character head: Arnold

[NowhereMan]

Nice one! It really looks like schwartz!!!

You are good at modeling likenesses.

can u post the references and the subdv???
:applause:

[Atwooki]

Very good Likeness!
INSIST on a wire for this...

Atwooki

[neversong]

thnx, guys.

here's the wire.

it's got no details yet. I'll work on detail once I convert this into poly. I'm using spline for now.

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/wires.jpg

[Atwooki]

Surely this IS poly, unless my eyes deceive me?
Perhaps a wire of the patches....

regards, and a great job!

Atwooki

[neversong]

:)

when I spline model, I set both the topology and the interpolation to 0. and every vertices to 'corner'

in that way, it looks/works like poly modeling.
so, this is spline modeling, but just with no bezier handle.

[Mafty]

very good likeness, but i think the first image could have better lighting to show the whole model.

[JasonA]

The likeness is excellent. What are you using for reference?

[neversong]

I captured some shots from the movie T2.

I couldn't find good references on the web,
so I chose to do that.

[neversong]

here's a test render... working on the chest.

C&C are always welcomed.


http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test5.jpg

[KolbyJukes]

hey,
It's looking remarkably like arnie. I like how it's coming along.

Can i ask...what app are you using? And what do you do to get such great renders?

-Kol.

[neversong]

Hello, Kwak.

thnx a lot.

I'm using 3dsmax 5.1


and about the rendering...there's nothing special.

I used scanline renderer for both images.
no GI of course. :)

that lastest one has one omni light,
and some fall-off settings including self illumination.

[lukx]

neversong you just rule!

[neversong]

thnx, lukx

here's an update.

going really slow...:surprised

just worked on the back. and...about to start working on the washboard.

C&C please.http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test10.jpg

[mash1000]

Hi!
I have to tell you that Arnold is my favourite actor and that cg is on highest level :)
Good job, keep going:buttrock:

[freddy7133d]

looks great so far ....:thumbsup:
could we see a wire..you sure do know your anatomy...
I'm work on a torso myself...but it doesn't look any where near as good as yours..

cant wait to see it finished...:)

[neversong]

thnx guys,

mash: He's my favorite actor too. too bad he's too old now.
checked out T3 yet? :D

freddy: I'll post the wire once I'm done with the washboard area. :) this is taking me very long since I'm modeling as I'm learning anotomy. In my opinion, cg pays off as much time as you spend.

have a good day~

[mash1000]

Yea, he's about 53:eek: (but he looks for 45)
I didnt see T3 yet - I'm from Poland and it cams to Theaters on 17 of July.
Is it good? :cool:

[Rickmeister]

Originally posted by mash1000
Yea, he's about 53:eek: (but he looks for 45)
I didnt see T3 yet - I'm from Poland and it cams to Theaters on 17 of July.
Is it good? :cool:

yeah, overhere (holland) it comes around the same date...
His earlier 2 movies realy sucked (end of days and the 6th day) T3 looks cool to me.

The model looks realy cool...
plz keep us posted :)

[neversong]

The movie was actually better than I expected.
same story as previous ones( terminator comes to kill, people run away...stuff.), cool action scenes.

everybody says that female terminator is so sexy..hehe
well, I agree. :P

[Atwooki]

Looking fabulous, Neversong!
What are your plans for this character (other, I assume than for your reel)?
Are you using image planes from photos/sketches BTW?

Atwooki

[FLOw]

haha, I also started on Arnie after seeing T3 (love the ending, I am currently in Las Vegas, so I was arguing with my friends after the movie..hehe).

Keep it up! :)

[neversong]

hey, Atwooki!

thank you.
Yeap I'm using image planes.

My plan with this one is.... I'm going to animate this guy,
(I'm focusing on both animation and modeling.)
and, include in my reel of course. ;)


FLOw: hey, cool~ same here, I loved the ending, too. My favorite part was that truck chasing part. It was crazy. :applause:

[IDownupI]

the body is :thumbsup:
he need some hair on his head :hmm:

[Dordoulin]

very nice job, it looks very good

[neversong]

thnx guys.

IDownupI: I know... he needs some hair. :rolleyes:
do you know any good tutorial for hair(opacity map)?
I still need to learn how to do hair.

have a good day~

[FallenSwordsman]

Just popping by to say this is looking an excellent model! Nice clean mesh and it actually looks like Arnie. As for hair - can't really help you there and I assume you don't have huge amounts of wonga for a hair plug in. The tried and tested "give him a hat" thing won't work either without making him look daft. But best of luck with it, this is great work! :beer:

[NowhereMan]

Geez,

U are seriously talented man, this is just amazing, arnold would drop his jaw if he could see this.

:applause:

[qu2k]

whats the point of using splines and having no bezier handles, why not just use edit poly? it would be easier to use

[loked]

Hey neversong,

Thats looking really awesome. I like the amount of detail and he really looks like arnie. I look forward to seeing more of this. Keep it up :thumbsup:

later:wavey:
loked

[Atwooki]

Try this for hair:

http://www.manus3d.be/projects/personal/hairGen

Atwooki

[KolbyJukes]

I'm going to follow this thread.

That's very on-model - a most impressive model.

-Kol.

[Aros]

Looking good there m8!
He has no ears though ;)

[xeno]

o my god, ur just non stop arent u?? Angelina jolie, arnold scharzenegger..and they look incredibly like their real life counterparts.

this is just awesome and im defintely looking forward to the updates!

[neversong]

thank you guys~ :)

for motivating me enough to stay up all night today. heh...

qu2k: well, I think it depends on the person. without bezier handle, it works just like poly: but what I find cool about that is...
I can model as if I draw. My first few spline tries were done with topology 2, and I found it very much tiring to deal with the bezier. it's very very hard to control it.

Atwooki: Thanks~ but this is maya pluggin!!! lol
sorry, I'm using max. :p

again, thank you all.

good night.

[Marcinko]

I am extremely impressed.....That's Arnold....:thumbsup:

[nickRX]

thats awesome work, to me it looks like his cheek bones might be sticking out a bit too much eh? i duno..

[thjazi]

looking good !!! :thumbsup: good start and good modeling !!!

[golem]

well i know that everyone uses his own tecnique, but the easier and more versatyle i found is patch modeling.
poly is light and quite easy but limited and cannot be converted in nurbs, nurbs is ok but a pain in texture animation... patch is easy to get with surface from splinecage, easy to deform in order to obtain morph targets, easy to be subdivided and can be immediatly converted in nurbs.
i use to model everything with patch and convert in nurbs what i need to apply a displacement mapping to.
what do you think about?

golem

[neversong]

thnx guys. :D

nickRX: thnx for pointing it out. In fact, the head is still very rough. so, once I start adding details, I'll see if i can make it look better. ;)

golem: I agree. The only problem I have with patch modeling is its heaviness. But it is great for expressing the organic surfaces I think.

[neversong]

Hello...

here's an update. just worked on the abs.

C&C please~ :)

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/testtest.jpg

[Aros]

When is he getting ears :D

[neversong]

Aros: hehehe..once I get sick of spline, then he is getting some:D

[PEN]

Looking very good Song:) Did I get you on to the spline modeling?

[d4rk]

Wow, this is coming along great. I can't wait till you give him arms and textures. (I'm anticipating that the arms will be really cool!)

[neversong]

Hey, Paul, thnx a lot.

Yeap you sure did. :D


D4rk: thnx a lot, man. Me too~ ;)

[Atwooki]

EXCELLENT work!!!
You've even got Arnie's torso's character right....

See if you can't pen down a little workflow tutorial for some of
us to study in between splines...That would be great!

Atwooki

[PureFire]

looks great...very much like arnnie.

The only thing that seems a little weird to me is the underside of his lower jaw. It sorta comes down too far to me.

Torso looks spot on. :D

[neversong]

thnx guys.

Hey, Atwooki, in fact, I made a tutorial of Angelina Jolie spline head. I did it for some of my friends while working on it.

Angelina Jolie Spline Head Tutorial.PDF (http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/AngelinaJolieSplineHeadTutorial.pdf)

Check this out, guys.

Hope you all find this one helpful.

:D

[FallenSwordsman]

Oh boy! Free head tutorial! Excellent! I'm not a expert with splines myself (this may be where I've been going wrong!) but this should be a great help. A big thanks for taking the time and effort to put it together.

Oh and to keep things on thread- Arnie's looking good too! Is he all spline based as well?

[Gremlin]

no wait, what the f***
What are you using to make this kick ass model?
what techniques are you using for this kick ass model?
how are you so damn good at organic modeling!?

pleeease, i suck at organic stuff...
heeelp meee!!!
Cheers,
:beer:

[Rickmeister]

Originally posted by neversong

Angelina Jolie Spline Head Tutorial.PDF (http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/AngelinaJolieSplineHeadTutorial.pdf)

:D

thx, this should be a great help..

[Atwooki]

Thanks for the tutorial Neversong, much appreciated!

Atwooki

[neversong]

Thank you guys.

Atwooki: good to hear that you like it.

FallenSwordsman: Yes. It's still spline.

Gremlin: Thank you for the vivid comment! lol
check out postings in this thread including the tut I made.

[plaguelord]

oh my god! awesome modeling!!!

how about a texture of a semi human/terminator arnold? :buttrock:

[freddy7133d]

wow its coming a long really well...
thanks for the tutorial!
what are you using for refernce on the anatomy?
It looks great!:applause:

[Klaymen]

Nice i love Swarzie, and i love your moddeling of him:-) .... i'll follow this thread!!

[neversong]

thnx guys~

plaguelord: I've thought of it too. :) well, we'll see.

freddy: I'm using some pics of body builders, and captured images from the movie. :) thnx~

good night~

[Matthew Moran]

:buttrock:

[Gremlin]

omg, that head tutorial is just beyond me...

[ApocGFX]

VERY impressive... I can't wait to see the finished copy!

-Andrew

[yboris]

Thank you very much for the tutorial. Recently I was attempting to model a face of my friend. I used the tutorial on spline modeling from 3D Studio Max (the rhino tutorial that comes with 3DS) ... I didn't quite realize it's less of a headache to use corners all the time !!!

this is a great tip, I will atempt it once I wake up and get back to modeling ... I'm so excited now I don't think I will be able to sleep

of course I'll post a finished/WIP result later on (probably in my own thread - lol) :D

thank you once again for the generous tutorial !!! :buttrock:

[neversong]

lol

oh, yeah!!!!

I forgot to mention one condition for using the tutorial.

- you have to post the model!!!!!!! :D

[genesis max]

Nice tut, and amazing model! :eek:
Only critique goes to his head, he could use higher forehead.
Body is perfect if i might say, abdominals are just perfect, all muscles flow nice, smooth and natural.
But i must ask you for skin shader, to write small tut if you can cuz it gives skin really nice softness, i also experimented with falloff in self illumanition slot, but my results are not good as yours. And also wireframe of the body would be very much apreciatted. Just keep working on it, you have killer model there, i will come back later.
Keep rocking, :buttrock:

[Yoshua]

Great work! :thumbsup:

I was wondering about your technique for using splines, I always have trouble modeling with splines.

I only ever use splines to start when Im modeling a head, I use them a tad diffently than in your tutorial. For now Im gona look over your tutorial and hopefully learn.

Did you use splines for the body? or did you convert it to a mesh to do the body?

Thanks, keep it up.

[neversong]

thnx guys~

genesis max: thanks for the comment on the skin. It was just an experiment to simmulate the skin properties using multiple falloffs. Observe how the skin reacts to light, and try to fake it using 'multiple' falloffs. FYI, this trick would only work with one light source. this is good for only test renders I think. Just remember, even for the illumination.... single falloff might not be enough. use 'multiple'. that's all I can say.


yoshua: surprised that you added me to your msn. lol anyway,
yes, it's all spline yet.

[JasonA]

Neversong, this model is really coming along nicely. Those muscle groups are incredibe! And the face already has a great likeness of arnold. I'm really impressed with the quality of your work, its really inspiring to watch! do you have front/side views of arnold or are you just running off some movie screencaps?

Again, great work and look forward to your next update
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[E_Moelzer]

Ja wenn des net unser Arnold is!!!
Super- great work man!
Great likeness!
CU
Elmar

[neversong]

Thank you guys.

Lately, I'm talking to one of the companies I applied before...

So, arnie is going really really slow at this time.

hoping to finish the arm sometime soon though. :D

Jason: thanks. I'm using body builders pics...and arnold images from fineart.sk. in fact, captures from movie are mainly for the face and head. So, later, when I try to animate this guy's face... I can put his actual facial expressions.

[yboris]

Originally posted by neversong
.... I'm using body builders pics...and arnold images from fineart.sk ... quick question ... do you PAY for the web-site service? or did you manage to find them on the free preview thing?

p.s. - good luck with that company :thumbsup:

[neversong]

pay for what?

I just used the free ones.

I got body builders pics from some of my friends.

there's 2~3 free Arnold photos in that website.

[ronnie]

hey, neversong!

you have skills boy!!!!

thanks for the tutorial!!

great stuff man, keep it up!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[neversong]

Thank you ronnie. :)

and here's the wire view, guys.

working on the arm.

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/wires2.jpg

[That Adrian Guy]

That mesh...

is so beautiful.

The edge loops flow so well.

no crits at all.

This is great

[neversong]

Hey, That Adrian Guy, thanks.

I was just checking your wolf dude out...

I really like your style.;)

[spakman]

What can I say. Add the ears to better guage the cheek angle, maybe make them less protruding, or beef the jaw up a bit, I'm not sure. Regardless this is some outstanding work! Your eye for form is well honed, and those lats!!!! It's like you built this guy for more than a still shot. *sigh* by the time we're hiring you'll most likely already be snapped up.:scream:

It's a pleasure to run into stuff like this! :arteest: I'm gonna keep an eye out for ya.

peace d=^)

[Gremlin]

god bless the day I can make anything half that awesome :surprised
Cheers,
:beer:

[neversong]

spakman: thank you for the comment, and yes, I'm trying to keep him animatable. Though I know that I'm going to have a very hard time to get nice muscle deformations in 3Dmax, I'm planning to animate him. :D

Gremlin: thnx~ ;)

[ceql]

Wow, Great work so far! :applause: /me subscribes to this thread!
Thnx for the tut, interesting method! :)

[supernaps]

An-nyong~
What's up Whassup? ^___________^ This is Aki from DMA, Just thought I'd say You are the King of Splines~! There's not much critisism I can share due to that fact your models too amazing~
Keep Up the Great Work~!

And thank you for posting that great tutorial.. I'm having a look at it now~ This is exactly what i've been looking for all week~

°¨»çÇÕ´Ï´Ù:applause:

[spakman]

Originally posted by neversong
spakman: thank you for the comment, and yes, I'm trying to keep him animatable. Though I know that I'm going to have a very hard time to get nice muscle deformations in 3Dmax, I'm planning to animate him. :D

Gremlin: thnx~ ;)

I don't know much about max, except for the quality work I keep seeing come out of it.

I'll tell ya though, so many thoughts ran through my head about what kind of binding skeleton I'd make in Maya to get this guy to deform in a realtime engine. I kept coming to the conclusion that regardless of any problems initially encountered (none of my stuff *ever* worked the first, or second, or third time in Maya), that your topology is so freaking solid that we could make it do some beautiful moves together! Jeez, the things I want to show you... :applause:

[neversong]

thnx guys~

supernaps: hey, hehe, what's up? didn't really expect I get any reply from my school buddies. :) thnx.

spakman: thank you. :) I'm just trying to model according to the muscle flow. and I've found that helps a lot. We'll see. :D

[KendoJedi]

I'm glad somebody is doing an arnold model, and you so far are doing extremely well. I always joke around with my friends using an ah-nold impersonation because hes such a character. I definatley love his movies and one year me and my sister used to watch T2 almost everyday after school for an entire year, like clockwork I'd come home and go downstairs and watch it.

Excellent work, I cant wait till its done but I'm also really enjoying watching this WIP as it developes, so no pressure for time. Keep it up.

Oh ya, I saw your Angelina Jolie head, and its great. Shes so beautiful and Arnold is the man, you pick good reference people, I like your taste. :thumbsup:

[roarty]

great job man.

[neversong]

thnx guys.

hey, kendojedi, thnx.

And I totally understand.... T2 is one of the greatest movies.

I watch it often.

:D

[supernaps]

---> whatsup? hehe~ nuthing much really~ just working on my demo and finishing gen-eds at school this summer~
In regards to (school buddies checking you out) I heard allot of hype at school the other day while visiting one of Paul's summer classes~ So I thought I'd check it out~ Lemme just say~ Your living up to the hype my Koryo brother :thumbsup: yay~ keep up the great work~

and thanks again for that super cool tutorial~ tho i'm not sure what to do with the 'refine' tool~

[azazel]

Man, where are updates? Don't let such cool model die ;) And mesh is going rightclick -> save for future reference :)

[Sytron]

without commentaries :eek: .... i want to see more!!!

[neversong]

:)

thank you all.

having no 'posed for modeling' reference images....
I'm just taking my modeling. you know, it is going quite slower than I thought.

Plus trying to get a job also distracts me from working on him.

and also keeping that likeness is demanding me more time.

but I rarely quit on things I love.

thank you again!!!

keep pushing me!!!!!!! :D

[neversong]

hello~

another update after a long~ break.
C&C please..:D

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test19.jpg

[neversong]

more....
http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test20.jpg

[neversong]

more

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test21.jpg
http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test22.jpg

[neversong]

more! :D

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test23.jpg

[lukx]

as grate fan of Arnold and bodybuilding...the biceps is too big and Arni has a bit diferent shape of triceps. but still grate work neversong !:bowdown:

[FallenSwordsman]

Yep, looks like Arnie alright. This is excellent, Neversong. The only thing that looks slightly out (to me at least) is the forearms seeming a bit thin - but maybe they do look like that compared to the size of his upper arms. Triceps seem slightly sharp too - but again this is just an opinion. Overall though, this is great! :applause:

[neversong]

thnx.

in fact, I made his muscle a bit bigger for I think it'll help when I animate him though I'm going to do morph for the muscle deformation anyway.

and... yeap, I still see some sharp muscle lines..
I'll work on it as I work on the hand.

wrist is thin for now. ;)
hahahaha....:D

anyway, have a nice day! guys. thnx again!!!!

[briancole]

sweet work!

" I'll be bahk!" [insert Arnold voice]

;)

[PEN]

hey Song, I think the forarms need to be a bit bigger. Other then that it is a great job. What are you going to do for hair? Can I rig him for you?

[Atwooki]

beautiful work, neversong :thumbsup:

Got a wire update for the admiring masses?

Atwooki

[neversong]

thnx guys.

Paul: For the hair, I'm thinking of using opacity map. and I am very surprised/excited to hear that you want to rig him. In fact, I've been wondering how I can achieve good muscle deformation in Max....

Atwooki: thnx. I'll post the wire after I'm done with the hand. :)

[Fetus23]

Been watching this one from the start and thought it was time to comment :)!! Your doing a great job keeping the likeness of arnold as you go here neversong! Keep up the great work and I hope you have plans to take the model all the way to the finish line, textured, posed and perhapes an enviroment. Waiting for your updates...

:beer:
fetus

[thhchx]

Your sense of the anatomy is good. I like the way your model is progressing.

I look forward to the completion of your model.

I can see that you're yet another Korean. There's been a crop of them in this forum churning out very good work.

Keep it up.

:)

[neversong]

thnx guys

fetus: I've seen your works around here, and they were all very impressive. thank you. :)

thhchx: hahaha..yes, I am from Korea. :D

[Obsidian]

Wow, wow, wow. This model is AMAZING. I just started my own Arnie model in 3Dstudio this afternoon and I can already guarantee that it won't be anywhere near as good as this one. I'm a box modeler and having only tried patches a few times and given them up as useles...I can't believe that's how you made it. Keep going on this, your model has inspired me to make mine as good as I can.

[neversong]

Thnx obsidian.

It's great to hear that you're starting arnold, too. I look forward to seeing yours soon.

I love poly modeling a lot. MAX offers better tool sets for it as far as I know.

Spline modeling certainly has some strengths, but I have to admit that it's not so effective in many ways.

[Obsidian]

I've never really tried to do much spline modeling, I am far more comfortable using polygons and sub-d's. The new editable polygon tools in Max 5 are really excellent too, they've sped my workflow up beyond imagination. I've never been able to work so fast before. :)

So far I've only spent about 6 hours on my model, but have a really good start on the torso and upper leg. I wanted to save the head and face for last, because that way I will have had a good 12+ hours of organic modeling under my belt and feel more comfortable. I think if I had started with his head I'd have already given up :p

Once I'm a little further along I'll start my own thread and post a link in here for anyone who's interested. Your model is only more inspiration for me to keep going, so thanks for making it, and don't quit!

[neversong]

hey, why don't you post yours NOW?!! lol

let me see how it is going. :D

[supernaps]

Yo~ Bro~~ If you could please post your wireframe, that'd be awesome~~ I'm eager to see how you threaded your lines around the body~

This is too awesome~ keep up the great work~!! :love:

[neversong]

thnx a lot. :)

I'll post the wire once I'm done with the hand.

and here's another small update.

I just worked on the muscle size problem.

hope the arm looks normal now. ;)

I'll leave the wrist like this till I attatch the hand to it.

C&C please~ :D

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test28.jpg

[genesis max]

Excellent mate, now work on forearm, it's just to thin in both directions, i like your work very much, very steady progress.
Can't wait to see more, and yes, post wires please.
Greets, genesis max :beer:

[sbv20]

I believe his forhead needs to be taller. If you look at the ref pic near the beginning of this thread, you can see that his eyes are closer to the middle of his head (vertically). Just my first thought. But the likeness (is that a word?) is excellent, I'm impressed.

[spakman]

It just keeps getting better. :cool: I'd still add those ears. They don't have to be detailed (at least right away), but for me they serve as a good landmark for certain facial relationships. But the lack of them doesn't detract from your display of observation, so I'm not rilly worried about it, more pointing it out as a possible guideline for others to consider.

Just curious, cos you've got some outstanding facial detail there. How old would you say your Arnold is?

[spakman]

Originally posted by neversong

wrist is thin for now. ;)

hahahaha....:D


I'd be interested to see how the fingers of the hands you add encircle the wrist, whether they fit snuggly, or the degree to which they overlap.

Depending upon one or the other, one could end up with a mesomorph exibiting possible symptoms of Marfan's!;)

[Bdstudios]

your doing great work.. its absolutely wonderfull.. everything looks good except for his forearm. it needs to be thicker to look normal.

[Atwooki]

Beautifully observed, and tessellated, neversong! :thumbsup:

Spakman:

As an aside, and an interesting comment on mesomorphia:

Throughout history, 'Teutonic' branches of human structure(/tesselllation/ thyroid growth)have frequently exhibited traits common to both endomorphia and mesomorphia: quite why this narrow topograhical band has subsisted throughout generations is strange, (good examples of which would be medium thyroid growth German/ Austrian girls with extremely stong (almost neanderthal-like protuberant browlines)....

Arnie, coming from (I believe) the North-East of Austria, this is all the more expected,

Also, the linked/inherent Scandinavian lineage traits are somewhat simlar; though are exhibited over a shorter development time period....

Not wanting to get off-thread here by any means.....
just an observation:

also: look carefully at Arnie's thumbs....(second phalanges)

Atwooki

[spakman]

Originally posted by Atwooki
Beautifully observed, and tessellated, neversong! :thumbsup:

Spakman:

As an aside, and an interesting comment on mesomorphia:

Throughout history, 'Teutonic' branches of human structure(/tesselllation/ thyroid growth)have frequently exhibited traits common to both endomorphia and mesomorphia:

Right on! Now I forget whether I meant mesomorph or endomorph. I always mess that stuff up. Arnold's rilly more endomporhic, right? (gotta look that up. just what I get for trying to be witty and multisyllabic)

Don't mean to confuse you, neversong! I guess what I was trying to get at was how cats like pres Lincoln, an ectomorph, (skinny dood, like me), sometimes have Marfan's syndrome which affects proportions.

damn! forget what I said! You're stuff rocks, just keep an eye on the proportions (but get back to me on that age question thingy.)

peace d=^)

[neversong]

thnx guys. :D

hehe...ok I had to look up those words you guys brought up before I reply. lol

spakman: thnx.

the facial references I am using are mostly from T2.
So the age I'm aiming at is... about 35~40. and as I mentioned before, it's got only 70% of detail I plan to put yet. I plan to put details(around eyes, mouth..etc.) in polygon mode.

There might be some missmatch between the age of his body and face since I'm using whatever I can grab for the body.

For the hand, I'm going to use general reference images which means...the hand won't look like arnold's hand. :hmm:

And about the ears, I agree. It's just my lazyness.... about modeling ears with spline. I use polygon for ears. Actually, my very first ear model was spline. I remember how much I got pissed off. hahahaha...

thnx, Atwooki, Genesis, BDstudos~

have a nice weekend. :)


one more thing, check this out.
here's the screenshot of the wire of the arm and the reference(very cheap one.lol) I'm using. See the size of the forearm? I think, it might be the wrist. Forearm's size is could be normal. What do you think?

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/forearmwire.jpg

[Bdstudios]

ah i see now. it just looks a little skinny i suppose. i bet once you get the rest of his rist and his hand done it will look fine. keep up the amazing work bro. im gonna start a tx model (the chic) cause i figured it would be fun.. and well arnold will need an advisary!!:D :D

[Obsidian]

Hey cool, I think we're using the same reference photos...I couldn't find any better ones either! :hmm:

I think in terms of hands, as long as they suit the model you'll be fine with it. However, if you are using T2 as reference there are plenty of good shots of his hands that you could probably capture. That was kind of what I was planning to do.

Any idea what kind of clothes you're going with? How do you plan on doing them? (Sorry if this was asked earlier...this thread is huge)

[JonC]

woaw your model is really comming good! :thumbsup: :drool:

could you show us a complete wireframe also?

[neversong]

Bdstudios: thnx. TX model will be really cool! I guess, it'll be kinda tough to get enough reference though. She's kinda new, right?

Obsidian: I know. this reference is very cheap. lol Well, I'm using other photos for details. this one is reference I'm using just for the proportions. I just checked another guy's work in finished gallery... who did a bodybuiler model using this same images. lol now, my model looks cheasy. :p

and yes, you're right. In T2, there should be some good references for the hand. I'll see if I can find any. thnx.

JonC: I'll post the wire once I finish the hand. Thank you!
:D

[Bdstudios]

your definatly right tx was a bastard to find reference for.. but i got them.. woohoo.. i dont realy have body references.. but i can pretty much just use a typical female for that. im gonna start a wip thread for her soon.

[XTitan]

I'm speachless, except for this one lil crit. I don't know if anyone mentioned it yet but here goes. I think that u should add more detail in da shoulders. He's got his bones all showin and such in da pic u posted, the one from the movie. Great work, da face is amazing
:wip:

[MDB101]

I like your model man, Need Referances? hehe here you go! all sorts in there if you look at the gallery, Theres the Muccles gallery, have a look at that :) I remebr doing a conan model I diidnt really model arni though, just used his body as a referance :) heh well good luck! and I hope you finished this!

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/english.html

[sethmisek]

http://www.planetquake.com/shattered/shine/images/ref/index.htm
check out the muscle reference area

nice model man!!! That really looks like him.

[neversong]

Bdstudios: cool! :)

XTitan: Thnx, man. I'll try to put more detail sooner or later.


MDB101, sethmisek: thank you for the links. Very cool!



:D

[Obsidian]

Well, I decided that I should post what I had...since this model has been helping me along in terms of inspiration.

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=723532

I have a feeling the head/face is going to kill me. :S I hope I can come up with something half as good as neversong's here!

[Psybah]

amazing work! it's a pleasure to see an artist of your caliber at work. Keep up the good work

[onslaught12]

Do you use MAC or PC?:shrug:

[neversong]

Thnx Psybah. :)

onslaught12: PC. Why do you ask??? :p FYI, I hate MAC. hahahaha

[spakman]

Originally posted by neversong
...the facial references I am using are mostly from T2.
So the age I'm aiming at is... about 35~40. and as I mentioned before, it's got only 70% of detail I plan to put yet.

Doh! I got suckered by my own question. You got it. (as far as matching body age with face, you'd be surprised how inconsistent that relationship is depending upon the person's general health and fitness - up to a certain point).

But (shaders and textures aside - cos that stuff is waaayyyy over my head), you've got some pretty accurate age indicators in your facial setup. I'd be interested in your take on why your arnold is around that age. But save it for later, I don't want to sidetrack this thread.

Just something I like to put out there when seeing work of this quality.

(off topic, but there was some article in a game mag about FF's character descriptions and their ages. I was struck by how they nailed it. I want to have that eye someday. It made me go back and reevaluate my own thought processes. Some tricked out knowledge those cats have).

peace d=^)

[neversong]

spakman: I really appreciate your bringing that up. Your point definately helped my thought/modeling process for sure.



and, guys, here's the wire. I decided to post these now...since I think the hand is going to take a lot longer than I can stand. :annoyed:

for the left images, I tried Brazil with DOF on.

C&C on the wire structure are always welcomed.



http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test29a.jpg
http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/test29.jpg

[santosLord]

This has to be one of my favorite threads ... I finally just had to say something.. I was going to wait till you finished but hey what the heck... this is some good stuff.. keep up the good work brah...

[HapZungLam]

holy cow, The edgeloops forms nicely. And your skin shader just pumps your model looks alot cooler.

How did you create your skin shader?

[benjii19]

I gather your goin to make terminator 4 then! some incredible modelling, keep it up. Its nice to see qa model where all the detail is pretty much in the model with no tricks as it were with bump mapping and all that lark. very nice muscle definition and it looks spot on arnie. Cheers this has given me the kick in the ass that I need to try some spline modelling, although I havent got a clue and cant figure out how to turn the bezier off in lightwave when using spline draw and why, when it skins that it makes triangles, instead of 4 point polys? ill have another look at your angelina jolie tut i think.


Good Job, im sure he will be back!! sorry couldnt resist

[safakoner]

:thumbsup: :applause:

[cgg]

neversong m8 what can i say? :eek:
this is an amazing modeling work you are doing , keep it going .

[Mormegil]

Yes, no question about it, one of the best models ever

[mwkmn]

Well simply a great model. Nothing I can possibly crit :buttrock:

...And I found out that you're Korean, too!
Baan gaa wo yo! :wavey:

[neversong]

thnx guys.

HapZungLam: I used multiple fall-offs including sell-illumination.

benjii19: I didn't know lightwave also has spline. anyway, lol yeah.. it's really hard to resist that. haha

mwkmn: yeap. I'm from Korea. nice to meet you too.

Lately, I spline-modeled the rough hand, and started adding details in polygon mode. working on the middle finger right now. :shame:

I guess, I'm going to convert arnold into polygon now. :D

[HapZungLam]

Originally posted by neversong
thnx guys.

I used multiple fall-offs including sell-illumination.

I guess, I'm going to convert arnold into polygon now. :D

Can i know a little more?

[neversong]

hey.

well, in fact, I found the falloff setting for this one after a lot of tweaking. so, I can't really remember what I exactly did. lol

but, check out previous replies in this thread. there are some info you might want.

if you are using MAX, spend sometime with fall-offs. then you'll get the idea.

[ninjacore]

wow, great thread.

i came on here just to find some examples of good muscle modelling and this is the first thing i open! superb!

i'm currently trying to make this huge beast/demon thing whos gonna have all the muscles! i'm treating it as a modelling project for myself. so far i have been following this good wire frame of a torso, basically poly by poly, but realised its not working out! and now i see yours! which looks more like what i want my demons body to look like. i'm intregued your using splines, and i'll definatly give this a go.

i'm trying to find that one good guide to modelling good muscle structures, but the only way i think i can do this is by studying other peoples wires, and muscles refrence photos, which i've downloaded!

anyway, thanks for inspiring me here. i might be off in the right direction now.


:thumbsup:

[Obsidian]

Hehehe, neversong seems to be very good at inspiring people. :)

[neversong]

hey, Obsidian

maybe you're right.

and it's a good thing? I guess. :D

[Bdstudios]

hey just letting you know i started my tx thread. she is turning out realy bad so far.. it isnt even close to as good as your arnold, but im tryin my best. go check it out if you like

[Icestar]

a couple of months ago it was the brazilians shining, now it's the koreans, how cool. When i was doing my course at college, i was the only one with a preference for spline modelling and everyone else was like eeewww spline modelling. it's so underated, which is why i love this model even more!!:applause: :love:

[neversong]

hey, Icestar, exactly! :buttrock:

[onslaught12]

The pc and mac question was something my friend wanted to ask someone. He feel MAC are better for some reason. Personally I hate MAC myself, but he thinks that 3D is better done with MAC:annoyed: Anyways great work keep it coming

[neversong]

onslaught12: well, I think MAC has great design at least.(except the idea of 'one button mouse')

and I also think if I spent that much money for MAC, I'd try to brainwash myself- 'MAC is great! MAC is great!'

just kidding. lol - sorry, MAC heads.:D



Here's a screenshot of the hand I'm working on for Arnold. My friend, Travian3D told me the bodybuilder's fingers need to be thicker. Funny, I used that cheap hand model sheet from fineart.sk... and now it looks like my hand! lol

anyway, C&C please. :)

http://damascus.com.ne.kr/temp/handtest.jpg

[Obsidian]

I agree about the finges, they should indeed be thicker. I would also suggest adding veins to the top of the hands. All the people I know that bodybuild have very pronounced veins there. You may also want to make the heel and wrist a little beefier as well, but that will be decided when you attach it to your model's arm.

Keep up the awesome work.

[neversong]

thnx, Obsidian.

OK, I'll have to find some good hand reference than this cheap one. hope I can fix the feminine fingers without ruining the shape.

Just converted the body into poly, and adding details...

workflow is speeding up a bit. :D

thnx, again.

[Killer_bean]

hello neversong!!!!!
awsome arnie you done !:cool:
and the great tutorial too! :cool:
and i have a couple of questions about it,
could you explain me how you conected the vertexies on top of the head, something like collaps vertexies in editable poly
sorry about the stupeed question but i never used splines :shrug:
i said couple of questions - so i guess i got only one
thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!

[spakman]

Yo neversong!

...you caught me in the middle of the move. My computer is the last to go. Personally, I suck at hands and mine are too skinny to use as reference (my thumbs are also too short, which sucks for piano).

So I dig what you're doing, but I'd rilly like to see the whole dealio. Hands are indeed a fractal subset of their own, but I want to see more attention paid to the first fractal: the head (you pretty much nailed), the arms, and torso too, (still rilly love your lats).

I say stick those dope hands on there as best you can and show me some leg!

(BTW there's this insane Arnold that Jeff Bunker built in Animation Master. I think it came with the app. Some excellent stuff. Jeff Bunker was the first guy I noticed who used splines to mimic real muscles, yet deform with limitations on weights. "edgeloops" (we called it "splineage" in Hash. I'm gonna find the link and edit this post when I find it) To this day, his leg layout is one of the best I've ever seen.

Those are some mad skillz you're offering to the cybercosmos.

hit me back neversong! I want more! :cool:

Peace d=^)

[neversong]

thnx guys.

Killer_bean: I don't understand what you mean. you mean the tool? then check the tut again. or you mean, the spline structure? There are just too many ways of doing it. and there are a lot of tuts out there which you'll find more helpful than my replies. :) thank you.

spakman: hey. thnx. I didn't have much time to work on him lately... taking care of other things. currently, starting on the leg.
:D

anyway... have a nice weekend!

[Killer_bean]

hi neversong, actualy i ment the tool, i thought that need to collaps the vertecies , but in the end they just need to be coincident to create a surface!
now in the tutorial i hardy can see the mesh, could you sent me closeups on the mouth and the eyes area of the mesh
but with good resolution
thank you! mail: pavel_v@mail15.com

[Nighthawk]

hey man...your work is simply AMAZING!!!!!!:buttrock: :thumbsup:

[neversong]

thank you Nighthawk. :D


KillerBean: I recommend you to try various tutorials for that matter. :) Good luck.

[LowJacK]

Wow....Excellent job! I noticed in your reference pic that Arnie has some vertical creasing between his eyebrows. Your geometry is beautiful and I am excited to see two more things from this. Facial animation and what he will look like when he is textured. The texture will really show the likeness I think.

[lukx]

neversong are you using with your max finalrender or brazil?

[Killer_bean]

hi neversong sure i've tried other tutorials too
i just wanted to see your mesh, but if you cant send it to me you could tell me
thanks again!

[neversong]

thnx guys!

killerbean: :D sorry about that.

Lux: that one image is using brazil. I've been using brazil, but I guess I'm going to use final render. Its new version is crazy!!!!

LowJack: thank you. I'll try for sure. :D

[lukx]

yep indeed stage 1 is really awesome

[actarus6]

congratulations great piece of modelling

can u help me with the skins?
I love your results

bye and thanks in advance
:applause: :blush:

[Dennispls]

impressive
nice work on the body i really like it and it looks like him
GJ

[DoctorStopMo]

Amazing model! Your Angelina Jolie head was really nice. Keep up the good work! I'd love to see more!

[Voursez]

Damn! I never would have thought it would be that great! Are you going to make the whole body without clothes? I've never seen Arnold naked... :surprised

[neversong]

Thank you guys!

In fact, I have not had enough time to work on this one for last 3~4 weeks.

Although I finished the lower body, I'm not going to post it till I make some satisfying progress. :rolleyes:

Voursez: He's wearing a short tight pants for now. I really didn't want to model his private part.. lol so, I just gave him that lame... 'hulk's pants ' looking one.

I plan to model a leather pants and boots for him though.

;)

actarus6: It's really hard to answer when people ask me how I did the skin.. because I myself had to do a lot of tweaking(falloffs) till I get that result. Maybe, sometime.. when I get really good at it...I'll try to write a short tutorial.

good nite!:D

[radu3]

Hi there!

Your Arnie it's exceptional :applause:

but i want to ask you something.....Please, will you post an image from front and profil head...please...please :drool:

[actarus6]

thank u for the reply

Artist

because that's u are:applause:

If u can and if u want please be more specific on the falloff(if u have time)

Thanks however:p

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