Starship Troopers 2

[elvis75k]

WWhhhooaa! :eek:

[parallax]

I sure hope that they keep the verhoeven approach on the script.

Starship troopers was a very good and intelligent film.

[leuey]

That's a joke, right? (sorry, it's late.)

-Greg



Originally posted by parallax
I sure hope that they keep the verhoeven approach on the script.

Starship troopers was a very good and intelligent film.

[JamesMK]

Originally posted by leuey
That's a joke, right? (sorry, it's late.)
Don't think he's joking. It was actually a very clever movie, just look beyond the bug-splatter. It was intelligent in the same ironic way as the first RoboCop film.

[victor throe]

i agree

they were genius

robocop was on the other night









'its a free society....xcept there aint nothing free......you're on your own.........theres a lot of jungle..oooo hoooo hoooo hooooo'

[parallax]

That's a joke, right? (sorry, it's late.)

I'm dead serious.
I suggest you really go out and watch that movie again, maybe you did not get the point.
Just as JamesMK said,
Its more then simple bug splattering. If you have seen more of verhoeven's films, then you will see the point.

[yog]

Ah sorry, I thought you were joking too :shrug:

The book is a work of art with a tight satirical view of the future society that Earth may become, and in comparrison the film is more of a cartoon :surprised

It's like somebody read the book, ripped the balls out of it and put what was left on the screen.

[xynaria]

"this direct to video production " :surprised

[parallax]

The book is a work of art with a tight satirical view of the future society that Earth may become, and in comparrison the film is more of a cartoon

It's like somebody read the book, ripped the balls out of it and put what was left on the screen.

I don't entirely agree. Some things that work on paper, don't necisarily work out well on the big screen.
Add to that the fact that half your public would probably not understand a story like this anyway.

There still much of the satirical view left. You only have to look at the props to see that.
The camera crew on battlefield is especially a nice touch with the recent war in Iraq.

[Signal2Noise]

Yep, this 'direct-to-video' approach and a bunch of no-name cast members (which at times is a good thing) does not bode very well.:shrug:

Funny, I thought the first ST was a fantastic movie and didn't it do well in the theater? I'm surprised the sequel is not getting the big-screen release treatment.

[leuey]

Uh - the point? The book was brilliant. The book had a point. The movie was f'ing stupid. It was fun and the bug splattering was the only good thing about it. Maybe you never read the book - the movie did not do it justice. It most certainly did NOT get the "point" across. I've seen the movie about 20 times.

The movie is roundly considered by fans of the book to be stupid. Robocop was clever. SST was stupid. The bugs were cool. The movie was stupid. Vorhoven (sp?) typically mangles whatever he touches. If you want to argue about the "point" of starship troopers (citizship and the right to vote tied to military service, why they train the way they do, tactics, ect) - then talk about the book. The movie misses the "point".

no offense.

-Greg


Originally posted by parallax
I'm dead serious.
I suggest you really go out and watch that movie again, maybe you did not get the point.
Just as JamesMK said,
Its more then simple bug splattering. If you have seen more of verhoeven's films, then you will see the point.

[Goon]

First off having a non-star cast doesnt really bother me as long as they can act. I don't care if its straight to video or not. Selecting people based on stardom is such a crock, even though it does help sell movies.

Second this is a sequel. A sequel to a movie that butchered a very intelligent and philosphical book, and paid far too much attention to the action. This sequel is being produced not even off of what the original book had to say but to what they are tacking on to the ending. Even if you thought the first movie had something to say, how can you think that about a freaking sequel. There are very few good tacked on plots. And this will not be one of them.

[tyryan]

Stupid or intelligent, I really don't care. I enjoyed the first movie so I will watch the second,

[Boone]

For me Starship troopers was another Robocop. Which was a good thing!

The satire, the jokes, the violence, the hypocripsy of human society...and of course lots of Phil Tippet animated bugs!

This new sequel also reminds me of Robocop 2. You'll notice that Robocop 2 was partly produced by Phil Tippet. It also used heavy stop-motion animation...which leads me to believe that good'ol Phil Tippet just wanted to have an excuse to lets his creations run riot!

I reckon that Starship Troopers 2 will have 10 times more bugs in it. However, I'm uncertain if Paul Verhoven is back on board...if he isn't, then some of the other elements will be lacking.

I personally can't wait for it.

"BUGS!!!! KILL! KILL THEM ALLLLL!!!!":scream:

[ndog]

First time director, no name cast and direct to video :annoyed: , I hope they have given him a decent budget but they probably skimped there in order to get the movie made at all.

I'm still hoping that something decent will come out of it and will buy the video if it's any good at all.

As far as the first movie and the book, I've enjoyed them both but consider them separate items except for the name.

[ICO88]

Starship troopers the book wasnt satire

robert heinlein thought that was an ideal society for the future

paul had to make it satire (I dont think facism would go off to well these days)

[slaughters]

Originally posted by Boone
For me Starship troopers was another Robocop. Which was a good thing!

The satire, the jokes, the violence, the hypocripsy of human society...and of course lots of Phil Tippet animated bugs! Umm... Then they should have just made a movie under a different name and not used the books title.

Other than the lead characers name and the movie title there was really very little tie in between the two.

The stories started differently, ended differently, and had a different plot in between.
The characters were physically and culturally different (the main character in the book is a non-white Indonesian).
The enemies were different (where were the skinnies?)
The technology used was different (no exoskeleton armor?)
The toop deployment was different (no drop capsules?)
(The last two items were major plot devices in the book)

Heck.. They even left out the fact that entire cities on earth where bombed out of existance by the bugs during the war (including the heros home town-murdering his mother in the process).

Essentially the movie was about a bunch of Neo-Nazi boy scouts running around shooting bug-eyed alien monsters while using "iffy" special effects (roaring flames rising into the air while burning on the outside of a hull in the vacum of space!!??)

What a major disappointment for any one who had actually read and enjoyed the story.

[Boone]

Yeah, I have to agree that the movie was totally different to the book.

Still, I'm just looking forward to seeing Phil Tippet make his first film for himself( lets face it, why else would he be making this? )...he can do whatever he wants!

This means he can go crazy with loads of animation and really exciting action scenes. Cool!

I think its about high-time that Phil Tippet began making the movies that he wants to make...just like Ray Harryhausen before him.

Good luck, Phil!:thumbsup:

[d4rk]

Originally posted by parallax
Starship troopers was a very good and intelligent film.

The only problem I had with the movie was how they F*ed up Rayzak. There was a scene where this trooper get's picked up by a flying bug and Rayzak grabs a sniper rifle and puts his sight on the guy and kills him.... HE COULD HAVE SAVED THE GUY BY KILLING THE BUG. Then he tells his own men to do the same:banghead: wtf?!

Also when he's begging to be put out of his misery.. that is not the Rayzak I know. I liked the animated series better, plus in the movie they left out/skipped over alot of good stuff.

Technology has improved so much since then, I can't wait to see what they come up with now. Unfortunatly I think that they killed of some of the characters that either were not supposed to die and or erased the possibilities for some of the really cool storylines that could have been done.

THEY MUST BRING BACK DOOGIE HOUSER THOUGH!!!
It will be unacceptable if they have another actor play his character IMHO.


btw yes I know that Rayzak dies in the original storyline, I just wish they could have let him go with more dignity.

[parallax]

The movie was f'ing stupid. It was fun and the bug splattering was the only good thing about it.

Then why did you go and see it 20 times?

The movie was stupid. Vorhoven (sp?) typically mangles whatever he touches. If you want to argue about the "point" of starship troopers (citizship and the right to vote tied to military service, why they train the way they do, tactics, ect) - then talk about the book. The movie misses the "point".


I'm afraid you really did not get the film.
The serving in the military is only a minor detail in the film, its more about a totalitarian state, it draws a parallel with nazi-germany and has elements a la 1984 in it.

Its evident in all the elements in this film; the cloths they wear, the social structure, the characters themselves are even charicatures.
If you think its a dumb action flick, then you're horribly mistaken.

Also, please stop comparing books and films.
They are entirely different media, and therefor must be used differently. If you think that stories that might work on paper should be literally copied to the screen, then you're also mistaken.
It does not work like that. Film does not work like that. You have to adapt a story to fit into a 2 hour movie, that also has to appeal to a broad audience.

[leuey]

Originally posted by parallax
Then why did you go and see it 20 times?

I'm afraid you really did not get the film.
The serving in the military is only a minor detail in the film, its more about a totalitarian state, it draws a parallel with nazi-germany and has elements a la 1984 in it.

.

Hey I'm not trying to fight here and I never said I didn't like it. I just said it was stupid. I usually describe it as the 'best bad movie I've ever seen'. It's thoroughly enjoyable. But "intelligent"??? I think I would be ridiculed out of the room if I ever dared to utter that to other movie-goers.

It's not like I didn't notice the little societal commentary V. put in there. He clubs you over the head with them - it's not exactly subtle filmmaking.


You're right about comparing movies to books - it never really works. It was just such an utter shame to see such a (sorry but here it is) UN-intelligent movie made out such a brilliant book.

It's just hard to separate the two - esp. when the movie did such a horrible job depicting the 'points' of the book.

If you really liked that stuff in the movie you would probably love the book. You would also see in hindsight that the movie wasn't clever or intelligent or subtle in any shape or form. The little tid-bits of 'intelligence' you saw in the movie were remnants of the origianal scripts and 'we've seen it before' moments from Robocop.

As it is you probably enjoy movies more than me so there ya' go : )

later,

Greg

[leuey]

Originally posted by parallax
Then why did you go and see it 20 times?

I'm afraid you really did not get the film.
The serving in the military is only a minor detail in the film, its more about a totalitarian state, it draws a parallel with nazi-germany and has elements a la 1984 in it.

.

Hey I'm not trying to fight here and I never said I didn't like it. I just said it was stupid. I usually describe it as the 'best bad movie I've ever seen'. It's thoroughly enjoyable. But "intelligent"??? I think I would be ridiculed out of the room if I ever dared to utter that to other movie-goers.

It's not like I didn't notice the little societal commentary V. put in there. He clubs you over the head with them - it's not exactly subtle filmmaking.


You're right about comparing movies to books - it never really works. It was just such an utter shame to see such a (sorry but here it is) UN-intelligent movie made out such a brilliant book.

It's just hard to separate the two - esp. when the movie did such a horrible job depicting the 'points' of the book.

If you really liked that stuff in the movie you would probably love the book. You would also see in hindsight that the movie wasn't clever or intelligent or subtle in any shape or form. The little tid-bits of 'intelligence' you saw in the movie were remnants of the origianal scripts and 'we've seen it before' moments from Robocop.

As it is you probably enjoy movies more than me so there ya' go : )

later,

Greg

[malducin]

Well as far as the news, Phil Tippett's directorial debut was announced at least in March maybe as early as January 2003. Anyway, Phil Tippett has been wanting to direct a film for a long time and has continally expressed this interest for years. Problem might be the script they always give to FX guys, witness John Bruno with Virus.

Good thing is the core group of behind the scene people are also doing it., Ed Neumier and Jon Davison. It could work, I enjoyed Tremors 2 which was direct to video, and curiously Tippett Studio was involved.

[FabioMSilva]

i heard George W. bush was going to direct Rambo IV

[victor throe]

as long as the SFX dont follow the road of

CG BOSS "hey mr director...look at this nice plugin we have created....it doesnt have a use yet though..."

DIRECTOR "wow....create creatures that use that technology....i dont care if it doesnt work properly......and give him a long leather coat too....thatll add the flies to the shit pile.....im going for a wank"

[Nocturn]

Don't they have helicopters in the future? Why send in ground troops when they could have wiped them out from 30ft in the air perfectly safe....

[victor throe]

wasnt part of their job to capture a boss bug?

or maybe they were too deep under ground for conventional werapons to have any effect

or may its just plain simple

it would have been a crap film that way

[Boone]

Hey, guys. Tone down the vulgar language...and quit being so angry. Lets not jump down each other's throats...:shame:

Yeah, the Movie was extremely different from the book...no getting out of that one!

However, the Movie was quite an enjoyable pop-corn yarn all the same. Who remembers when Johnny Rico jumped on the back of the "Tanker" bug and tried to "hang on"...as animators we loved it! You have to admit that it was fun to watch...

I personally hope that one day I get to see the Japanese animated series of StarShip Troopers. They say that was more like the original novel...

So just chill out! We all have our own opinions of Starship Troopers...some good, some bad. But lets not start on each other, now, shall we?



:beer:

[malducin]

as long as the SFX dont follow the road of...

Well no problem there as the Director, Phil Tippett, is also the owner of the VFX house that'll do a good chunk of the VFX, Tippett Studio. Probably Tippett's right hand man, Craig Hayes, will supervise. Besides Tippet knows what he is doing when it comes to VFX.

[Cogliostros]

rest assured... the vfx of Starship Troopers 2 are in great hands...

:thumbsup:

[slaughters]

Originally posted by Nocturn
Don't they have helicopters in the future? Why send in ground troops when they could have wiped them out from 30ft in the air perfectly safe.... The book brings up this argument as well and explains it as the bugs Queens being buried to deep underground for bombs to reach her. All you would get would be a few workers and solder bugs on the surface. Even saturation nuclear bombing would not necessarily kill them, while it would make the planet un-inabitable for humans.

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