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rawshark
05-04-2002, 09:57 PM
You all may be sick of these questions, but here goes...

I have about £240 ($350 USD) to spend on a graphics card. I was totally into the ELSA SYNERGY III, but can't seem to get hold of one, so I started thinking about a GeFORCE 3. Any thoughts? I don't need dual monitor support, but do want the fastest 3DS Max performance available for my money. Also I heard that the GeFORCE 3 can be tweaked into a Quadro DCC - true?
Thanks for any help.

3DMadness
05-05-2002, 01:08 AM
ELSA was going to close their doors, avoid them!
Searching in www.pricewatch.co.uk I've found this store http://www.komplett.co.uk/ that have a Creative 3DBlaster GeForce4 Ti4400 128MB - AGP, DDRAM, TV-Out, DVI, Retail for £228,00 that will be the best card you can get with less than £240.
Cheers! :beer:

Flįvio

ZrO-1
05-05-2002, 02:38 AM
For your price range the GeForce3 or Radion 8500 are your best bet. In that price bracket any pro openGL card is going to be at least a year old technology or worse. If you go with the GeForce you could use the soft Quadro although I tried it and didn't see that much of an improovement in performance and I had a lot of system crashes with it installed. There is another patch program called NVmax which will let you turn on hardware overlays and sideband addressing which are the two big differences between the quadro and geforce. However with the NVmax your system doesn't recognise your card as a quadro so you can't use the program specific driver plugins for your 3D app.

One other thing: if you do decide to go with an Nvidia card and you are trying to stay in the $350 range go with a GeForce 3 over any of the GeForce 4mx variants. The 4mx line is actually just an enhanced GeForce2 core so you'll get more performance out of a GeForce3.

hope that helps

rawshark
05-05-2002, 04:19 PM
thanks for the advice - looks like it'll be the geforce 3...although there seems to be a bewildering number of different ones...is there a particular brand I should be looking out for?

3DMadness
05-05-2002, 07:57 PM
If you have up to £240 to spend on a new video card why don't you get the GeForce4 Ti4400??
Where are you from?
If you decide to go with GeForce3, choose GeForce3 Ti500 from Leadtek, Gainward, ASUS, MSI, Hercules, Abit or another "branded" card.
Cheers!

Flįvio

ZrO-1
05-05-2002, 08:09 PM
Hey wow, I just did a search on yahoo shopping on the GeForce4 Ti4400 and it is below $350...actually most of them were under $300...I hadn't realised that their price had dropped so much.

Given that the 4400 is less than I thought it was I'd go with that over the GeForce 3. Thanks for bringing that up 3Dmadness, I hadn't realised.

3DMadness
05-05-2002, 08:17 PM
No problem, man! :thumbsup:
But I'm lookin forward the GeForce4 Ti4200 that are coming, they're supposed to be under $200 :cool:
Cheers! :beer:

Flįvio

rawshark
05-06-2002, 01:04 PM
I thought the Geforce4 was just an enhanced Geforce2? Am I missing something? Why buy a slower card just because its cheaper?
Thanks again for the help!
By the way, I'm from the UK, but live in Rome, Italy

KayosIII
05-06-2002, 01:29 PM
I was under the impression that Geforce II core was slightly faster than the Geforce III. Unless your prog supports the Geforce III specific features.....

3DMadness
05-07-2002, 02:40 PM
rawshark: the problem is that nVidia confuses everybody with they naming scheme. The GeForce4 MX line is and enhanced GeForce2, we're also calling it a GeForce2.5 :p
Then you have the GeForce4 Ti line. This is a new card and the most powerfull "gaming card" today. Well, it's supposed to be a gaming card but it is a really powerfull OpenGL card and can kill many "professional cards". So, when you will get your new card, look for GeForce4 Ti line like:
GeForce4 Ti4600
GeForce4 Ti4400
GeForce4 Ti4200 (not in stores yet, but will be the best bang for a buck!) :cool:
Then you should avoyd the MX line like:
GeForce4 MX460
GeForce4 MX440
GeForce4 MX420
Look really carefully, you can see that the naming of these two lines are really confusing! :) Pick your card carefully and good luck! :thumbsup:
KayosIII : it is also a naming problem. You can have a GeForce2 faster than a GeForce3, like if you compare a GeForce2 Ultra against a GeForce3 Ti200. But a GeForce3 Ti500 is faster than any GeForce2 card. Again, if you get an original GeForce3, a GeForce2 Ultra can be faster than it in 3DSMAX. :)
Confusing, isn't it? :wip:
Cheers! :beer:

Flįvio

neilyb
05-07-2002, 02:42 PM
Actually I am looking for a new card also and as I can't afford the top end Quadro's was looking at the geforce4 Ti...128mb.....are they really any good? What improvement will I see over my geforce2 mx 400? What is their OpenGL like?

3DMadness
05-07-2002, 02:46 PM
neilyb: go get a GeForce4 Ti! Just be carefull with the naming scheme as I said in the last post. :)
They are good, they are fast and they can push much more polygons in much higher resolution than your GeForce2 MX. Isn't it enough? :D
If you wait a little longer you can grab a GeForce4 Ti4200 that will cost under $200 and will be a really bargain!
Cheers!

Flįvio

neilyb
05-07-2002, 02:56 PM
I am hoping on my way through Singapore airport I can find a bargain anyway.....!

Thanks to 3D madness!

Flynn
05-08-2002, 07:14 AM
I would just like to say I went from a geForce2mx 64 to a leadtek ti 4400 128 .......and let me jsut tell you it is a huge difference...however if your using an older machine you probably wont notice all that much of a difference becouse your bottleneck would be your cpu/ram/hardrive.....

Got my card for under $300 about a month ago....from what I hear you can get the ti4600 for only $50 more...

not sure if this helps in any way shape or form...but I posted it anyway hehe.

:beer:

neilyb
05-08-2002, 07:41 AM
My PC is P4 2ghz with 512 MB DDR ram....possibly the only new PC to come with a GeForce2 mx.....lol....so now I have one in the drawer and one in the PC......worst thing is they are worth zilch! I shall look out for the geforce 4 ti4600 on my travels!

Cheers!:beer:

bibi5000
05-08-2002, 08:54 AM
@neilyb: If you're interested in a FireGL 8800, let me know :)

rawshark
05-11-2002, 04:33 PM
Thanks for all the help guys...particularly 3D Madness for clarifying the whole naming thing . I finally chose the GeForce4 Ti4400...arriving next Thursday.
Now if only I could figure out which driver to use...:rolleyes:
(just kidding)
Thanks again.

3DMadness
05-11-2002, 11:47 PM
LOL!! :D
At least their drivers are not as confusing as their naming scheme! You have "one drive fits all", just go to www.nvidia.com and grab the latest Detonator driver.
I'm glad to be usefull!
Cheer :beer:

Flįvio

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