develop storyboards for the picture. Forum Moderator decides if the picture happens in the beginning middle or end. Personally I would like to have at least two choices. Not just one.
Rules: Can not be longer than 20 Panels. Black and White or Color. Can show concepts or must show concepts. Have 30 days to complete.
Well, those are my ideas. I hope it helps. Good luck.
Junior
durbdk
04-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I like the short story write-off idea, but instead of 10 pages, let's do it with only one.
One A4 sheet; a full story, anything goes (within forum guidelines). This would enable a rapid turn-over, the stories will be short enough to post and a one page story will definitely stretch your writing chops! Include or don't include art, it would be up to you, but the art would strictly be for illustration and not taken into account when selecting the best story.
We could even make it so everyone starts from the same idea, be it first sentence, a headline or an image, or....
What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and maybe we could get some sponsorship, though I am sure it would be at a much less extravagant level than in the graphic forums.
Sound off, what do you think? I have lots of ideas... :)
One A4 sheet; a full story, anything goes (within forum guidelines). This would enable a rapid turn-over, the stories will be short enough to post and a one page story will definitely stretch your writing chops! Include or don't include art, it would be up to you, but the art would strictly be for illustration and not taken into account when selecting the best story.
We could even make it so everyone starts from the same idea, be it first sentence, a headline or an image, or....
What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts, and maybe we could get some sponsorship, though I am sure it would be at a much less extravagant level than in the graphic forums.
Sound off, what do you think? I have lots of ideas... :)
kelgy
04-27-2009, 04:34 PM
I like the picture inspiring a story idea. I have a scenario for that image already. :)
The only trouble with it might be if enough people partake, then you may get overlapping concepts(similar endings etc), assuming it matters. If its an idea for a picture, as opposed to an actual picture with designs spelled out, then some people may focus on the story, while others may focus on the concept design. Maybe that would help keep variety.
I dont know.
shrug
The only trouble with it might be if enough people partake, then you may get overlapping concepts(similar endings etc), assuming it matters. If its an idea for a picture, as opposed to an actual picture with designs spelled out, then some people may focus on the story, while others may focus on the concept design. Maybe that would help keep variety.
I dont know.
shrug
SubDProxy
05-05-2009, 09:23 PM
Everybody has great ideas, and I am up for anything. So, when does the moderator make the final decision?
Junior
Junior
Creepfree
05-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Hey everyone!
I know maybe it's not the best idea,but why not to start carry out smth. like little storyboadring challenges,not even challenges maybe but kinda "look what i can" :).Let's say there is basic plot.For instance:a man is peering out of a train's compartment window and suddenly...So an artist will have to develop this prelude into a short story,illustrating it with a storyboard.Yeah,something like this.What do you guys think about it?
I know maybe it's not the best idea,but why not to start carry out smth. like little storyboadring challenges,not even challenges maybe but kinda "look what i can" :).Let's say there is basic plot.For instance:a man is peering out of a train's compartment window and suddenly...So an artist will have to develop this prelude into a short story,illustrating it with a storyboard.Yeah,something like this.What do you guys think about it?
matsman
05-09-2009, 06:17 PM
Hej... nice discussion here!
I tried a few times already to get more creative stuff going here...
I had my story writing course, which was rather successful, but basicly died (I really want to do more with it, but I need some motivation and time) for those interested to give me feedback and, or motivation or direction, it is still available here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=537234
And I also tried to do a minichallenge type of thing with screenwriting, named the Micro Screen Writing Challenge (MSWC).
It was shaped after the mini game art competitions I really enjoyed, but are not active anymore since evey gameartist has changed to gameartisans.org? (daughter site, since a year or so, not actually sure on the name)
But basically there were three of us and all of us ran out of time on the last one (3rd) so that idea died too...
Those are also still available:
MSWC#1 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=616933&highlight=MSWC)
MSWC#2 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=633887&highlight=MSWC)
MSWC#3 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=645562&highlight=MSWC)
So there is really nothing stopping someone to start something, just time and people willing to keep it all alive :). I am willing to start or moderate a new initiative since CG and storytelling are two of my favourite things ^_^
The biggest problem I see is just the amount of time it takes to do a story, in writing it is time consuming... in drawings even more so.
But if you talk 1a4 page of story, like a comicbook layout, 9-12 panels, that should be doable in a weekend... even with some colour. Sounds like fun!
I tried a few times already to get more creative stuff going here...
I had my story writing course, which was rather successful, but basicly died (I really want to do more with it, but I need some motivation and time) for those interested to give me feedback and, or motivation or direction, it is still available here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=537234
And I also tried to do a minichallenge type of thing with screenwriting, named the Micro Screen Writing Challenge (MSWC).
It was shaped after the mini game art competitions I really enjoyed, but are not active anymore since evey gameartist has changed to gameartisans.org? (daughter site, since a year or so, not actually sure on the name)
But basically there were three of us and all of us ran out of time on the last one (3rd) so that idea died too...
Those are also still available:
MSWC#1 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=616933&highlight=MSWC)
MSWC#2 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=633887&highlight=MSWC)
MSWC#3 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=645562&highlight=MSWC)
So there is really nothing stopping someone to start something, just time and people willing to keep it all alive :). I am willing to start or moderate a new initiative since CG and storytelling are two of my favourite things ^_^
The biggest problem I see is just the amount of time it takes to do a story, in writing it is time consuming... in drawings even more so.
But if you talk 1a4 page of story, like a comicbook layout, 9-12 panels, that should be doable in a weekend... even with some colour. Sounds like fun!
Creepfree
05-10-2009, 07:34 PM
Hey matsman!
Well,yeah you're right-it takes time.On the other hand everyting takes time if you want to make smth. good:).Maybe the problem is that screenwriting and storyboard's creation (esp. writing) do not have such a huge community like let's say CG has itself.(just my assumption:)).Eventually most people (i suggest) will spend half a minute watching pretty renderings in galleries rather then reading scripts,even short scripts.We all like spetecular sights and images,that's just the way it works (my poing of view:)).
Well,yeah you're right-it takes time.On the other hand everyting takes time if you want to make smth. good:).Maybe the problem is that screenwriting and storyboard's creation (esp. writing) do not have such a huge community like let's say CG has itself.(just my assumption:)).Eventually most people (i suggest) will spend half a minute watching pretty renderings in galleries rather then reading scripts,even short scripts.We all like spetecular sights and images,that's just the way it works (my poing of view:)).
matsman
05-11-2009, 06:59 AM
Let me first say sorry if I sound a little negative. That is not what I intend to do. I don't want to bring down anyone who is interested in giving this part of the forum a little more life. And seeing at least 6 people having participated in this thread I think there is a start.
I think Creepfree is right though in saying that the storytelling community here on cgtalk isn't that big... since they all have their own specialised fora... just like what happened to the game artists :)
But that said nothing is stopping anyone to change that. If you have a few active members, others will soon follow... and if you create a few fun activities that don't take too much time all those lurkers [I know you are out there :P lol] will possibly come out to play as well.
So I say lets put that storyboarding thing into motion, if there are enough participants.
and let me summarize the idea you guys came up with:
The moderator would start by posting 2 or 3 pictures that stimulate the mind. Possibly from the sketch thread for ultimate cgtalkness :p
Then there are 30 days to create a story from your chosen picture. These can be text only or presented in storyboard form. (I think that making art mandatory gets more views, but less participants so lets keep that one open)
I think 10 pages is a good length for a month so lets go with that.
Which leaves judging... who will do the judging, or will there be a voting system like the HCM challenges?
Something I have heard before, and is a real fear for writers I get: My only concern with this is that it would need to be known that your story could get swiped if it's posted online.
My previous and half solution was: If you attach a document to the post instead of typing/pasting directly into the window only members can download and look at the story, which makes the world a lot smaller already.
CGtalk members swiping you story I can do nothing about, but on the other hand, we are creative right, we can write something new again... and keep your most original ideas to yourself... if there is still something that can be considered original (I think so, but opinions differ :) )
I think Creepfree is right though in saying that the storytelling community here on cgtalk isn't that big... since they all have their own specialised fora... just like what happened to the game artists :)
But that said nothing is stopping anyone to change that. If you have a few active members, others will soon follow... and if you create a few fun activities that don't take too much time all those lurkers [I know you are out there :P lol] will possibly come out to play as well.
So I say lets put that storyboarding thing into motion, if there are enough participants.
and let me summarize the idea you guys came up with:
The moderator would start by posting 2 or 3 pictures that stimulate the mind. Possibly from the sketch thread for ultimate cgtalkness :p
Then there are 30 days to create a story from your chosen picture. These can be text only or presented in storyboard form. (I think that making art mandatory gets more views, but less participants so lets keep that one open)
I think 10 pages is a good length for a month so lets go with that.
Which leaves judging... who will do the judging, or will there be a voting system like the HCM challenges?
Something I have heard before, and is a real fear for writers I get: My only concern with this is that it would need to be known that your story could get swiped if it's posted online.
My previous and half solution was: If you attach a document to the post instead of typing/pasting directly into the window only members can download and look at the story, which makes the world a lot smaller already.
CGtalk members swiping you story I can do nothing about, but on the other hand, we are creative right, we can write something new again... and keep your most original ideas to yourself... if there is still something that can be considered original (I think so, but opinions differ :) )
ThaNemesis
05-12-2009, 06:16 AM
I'm always down with writing some short stories. This is what I think we should do. Some of these are ideas that people already suggested that I think would be good here:
Picture Story:Juniordebo's idea, the mod picks a picture, and off that picture you have to develop a short story. In my opinion a short story is one to two pages. Anything goes but it has to tie into the picture somehow.
Time Span for Challenge: A week
Example: Its a picture of a dark gloomy barn. Many things could be going on. Maybe a bunch of gangsters are meeting up for an exchange, an serial killer is prepping his next subject, etc.
After School Special: Pixanaut's idea, the mod gives how many characters and the situation the film. You have 10 pages to write a script, 10 pages because most is going to be dialogue.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
Example: Two characters standing in the rain waiting for the bus. A character in the kitchen waiting for someone/something, etc.
Go Lucky! Productions: A storyboarding challenge, between the top three stories of the After School Special or a mod choosing the subject. I rather go with picking one of the top three After School Special scripts since its already develop to where someone could come in to storyboard the script. But maybe people won't like to do it that way or have different ideas.
Example: One of the top scripts were about a couple having a fight. You would have to storyboard the script and be judge on how well you capture the essence of the scene.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
Three is a Charm: You form a team of three people, one will write a short story, the next person will take that short story and form a script into it. The last person will form a storyboard of the script. Basically all three in one but with a team.
Example: Tony wrote a short story about a girl and her pony. Jimmy took the short story and form it into a script. Making sure to check with Tony about changes Jimmy had to make in order to make it great script. Kate takes the script and forms a storyboard making sure to check with both Tony and Jimmy to see if she is getting each scene correct.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
I think voting should be a community thing. Everyone should have a say on who should win. Since its not about winning but getting better at your art.
This is just what went through my mind as I read through the thread. Sorry for the bad examples, especially the one with the girl and her pony. But I think we are off to a good start to get something going here. Whatever is decided I'm down for the challenge.
Picture Story:Juniordebo's idea, the mod picks a picture, and off that picture you have to develop a short story. In my opinion a short story is one to two pages. Anything goes but it has to tie into the picture somehow.
Time Span for Challenge: A week
Example: Its a picture of a dark gloomy barn. Many things could be going on. Maybe a bunch of gangsters are meeting up for an exchange, an serial killer is prepping his next subject, etc.
After School Special: Pixanaut's idea, the mod gives how many characters and the situation the film. You have 10 pages to write a script, 10 pages because most is going to be dialogue.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
Example: Two characters standing in the rain waiting for the bus. A character in the kitchen waiting for someone/something, etc.
Go Lucky! Productions: A storyboarding challenge, between the top three stories of the After School Special or a mod choosing the subject. I rather go with picking one of the top three After School Special scripts since its already develop to where someone could come in to storyboard the script. But maybe people won't like to do it that way or have different ideas.
Example: One of the top scripts were about a couple having a fight. You would have to storyboard the script and be judge on how well you capture the essence of the scene.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
Three is a Charm: You form a team of three people, one will write a short story, the next person will take that short story and form a script into it. The last person will form a storyboard of the script. Basically all three in one but with a team.
Example: Tony wrote a short story about a girl and her pony. Jimmy took the short story and form it into a script. Making sure to check with Tony about changes Jimmy had to make in order to make it great script. Kate takes the script and forms a storyboard making sure to check with both Tony and Jimmy to see if she is getting each scene correct.
Time Span for Challenge: A month
I think voting should be a community thing. Everyone should have a say on who should win. Since its not about winning but getting better at your art.
This is just what went through my mind as I read through the thread. Sorry for the bad examples, especially the one with the girl and her pony. But I think we are off to a good start to get something going here. Whatever is decided I'm down for the challenge.
Creepfree
05-12-2009, 08:36 AM
Hey everyone!
As matsman said,5-6 participants in discussion-there is start.That's right,and i think it'll be right to plan theese mini-challenges for this ammount of people.(it'll be great if more then one will take part in it:)).ThaNemesis presented some really cool ideas,i like ""picture story" the most.Maybe i'm wrong,but let's start from something simple first,gradually increasing complexity of plots,stories etc.I mean it's great when there is a vivid story with cool characters,sci-fi cars,spectacular kung-fu fights:) etc. but one thing is to write is and another is to implement it in storyboards (excuse me,i'm taking position of storyboard artist most).Even though storyboarding is said to be not about drawing i think it's still crucial component,and so maybe this will terminate some people who would like to participate.I suggest to start from something quite straightforward and maybe even trivial,and see how people will react on it.If there is some kind of activity then it works,if not...well try it after all.Anyway,it's great to see this part of the forum awakening (i hope it will soon):thumbsup:
As matsman said,5-6 participants in discussion-there is start.That's right,and i think it'll be right to plan theese mini-challenges for this ammount of people.(it'll be great if more then one will take part in it:)).ThaNemesis presented some really cool ideas,i like ""picture story" the most.Maybe i'm wrong,but let's start from something simple first,gradually increasing complexity of plots,stories etc.I mean it's great when there is a vivid story with cool characters,sci-fi cars,spectacular kung-fu fights:) etc. but one thing is to write is and another is to implement it in storyboards (excuse me,i'm taking position of storyboard artist most).Even though storyboarding is said to be not about drawing i think it's still crucial component,and so maybe this will terminate some people who would like to participate.I suggest to start from something quite straightforward and maybe even trivial,and see how people will react on it.If there is some kind of activity then it works,if not...well try it after all.Anyway,it's great to see this part of the forum awakening (i hope it will soon):thumbsup:
ThaNemesis
05-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Yea I agree, I think we should start with something small just to do a test run to see how everything will go. Take way we a lot of people do start to some and post here, we will already have a method that has been tested and works.
I agree Creep, I like Juniordebo's idea also. If we were to start with Picture Story, I would increase the challenge time to at least 2 to 3 weeks. I wouldn't make this challenge a month just because its a short story. I know there are some people out there who want to really get something across but I rather save that for another challenge. Plus I think its a good way to get new people interested.
So I say if everyone here agrees to do Picture Story first, let's go ahead and get the full guidelines down and let's get started writing :buttrock:
I agree Creep, I like Juniordebo's idea also. If we were to start with Picture Story, I would increase the challenge time to at least 2 to 3 weeks. I wouldn't make this challenge a month just because its a short story. I know there are some people out there who want to really get something across but I rather save that for another challenge. Plus I think its a good way to get new people interested.
So I say if everyone here agrees to do Picture Story first, let's go ahead and get the full guidelines down and let's get started writing :buttrock:
SubDProxy
05-12-2009, 06:35 PM
CGtalk members swiping you story I can do nothing about, but on the other hand, we are creative right, we can write something new again... and keep your most original ideas to yourself... if there is still something that can be considered original (I think so, but opinions differ :) )
I agree...It is very hard to find original stories.
All these ideas are great, and I am willing to do anything. With that being said, I think we should try and set a goal for the 1st of the month. By the 1st of the month, come up with a plan on how we want to establish this mini challenge.
Any idea works for me.
1.Developing a story from a picture and the winner's story is used for the storyboarding challenge.
and/or
2. Develop storyboards from a treatment.
and/or
3. Just develop a story from a picture, etc.
Judging: A-only participants that submitted work can judge and determine the winner; B-Everyone in the forum can judge for the winner; C-Only CGTalk members can judge the winners since most do not have multiple CGTalk accounts.
A forum moderator will need to oversee the rules.
Format: I prefer a PDF format or a Read-Only Format which is downloaded as an attachment.
Junior
I agree...It is very hard to find original stories.
All these ideas are great, and I am willing to do anything. With that being said, I think we should try and set a goal for the 1st of the month. By the 1st of the month, come up with a plan on how we want to establish this mini challenge.
Any idea works for me.
1.Developing a story from a picture and the winner's story is used for the storyboarding challenge.
and/or
2. Develop storyboards from a treatment.
and/or
3. Just develop a story from a picture, etc.
Judging: A-only participants that submitted work can judge and determine the winner; B-Everyone in the forum can judge for the winner; C-Only CGTalk members can judge the winners since most do not have multiple CGTalk accounts.
A forum moderator will need to oversee the rules.
Format: I prefer a PDF format or a Read-Only Format which is downloaded as an attachment.
Junior
Creepfree
05-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Seems like all participants made up their minds.Now let's see what moderator will do with that.Btw,regarding judging...are you sure that it's needed?:)Let's just do some art and see how many people will join.It's just my opinion though,i look quite sceptical on judging in any forms of art...art is too private too personal sometimes to be adequately understood by the audience.Again,just my thoughts.:)Anyaway,looking forward to mod's decision
ThaNemesis
05-13-2009, 01:39 AM
I agree that we should start our first mini-challenge by the 1st of the month. Seems as if everyone likes the Picture Story one. I'm cool with how Junior explained judging. That seems fair. As far as format goes, I'm cool with PDF. What other guidelines are needed before we can start on the 1st?
SubDProxy
05-13-2009, 03:08 AM
Seems like all participants made up their minds.Now let's see what moderator will do with that.Btw,regarding judging...are you sure that it's needed?:)Let's just do some art and see how many people will join.It's just my opinion though,i look quite sceptical on judging in any forms of art...art is too private too personal sometimes to be adequately understood by the audience.Again,just my thoughts.:)Anyaway,looking forward to mod's decision
Very Good point... :thumbsup:
Who is the moderator for this forum?
Junior
Very Good point... :thumbsup:
Who is the moderator for this forum?
Junior
matsman
05-13-2009, 10:38 AM
Okay lets recap once more... So I understand it right...
The first mini-challenge is going to be short stories, well see what happens later.
We have 2 weeks to create a 2 page a4 story which is derived from a picture. That picture has been posted in a batch of 2-4 so everyone can choose one that suits him/her most.
Entries will be in pdf, in Courier font, 12 point, 10 pitch. No bold, no italics. (I think setting font, font size and pitch will add that everyone has the same amount of space and will improve readability, BTW these I have taken from the micro screenplay writing challenge)
And no judging? I vote that at least there is some feedback given... otherwise the learning is really going to be hindered. And that's why we are doing it right? and for fun :) of course.
So if no judging, than at least everyone should write about what they liked in the stories from others they read.
BTW I don't know who the mod is... I know that my storywriting course have had posts deleted by Equinoxx, Forum Leader so possibly that is your man. I've PM'd him anyway with a link to this thread.
Greetings!
The first mini-challenge is going to be short stories, well see what happens later.
We have 2 weeks to create a 2 page a4 story which is derived from a picture. That picture has been posted in a batch of 2-4 so everyone can choose one that suits him/her most.
Entries will be in pdf, in Courier font, 12 point, 10 pitch. No bold, no italics. (I think setting font, font size and pitch will add that everyone has the same amount of space and will improve readability, BTW these I have taken from the micro screenplay writing challenge)
And no judging? I vote that at least there is some feedback given... otherwise the learning is really going to be hindered. And that's why we are doing it right? and for fun :) of course.
So if no judging, than at least everyone should write about what they liked in the stories from others they read.
BTW I don't know who the mod is... I know that my storywriting course have had posts deleted by Equinoxx, Forum Leader so possibly that is your man. I've PM'd him anyway with a link to this thread.
Greetings!
ThaNemesis
05-13-2009, 05:54 PM
I'm against the no judging. I think everyone here is a mature professional and can take not winning and getting upset because people think his story, storyboard, or script is better than the next man. To me it just strives me to do better the next time. So I vote for some form of judging.
matsman
05-19-2009, 07:55 AM
Hej...
I couldn't take the waiting anymore... so I forwarded my previous "PM to equinoxx" towards Roberto. The motto was "take it to the man"
Roberto is forum leader and hosts some the challenges, like the HardCore Modeling Challenge and daily sketch threads.
So if anyone knows what to do it's him :)
Okay waiting commences anew :p
Greetings!
I couldn't take the waiting anymore... so I forwarded my previous "PM to equinoxx" towards Roberto. The motto was "take it to the man"
Roberto is forum leader and hosts some the challenges, like the HardCore Modeling Challenge and daily sketch threads.
So if anyone knows what to do it's him :)
Okay waiting commences anew :p
Greetings!
matsman
05-19-2009, 11:00 PM
Roberto replied:
That is an awesome idea...
I wil lshare this with my guys at the DSF...
One thing I would like to try is to post a TOPIC for an image.
That you guys could pick.
(DSF is the Daily Sketch Forum)
So we can give a list of topics I think... starting with drama and suspense... So start calling those shots, what would you like to write about?
What genre, male, female, creature, childrens illustrations, seastuff? you say it, we make a list, and Roberto will see if the people at the daily sketch forums are into it :)
That is an awesome idea...
I wil lshare this with my guys at the DSF...
One thing I would like to try is to post a TOPIC for an image.
That you guys could pick.
(DSF is the Daily Sketch Forum)
So we can give a list of topics I think... starting with drama and suspense... So start calling those shots, what would you like to write about?
What genre, male, female, creature, childrens illustrations, seastuff? you say it, we make a list, and Roberto will see if the people at the daily sketch forums are into it :)
Pixanaut
05-19-2009, 11:22 PM
Okay lets recap once more... So I understand it right...
The first mini-challenge is going to be short stories, well see what happens later.
We have 2 weeks to create a 2 page a4 story which is derived from a picture.
Did I read that right? 2 weeks for a 2 page story? Or is that 2-4 page story?
The reason I ask is that if there is dialogue, that eats up your page count. I would adjust that to 'up to 6 pages' because two pages is simply too short. You lose a lot of nuance because you have to cut it down soooo much to fit the 2 page limit. With short films, every line of text counts. I recently wrote a 10 page script for a 10 minute short, and it was a real test of my patience. I don't want to see the craft of writing cut out of this process because people are basically reduced to writing stories in point form disguised as sentences. Also, you don't get any cadence in 2 pages.
I suggest 6 as a minimum, realistically, we should be looking more in the ten to fifteen (to be edited down to ten) page range.
JMHO
The first mini-challenge is going to be short stories, well see what happens later.
We have 2 weeks to create a 2 page a4 story which is derived from a picture.
Did I read that right? 2 weeks for a 2 page story? Or is that 2-4 page story?
The reason I ask is that if there is dialogue, that eats up your page count. I would adjust that to 'up to 6 pages' because two pages is simply too short. You lose a lot of nuance because you have to cut it down soooo much to fit the 2 page limit. With short films, every line of text counts. I recently wrote a 10 page script for a 10 minute short, and it was a real test of my patience. I don't want to see the craft of writing cut out of this process because people are basically reduced to writing stories in point form disguised as sentences. Also, you don't get any cadence in 2 pages.
I suggest 6 as a minimum, realistically, we should be looking more in the ten to fifteen (to be edited down to ten) page range.
JMHO
matsman
05-24-2009, 07:56 PM
Actually you make a good point.
I am not totally agreeing since I enjoy the challenge of creating something small but still fun and refreshing within 2 pages.
And dialogue takes more room... but we are not writing a script format but a short story so that is also not too extreme.
I am all down with upping the page count to a maximum of 6... but 10-15 pages for me becomes work and is not writeable in one or two sittings, which is realistically the time I want to spend at something like this.
So the actual reason for going two pages in two weeks is to keep the threshold low so anyone could enter but still enjoy a challenge.
But as I said 2-6 is also okay with me since that leaves a bit more room for minimalists and gives enough freedom for cadence (I love that word)
That said. Is there no one reading this any more?
As per my last post I called on you to write some subjects you'd like to write about.
The deal is that the daily sketch people draw about those subjects, giving us the images to be inspired by for our stories.
But all this isn't going to happen without the subject list.
SO! Once again if you still think this challenge would be fun to participate in and a good idea to get new people into this forum.
Think along with me and give some subjects you'd like to write about.
I am not totally agreeing since I enjoy the challenge of creating something small but still fun and refreshing within 2 pages.
And dialogue takes more room... but we are not writing a script format but a short story so that is also not too extreme.
I am all down with upping the page count to a maximum of 6... but 10-15 pages for me becomes work and is not writeable in one or two sittings, which is realistically the time I want to spend at something like this.
So the actual reason for going two pages in two weeks is to keep the threshold low so anyone could enter but still enjoy a challenge.
But as I said 2-6 is also okay with me since that leaves a bit more room for minimalists and gives enough freedom for cadence (I love that word)
That said. Is there no one reading this any more?
As per my last post I called on you to write some subjects you'd like to write about.
The deal is that the daily sketch people draw about those subjects, giving us the images to be inspired by for our stories.
But all this isn't going to happen without the subject list.
SO! Once again if you still think this challenge would be fun to participate in and a good idea to get new people into this forum.
Think along with me and give some subjects you'd like to write about.
ThaNemesis
05-24-2009, 10:02 PM
Sorry Matsman, got a 3D model due at the end of the next week, so been working hard on that. Now here is my opinion on it,
10 to 15 pages is TOO LONG. If we were writing a script than yea, 10 to 15 pages would be good since that is like a 10 to 15 min movie. But since its a short story that is way too long. The reason I say 2 pages in two weeks is that you can write a page a week and only spend a couple of min. on it a day and still make the deadline. Plus I think Matsman hit it on the head, since it will be easier for someone to get involved in the challenge if its only like 2 pages. Plus it makes it easier for judging. Now it would be easier since its not that many people here but we are trying to get more people involved.
I'm down with the sketch thing. I think someone should post a sticky and we start filling it up with ideas for them to do but I rather for them to just draw a picture and be like, hey I wonder what kind of story other people can come up with for my character. I think it would be a more natural process. Just my opinion on the matter.
Have we found out who the mod. is for this forum?
10 to 15 pages is TOO LONG. If we were writing a script than yea, 10 to 15 pages would be good since that is like a 10 to 15 min movie. But since its a short story that is way too long. The reason I say 2 pages in two weeks is that you can write a page a week and only spend a couple of min. on it a day and still make the deadline. Plus I think Matsman hit it on the head, since it will be easier for someone to get involved in the challenge if its only like 2 pages. Plus it makes it easier for judging. Now it would be easier since its not that many people here but we are trying to get more people involved.
I'm down with the sketch thing. I think someone should post a sticky and we start filling it up with ideas for them to do but I rather for them to just draw a picture and be like, hey I wonder what kind of story other people can come up with for my character. I think it would be a more natural process. Just my opinion on the matter.
Have we found out who the mod. is for this forum?
matsman
05-25-2009, 12:14 PM
No need to apologize, you are not the only one :)
But to answer your question, no I haven't found out who the moderator is... But I believe Roberto will gladly host the thread.
And why we have to give Roberto a list of subjects to draw about is because that is the way the daily sketch thread works, and we'd be helping him/ them since someone has to come up with these things. It is one hand helping the other so to speak.
But shall I open a new thread then for people to post subject for the images to write about?
It ain't gonna be sticky but that is for later.
But to answer your question, no I haven't found out who the moderator is... But I believe Roberto will gladly host the thread.
And why we have to give Roberto a list of subjects to draw about is because that is the way the daily sketch thread works, and we'd be helping him/ them since someone has to come up with these things. It is one hand helping the other so to speak.
But shall I open a new thread then for people to post subject for the images to write about?
It ain't gonna be sticky but that is for later.
ThaNemesis
05-25-2009, 05:14 PM
Yea, I think you should start another thread, since we know for sure that we can do that. But we have to get ideas in there soon if we still want to make the 1st the start date of our first challenge.
matsman
05-25-2009, 05:55 PM
Check! new thread is up... please start posting topics :)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5886268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5886268#post5886268)
PS. I'll not start posting topics myself as of yet... this was all your ideas so show that you still stand by them.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5886268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5886268#post5886268)
PS. I'll not start posting topics myself as of yet... this was all your ideas so show that you still stand by them.
SubDProxy
05-26-2009, 10:01 PM
I have posted a reply in MAtsman forum about the scriptwriting. Please feel free to comment.
Junior
Junior
ThaNemesis
05-27-2009, 10:02 PM
I also posted a reply in matsman thread. Also can someone fully explain to me what matrix judging is? Since we are doing a short story, I thought we were going to use adobe arcobat 12 point font, I can't remember the style of font though.
I still think we should stick to the 2 page short story. It would take awhile for a judge to read through a couple of 6 page short stories. Plus I think it would attract more people to get interested if this challenge is short. Save the long page story for a challenge that will last a month.
I still think we should stick to the 2 page short story. It would take awhile for a judge to read through a couple of 6 page short stories. Plus I think it would attract more people to get interested if this challenge is short. Save the long page story for a challenge that will last a month.
matsman
05-28-2009, 07:26 AM
ThaNemesis:
I suggested using any word processor you want... using 12 point courier, since that is a scriptwriting standard and has good readability, but it was a suggestion.
And if you can choose between 2 pages or 6 pages I think lends more versatility which is good to attract more people and a 6 page story won't take more than 30 min to read at most... we can set a week to judge, nobody gets hurt.
It's probably a good idea to explain this matrix idea, it isn't that complicated really... here's my try :)
Using a Matrix for judging is helping you dissect the subject(story, game, book, movie) into the same pieces(criteria), no matter what differences exist between different instances of said subject.
Think of matrix judging as reviewing a computer game for instance... there you might look for graphics, game play, story, replay-ability and sound which are the same criteria for each game so you can easily compare and as reviewer (judge) you wont suddenly look for the quality of the tutorial although it might be mentioned.
So the matrix is build from rows with the different subjects (in our case the stories) and at the top row we fill the columns with the criteria.
Then you rate (1-10 or 1-5) the different criteria within the appropriate box and tell in a sentence or two why you chose that rating.
At the end we have a nice overview on what someone thinks about each story and with comparing the ratings we can pick a winner...
What criteria are important have to be discussed, I think dialogue, personality, originality and pacing are important, but that differs so we have to find a nice set of criteria everyone is happy with.
Same goes with the rating system, I prefer one where there is no middle ground since it is too easy to just assign a 3 out of 5 or 5 out of 10... but when you have to rate 1-4 you are forced to choose above or below which makes it harder but gives more honest results
I hope that cleared up the matrix judging, if you still have questions please ask away :)
I suggested using any word processor you want... using 12 point courier, since that is a scriptwriting standard and has good readability, but it was a suggestion.
And if you can choose between 2 pages or 6 pages I think lends more versatility which is good to attract more people and a 6 page story won't take more than 30 min to read at most... we can set a week to judge, nobody gets hurt.
It's probably a good idea to explain this matrix idea, it isn't that complicated really... here's my try :)
Using a Matrix for judging is helping you dissect the subject(story, game, book, movie) into the same pieces(criteria), no matter what differences exist between different instances of said subject.
Think of matrix judging as reviewing a computer game for instance... there you might look for graphics, game play, story, replay-ability and sound which are the same criteria for each game so you can easily compare and as reviewer (judge) you wont suddenly look for the quality of the tutorial although it might be mentioned.
So the matrix is build from rows with the different subjects (in our case the stories) and at the top row we fill the columns with the criteria.
Then you rate (1-10 or 1-5) the different criteria within the appropriate box and tell in a sentence or two why you chose that rating.
At the end we have a nice overview on what someone thinks about each story and with comparing the ratings we can pick a winner...
What criteria are important have to be discussed, I think dialogue, personality, originality and pacing are important, but that differs so we have to find a nice set of criteria everyone is happy with.
Same goes with the rating system, I prefer one where there is no middle ground since it is too easy to just assign a 3 out of 5 or 5 out of 10... but when you have to rate 1-4 you are forced to choose above or below which makes it harder but gives more honest results
I hope that cleared up the matrix judging, if you still have questions please ask away :)
ThaNemesis
05-29-2009, 06:27 AM
Thanks matsman for clearing that up. I think that would be a fair way to go. I think we should go with a 10 point scale. As far as to what to judge on, still thinking about it.
SubDProxy
05-29-2009, 06:26 PM
Okay, I just posted something in the other Forum. But I like the idea of the 10-Point Scale. I am sticking with this forum for now on. Bouncing back and forth to much.
Junior
Junior
RobertoOrtiz
05-29-2009, 06:29 PM
well, I am going to do a future fxwars challenge called
"NEO RACE" based on a new form of racing using mono wheeled electric cars.
Ill post some designs soon.
The thing is that I need a backstory for the challenge.
And maybe some "action" sequences
What do you guys think?
-R
"NEO RACE" based on a new form of racing using mono wheeled electric cars.
Ill post some designs soon.
The thing is that I need a backstory for the challenge.
And maybe some "action" sequences
What do you guys think?
-R
SubDProxy
05-29-2009, 08:52 PM
well, I am going to do a future fxwars challenge called
"NEO RACE" based on a new form of racing using mono wheeled electric cars.
Ill post some designs soon.
The thing is that I need a backstory for the challenge.
And maybe some "action" sequences
What do you guys think?
-R
If you can post some designs I will post a Treatment, actually several Treatments or I can send you the Treatment. The more eyes the better the critiques. But it sounds great! :thumbsup:
"NEO RACE" based on a new form of racing using mono wheeled electric cars.
Ill post some designs soon.
The thing is that I need a backstory for the challenge.
And maybe some "action" sequences
What do you guys think?
-R
If you can post some designs I will post a Treatment, actually several Treatments or I can send you the Treatment. The more eyes the better the critiques. But it sounds great! :thumbsup:
matsman
05-30-2009, 01:39 PM
Hey Roberto!
Als long as it sticks with the Challenge idea I am all for it... If there are some pictures to work of we can write short stories or a script even.
But since june first is around the corner just some quick things we need to clear up.
How long is the story going to be?
Lets do a quick vote count:
2 pages, 6 pages, 10 pages, free choice between 2-6 or 2-10
I think free choice between 2 and 6 pages is ideal for a quick challenge since it will leave room for development if you want it but still keeps you on your toes for not going all out in something you can't finish.
I think 2 weeks is a nice time-limit, if you go longer people will forget or want to do it but can't because they won't do anything the first two weeks and have not enough time any more before the deadline afterwards.
So we first have to clear up these two points.
I hear 2 people wanting to use 10 point courier, so lets do that, gives you a lot more room in low page counts :)
I think we judge each other, using the method described above and according to what criteria we come up with... which should give you a list of where you can improve and some comments to go with it.
So just length and time, oh and paper size... I have no preference but it has to be set, so if anyone has a preference for american letter size or european a4 speak up.
Als long as it sticks with the Challenge idea I am all for it... If there are some pictures to work of we can write short stories or a script even.
But since june first is around the corner just some quick things we need to clear up.
How long is the story going to be?
Lets do a quick vote count:
2 pages, 6 pages, 10 pages, free choice between 2-6 or 2-10
I think free choice between 2 and 6 pages is ideal for a quick challenge since it will leave room for development if you want it but still keeps you on your toes for not going all out in something you can't finish.
I think 2 weeks is a nice time-limit, if you go longer people will forget or want to do it but can't because they won't do anything the first two weeks and have not enough time any more before the deadline afterwards.
So we first have to clear up these two points.
I hear 2 people wanting to use 10 point courier, so lets do that, gives you a lot more room in low page counts :)
I think we judge each other, using the method described above and according to what criteria we come up with... which should give you a list of where you can improve and some comments to go with it.
So just length and time, oh and paper size... I have no preference but it has to be set, so if anyone has a preference for american letter size or european a4 speak up.
RobertoOrtiz
06-01-2009, 05:20 PM
working on the concept art...
(for that give me a few days, as always I am cooking a couple of challenges at the same time)
You can make the treatment as long as you wish,
but keep in mind that the fxwars folks will probably only do less than 30 seconds of animation.
-R
(for that give me a few days, as always I am cooking a couple of challenges at the same time)
You can make the treatment as long as you wish,
but keep in mind that the fxwars folks will probably only do less than 30 seconds of animation.
-R
matsman
06-01-2009, 08:41 PM
Great news. Looking forward to it!
Thank you Roberto!
Thank you Roberto!
ThaNemesis
06-02-2009, 07:52 AM
So, is that everything we need or do we still need to clear some things up?
matsman
06-02-2009, 08:08 AM
Since Roberto is going to use the stories I let him decide what length suits best.
So I think we can brainstorm a bit about judging criteria...
What do you think?
So I think we can brainstorm a bit about judging criteria...
What do you think?
SubDProxy
06-02-2009, 04:55 PM
I have been traveling, sorry for the delay. Great, Can't wait to see some Concept Art.
Junior
Junior
RobertoOrtiz
06-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Coming...
I have been busy at work, but it is coming.
-R
I have been busy at work, but it is coming.
-R
eyesoar
06-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Ask some of the top game developers and animation houses to post their scripts and storyboards from the past to show us noobs how it's done.
kadetkebab
06-15-2009, 06:22 PM
hey what ever happened to the challenge?:hmm:
SubDProxy
06-15-2009, 08:14 PM
I was waiting on a moderator to come back with a response on who is going to moderate and judge this competition.
I propose:
1. Pick a picture We have several to chose from)
2. Rules:
A:
Time Limit: 1 month to complete:
Length: 10 Pages (Not counting cover page)
Concept: To create a story based on a picture. The story can be action, drama, and / or comedy.
Guidelines: Try to be as original as possible. (I understand it is hard to accomplish, but as writers that is what we aim to do).
Format: Europe can use the A4 Format USA can use 8 1/ by 11.
Team or Single: If you do this as a team make sure everyone gets credit.
Judging: I think Matsman stated he would judge but then it would be unfair to some since it only one opinion. CGSociety members in the contest can judge and then we will have a poll at the end of the contest.
Prize: Recognition
I apologize for not posting anything sooner, but I have been very busy at work. Just starting a studio and that is very time consuming.
I would like to hear wheat everyone else has to say about this. I would also like to be a judge and not participate directly to remain unbiased. thanks.
I am also going to post a poll to see how many people would like to join in on the story. So please participate in the poll.
Junior
I propose:
1. Pick a picture We have several to chose from)
2. Rules:
A:
Time Limit: 1 month to complete:
Length: 10 Pages (Not counting cover page)
Concept: To create a story based on a picture. The story can be action, drama, and / or comedy.
Guidelines: Try to be as original as possible. (I understand it is hard to accomplish, but as writers that is what we aim to do).
Format: Europe can use the A4 Format USA can use 8 1/ by 11.
Team or Single: If you do this as a team make sure everyone gets credit.
Judging: I think Matsman stated he would judge but then it would be unfair to some since it only one opinion. CGSociety members in the contest can judge and then we will have a poll at the end of the contest.
Prize: Recognition
I apologize for not posting anything sooner, but I have been very busy at work. Just starting a studio and that is very time consuming.
I would like to hear wheat everyone else has to say about this. I would also like to be a judge and not participate directly to remain unbiased. thanks.
I am also going to post a poll to see how many people would like to join in on the story. So please participate in the poll.
Junior
matsman
06-16-2009, 07:20 AM
Roberto said he needed some time to get pictures for his monowheel idea which would be a major cooperation thing since the pictures would be made by a sketching group... we would make the stories based on that and based on our stories the special fx guys at the FXwars part of the forum would go and make a movie of image based on what we have written... but I agree it has been a week... nothing stopping us to start this ourselves.
I'm in anyway... unless time escapes me like last week, I think I had a total of 3 hours free time not counting me sleeping :(
BTW I have no trouble judging but agree with Juniordebo that a team of judges would be better... I have rather strong opinions sometimes :)
Also I still think a month and 10 pages is too long for me personally I have a tendency to forget halfway through with such a project or become bored with it.
And we should just stick with the either the american or the european format... we all work on a computer with has both options as templates. So lets just keep the 8 1/ by 11 standard... since I think that one is more widely used already in this field.
I'm in anyway... unless time escapes me like last week, I think I had a total of 3 hours free time not counting me sleeping :(
BTW I have no trouble judging but agree with Juniordebo that a team of judges would be better... I have rather strong opinions sometimes :)
Also I still think a month and 10 pages is too long for me personally I have a tendency to forget halfway through with such a project or become bored with it.
And we should just stick with the either the american or the european format... we all work on a computer with has both options as templates. So lets just keep the 8 1/ by 11 standard... since I think that one is more widely used already in this field.
kadetkebab
06-16-2009, 06:36 PM
Well maybe it would be a good idea to PM Roberto and ask him to give you more or less an estimated time frame of when we would have the picture. I agree. I like the idea of using something from the sketch challenge, we use it as a basis for our story challenge and having it go into the FXwars challenge. But if this picture is going to be another couple of weeks, maybe that idea is something to be considered down the line when we wouldn't have to be waiting for one challenge to finish.
And I see we have been sorta back on forth with page count and time frame. I thought it was agreed that is would be between 6-10 pages with a time frame of 2 weeks and the judging being left up to everyone who takes part in the challenge. And the only difference between A4 and US Letter size is a few dots of an inch. So it doesn't really matter. Embrace the differences I say.
I still like the first pic that was chosen...'A trip to the Soulk'
So what do you say?! Wanna PM Roberto Matsman and see where we are with all this?
And I see we have been sorta back on forth with page count and time frame. I thought it was agreed that is would be between 6-10 pages with a time frame of 2 weeks and the judging being left up to everyone who takes part in the challenge. And the only difference between A4 and US Letter size is a few dots of an inch. So it doesn't really matter. Embrace the differences I say.
I still like the first pic that was chosen...'A trip to the Soulk'
So what do you say?! Wanna PM Roberto Matsman and see where we are with all this?
matsman
06-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Sure will do!
Greetings
Greetings
RobertoOrtiz
06-17-2009, 01:22 PM
Hey guys this is a video I made of the vehicle I have in mind for this kind of race.
The race would be performed on specially made stadiums.
The rules for this kind of racing procedures wil be the same as Formula ONE, but the strnage shape of the car allows for more steep curves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_regulations
To see a bit of the vehicle in action go to this link:
link (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/?action=view¤t=car5.flv)
or download this...
Mirror:
link (http://www.savefile.com/files/2131331)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car3.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car4.jpg
More artwork will be coming..
-R
The race would be performed on specially made stadiums.
The rules for this kind of racing procedures wil be the same as Formula ONE, but the strnage shape of the car allows for more steep curves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_regulations
To see a bit of the vehicle in action go to this link:
link (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/?action=view¤t=car5.flv)
or download this...
Mirror:
link (http://www.savefile.com/files/2131331)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car3.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/car4.jpg
More artwork will be coming..
-R
kadetkebab
06-17-2009, 04:35 PM
Don't mean to be rude but I thought we were looking out for drawings. This is a 3D model. I think everyone had the idea that they would derive a story from a portrait rather than a 3D concept. Or do you plan to incorporate that model into a 2D painting?
By the way it's a cool looking model and the animation is very good. very organic for a tech toy!
By the way it's a cool looking model and the animation is very good. very organic for a tech toy!
RobertoOrtiz
06-17-2009, 05:20 PM
Don't mean to be rude but I thought we were looking out for drawings. This is a 3D model. I think everyone had the idea that they would derive a story from a portrait rather than a 3D concept. Or do you plan to incorporate that model into a 2D painting?
By the way it's a cool looking model and the animation is very good. very organic for a tech toy!
No Problem, the drawings are coming...
This is part of a multistep challenge.
I needed to build the car so I can show the artists who will be doing the artworks the logistics behind the car.
Tommorow at the DSF I will ask the artists to design courses/ vehicle decorations/ riders based on the design of the car.
By the way it's a cool looking model and the animation is very good. very organic for a tech toy!
No Problem, the drawings are coming...
This is part of a multistep challenge.
I needed to build the car so I can show the artists who will be doing the artworks the logistics behind the car.
Tommorow at the DSF I will ask the artists to design courses/ vehicle decorations/ riders based on the design of the car.
matsman
06-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Cool! :thumbsup:
no wonder you needed time :d this is a sci-fi monowheel right... I don't think the real thing actually has that hinging middle part... no criticism or anything just asking. Anyway this is cooler!
I guess that with the planning you have we can expect to start writing this weekend. Nice!
Once again thank you for the effort Roberto. Looking forward to see what the DSF does with it.
I hope everyone is happy with this update? Greetings!
no wonder you needed time :d this is a sci-fi monowheel right... I don't think the real thing actually has that hinging middle part... no criticism or anything just asking. Anyway this is cooler!
I guess that with the planning you have we can expect to start writing this weekend. Nice!
Once again thank you for the effort Roberto. Looking forward to see what the DSF does with it.
I hope everyone is happy with this update? Greetings!
RobertoOrtiz
06-17-2009, 07:37 PM
Here is what I need from you guys.
you have seen the vehicles,
Tommorow you will start the stadiums..
You have seen the cars.
What wee need are backgrounds.
Backgrounds for teams,
Backgounds for Racers.
Not only that we need some drama.
When we take this to the FX people I want to be able to submit to them
some short scripts (one page at most) of some short FX sequences based
on the backgounds you guys come up with.
I would strongly recommend for you guys to check out our FX galleries for past work.
Keep in mind, the people doing these challenges are short on resources.
(ie Filmed elements)
have fun.
-R
you have seen the vehicles,
Tommorow you will start the stadiums..
You have seen the cars.
What wee need are backgrounds.
Backgrounds for teams,
Backgounds for Racers.
Not only that we need some drama.
When we take this to the FX people I want to be able to submit to them
some short scripts (one page at most) of some short FX sequences based
on the backgounds you guys come up with.
I would strongly recommend for you guys to check out our FX galleries for past work.
Keep in mind, the people doing these challenges are short on resources.
(ie Filmed elements)
have fun.
-R
RobertoOrtiz
06-17-2009, 10:19 PM
There are 3 scenes I am looking for in the challenge, that you guys might want to try:
THE INTRODUCTION
THE CRASH
THE BIG FINISH
BTW This challenge will go live in about 3 weeks.
THE INTRODUCTION
THE CRASH
THE BIG FINISH
BTW This challenge will go live in about 3 weeks.
matsman
06-17-2009, 10:43 PM
Okay... so lets break it down to some challenge spec's than as soon as the stadium sketches are here we'll go on with the show.
One page is definitely to short for some of us... so I say lets do 3 pages...
Create a team or lone racer and write a
1 page introduction,
1 page race/crash, spectacular
1 page finish
So that is 3 pages either American letter or European a4 style.
Type is 10 point Courier.
Deadline 1 week (two weekends) seems fair. (which would be sunday 28, 23:59 in your own timezone)
Judging criteria, based on what is asked from us:
Using as few characters/cars/environments as possible
Originality/coolness
Flow of action
How exciting can you make this?
That means we can start judging Monday 29, giving every entry a number from 1 to 4 on every criteria (1=bad - 4=exceptional) plus any comments you want to give.
Did I forgot anything? or can we go ahead and create a challenge thread on Friday with this assignment?
One page is definitely to short for some of us... so I say lets do 3 pages...
Create a team or lone racer and write a
1 page introduction,
1 page race/crash, spectacular
1 page finish
So that is 3 pages either American letter or European a4 style.
Type is 10 point Courier.
Deadline 1 week (two weekends) seems fair. (which would be sunday 28, 23:59 in your own timezone)
Judging criteria, based on what is asked from us:
Using as few characters/cars/environments as possible
Originality/coolness
Flow of action
How exciting can you make this?
That means we can start judging Monday 29, giving every entry a number from 1 to 4 on every criteria (1=bad - 4=exceptional) plus any comments you want to give.
Did I forgot anything? or can we go ahead and create a challenge thread on Friday with this assignment?
kadetkebab
06-20-2009, 02:27 AM
Hey guys
This whole thing sounds cool but I think it kinda strayed from our initial idea which was to write a short story based on what we interpreted from a picture or portrait. If we are all told to write about a specific event (like a crash or a race game) then I'm sure that narrows down our imaginative options.
Also I thought we were doing a short story not a script. I don't know what everyone else feels about this. Haven't heard anything from anyone else. But if you guys are okay with this then I'm sure we can go ahead. Let's hear from the participants.
This whole thing sounds cool but I think it kinda strayed from our initial idea which was to write a short story based on what we interpreted from a picture or portrait. If we are all told to write about a specific event (like a crash or a race game) then I'm sure that narrows down our imaginative options.
Also I thought we were doing a short story not a script. I don't know what everyone else feels about this. Haven't heard anything from anyone else. But if you guys are okay with this then I'm sure we can go ahead. Let's hear from the participants.
kelgy
06-20-2009, 03:18 AM
Well i was up for the picture idea although I didnt have an idea for the Souk one. I voted in the poll that I might participate but wasnt sure.
When I heard Roberto's monowheel idea I was thinking: yeah! A desolate future world where citizens of a forgotten biodome must race across barren deserts and avoid the clutches of radioactive mutants to reach....
that's all i had.
But a racing arena isnt working for me unless the loser has to be thrown out into the desert where they must race across barren deserts and avoid the clutches of radioative mutants to reach...
I write a fair bit on my own although not really for any cg projects so its a matter of something coming along that really inspires me.
My own view is that the format should be a little flexible--like if someone wants to do a short story or a script its up to them..but then they would probably need to be judged a different way.
And since its also a storyboarding forum, I think if people wanted to do something entirely in pictures that should be ok too.
I think its good to link up with challenges in other forums though.
Even the Secret Agent challenge might be good inspiration for stories.
Anyway that's my thoughts on it.
When I heard Roberto's monowheel idea I was thinking: yeah! A desolate future world where citizens of a forgotten biodome must race across barren deserts and avoid the clutches of radioactive mutants to reach....
that's all i had.
But a racing arena isnt working for me unless the loser has to be thrown out into the desert where they must race across barren deserts and avoid the clutches of radioative mutants to reach...
I write a fair bit on my own although not really for any cg projects so its a matter of something coming along that really inspires me.
My own view is that the format should be a little flexible--like if someone wants to do a short story or a script its up to them..but then they would probably need to be judged a different way.
And since its also a storyboarding forum, I think if people wanted to do something entirely in pictures that should be ok too.
I think its good to link up with challenges in other forums though.
Even the Secret Agent challenge might be good inspiration for stories.
Anyway that's my thoughts on it.
matsman
06-20-2009, 10:19 AM
Well hi... sorry that there are some doubts... let me counter them a bit :)
First of all we still work from what we interpret from a picture (unfortunately there are no pictures as of yet (just looked in on the daily sketch forum)
And from what I saw there it looks the topic has a little more freedom than what has been said here.
Secondly, I give you that the rules have been tightened a bit because other people need to work with our stuff. Personally I don't mind because the trade-off you make between more restrictions is rewarded by actually making something that will be a basis for others to work from. If seeing back what you have written in film is not enough of a reward I don't know what is.
Which brings me to screen writing versus story writing... which is kinda different in this case. The finished product is going to be used by a visual effect team. Which means people and feelings and such have to be limited since there is simply not enough time/ resources to fully make a short film. These people focus on the effects of which there should be plenty.
In turn that means that dialog will be minimized and the script is looking more and more like a short story already.
Finally about everybody writing the same thing. I really wanted to give you 3 pages for a story arc instead of one, since that is kinda minimal.
So that is why I bundled up Roberto's suggestions for quick racing subjects into one. If you don't mind the limited space as much you can just do one and choose from those 3 subjects instead of one.
Actually I think those subjects are pretty wide actually... but really anything goes as long as it is spectacular.
:( I really hoped we could go along with the challenge today but without pictures it aint gonna happen... please wait while we adress this technical difficulty :p
Sorry!
First of all we still work from what we interpret from a picture (unfortunately there are no pictures as of yet (just looked in on the daily sketch forum)
And from what I saw there it looks the topic has a little more freedom than what has been said here.
Secondly, I give you that the rules have been tightened a bit because other people need to work with our stuff. Personally I don't mind because the trade-off you make between more restrictions is rewarded by actually making something that will be a basis for others to work from. If seeing back what you have written in film is not enough of a reward I don't know what is.
Which brings me to screen writing versus story writing... which is kinda different in this case. The finished product is going to be used by a visual effect team. Which means people and feelings and such have to be limited since there is simply not enough time/ resources to fully make a short film. These people focus on the effects of which there should be plenty.
In turn that means that dialog will be minimized and the script is looking more and more like a short story already.
Finally about everybody writing the same thing. I really wanted to give you 3 pages for a story arc instead of one, since that is kinda minimal.
So that is why I bundled up Roberto's suggestions for quick racing subjects into one. If you don't mind the limited space as much you can just do one and choose from those 3 subjects instead of one.
Actually I think those subjects are pretty wide actually... but really anything goes as long as it is spectacular.
:( I really hoped we could go along with the challenge today but without pictures it aint gonna happen... please wait while we adress this technical difficulty :p
Sorry!
RobertoOrtiz
06-22-2009, 03:59 PM
For more input from the VFX team and the conceppt art teamsgo to these threads..
CgTalk Daily Sketch 1836 NTL "NEO-RACE" : The future of Racing (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=130&t=776646)
The next challenge....(Lets Talk) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=139&t=775631)
CgTalk Daily Sketch 1836 NTL "NEO-RACE" : The future of Racing (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=130&t=776646)
The next challenge....(Lets Talk) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=139&t=775631)
kadetkebab
07-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Okay. I see this thread has come to an excruciating halt. The NEO-RACE challenge also seems to have come to a hitch. So matsman. Should we make do with the pics provided so far? It's been well over a month since we were suppose to have attempted the challenge. Both threads have come to a halt and I personally think it is about time we attempt something. Maybe we should attempt a story based on these sketch challenges once the challenge has been completed.
I don't know if everyone has been busy but everytime I come back here to check the thread no one has responded. So I thought we should do something now. What is your take on this?
I don't know if everyone has been busy but everytime I come back here to check the thread no one has responded. So I thought we should do something now. What is your take on this?
matsman
07-06-2009, 02:45 PM
Well to be frank... I felt a little let down by the fact that there were only two people actually replying to the latest update on this race challenge... yeah, it took a while but the attempt was to start something that can be a returning thing, which always takes a little longer.
So that was my first feeling and made me stop and think for a while.
Last Thursday I came to the conclusion I liked writing this kinda stuff too much to let it bleed out and just go ahead and post an official challenge to end coming sunday (as of now) and then came your point.
It became busy, I lost track of a few things... socially things got a little more active than usual. (actually I wouldn't have had time today weren't it the case that my train was late)
So that is why I haven't already.
My suggestion is to do the race... at least one page story with a topic as covered by Roberto... inspired by the images and art.
And then after that I'll put up that image from the souk and we go ahead for a longer time and longer stories?
How does that sound?
So that was my first feeling and made me stop and think for a while.
Last Thursday I came to the conclusion I liked writing this kinda stuff too much to let it bleed out and just go ahead and post an official challenge to end coming sunday (as of now) and then came your point.
It became busy, I lost track of a few things... socially things got a little more active than usual. (actually I wouldn't have had time today weren't it the case that my train was late)
So that is why I haven't already.
My suggestion is to do the race... at least one page story with a topic as covered by Roberto... inspired by the images and art.
And then after that I'll put up that image from the souk and we go ahead for a longer time and longer stories?
How does that sound?
matsman
07-06-2009, 03:35 PM
You can find it here: Unofficial Writing Challenge: NEO race (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5967911#post5967911)
Happy writing!
Happy writing!
kadetkebab
07-06-2009, 05:13 PM
Sounds great. I suppose we can all get started then. :bounce:
RobertoOrtiz
07-07-2009, 03:43 PM
We go live ON FRIDAY...
-R
-R
matsman
07-07-2009, 03:51 PM
Oh sheesh... I thought next week... because of the
The plug will go live IN ONE WEEK.
Anybody who delivers their entry on Monday June 15th will get a special
mention that they delivered their work on time, and..they will be able to tweak their entry until the new dateline on June 22th.
But thanks for the headsup Roberto!
I have the challenge deadline set on monday midday, so believe most will in on sunday.
I for one will try to have my texts ready on friday.
How about you Kadetkebab?
Be sure to link us in! :)
Thanks!
The plug will go live IN ONE WEEK.
Anybody who delivers their entry on Monday June 15th will get a special
mention that they delivered their work on time, and..they will be able to tweak their entry until the new dateline on June 22th.
But thanks for the headsup Roberto!
I have the challenge deadline set on monday midday, so believe most will in on sunday.
I for one will try to have my texts ready on friday.
How about you Kadetkebab?
Be sure to link us in! :)
Thanks!
RobertoOrtiz
07-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Ok here is a compromise..
The challenge will go live on Friday, but the PLUG will be posted ON MONDAY.
That way early adopters can get a well deserved leg up.
If you guys wish, we can post your scripts on Monday, and people will be able to cherry pick which ones they want to use.
-R
The challenge will go live on Friday, but the PLUG will be posted ON MONDAY.
That way early adopters can get a well deserved leg up.
If you guys wish, we can post your scripts on Monday, and people will be able to cherry pick which ones they want to use.
-R
matsman
07-09-2009, 07:25 AM
Sounds good Roberto, sorry for the delay if we caused any.
I for one am for posting the link to the scripts on Friday as well... I have one up there in a few minutes. I will try to do another before the end of the week but that might end up being Saturday...
So with the promise that there are more coming you won't link to an empty space.
Thanks!
I for one am for posting the link to the scripts on Friday as well... I have one up there in a few minutes. I will try to do another before the end of the week but that might end up being Saturday...
So with the promise that there are more coming you won't link to an empty space.
Thanks!
matsman
07-17-2009, 05:08 PM
Okay people... now for number two. It's official.
It's sad to see only Kadetkebab and myself could find time and inspiration to enter the previous challenge but don't feel down... and try again :)
CgTalk:Unofficial Writing Challenge:2 -The Souk (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5988564#post5988564)
It's sad to see only Kadetkebab and myself could find time and inspiration to enter the previous challenge but don't feel down... and try again :)
CgTalk:Unofficial Writing Challenge:2 -The Souk (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5988564#post5988564)
RobertoOrtiz
07-28-2009, 03:35 PM
I will need all your help soon...
I will post more soon.
-R
I will post more soon.
-R
Pixanaut
07-28-2009, 05:09 PM
I will need all your help soon...
I will post more soon.
-R
No, I won't send you my banking information for a share in you Uncle's money when you get it out of Nigeria.
I will post more soon.
-R
No, I won't send you my banking information for a share in you Uncle's money when you get it out of Nigeria.
Pixanaut
07-28-2009, 05:35 PM
Okay people... now for number two. It's official.
It's sad to see only Kadetkebab and myself could find time and inspiration to enter the previous challenge but don't feel down... and try again :)
CgTalk:Unofficial Writing Challenge:2 -The Souk (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5988564#post5988564)
Well, I had the time to participate, but early on in this thread it was about writing a 6-10 page story in the space of a month or so.
At this point, I am so utterly confused as to what this challenge is all about, what the vfx teams are all about(this is a writing challenge, right?), what inspiration images are all about... I say archive this thread and start a new one as a master thread for this challenge with the 'what the heck it is all about' right in the first post, followed by the rules.
The voting process confuses me too (as it does for the HMC's). If all the finals were in one place and there was a link for me that said CLICK HERE for RULES, CLICK HERE to VOTE, CLICK HERE to SEE THE WINNERS..... Then I might get involved.
Right now, it's all over the place, and overly complicated (as far as what information that I have). Am I just writing story? Am I supposed to storyboard it? It's all based on a picture, right? Then what? Something about paper sizes (does this reall have to be in the rules?? It's digital - who cares what size the paper is!? Why are you using paper at all!!).
See? Confused as £^€<... and despite what is posted above, English is my first language and I'm not a stupid guy. So if it's too confusing for me, then it's too confusing.
Make it (the whole process) clear... Then you might have more people interested in playing too.
And what the heck is a 'Souk'? If I don't know what it is, do I just make it all up?
It's sad to see only Kadetkebab and myself could find time and inspiration to enter the previous challenge but don't feel down... and try again :)
CgTalk:Unofficial Writing Challenge:2 -The Souk (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5988564#post5988564)
Well, I had the time to participate, but early on in this thread it was about writing a 6-10 page story in the space of a month or so.
At this point, I am so utterly confused as to what this challenge is all about, what the vfx teams are all about(this is a writing challenge, right?), what inspiration images are all about... I say archive this thread and start a new one as a master thread for this challenge with the 'what the heck it is all about' right in the first post, followed by the rules.
The voting process confuses me too (as it does for the HMC's). If all the finals were in one place and there was a link for me that said CLICK HERE for RULES, CLICK HERE to VOTE, CLICK HERE to SEE THE WINNERS..... Then I might get involved.
Right now, it's all over the place, and overly complicated (as far as what information that I have). Am I just writing story? Am I supposed to storyboard it? It's all based on a picture, right? Then what? Something about paper sizes (does this reall have to be in the rules?? It's digital - who cares what size the paper is!? Why are you using paper at all!!).
See? Confused as £^€<... and despite what is posted above, English is my first language and I'm not a stupid guy. So if it's too confusing for me, then it's too confusing.
Make it (the whole process) clear... Then you might have more people interested in playing too.
And what the heck is a 'Souk'? If I don't know what it is, do I just make it all up?
matsman
07-29-2009, 10:32 AM
:) hmm... okay I can see your point I think. But I find it hard to give information in a different manner. This thread is all about the idea of making challenge and thus it is a little cluttered with opinions and suggestions.
I have tried to boil it all down in the starting post of the challenge thread so it is nice and short with the different points addressed. I really didn't know that was still a confusing bunch of info.
But I will try to answer some of your questions:
First thing: I feel a month is really too long a time since people lose interest and you can write a 6- 10 page story in a few sittings 2-3. Usually if the time between those writing sessions get bigger the story gets more fragmented and the style tends to start shifting. Which means you have to spend still more time refining it later to get all that out. So I settled the matter and went for a shorter timespan. If that really is a problem I can change it of course.
Second thing: Doing a story inspired by one or more pictures raises the question from where to get the pictures. Roberto as a mod and busybody ( in a good way) tends to have all sorts of things going on here at CGtalk so for me it was an obvious thing to infrom him about our little challenge in the hope he could help us with the pictures.
And he did we got to use the pictures made by people on the other side of the forum. With the extra addition that our work could be used by others in turn to make a special fx movie.
And that last addition changed the rules a bit since those people have a need for action and sparks flying and not 40 pages of storyline addressing emotional characters.
But that is rather good I think since that gives a bit of change around the place. We have done that and the Souk has been posted with is more towards the original idea.
third: I am afraid I can't make it as easy as you want with the 3 links... since this is a forum and not my web space where I can build forms and scripts to make everything as simple. But every new challenge has a new thread where you can sign in saying you are joining, where all the finals are posted, the first post has the rules and links to the inspiration image(s) or the images posted directly and once every entry is in we continue with voting, which we haven't done last time, but comes down to you putting a couple of x's in a table and maybe write a line or two for every entry. At the end I compare the tables and declare a winner based on that. No complex stuff.
fourth: yes it is a story writing challenge though you may write a screenplay as well. Story boarding we see as being too work intensive for as now. Since we count the work in "pages" which indeed might be a bit old school, the size of the page (which is based on it s paper ancestor) counts. However if you use your standard word processor setup you are good to go.
The thing is that when you do a maximum amount of words (which is also possible) you feel less freedom in writing since most will want to use every space they have. pages is just convient that way. The same goes for type size BTW... just to make sure some people double their space by going micro type.
And yes, if you don't know what a souk is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souq) you can make up anything you want. As stated in the challenge thread the only "rule" is that we can recognize something from the picture on your story. I also mentioned the fact that it is a marketplace back in the challenge thread.
I sincerely hope that you have visited the challenge thread... I must say I am inclined to think you haven't. So let me post this again for superior clearity.
---CLICK HERE FOR THE SECOND WRITING CHALLENGE --- (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=786668)
rules images and posting space included
I have tried to boil it all down in the starting post of the challenge thread so it is nice and short with the different points addressed. I really didn't know that was still a confusing bunch of info.
But I will try to answer some of your questions:
First thing: I feel a month is really too long a time since people lose interest and you can write a 6- 10 page story in a few sittings 2-3. Usually if the time between those writing sessions get bigger the story gets more fragmented and the style tends to start shifting. Which means you have to spend still more time refining it later to get all that out. So I settled the matter and went for a shorter timespan. If that really is a problem I can change it of course.
Second thing: Doing a story inspired by one or more pictures raises the question from where to get the pictures. Roberto as a mod and busybody ( in a good way) tends to have all sorts of things going on here at CGtalk so for me it was an obvious thing to infrom him about our little challenge in the hope he could help us with the pictures.
And he did we got to use the pictures made by people on the other side of the forum. With the extra addition that our work could be used by others in turn to make a special fx movie.
And that last addition changed the rules a bit since those people have a need for action and sparks flying and not 40 pages of storyline addressing emotional characters.
But that is rather good I think since that gives a bit of change around the place. We have done that and the Souk has been posted with is more towards the original idea.
third: I am afraid I can't make it as easy as you want with the 3 links... since this is a forum and not my web space where I can build forms and scripts to make everything as simple. But every new challenge has a new thread where you can sign in saying you are joining, where all the finals are posted, the first post has the rules and links to the inspiration image(s) or the images posted directly and once every entry is in we continue with voting, which we haven't done last time, but comes down to you putting a couple of x's in a table and maybe write a line or two for every entry. At the end I compare the tables and declare a winner based on that. No complex stuff.
fourth: yes it is a story writing challenge though you may write a screenplay as well. Story boarding we see as being too work intensive for as now. Since we count the work in "pages" which indeed might be a bit old school, the size of the page (which is based on it s paper ancestor) counts. However if you use your standard word processor setup you are good to go.
The thing is that when you do a maximum amount of words (which is also possible) you feel less freedom in writing since most will want to use every space they have. pages is just convient that way. The same goes for type size BTW... just to make sure some people double their space by going micro type.
And yes, if you don't know what a souk is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souq) you can make up anything you want. As stated in the challenge thread the only "rule" is that we can recognize something from the picture on your story. I also mentioned the fact that it is a marketplace back in the challenge thread.
I sincerely hope that you have visited the challenge thread... I must say I am inclined to think you haven't. So let me post this again for superior clearity.
---CLICK HERE FOR THE SECOND WRITING CHALLENGE --- (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=156&t=786668)
rules images and posting space included
kelgy
07-29-2009, 06:28 PM
No, I won't send you my banking information for a share in you Uncle's money when you get it out of Nigeria.
**stories on the Nigerian email scam could be interesting.
http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/2001/08/07/419scams/
I am in an art slump of mega proportions-cant even finish a character animation that wouldnt be hard to do. But I have been doing some writing. Trying to get into the zone to do something based on the Souk but nothing is coming to me. I keep thinking of W. Somerset Maugham's "An Appointment at Samarra."
I am going to try to think how i can work Nigerian email scams into a souk.
**stories on the Nigerian email scam could be interesting.
http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/2001/08/07/419scams/
I am in an art slump of mega proportions-cant even finish a character animation that wouldnt be hard to do. But I have been doing some writing. Trying to get into the zone to do something based on the Souk but nothing is coming to me. I keep thinking of W. Somerset Maugham's "An Appointment at Samarra."
I am going to try to think how i can work Nigerian email scams into a souk.
Pixanaut
07-30-2009, 07:15 AM
matsman... thanks for trying to clear it up.
I think one of the things for me is the whole 'wait for the images' bit... the daily sketch thing has been going on for ages... Why don't we just pick one at random out of the archives every two weeks, instead of having to wait for the newest one (since the artist who created it would already have a story for the image fresh in their mind anyways)?
The other thing that confuses me a bit is that if the objective becomes 'write something that could potentially be useful as an idea for the VFX challenge', then this - as a story exercise - will become something more like a developed 'scene' from a movie. I think if people want to take the short script on as an animated project, then that's great... but I don't think that should be a rule, caveat, or even suggestion within the writing challenge. Another thing is the notion that it should be action driven... I disagree. Lipsyncing and facial animation are things worth practicing. There are of course, logistics to consider... like having a rigged character that is set up properly for animation, etc... something that would allow those who don't model or rig the chance to join in.
Ultimately, for me, this whole thing feels like it's trying to serve too many masters.
It should be this simple:
- Mediator picks a random image from the sketch archives and (with artist's approval) uses it as the Inspiration Image for the challenge
- 10-15 pages or less of story/script (I say up to 15 because dialogue eats up pages fast)
- delivered in PDF form, Font style/size, I agree, should be set
- within a set timeframe of two weeks
- all scripts get posted to a server, which people can download and read/rate
- they vote
This is about story and possibly storyboarding. If other threads (vfx, daily sketch, etc...) want to be involved, they should feel free to troll the thread and read the stories.
I just want to get down to the honest writing of stuff... without the restrictions of 'oh, and make sure it has something for this other group to do when it's done'.
Writing should be pure, straight storytelling. Otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse and you end up with the string of seriously crappy Hollywood styled VFX driven, heartless junk.
JMHO
I think one of the things for me is the whole 'wait for the images' bit... the daily sketch thing has been going on for ages... Why don't we just pick one at random out of the archives every two weeks, instead of having to wait for the newest one (since the artist who created it would already have a story for the image fresh in their mind anyways)?
The other thing that confuses me a bit is that if the objective becomes 'write something that could potentially be useful as an idea for the VFX challenge', then this - as a story exercise - will become something more like a developed 'scene' from a movie. I think if people want to take the short script on as an animated project, then that's great... but I don't think that should be a rule, caveat, or even suggestion within the writing challenge. Another thing is the notion that it should be action driven... I disagree. Lipsyncing and facial animation are things worth practicing. There are of course, logistics to consider... like having a rigged character that is set up properly for animation, etc... something that would allow those who don't model or rig the chance to join in.
Ultimately, for me, this whole thing feels like it's trying to serve too many masters.
It should be this simple:
- Mediator picks a random image from the sketch archives and (with artist's approval) uses it as the Inspiration Image for the challenge
- 10-15 pages or less of story/script (I say up to 15 because dialogue eats up pages fast)
- delivered in PDF form, Font style/size, I agree, should be set
- within a set timeframe of two weeks
- all scripts get posted to a server, which people can download and read/rate
- they vote
This is about story and possibly storyboarding. If other threads (vfx, daily sketch, etc...) want to be involved, they should feel free to troll the thread and read the stories.
I just want to get down to the honest writing of stuff... without the restrictions of 'oh, and make sure it has something for this other group to do when it's done'.
Writing should be pure, straight storytelling. Otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse and you end up with the string of seriously crappy Hollywood styled VFX driven, heartless junk.
JMHO
matsman
07-30-2009, 02:46 PM
Thanks for your opinion Pixanaut. Thing is: that is exactly what I was/am trying to do.
And I completely agree with your last few lines.
"Writing should be pure, straight storytelling. Otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse and you end up with the string of seriously crappy Hollywood styled VFX driven, heartless junk."
But the other side of the coin is that I am also for having my writing read. So if I can share what I thought up it is a big bonus for me. That is why I would also love to have my script/story turned into an animation. So I am willing to give in somewhat.
The second point is in this time and age there is almost no job that has complete creative control. If you want that you better be the guy who pays for everything
And number 3 (yes I go all the way to 3) I think the best way to stimulate creativity is to restrain people somewhat. Because then you need to stand on your toes and use everything you can to still deliver.
Reading uptil now: Yes, I am a hypocrit and sleep with the enemy, kick me. :)
But there is also something different here. As of now I plan to keep this going no matter what, at least until the end of the year. And over that time I don't want to have the same stuff coming up each time. So besides the now running type of writing challenge where we have the image and you come up with the story, no rules, I will try to put some different stuff in too. Really short, a storyboard only or comic script challenge, the possibilities are many and rules change per challenge. Always with storytelling as a main interest.
I also have to excuse myself to you and possibly others for delaying the first challenge that long. I was all for quick but then complaints came in, Roberto needed a bit more time, no one seemed to post anymore. The long and short is I got a bit fed up. But after a week cooling down I thought it too much fun to stop now, also since I have been trying to get a little life in this part of the forum for some time now.
So I went ahead and did it, unceremoniously, a start had to be made.
I have taken all your heartfelt pleading with me though (sounds cheesy but it is true!) And I will make sure that your wishes will be fullfilled. It's just nothing is easy and I really want other parts of the forum to go:"those guys there, they are cool!".
But I noticed that it just is really hard to keep going on your own without knowing that there are people that actually read your stuff and want to be involved, so I tried to get that part done with first (still it probably needs time).
Finally about uploading to a server...
Right now we are attatching to our post, which has the added advantage that only cgtalk members can download and read, so there is a little control where it comes to copyrights. With just any server or online sharing there is no such thing as far as I know. Have you any suggestions to make sharing and voting easier?
Well the voting is probably a little vague still I will make a mockup style voting sheet... so as to clear that up. That'll be later.
Finally for everyone, and you in particular:
I'll end with the sincere hope that you'll find what you want within our little challenges. Since I really want everyone to enjoy themselves. And please shout at me when there is something I can do to enhance that enjoyment.
For now on I think I will do a traditional challenge followed by something a little different and back to the traditional. So if you have specific wishes or ideas. Let me know!
Thanks for reading through this. I hope you'll play with us.
And I apologize for any spelling mistakes as english is not my first language and I have no spellchecker at the moment.
Matthijs
And I completely agree with your last few lines.
"Writing should be pure, straight storytelling. Otherwise you're putting the cart before the horse and you end up with the string of seriously crappy Hollywood styled VFX driven, heartless junk."
But the other side of the coin is that I am also for having my writing read. So if I can share what I thought up it is a big bonus for me. That is why I would also love to have my script/story turned into an animation. So I am willing to give in somewhat.
The second point is in this time and age there is almost no job that has complete creative control. If you want that you better be the guy who pays for everything
And number 3 (yes I go all the way to 3) I think the best way to stimulate creativity is to restrain people somewhat. Because then you need to stand on your toes and use everything you can to still deliver.
Reading uptil now: Yes, I am a hypocrit and sleep with the enemy, kick me. :)
But there is also something different here. As of now I plan to keep this going no matter what, at least until the end of the year. And over that time I don't want to have the same stuff coming up each time. So besides the now running type of writing challenge where we have the image and you come up with the story, no rules, I will try to put some different stuff in too. Really short, a storyboard only or comic script challenge, the possibilities are many and rules change per challenge. Always with storytelling as a main interest.
I also have to excuse myself to you and possibly others for delaying the first challenge that long. I was all for quick but then complaints came in, Roberto needed a bit more time, no one seemed to post anymore. The long and short is I got a bit fed up. But after a week cooling down I thought it too much fun to stop now, also since I have been trying to get a little life in this part of the forum for some time now.
So I went ahead and did it, unceremoniously, a start had to be made.
I have taken all your heartfelt pleading with me though (sounds cheesy but it is true!) And I will make sure that your wishes will be fullfilled. It's just nothing is easy and I really want other parts of the forum to go:"those guys there, they are cool!".
But I noticed that it just is really hard to keep going on your own without knowing that there are people that actually read your stuff and want to be involved, so I tried to get that part done with first (still it probably needs time).
Finally about uploading to a server...
Right now we are attatching to our post, which has the added advantage that only cgtalk members can download and read, so there is a little control where it comes to copyrights. With just any server or online sharing there is no such thing as far as I know. Have you any suggestions to make sharing and voting easier?
Well the voting is probably a little vague still I will make a mockup style voting sheet... so as to clear that up. That'll be later.
Finally for everyone, and you in particular:
I'll end with the sincere hope that you'll find what you want within our little challenges. Since I really want everyone to enjoy themselves. And please shout at me when there is something I can do to enhance that enjoyment.
For now on I think I will do a traditional challenge followed by something a little different and back to the traditional. So if you have specific wishes or ideas. Let me know!
Thanks for reading through this. I hope you'll play with us.
And I apologize for any spelling mistakes as english is not my first language and I have no spellchecker at the moment.
Matthijs
Manuel Ponce
07-31-2009, 03:09 PM
**stories on the Nigerian email scam could be interesting.
Please make a story about this, and they catch the email scammer, they tie him up strapp cheeseburgers all around him, blindfolded, and throw him into a hot sweaty room full of hungry fat chicks.
Please make a story about this, and they catch the email scammer, they tie him up strapp cheeseburgers all around him, blindfolded, and throw him into a hot sweaty room full of hungry fat chicks.
matsman
08-26-2009, 07:27 PM
Well finally we go on!
Here it is:
CgTalk: Unofficial Writing Challenge:3 -Morning Disaster (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=6068290#post6068290)
I got really inspired by this image, it's different, wide open but also a little more subtle than the last one so I decided against all other limitations since the image is hard enough as a starting position I think so at least
Here it is:
CgTalk: Unofficial Writing Challenge:3 -Morning Disaster (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=6068290#post6068290)
I got really inspired by this image, it's different, wide open but also a little more subtle than the last one so I decided against all other limitations since the image is hard enough as a starting position I think so at least
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