DWIV - Mini Challenge #1 - War General Portraits 3D

[Seven]

Im almost certain this is my final image, going to give it a few hours before i upload it though.

http://www.sl0511.com/images/dominancewar/JonBerry_DW4_Mini1_Final.jpg

[BoBo-the-seal]

Wow! some very nice work here guys!

I'm afraid I see a lot of entries that will be disqualified though. :(
You have to bake back down to the provided base mesh for the final and can't edit the topology.

- BoBo

[DragonSFX]

OK, here is my last WIP. i am hopeing to upload my fiinal in a few hours. i have a question though... Do We HAVE to use ALL the colors? or will my entry be ok like it is??

thanks,
Levi
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7803/40101ecomp1sm.jpg

[Seven]

Bobo could you please explain in more detail? I am not 100% what you mean and I am concerned mine will be disqualified.

Do you mean however the basemesh, however slight, was altered to generate the normal map. The final normal map must adear to the original mesh with no alterations (except UV) no slight vert/poly move to help your entry fit the form of your normal map better?

If so then, please correct me if im wrong, cgtalk and game artisans rules differ slightly:

GA - Zbrushers and Normal Mappers: you can push/pull verts for the purposes of generating a normal map, but be careful--you must bake that normal map back onto the unaltered (except for UVs) basemesh, and if you push it too far you'll run into trouble. No extra geo should be added to the base mesh.

CGT - Zbrushers/Mudboxers: you can push verts but the overall silhouette must stay intact and no extra geo should be added to the base mesh.

CGT allows you to slightly move some verts as long as the overall silhouette remains, GA does not.

Cheers!

[hhhjun]

NEW my final
http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09101/hamageneral_mini3d_byjun_cgsociety669.jpg

[BoBo-the-seal]

Seven - Yours looks fine to me. One of the ones I'm concerned about is Dargon. It kicks sooooo much ass! I just worry that it hasn't been baked down to the supplied mesh.

- BoBo

[Seven]

Cheers Bobo, and your right Dargons is awesome!

hhhjun - love the texture on your general.

[Stutts]

HHjun you final is looking sweet and seven yours is awesomee too! Everyones work is looking really good!

I'll post my final tonight I just ahave a dew things left to do.

[GreenBomber]

I went with a bit more cartoon feel and less focused on fine detail work. I enjoy the exercise.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8161/90946333.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8161/90946333.jpg)

[MDLekopoy]

C:\Documents and Settings\mlekopoy\My Documents\Assignments\Stupid Head Thing\RenderFront.jpg C:\Documents and Settings\mlekopoy\My Documents\Assignments\Stupid Head Thing\RenderSide.jpg

[FranciscoAlvarezDelgado]

Kharn-ivor - thanks a lot man!..Congratulations on general Megalodon!.. I am glad I was able to finish in time. There is a lot great work here, it is a great learning experience and cool to see the work come together. Zeoyn, Dargon and many others have good examples of great work. Cogratulations to everyone.

[denisign]

It needs some adjustments yet. Hope to have it done in time...
http://http://siteteste.dreamhosters.com/GeneralDog_update.jpghttp://siteteste.dreamhosters.com/GeneralDog_update.jpg

[hhhjun]

Thinks's SEVEN and STUTTS likes my work!

[dedalus]

:thumbsup:cool i like ithttp://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=138999&stc=1http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139000&stc=1http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139001&stc=1

[dedalus]

http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139002&stc=1http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139003&stc=1http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139004&stc=1:shrug:加油加油.努力中 ...

[M-Cubed]

Hey guys, guess I didn't post much in a little while, since I'm all done now. So here's some more WIP images, and then my final render. Hope ya like it.

http://m-cub3d.com/wp-content/gallery/dominance-war-iv/general_sculpt_old.jpg
This the sculpted high poly version at an earlier stage. I later changed some design elements to make it look more interesting.

http://m-cub3d.com/wp-content/gallery/dominance-war-iv/general_sculpt.jpg
This was the final sculpt. I think it was around 2.5M polys. It was then exported out as a normal map using a combination of Mudbox, Xnormal, and combining maps together in photoshop to make the one 1024X normal map.

http://m-cub3d.com/wp-content/gallery/dominance-war-iv/general_maps.jpg
These are the three maps that I used. Diffuse and Specular were made in photoshop.

http://m-cub3d.com/wp-content/gallery/dominance-war-iv/general_sides.jpg
The three sides of the final object with all the maps in place. The hose, hose box, helmet, and the flag that I added later all add up to 442 tris, so well under the 500 tri limit.

http://m-cub3d.com/wp-content/gallery/dominance-war-iv/general_final_web.jpg

And lastly the final image. I really like a lot of the models that I saw here, especially Zeoyn's. Really nice design there imo. And RaresH had a really cool idea there by turning the mesh upside down.

All in all I had a lot of fun, and can't wait for the main challenge to start!
Good luck everyone!

[sawboo]

hello guys! I'm Saw from Thailand. These are my wip images. First, I changed it's UV and started sculpting in zbrush. Then I tested Quality of normal map that I generated in Zmapper.
And I textured quickly in Photoshop. hope you guys like it.
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Zbrush_Fin04.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Zbrush_Fin05.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Zbrush_Fin.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Zbrush_Fin02.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Zbrush_Fin03.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Normal_Test01.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Normal_Test02.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Color_Test.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Color_Test02.jpg
Sorry that I post many pictures at one time.

[nellement]

Heres my final,everyone great entries,hope you like it and wish you good luck

http://i40.tinypic.com/e9hoqh.gif

[tencore]

I know that is a stupid question but can anybody tell me that the deadline is in wich time zone ?

[NordicNinja]

I believe that 12:00 midnight eastern is:

11:00 central

10:00 mountain

09:00 pacific

:)

*EDIT*
Sorry, that's assuming your in the US. I'm not sure about locations abroad. :(

[tencore]

thank you, then I have +6 hours.

[Dargon]

Wow! some very nice work here guys!

I'm afraid I see a lot of entries that will be disqualified though. :(
You have to bake back down to the provided base mesh for the final and can't edit the topology.

- BoBo

I don't think that would be very fair - to defend my work and all.

I followed what was said in the brief on this thread. In fact, I referred to it often, to make sure I was in the clear.

I also put in a tonne of work into this, and the most difficult part was getting decent normals without a re-topology. I totally would've rebuilt the mouth area, instead of (as you can see in my works in progress shots) continually shortening the teeth to make the bake work.

There was also no indication - despite posting regularly - that I was doing anything wrong, until I had finished painting all of my diffuse.

- You are allowed to alter the uvs of the base mesh.
- Zbrushers/Mudboxers: you can push verts but the overall silhouette must stay intact and no extra geo should be added to the base mesh.

Once you are finished with colors and details, you can then pose the head and alter its expression for your final presentation.

The fact that the brief was different on another forum isn't my fault, and I shouldn't be punished for it.

Sorry if the tone of my post is strong, but I'm a little upset to maybe be disqualified on this.

[martinprestegaard]

This is properly gonna be my final Not all that happy with it the texture is abit to confusing, makes it hard to see what is what on it.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5669/final07.jpg

[cptHook]

I see lots of good works here! Here's the original low poly with additinal 466 tris and the mesh with baked normal and occlusion maps. Hope, I'll manage to complete my work on time.
http://img5.imageshost.ru/imgs/090302/d0a4ff7dd88beb81df2c7f34fbbb39c6/983a52b7ef7c97da720072427936ddd5.jpg (http://imageshost.ru/)

[aelwine]

Ok here is my final... it's 4am here, I'm kind of glad the time zone are in my favor this time, even though it'll be another story at work tomorrow :D

Anyway, here it is, the lighting and shaders could be better, but I had to quickly revert to max after 2 years whithout using it since I couldn't get the normal map to act nicely in Maya T_T

http://narthalion.free.fr/3d/images/DW4/DW4_mini01_Final.jpg
Base mesh + 500tris
normal map
color map
bump map
specular map

I'm a bit tired to comment everything, but I must say I'm pretty impressed by some works displayed here.
I really like Dargon's one (I do hope you won't have any problem, that would be a real shame )

[Kharn-ivor]

Dargon (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=24430) mate i shouldnt worry, Your mesh dosnt look like its been retoped and youve respected the rules, youll be fine ^^

some others though :s

I thought that adding teeth and horns with the 500 tri was not ok, from what i understood the 500 tri had to be obviously not part of the same model, so hats etc were ok.

Some people seem to have posted 2d in the 3D sections too wich is unfortunate

the most comon error seems to be the lack of team colors hehe then again i cant see them being too demanding on that count :)

So yeah Dargon theirs no way youll be in trouble, nice work btw ^^
and good work to everyone!:thumbsup:

K

[zaph]

My final =)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/zatochi/renderout4.jpg
Base + just under 500tris
Diffuse
Specular
Illuminate
Normal

[lostpencil]

Hey Dargon,

Of course I'm not a judge, but I don't think you have to worry. Since you didn't change the topology and the profile still looks like the base mesh (you just rotated it forward). My guess is that only some verts were tweaked on the head using zbrush/mudbox. That all sounds like it's legit to me.

Plus, your work is amazing. I gotta say it's one of my favorites - total inspo.

[tencore]

I still have to do the specular map

[Zeoyn]

Dargon> You should have no problem. For me it looks great and deserves to go to the next phase. Everyone knows the great effort you have put on your work and I support you 100%.

[Garmonbozia]

Here´s my final entry. I wasn´t very fond of the necklace so I used the opacity map to hide it. Let´s just hope i don´t get in trouble for it. I shouldn´t though since the use of all maps except displacement is allowed.

Looking forward to the main Dominance War now!
Cheers!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/siQster/karume_final.jpg

[LEADEN]

Hi ! No more time to finish but it was pretty fun ! Good luck !


http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/Buzz_81/DW_wip_000small.jpg

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/Buzz_81/DW_wip_001_small.jpg

Final picture

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt195/Buzz_81/DW_final_small.jpg

[PLyczkowski]

Leaden - it's a pity you didn't finish - it's a great model.

[XTitan]

Another update.

http://www.pavlindimitrov.com/Zav_05.jpg

[MrChop]

this is my z brushed version
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2345/248/54/512391854/n512391854_1378805_6518999.jpg
and this is just my normal map in Maya
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2345/248/54/512391854/n512391854_1378855_106037.jpg
drastic difference:banghead:

[Hooloovooloo]

double post, sorry

[Hooloovooloo]

Hey everyone, just posting my one and only WIPs. I've been very busy of late, so I've only worked on this this last week, and my computer crashed and set me back quite a lot, so I've done most of the work this very evening, while being very stressed. I don't know if I'll be able to submit in time, but if not I will still have had the pleasure and learning experience :)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Hooloovooloo/zbrush_screen1.png
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Hooloovooloo/zbrush_screen2.png

[quicksheep]

another WIP. This is a maya viewport shot of the base mesh with normals applied.

http://www.axiomltd.ca/storage/photos/cardinal_027.jpg

[Zeoyn]

Laden> Great model! I was already getting used to the polygonal helmet, it gave him a very futuristic look :D

[CChatwell]

Hey guys, here is my 3rd work in progress, I'm liking it but the normals just do not translate very well back onto the base mesh. Of course he still needs eyes and whiskers but that will come soon enough.
http://www.corychatwell.com/tibbs_progress.jpg

[cptHook]

It seems my time is up, and last entry in this funny challenge- crazy color test. Good luck!

http://img5.imageshost.ru/imgs/090303/fb6d44118bb6dd6d745d872a61f6ecb8/dbe132b2e85a3e05ad8b9ed5693a2d04.jpg (http://imageshost.ru/)

[sawboo]

This is my final image I rendered in metalray maya2008 and comp in photoshop
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Obamama_Fin.jpg
These are pictures in others view.
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test02.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test03.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test04.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test05.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test06.jpg
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/infernopolis/Test07.jpg
Good Luck guys!!!

[velesius]

My final renders and textures:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/velesius/Neron_cgs.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/velesius/textures_sheet.jpg

[digiboxoffice]

requiem for my model

http://www.hot.ee/digibox/img/monster-cg.jpg

all lowpoly under 500
http://www.hot.ee/digibox/img/monster-cg2.jpg

pity I won't finish my model in time, there are too many things to fix and maps to paint :S
but still i'm kinda happy how this idea turned out.

may be this would be a lesson to someone whos tring to jump over his head.

good luck :)

[Ruk]

Here's my final http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu258/naz_ruk/final.jpg

[KingstonZ]

Finally completed the mini challenge, this is my 1st time doing online competition,
is really fun, and tired ofcoz...but i can really feel that everyone here are very passional and skillfull artist.

belows are my texturing WIP:

Normal map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/final_war_bump.jpg

colour map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/final_war_colour.jpg

spec map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/final_war_spec.jpg

textured model

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/final_war_wip01.jpg

wire

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/wip18wire.jpg

and the final image

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/final.jpg

sorry for the long post.
will come to forum more often .. Great job everyone, and Good Luck for everyone.

[quicksheep]

Getting closer! Just need some spec i think and some touch ups.

http://www.axiomltd.ca/storage/photos/cardinal_032.jpg

[DragonSFX]

well, here is my final. after i post here, it's off to gameartisans.

i also just wanted to say that there is really a lot of awesome work going on here and i am glad to be in the company of so many great artists. i was hoping to do a bit more on my entry and i am not entirely happy with it. i should have spent another day on it, but "oh well". the experience i gained just from this one little challenge was incredible. as someone who is "relatively" new to 3d (in the great scheme of things), just finally learning about normal maps was a great time. I can;t wait to see what kind of things i am forced to learn in the main challenge!!

Good luck to all!!,
Levi

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6228/dw4levistepanovfinalcom.jpg

[grafi]

Hey Guys!

It's been a while since I've been on here. Theres a lot of great work on this thread, looks like some real promising stuff :beer:
I got a late start at the challenge, but hopefully I'll finish :D

Heres the progress so far:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1974/tunkwip002.jpg

[bartanion]

Final Entry. Had originally planned on doing more and adding armor with the 500 polys, but ran out of time. Still had fun with it though.

[brianjlogan]

This is my Final Render, was hoping for more cloths but he is more like a god to me now.
file://localhost/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/blogan31/Desktop/Final_Shots/Front_General.jpg
and from the back...
file://localhost/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/blogan31/Desktop/Final_Shots/Back_General.jpg
and perspective...
file://localhost/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/blogan31/Desktop/Final_Shots/Rock_General_Perspective.jpg
plus where is all came from, the zbrush file...
file://localhost/C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/blogan31/Desktop/Final_Shots/High_Res_General.jpg

[Stutts]

here is my final!! good job everyone!:applause:

http://joshuastutts.com/DW_IV/AlienGeneral_Final.jpg

[denisign]

General Dog Colored.

http://www.siteteste.dreamhosters.com/GeneralDog_colored.jpg

[ljg2009]

My finished product. Had some problems with my normal maps. If only there were a couple more days! Oh well. Always something I can re-visit later.http://www.chrisrogoski.com/wip/Lisa_General.jpg

[CChatwell]

My FINAL entry, my submission for the challenge: http://www.corychatwell.com/final_submission.jpg

[XTitan]

Final :)

Good luck everyone!

http://www.pavlindimitrov.com/CARABA_06.jpg

[CountSmackula]

Man, there's a ton of awesome work on this thread. I think my favorite is General Neron!

Here's what I submitted. Included images of my textures as well (color, specular, normal, diffuse light).

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4570/nickleemini10.png


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6519/nickleemini11.png

[RaresH]

Great Job Guys!

Top notch Kingston, Velesius, Count Smackula to name a few. Unusual but cool stuff XTiatan and MadLamb.

Oh well here's mine. I needed more time but this is what I could pull off in such short notice since I started late.

http://rares.pixolbrush.com/images/dw4/General_Meccus_Final.jpg

[denisign]

With normal, color and specular map. =)

http://siteteste.dreamhosters.com/General_Dog.jpg

[NordicNinja]

Hey guys, great work. :D

I ended up finishing my textures about eight minutes before the deadline. Rushed to photoshop togeather a model sheet, Got everything all ready to go...and my normal maps wouldn't bake properly! :(

I guess that will teach me to try and finish so close to the deadline LOL! Oh well it was tons of fun. Here's my final high poly. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the other challenges.

*EDIT*
Just updated and optimized the image for the required file size. (its actually visible now!)

[StefanoDubay]

heh..
I submitted mine 15 secs before deadline... actuallyt I was surprised it did went through... anyway here is it, far from perfect but whatever :D

http://4thvanishingpoint.com/static/gallery/Dominance_War_IV/WarGeneralPortraits-SDK-3D-cgsociety_3d-WarGeneralPortraits-SDK-88-img_fd71caa7d.jpg
great work everybody
cheers
S

[m1k3st3r]

Very nice job everyone. I didn't get started early enough and cut myself too short on time. Thought I'd post what I did get done though for the fun of the game :D. I'll probably pick it back up tomorrow and get some color on it. There's some sick talent out there, keep it up all! Cheers!

http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139057&stc=1
http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=139058&stc=1

[grafi]

Nice Work Guys.

[Abboy]

Hey Guys, finished mine... late! But here it is, I'm not happy with it, but concidering I started Friday evening its okay.

Let me know your thoughts?

Looking forward to the main event now.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh288/Reb0rnZer0ne/General_KroganClean1.jpg

[KIIIA]

That Rhinostalin idea made me laugh! Absolutely original and funny!

[StefanoDubay]

Here is a closeUp :)
I really crunched yesterday, so I had it a bit rushed together in the presentation (note the wrong year...eheheh) but anyway here I have another render...
This experience had been a great warmup and training for the main event. Without a doubt!
I'm glad I had the pleasure to work with all you talented artist on this Mini-Comp :)
cheers

Spetsnaz Tavarish Dubay Stefano - 2009



http://4thvanishingpoint.com/static/gallery/Dominance_War_IV/RynostalinCloseup.jpg

[Zeoyn]

This was a great challenge!

Velesius> I really love the work you have done. The level of detail is amazing and the execution perfect. I think you might have a winner there ;)

StefanoDubay> You had a great concept in your hands. However, I have the feeling that the final part of your work was a little bit too rushed and the presentation sheet doesn't make justice to the quality of your model/idea.

KingstonZ> It's a shame that you didn't use an opacity map for the feathers. Your model has a very cool concept and it's brilliantly executed.

[StefanoDubay]

heh, we do what we can, I agree tho tht a strict WIP schedule will be needed for the main challenge, to fit work, party and my girl :) . Since I never did Dom War before I took this as a training, but I do agree with you, some more texture work to get the model done and polished... anyway, 1000x1000 isnt enough, for the big context would be nice to be able to post 3 images, beauty render, rotation and maps/ wireframe snaps.
Ideas are not a problem so this attempt is not a waste in my consideration.
thanks to everybody and Zeoyn for these suggestions! I'll have big use of them leter on!
Hey anybody knows the timeframe for the main challenge?
thanks
S

[KingstonZ]

This is my 1st time to join an online challenge, it is a great exprience for me, i guess for everyone here too.http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif. Everyone seriously trying their best to do something , the feeling is really good! is really inspiring and motivated to see so many great artist and great works.

Zeoyn> thanks for your comments. you have a great model and i really like the way you do for your presentation.
- for the opacity map on the feathers, they were there since textureing start http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/kinston2/wip11.jpg ,http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon12.gif after i finished textureing , i find the feathers look soft, light and too clean compare to his body and helmet, i give the edges some darker colour and dirt to make them look graphical/angle and heavy - to match the style of heavy, metal, patterns, graphical look of him .http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif...http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon13.gifhehe

*i think nellement, hhhjun, dragon, velesius they also have a very cool design, great execution, and i really like hhhjun and Zoeyn's presentation background.http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon13.gif

Count Smackula/Matthew Novak > thanks for the kind words, i used to be a Zbrush/Zmapper only ( Die hard Zbrush all the way to normal map ) kind of people, but in this mini challenge, production time is short, and i want to spend more time to make good textures for him( texture is the god after concept drawing for game art) , so i make more parts from maya but not sculpting, i need to use any Transfer Maps tool or xnormal to bake, i m really happy to see that the result of the normal map looks great.http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rares Halmagean> thanks for your comment, your have a very speical idea too, your are really think out of the box.

[velesius]

Hi! Congratulations everyone for a job well done and good luck to everyone in the next level.
Thanks for all good words!
Zeoyn> Thanks! I think winners are all those that finished their characters because the main prize of any competitions is inestimable experience!

[Hexahedron]

Great words Velesius.
Congratulations everyone, was really fun. And for those that did an incredible job, thanks a lot, I've learned a couple of new things, it was a really good learning experience :)

Good luck everyone and see you again in the main comp.

Cheers,

James Alex

[nellement]

Kingstonz:Thanks man,I'm glad you like it
velesius your entry is very cool,love the high poly version the most.

[CountSmackula]

I got a chance to re-light and cleaned up some my presentation. Wish I had just one extra day to do this in time for submission!

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4374/nickleemini12.png

[nellement]

Hey,looks much better right now,I think there isn't need for extra rust on the back of the head but thats just my personal preference.

[heavyness]

Public Voting Ends: March 10th 11:59pm Eastern Time War General Portraits.

vote here: http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/minis/view_entries_cgsociety_3d_1.html

[sheppy]

Not only was I late as all hades, but it turned out awful...

Lessons learned though since this IS literally the first time I ever attempted something like this.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/sheppyboy2000/TweelingLegal.jpg

[heavyness]

Finalist Announced...

http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/dw/4/mini1/en.php#cgs

[Izuael]

Wohoo, congrats to the finalists!
Hehe nice, Rhemrev. :buttrock:

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