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mav3rick
02-04-2009, 06:26 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-core

in just bit more than hour... be sure to take your tickets


COUNTER
http://www.newtek.com/core/

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 07:16 PM
What time?

Tickets?

PhilWesson
02-04-2009, 07:17 PM
4PM EST

And your tickets? They're to the GUN SHOW


Sorry, couldn't resist.

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 07:21 PM
joke just be there in 40 minutes or checkout counter page and watch for streaming
http://www.newtek.com/core/

gonna be very exciting time

Doug816
02-04-2009, 07:25 PM
That is cool. Now if we can get everyone to start another five hundred more threads on the same crap we'll be set.

NicolasJordan
02-04-2009, 07:34 PM
That is cool. Now if we can get everyone to start another five hundred more threads on the same crap we'll be set.

That's the effect viral marketing has! Plus it's very cheap. :bounce:

Doug816
02-04-2009, 07:44 PM
When it is the same few people starting the threads it is just annoying.

Limbus
02-04-2009, 07:47 PM
When it is the same few people starting the threads it is just annoying.

Who forced you to read it?

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 07:58 PM
Now it says 'one moment'

I've been waiting many moments :curious:

basti
02-04-2009, 08:05 PM
i guess the guy who was supposed to start the stream fell asleep...

although i don't use lw i was interested and watched the countdown
for some minutes. didn't work for me, i switched it off now :/

nuclearfessel
02-04-2009, 08:08 PM
Stream FAIL!

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:09 PM
Now it's off air...Shiztar!

Doug816
02-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Who forced you to read it?

Great post. Now when do we bring in nazi comments?

grundelboy
02-04-2009, 08:11 PM
I wonder if it's going to be cool enough for Autodesk to want to buy them out.
What ever it is, I'm not holding my breath for any major or dramatic changes to the industry.

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 08:11 PM
its gone dead or is it me:shrug:

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 08:15 PM
Newtek's site seems to be down... perhaps they're having some kind of server errors.

richcz3
02-04-2009, 08:17 PM
Its 1:20 PST
Newteks site is Down - no forums :hmm:
Ustream is - off air :hmm:

JML
02-04-2009, 08:17 PM
autodesk would have had it working


;)

wonderpup
02-04-2009, 08:18 PM
Seems dead to me too.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:18 PM
And here is Core:
http://www.blooddeepthemovie.com/images/dead%20horse%20logo.jpg

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 08:19 PM
I can't get on Core, newtek or spinquad.

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 08:20 PM
And here is Core:
http://www.blooddeepthemovie.com/images/dead%20horse%20logo.jpg

Hope you didn't put a lot work into that.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:22 PM
Hope you didn't put a lot work into that.

I typed 'dead horse' into google :D

Animasta
02-04-2009, 08:23 PM
Hope you didn't put a lot work into that.

It took him 5 days..

smrgol
02-04-2009, 08:24 PM
It's a good job they steamed it otherwise their server may have fallen ove....oh.

Well, Plan 'B'.

If half the world wouldn't mind logging off, someone may be able to see whats going on ;)


(good luck guys - i'm sure its worth the wait)

nuclearfessel
02-04-2009, 08:25 PM
New comment in the comment section of the UStream page...

"The LightWave CORE reveal will begin momentarily... - 13 minutes ago."


More hype?

azozel
02-04-2009, 08:26 PM
Don't think he made it. I just did a Tineye search on it an it popped up in a few other places.
Hope you didn't put a lot work into that.


I'd love to see newtek sell the rendering engine like v-ray.

MCHammond
02-04-2009, 08:27 PM
One.. Moment.

Hope this isnt a sign of things to come :(
I wish all the best to the guys at newtek though!

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 08:29 PM
There probably revealing the secrets of the universe and no-ones watching...

adamredwoods
02-04-2009, 08:30 PM
Here's some news, cannot verify it so don't know if its valid yet:
http://newteknews.blogspot.com/

LightWave CORE is the next generation of LightWave software, which, when released later this year, will retail for $1,495. The upgrade to LightWave CORE for registered v9.x users will be $695 upon release.


HardCORE F.A.Q.

What is the HardCORE membership?

HardCORE is a new membership only organization available for 9.x users which will give them the benefits listed below.

* exclusive access to ongoing software builds
* special pricing
* copy of annual Q4 product release
* a private forum for discussions among themselves and the LightWave development team
* exclusive information updates
* training videos
* VIP invitations to special events
* personalized membership card
* their own custom t-shirt

How much is the HardCORE membership?

* Registered LightWave 9.x users may purchase the membership for US$495. There is an introductory charter price for registered v9.x customers available for US$395 until March 31, 2009.
* Registered LightWave 8.x users (or earlier versions) may upgrade to v9.x for US$495 which will automatically enroll them into the program for one year.
* Non LightWave owners may purchase a full unit for US$895 which will automatically enroll them into the program for one year.
* Non LightWave owners, who own a competitive product, may purchase a full unit for US$595 until March 31, 2009 which will automatically enroll them into the program for one year. Note: The competitive upgrade will no longer be available for purchase after this date.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:31 PM
There probably revealing the secrets of the universe and no-ones watching...

We already know that the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything is 42...

I was hoping for an XSI replacement since AD bought it.

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 08:41 PM
Now it's alternating between on air and off air. Damn this is a mess.

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 08:42 PM
The core logo is flashing every few seconds now...

Something new anyway.


It's morse!

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:42 PM
The core logo is flashing every few seconds now...

Something new anyway.

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 08:46 PM
Now it's alternating between on air and off air. Damn this is a mess.

:cry: :cry: I would have preffered a only-text mail in my inbox... To much hipe, to little servers

Well, I guess we will get the news in some hours or something

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:47 PM
It's morse!

Your response is above what you responded to. :cool:

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Flashing stopped...I wonder if they were doing prime numbers ;)

TRick
02-04-2009, 08:49 PM
Failure is human but so is decent behaviour to give at least some announcement on what to expect next !!!

MCHammond
02-04-2009, 08:49 PM
You would think they could give use some sort of ETA :( but i guess they are even more annoyed than use.

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 08:51 PM
Newtek europe still broadcasting to the free world perhaps they should have used some of their capacity.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:53 PM
It's flashing again...

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 08:53 PM
I'll go offline for an hour, hope I help a bit, or a kilobyte... or whatever, c ya
Good luck Newtek

NicolasJordan
02-04-2009, 08:54 PM
This unfortunately looks very unprofessional on the part of Newtek. It looked well done and professional up to this point. :hmm:

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Newtek.com is back up again.

FreakWizz
02-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Here's some news, cannot verify it so don't know if its valid yet:
http://newteknews.blogspot.com/

LightWave CORE is the next generation of LightWave software, which, when released later this year, will retail for $1,495. The upgrade to LightWave CORE for registered v9.x users will be $695 upon release.

HardCORE is a new membership only organization available for 9.x users which will give them the benefits listed below.

* exclusive access to ongoing software builds
* special pricing
* copy of annual Q4 product release
* a private forum for discussions among themselves and the LightWave development team
* exclusive information updates
* training videos
* VIP invitations to special events
* personalized membership card
* their own custom t-shirt

How much is the HardCORE membership?

* Registered LightWave 9.x users may purchase the membership for US$495.


A failed announcement, and followed by a new way to make you pay for stuff that should be free when you purchase your software.

Exclusive Information Updates, Training Videos, and Beta Access and forums.... Everything i got in 9, without being forced to pay an additional $400 in top of a license.

Less value and more money seems to be a continueing trend in this industry in general. Meanwhile Blender and Houdini will give me Beta access and free and open communication with developers and won't charge me another $$$ to achieve it.....

Pppphhh

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 08:56 PM
What I don't understand is that if all they're doing is broadcasting some kinda of video using ustream, then they shouldn't have to use any of their own bandwidth. Unless all this hype has increased the amount of people visiting Newtek.com

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 08:58 PM
Up and running: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-coreii
http://hedweb.com/animimag/horse-beach.jpg

FreakWizz
02-04-2009, 08:58 PM
What I don't understand is that if all they're doing is broadcasting some kinda of video using ustream, then they shouldn't have to use any of their own bandwidth. Unless all this hype has increased the amount of people visiting Newtek.com

Yes i think this is what happened, because NT in there wisdom (cough) decided to make people visit the Flash page with the counter, rather than promote the videostreaming site,
I'm guessing the problems was getting the stream out of the NT building, to the stream provider. Doh!

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 08:59 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-coreii

meanwhile

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 08:59 PM
I wonder then if the day of the free updates is coming to an end i got lw8.5 with vue5 thrown in and a free upgrade to lw9 can't imagine autodesk doing that.

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:04 PM
If you aren't currently on UStream, they've listed a new link...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-coreii

JML
02-04-2009, 09:04 PM
they should have used youtube instead of this 'ustream.tv' !!

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:05 PM
Now we get to watch adverts!

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:06 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-coreii

meanwhile

You beat me to it! ;)

cresshead
02-04-2009, 09:09 PM
new location for the streamm...online now just add ii after your link you have for ustream now...

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 09:11 PM
trying yo keep record what is happening

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 09:12 PM
looks like it is up to ustream *f*u*c*kt up

newtek shows new link in original page
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newtek-core

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Here we go!

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Core Is On Air

axezine
02-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Core begins now!

richcz3
02-04-2009, 09:16 PM
I wonder then if the day of the free updates is coming to an end i got lw8.5 with vue5 thrown in and a free upgrade to lw9 can't imagine autodesk doing that.I think they (NT) hinted at that some time back. That point releases would become paid for. Now seeing that they are going with the subscription method (with benefits), sounds like that pretty much the case. If it keeps LW in line or above the market edge, I'm for it. Considering that more apps have gone subscription, I am not in the least surprised.

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:19 PM
It's ICE!!

nuclearfessel
02-04-2009, 09:22 PM
Woah! A modifier stack and history!

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:24 PM
This is a tad embarrassing.

nuclearfessel
02-04-2009, 09:29 PM
This is a tad embarrassing.

To say the least.

richcz3
02-04-2009, 09:31 PM
Sign me up...I'm buying Core.....credit card at the ready.
**** yeah! :buttrock:

http://www.newtek.com/core - no workie....:wip:

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:32 PM
Instancing, history, gestures, Python.... NICE. :)

nuclearfessel
02-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Too bad they didn't show more! That was like... a cruel tease.


I have more of a tease. In my pants.


Wow, that was the most EPIC FAIL I've seen in ages.

MCHammond
02-04-2009, 09:34 PM
LOL Epic-fail

I want my two hours back + my bandwidth!

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:34 PM
Surely that was a joke, talk about an anti-climax. The best thing about that was the music ending the presentation.

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 09:35 PM
I would like know more about modeling in core... LW has some Very Very nice things but it lacks lots of stuff too. PolyBoost type stuff.

How do you know? They didn't run through all of the modeling tools. Besides, now that the SDK is completely open, it's simply a matter of time before we get any modeling tool that people can think up.

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Too bad they didn't show more! That was like... a cruel tease.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 09:36 PM
I would like know more about modeling in Core... LW has some Very Very nice modeling things but it lacks lots of stuff too. PolyBoost type stuff.

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Could anyone recap my internet connection was really poor all i heard was python and £1400..

wonderpup
02-04-2009, 09:38 PM
Open university, circa 1975- I missed the flares though. Do not create massive expectation then hold back any good stuff-give it your best shot.

And don't try to close the sale before the pitch is done.

I'm depressed.

FreakWizz
02-04-2009, 09:39 PM
Well on the surface it is what it needs to be...

QT Crossplatform Linux, Mac, Windows UI.
C++ SDK (which is the same as the NT SDK)
Integrated Layout/Modeling
Python (no MelScript or Maxscript type crap)

The History, Modifier stacks in an Integrated Lightwave, sounds like it's what NT have been missing for many years. If the architecture is as extensible as is meant to be, it does look like it has some potential at the very least.

Pricing, Hardcore and Early Versions to people who pay more is a bit crappy however.

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:39 PM
Well, it was pretty short.

She showed a bit about the interface being customizable. You can tear off menus and put them where you want, change colors, etc. There is now history and modifier stack. They finally have instancing. They also have gestures for doing quick things. Python is also supported now.

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:40 PM
If I'm not mistaken, they didn't really announce anything worth noting. I didn't catch all of the beginning part, but it seems they've opened up Lightwave for use with their SDK, nice, but it's been done. They have added Python support which is pretty cool, but how much different it will be to Mel and the like, I don't know. There was some stuff about instancing, and a history tab (glorified undo), some tablet stuff and that was about it. Oh and Hardcore which is their subscription service. Basically it lets you sign up for frequent updates, exculsive training, all that stuff. Apart from that, there's not much to tell. I may have forgetten something, but I wasn't paying all that much attention.

Titus
02-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Could anyone recap my internet connection was really poor all i heard was python and £1400..

It's a unified app, a very open SDK, modelling stack, python, gestures, and a beta version for all the 9.x users.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Honestly it looks like the potential for power is absolutely there,

What actually is there is in question though.

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 09:42 PM
I'm sure for people who are used to Maya, XSI, etc... not such a big deal, but I think it's a good thing for LW. These are some things they've lacked for so long. Good for them for finally getting up to speed- even if they are rather late about it.

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:44 PM
I'm sure for people who are used to Maya, XSI, etc... not such a big deal, but I think it's a good thing for LW. These are some things they've lacked for so long. Good for them for finally getting up to speed- even if they are rather late about it.
I suppose so, but with all the time they've had you'd think they would have added some completely new, something unique and innovative.

Titus
02-04-2009, 09:47 PM
At this moment they have the core of the program and are reinventing themselves, kudos to NewTek!

Phyrea
02-04-2009, 09:49 PM
This shows a lot of potential. I'm with it so far... now they just need to release some solid demos (not live, hopefully - something higher res that we can download).

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 09:50 PM
I'm sure for people who are used to Maya, XSI, etc... not such a big deal, but I think it's a good thing for LW. These are some things they've lacked for so long. Good for them for finally getting up to speed- even if they are rather late about it.

That's just it. I was about to jump from Max to XSI, then AD bought it.

I bought LW 9 a few months back in trying to do Taron's modeling method and it works great but allot of Max type stuff is missing. I got a glimmer at LW's motion mixer and I love it way more then Max's.

If the Core thing comes close to what XSI is with particles and with good cloth and hair then I'm in hook line and sinker.

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 09:51 PM
From what i saw of the screen shots it had a modo look to it.
Would i be right in saying its modular like c4d i couldn't really tell ,or do we not know yet:shrug:

Pepril
02-04-2009, 09:51 PM
Wow this was horrendously bad. I do still hope CORE is cool but while NT had a cool teaser marketing campaign that demo was so so so BAD.

A: The background and look of the entire thing was Babalon 5 1980 CG style at best!

B: You must be joking with Dragging UI elements and browser in the viewport? This is what NT is showing a revolutionary UI.

C: Instancing, history, and Modifer stack.... While I know this might be exciting to LW users. I (and every other 3d user on the planet) have enjoyed these items in Maya and 3dsmax since both there 1.0 release!! This can not be the New Technology they intended to show?

D: After all of this they then have the GAWL to try and charge users to be part of their BS beta!!

The very first app I used was LW and with all that is happening in the 3d world now, I actually thought about getting back into it after many many years. They will really need to show something GREAT in the future to redeem themselves from this Super Flopper.

Pep

Chrisdc
02-04-2009, 09:51 PM
Well, I think it looks good, and it could be great, but after all this fuss, I was hoping to see something really new and attention grabbing in there. I wonder what they're holding back...

Karris
02-04-2009, 09:52 PM
A preview of new CORE features from the webcast:

http://www.cdupload.com/thumbs/large/46129_dh0zc/screens.png (http://www.cdupload.com/files/46129_dh0zc/screens.png)

Ben-Davis
02-04-2009, 09:57 PM
Wow this was horrendously bad. I do still hope CORE is cool but while NT had a cool teaser marketing campaign that demo was so so so BAD.

A: The background and look of the entire thing was Babalon 5 1980 CG style at best!

B: You must be joking with Dragging UI elements and browser in the viewport? This is what NT is showing a revolutionary UI.

C: Instancing, history, and Modifer stack.... While I know this might be exciting to LW users. I (and every other 3d user on the planet) have enjoyed these items in Maya and 3dsmax since both there 1.0 release!! This can not be the New Technology they intended to show?

D: After all of this they then have the GAWL to try and charge users to be part of their BS beta!!

The very first app I used was LW and with all that is happening in the 3d world now, I actually thought about getting back into it after many many years. They will really need to show something GREAT in the future to redeem themselves from this Super Flopper.

Pep
Nicely put. Couldn't agree more. I couldn't stop thinking why are they showing us this simple UI stuff in their hyped up reveal show? If they've got other cool stuff in animation, rendering, etc, then show it to us.

Venkman
02-04-2009, 09:58 PM
They did say that today they are only showing a very small part of core. The green screen work is definitely odd. :surprised

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 09:59 PM
The whole hierarchy thing reminds me of Houdini but looks like Combustion...and I like it :wip:

kdubayoo
02-04-2009, 10:00 PM
Wow this was horrendously bad. I do still hope CORE is cool but while NT had a cool teaser marketing campaign that demo was so so so BAD.

A: The background and look of the entire thing was Babalon 5 1980 CG style at best!

B: You must be joking with Dragging UI elements and browser in the viewport? This is what NT is showing a revolutionary UI.

C: Instancing, history, and Modifer stack.... While I know this might be exciting to LW users. I (and every other 3d user on the planet) have enjoyed these items in Maya and 3dsmax since both there 1.0 release!! This can not be the New Technology they intended to show?

D: After all of this they then have the GAWL to try and charge users to be part of their BS beta!!

The very first app I used was LW and with all that is happening in the 3d world now, I actually thought about getting back into it after many many years. They will really need to show something GREAT in the future to redeem themselves from this Super Flopper.

Pep


Well, when you are behind in the race, it's a proud moment when you at least catch back up. You can't expect them to be behind for so long, and then to suddenly skyrocket ahead of all of the competition. I say that not as a Newtek diehard, either. I've done work in Maya, Max, Blender, as well as Lightwave. Hopefully this is just what they need. If they can at least get their heads above water, then perhaps there's hope that they will start doing more cutting edge stuff in the future and even -GASP- pull ahead of the other packages.

spikey
02-04-2009, 10:01 PM
I suppose so, but with all the time they've had you'd think they would have added some completely new, something unique and innovative.

Thing is, they quite probably are doing just that, but with the lack of presentation skills / planning / whatever, it got lost in the mud.

People remember the surface of presentation, not the quickly mentioned things. GPU support, Python available anywhere, completely new architecture, nodes available in modeler (and elsewhere, remember the screenshot with IK nodes?), flexible interface over the whole application and parts of it (not talking about simple dockable menus, sheesh), deep-as-heck SDK and lots more stuff you can figure out and extrapolate from the little things they said. Dynamics bits and bobs and particles interacting transparently? Lots of nodes? Smells of ICE competitor to me. Stretching all the way to modeler? Who the hell knows. Here's hoping.

To get these things in modeler and have it seamless in whole pipeline, it HAS to have some serious oompah going on. They just failed to communicate that.

Now, non-LW users just go "oh yay they got some tools we had in softimage 3d okthanksbye" because NT didn't remember to treat the audience as fickle, ADHD-ridden bloggers who take just what's on the surface ;)

stevecullum
02-04-2009, 10:02 PM
I'm wondering with all the server crashes, if this was really the intended reveal or something scrambled together at the last minute?

I feel quite sorry for NT right now...such an embarrassing presentation.

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 10:06 PM
Wow this was horrendously bad. I do still hope CORE is cool but while NT had a cool teaser marketing campaign that demo was so so so BAD.

A: The background and look of the entire thing was Babalon 5 1980 CG style at best!

B: You must be joking with Dragging UI elements and browser in the viewport? This is what NT is showing a revolutionary UI.

C: Instancing, history, and Modifer stack.... While I know this might be exciting to LW users. I (and every other 3d user on the planet) have enjoyed these items in Maya and 3dsmax since both there 1.0 release!! This can not be the New Technology they intended to show?

D: After all of this they then have the GAWL to try and charge users to be part of their BS beta!!

The very first app I used was LW and with all that is happening in the 3d world now, I actually thought about getting back into it after many many years. They will really need to show something GREAT in the future to redeem themselves from this Super Flopper.

Pep

Just a few things to consider. Lightwaves renderer has come a long way in the 9.x series. Not only does it render with incredible quality but it's also become blazingly fast and it's out of the box. You can't really say the same for Max or Maya. Also, it's now open to 3rd party renderers so if you're comfortable with another renderer, you'll probably have the option of using that.

Also, lightwave has always been know for getting things done quickly which is why it is used for so much tv work which often have short and fast deadlines. So now we still have that plus the open SDK, history/modifier stack, and integrated workflow. So, I think it's unwise to write those additions off just because other programs have had it. I think the point of the presentation was to show that now the program is not limited in the ways it was before and so development will only accelerate.

Whoever wrote off the history/modifier stack as a 'glorified undo' doesn't really understand the power of such an addition. Especially if that's going to carry over into animation and rigging (which is likely).

As far as charging for beta testing. I'll have to see how it plays out, but it doesn't seem like it will be that different then how it works now. Only people who are eligible for the current or next version participate in the beta now. Jay Roth said something in the video that people who join the hardcore club (not sure about that name myself, it invokes the thought of porn) will get a discount on the next version. So I don't know if the $395 comes off the upgrade/purchase price or not. We'll just have to see.

But I'm sold.

FreakWizz
02-04-2009, 10:09 PM
Wow this was horrendously bad. I do still hope CORE is cool but while NT had a cool teaser marketing campaign that demo was so so so BAD.

A: The background and look of the entire thing was Babalon 5 1980 CG style at best!

Yes the most important aspect of a 3D Programs ability is the background they chose.. :(

B: You must be joking with Dragging UI elements and browser in the viewport? This is what NT is showing a revolutionary UI.

QT is a cross platform GUI toolkit that will enable LW to to work on Linux, Mac, PC without many code changes, industry standards like drag and drop customization are important.

C4D currently has much better GUI customization than Maya or Max, and LWC seems to be following that. Beats the old Amiga OGL interface we have been stuck with for years.

I (and every other 3d user on the planet) have enjoyed these items in Maya and 3dsmax since both there 1.0 release!! This can not be the New Technology they intended to show?

And yet there is still something missing from Max and Maya that you look at Newtek as hope. And that's the point now LW has it too, Max and Maya still don't have LW's surfacing, Lighting and Rendering advanatges, yet LW now has their stack, history and integration. Someone just made a quantum leap and it wasn't anything Autodesk.

scrawford
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
looks pretty cool hope to see more. which they hadnt done the cheesy set thing though

adamredwoods
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Sounds like they'll have more videos in the future, but looks like they are headed in a nice direction.

Animasta
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
I logged into the coreii stream 28 minutes into it (I was thinking that it was the adverts, and that the core stream was going to be the actual stream). When I got there, that strange looking man was using a tablet inside of Core, and from what I saw of the program, I'm severely turned off. There's a reason I chose Lightwave over Carara, and haven't tried Modo. I guess I'll have to see more of the app though before I can actually determine if I'm gonna stay with 9.5, or go to core in the distant future.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 10:12 PM
And yet there is still something missing from Max and Maya that you look at Newtek as hope. And that's the point now LW has it too, Max and Maya still don't have LW's surfacing, Lighting and Rendering advanatges, yet LW now has their stack, history and integration. Someone just made a quantum leap and it wasn't anything Autodesk.

Agreed.

I dare say that this has a huge potential but when will it reach fruition.

I keep thinking Houdini when i go over the info and of course ICE.

XminusOne
02-04-2009, 10:14 PM
They should have planned this better. It looks promising, but I can't watch too much of that for some reason.:shrug:

Pepril
02-04-2009, 10:18 PM
Sounds like they'll have more videos in the future, but looks like they are headed in a nice direction.

HAHA I'm glad someone got a screen shot of this! Please, anyone look at this and tell me if it doesn't look like:

A: Max Headroom
B: 3D BS that I could do in my cellar (with LW) in 1994
C: Something that would get a C- in a Basic 3d animation class

PS: I dont know why I'm on this ABC kick :P
Pep

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 10:22 PM
I'm happy with the programming structure they build over this years. I can see this can only be good BUUUUT, the servers went crazy for more than an hour and a half or so, and then, when everything was ready, bum, the worst blue-screen compositing in history or something. The background was horrible and the compositing itself sucked. Aren't Toaster and Tricaster nice compositing tools? I'm feeling dizzy :surprised

WyattHarris
02-04-2009, 10:24 PM
Only caught half of the presentation so I'll render judgment when I've seen the whole thing. So far so good though. :thumbsup:

craigjarvis
02-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Well there's no point in conjecture best to just wait and see what the end product is.

wonderpup
02-04-2009, 10:34 PM
Well there's no point in conjecture best to just wait and see what the end product is.


That is what was supposed to be made clear in this presentation I thought.

red_oddity
02-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Corny presentation left beside (or was that intentional, a nod to their Babylon 5 glory days), i'm quite exited about what Jay is promosing here, sounds to me they finally caught up with the 3 big (or should i say 1 now?) competitors feature wise and with a very modern foundation (truly crossplatform GUI SDK, complete acces to the entire program and its features via the SDK and Python scripting language, a dynamic system (if i understand correctly what Jay is saying) reminds of Maya's Nucleus dynamics system, and not to forget it is fully GPU aware (though he doesn't go into details as to what that really means on the whole.))

What i find more impressive is they did this in parallel with the insane amounts of progress they made with the whole 9.x cycle (and if you've been on the Open Beta team, and anyone with a license can be, you'll know how well they respect their customers and actually do listen to you.), and since they probably are finished with the 9.x development cycle i can only imagine how fast they'll be able to work when they only have to focus on a single code base.

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 10:40 PM
and since they probably are finished with the 9.x development cycle i can only imagine how fast they'll be able to work when they only have to focus on a single code base.

That was kind of my thought as well. If you were part of the open beta, you would sometimes see a new build every day with new things added and bugs squashed. And this would go on for weeks and weeks.

Pepril
02-04-2009, 10:41 PM
Yes the most important aspect of a 3D Programs ability is the background they chose.. :(


Well yes... In many ways. This is Newtek's chance to grab a lot of eyes they normally would not. When making a 3d background and presentation it shows the quality your product is capable of. This was just deplorable, and many people will look at it and dismiss what still may be a good/great move forward for NT as a Joke because it looked like one.


QT is a cross platform GUI toolkit that will enable LW to to work on Linux, Mac, PC without many code changes, industry standards like drag and drop customization are important.


I think that's cool but what they showed was week at best. There could have been some graphics or animation showing this type of focus and maybe show it running on OSX, Redhat, and Vista in the background if that is truely the case.



And yet there is still something missing from Max and Maya that you look at Newtek as hope. And that's the point now LW has it too, Max and Maya still don't have LW's surfacing, Lighting and Rendering advantages, yet LW now has their stack, history and integration. Someone just made a quantum leap and it wasn't anything Autodesk.

No not really. 3dsmax has everything I need and continually gets better and better. But I do always keep an eye open for any new technology that will change the market or give me an edge. Newtek did not show anything close to that today but hopefully in the future they may.

Lastly on the coments that people have about this having ICE or Houdini potential. That is really WILD speculation. The tree they showed was nothing more then the simplest of outliners that any scripter could make in 3 hours. Houdini and ICE are hardcore products that have been developed with modual nodal workflow. Again I hope LW can reach that type of thing but they have shown less then nothing to indicate that IMHO.

Pep

hrgiger
02-04-2009, 10:42 PM
Lastly on the coments that people have about this having ICE or Houdini potential. That is really WILD speculation. The tree they showed was nothing more then the simplest of outliners that any scripter could make in 3 hours. Houdini and ICE are hardcore products that have been developed with modual nodal workflow. Again I hope LW can reach that type of thing but they have show less then nothing to indicate that IMHO.

Pep

It's certainly not unfathomable. Newtek added nodes for Lightwave 9 and they mentioned several months ago that the particle system was being overhauled. I'm guessing that we'll see something noteworthy in this area soon.

INFINITE
02-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Did I miss something? Is Babylon back?

Was the hype worth the wait?

I am sure Newtek must know what they are doing, Lightwave is a solid app and I am sure always will be. :buttrock:

Forgot to say, Worley! please save us!!

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 10:49 PM
i am sure noone understand meaning of gesture.... it is open way to connect actions to gesture of mouse movement or wacom pen...
for example if you ever work in photoshop ACTIONS and press record ... once u finish recording you assign action to keyboard shortcut.... gesture does that.. you define actions you often do and assign to gesture.. than gesture play recorded actions...

Pepril
02-04-2009, 10:51 PM
i am sure noone understand meaning of gesture.... it is open way to connect actions to gesture of mouse movement or wacom pen...
for example if you ever work in photoshop ACTIONS and press record ... once u finish recording you assign action to keyboard shortcut.... gesture does that.. you define actions you often do and assign to gesture.. than gesture play recorded actions...

Yes and also something that has been present (and not widely adopted) in many other apps for a long time. I know this has been in 3dsmax since 2.0

Pep

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 10:53 PM
Lastly on the coments that people have about this having ICE or Houdini potential. That is really WILD speculation. The tree they showed was nothing more then the simplest of outliners that any scripter could make in 3 hours. Houdini and ICE are hardcore products that have been developed with modual nodal workflow. Again I hope LW can reach that type of thing but they have shown less then nothing to indicate that IMHO.

Have you used Houdini?

The ability to go back up the modeling stack is very much a Houdini concept. My contention is that if NT has gone to that extreme than it stands to reason that they are carrying it to the rest of the application. That extension that they mention carries over to particles giving one the impression of ICE.

Look beyond the cheesy retro background of the presentation.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 10:54 PM
Did I miss something? Is Babylon back?

Was the hype worth the wait?

I am sure Newtek must know what they are doing, Lightwave is a solid app and I am sure always will be. :buttrock:

Looking forward to your site being updated Infinite...

Pepril
02-04-2009, 10:57 PM
Have you used Houdini?

The ability to go back up the modeling stack is very much a Houdini concept. My contention is that if NT has gone to that extreme than it stands to reason that they are carrying it to the rest of the application. That extension that they mention carries over to particles give one the impression of ICE.

Look beyond the cheesy retro background of the presentation.

Yes..quite a bit. going back up the modeling stack does not even scrape the surface of what Houdini or Ice can do or are about. Again I hope that NT can do something like this!! But they have not even come within a whisper of it here IMHO.

Pep

Cheesestraws
02-04-2009, 10:57 PM
Have you used Houdini?

The ability to go back up the modeling stack is very much a Houdini concept. My contention is that if NT has gone to that extreme than it stands to reason that they are carrying it to the rest of the application. That extension that they mention carries over to particles giving one the impression of ICE.

Look beyond the cheesy retro background of the presentation.

Houdini is powerful because of a lot more than just a history, being procedural and having a history are two different concepts. Maya has a history but it isn't procedural, at least not by default.

pluMmet
02-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Yes..quite a bit. going back up the modeling stack does not even scrape the surface of what Houdini or Ice can do or are about. Again I hope that NT can do something like this!! But they have not even come within a whisper of it here IMHO.

Pep

I'm just saying that it's part of the foundation of what Houdini can do. It's fundamental abilities come from that concept that is then carried across the application.

Core seems to have laid similar tracks. The potential is there.

richcz3
02-04-2009, 11:09 PM
I'm wondering with all the server crashes, if this was really the intended reveal or something scrambled together at the last minute?...That is precisely what I am thinking right now. That had to be a last minute - make it short and get it done NOW! *@*@*@ presentation.

Phyrea
02-04-2009, 11:17 PM
I'm just saying that it's part of the foundation of what Houdini can do. It's fundamental abilities come from that concept that is then carried across the application.

Core seems to have laid similar tracks. The potential is there.
I say the potential is certainly there. Just a month ago LW users were trying to debate whether or not LightWave would see Modeler and Layout combined, and now NewTek has shown that not only have they been combined, but totally re-written. A month ago peole would not have considered that a possibility.

I really don't think NewTek would waste the resources to re-write LW if they didn't intend to take it all the way (and hopefully further than all the older apps have gone).

The timing is right, and NewTek certainly has the brains behind them now (look at the rendering advancements that have in many ways surpassed others out there). Whether or not they've really created the monster is unseen, but the possibility is there.

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 11:22 PM
I say the potential is certainly there. Just a month ago LW users were trying to debate whether or not LightWave would see Modeler and Layout combined, and now NewTek has shown that not only have they been combined, but totally re-written. A month ago peole would not have considered that a possibility.

I really don't think NewTek would waste the resources to re-write LW if they didn't intend to take it all the way (and hopefully further than all the older apps have gone).

The timing is right, and NewTek certainly has the brains behind them now (look at the rendering advancements that have in many ways surpassed others out there). Whether or not they've really created the monster is unseen, but the possibility is there.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but... you just don't sell like that!

I'm sure 10.* cycle will be a hell of a ride, as 9.* was but multiplied by ten! But... You're fighting with Autodesk's three headed Cerberus. You should look profesional, not just the quality of a TV program of first grade in the University... Argh

CaptainObvious
02-04-2009, 11:23 PM
No not really. 3dsmax has everything I need and continually gets better and better. But I do always keep an eye open for any new technology that will change the market or give me an edge. Newtek did not show anything close to that today but hopefully in the future they may.
Of course it has everything you need — but I would bet most applications do. It's not a question of capabilities, it's a question of empowerment, I suppose. There are things Lightwave 9.6 does really well (as in as good as or better than Maya or Max). There are, of course, things the others do better than Lightwave as well, and one might argue that in general, LW is not as powerful. But you cannot honestly claim that it doesn't have an advantage in at least some areas.

Lightwave's renderer and shading system is actually really good, for example, and the way the shading system handles third party renderers beats many other systems. Let me put it this way: I did a test render in Kray the other week. Rendered the same mesh in Kray and native LW. It was a reasonably detailed mesh with a highly complex shader made up of, oh, about 140 nodes. Quite a few of these were third party procedurals and shaders, including custom lighting shaders, ambient occlusion, etc. Aside from the stochastic sampling using a different seed, they looked exactly the same. To me, this is a fairly big advantage, and beats anything I've seen out of Maya, Max or XSI. You can't render third party mental ray shaders in Vray for Max, right? Whether or not this is important or not obviously depends on your needs, but it is an advantage for some people.

I don't want to turn this into a fight over whose 3D package can beat up whose dad or anything, mind you, but it is important to note that Lightwave, while it certainly has more than its share weaknesses, still has strengths. If NewTek can release a product that draws on the strengths of current Lightwave and rectify many of the problems it has, while still keeping a very low price point, well, that seems like a winner to me. It's certainly possible that NewTek fail to deliver on their promises. It's certainly possible that it will be too buggy to be useful. But it's also possible that we'll end up with a product that has all the things that are actually *good* about Lightwave, while fixing most of the things that suck about it.

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I'm aware of that, but... you just don't sell like that!

I'm sure 10.* cycle will be a hell of a ride, as 9.* was but multiplied by ten! But... You're fighting with Autodesk's three headed Cerberus. You should look profesional, not just the quality of a TV program of first grade in the University... Argh

cmon they are aware of what they did and i am sure in future we can expect lot better approach... can we speak on features shown off?

mosconariz
02-04-2009, 11:37 PM
cmon they are aware of what they did and i am sure in future we can expect lot better approach... can we speak on features shown off?

Yeap, sorry...

Okay, we have:

-Modeler and layout in one!

-Real Instancing!

-Integrated Dynamics!

-History

-Attributes

-Outline

-Complete SDK and Python, which means a hell lot of power


Being objective, this is a hell of improvement in the software I have been using in the last 11 years.

Bucket
02-04-2009, 11:45 PM
Did AD buy Newtek? Just comes as a surprise that they are going to charge customers more for the same product. I'm happy for the LWers that are excited about this update. It's probably good that they are exploring ways to get more money through training videos. If it helps them to hire more programmers, then it's the right move. If they are going to raise prices this is the right time because it would be hard to justify it after core is released. Most are convinced this is a brand new product and worthy of a new pricing structure. I do have to wonder about the politics involved in saying a product is rewritten and rebuilt etc.

mav3rick
02-04-2009, 11:49 PM
Yeap, sorry...

Okay, we have:

-Modeler and layout in one!

-Real Instancing!

-Integrated Dynamics!

-History

-Attributes

-Outline

-Complete SDK and Python, which means a hell lot of power


Being objective, this is a hell of improvement in the software I have been using in the last 11 years.

just to mention there was lot more to be shown but was unable due obvious technical issues they had.... more to come this days and ui show was engineering show off rather than artist aproach since it was not intend to be this time around .. core is in early development stage

LightWuv
02-04-2009, 11:51 PM
Yeap, sorry...

Okay, we have:

-Modeler and layout in one!

-Real Instancing!

-Integrated Dynamics!

-History

-Attributes

-Outline

-Complete SDK and Python, which means a hell lot of power


Being objective, this is a hell of improvement in the software I have been using in the last 11 years.

-Customizable UI

constantine1
02-05-2009, 12:12 AM
I wonder if it's too late at this point for Newtek to be providing features that should've been in the software years ago? I'm happy they've finally gotten something right after years of lackluster updates. After all, I did start with the app.

tfortier
02-05-2009, 12:24 AM
Now that they have an unified application, updates will be more relevants. But I am not gonna buy it if there is no render passes management tool.

hrgiger
02-05-2009, 12:33 AM
Did AD buy Newtek? Just comes as a surprise that they are going to charge customers more for the same product. I'm happy for the LWers that are excited about this update. It's probably good that they are exploring ways to get more money through training videos. If it helps them to hire more programmers, then it's the right move. If they are going to raise prices this is the right time because it would be hard to justify it after core is released. Most are convinced this is a brand new product and worthy of a new pricing structure. I do have to wonder about the politics involved in saying a product is rewritten and rebuilt etc.

Again, a few things to consider. Even at $1495, it's still priced below most of it's competitors. Yes, Modo too. It still after all is just a modeler and renderer, no animation yet (other then using animation data from other apps). I'm sure Lux will increase the price once Modo becomes a full application as well. And there are no modules to buy like with C4D, everything is included in that price.

And it is a completely new application. Lightwave 9.x and below has been mostly written in C. Lightwave Core is an object oriented program written in C++. Currently Lightwave is two programs but has been re-written as one for Core, but still giving you the option to keep seperate environments. Currently, the Lightwave SDK is limited on the information it can share with 3rd party developers, this will no longer be the case. This is a whole new beast. So it's not really politics or a marketing gimmick to call Lightwave Core re-written. It has been re-written.

As a sidenote, a lot of us LW users have felt that the price of Lightwave has been too low for some time. Not only have we wanted to see perhaps some new developers and faster development, but we would like to see Lighwave taken seriously in the industry as a viable software package and not as an ageing dinosaur with a antiquated core. And we all know that there's a mentality that you get what you pay for. All of this sounds very positive to me.

cresshead
02-05-2009, 12:33 AM
lightwave core looks pretty good to me.

totally custom u.i. tear off panels like maya and 'look'
put in history similar to maya's
put in modifier stack like 3ds max
runs on linux, osx and windows
python scripting
instancing finally!

recorded the broadcast on my psp btw...

looks like newtek melted their servers for the newtek website though!

pricing looks okay so far...

interesting to see how they have leap frogged modo in some areas as i belive modo does not have any history/modifier stack...that's a major plus

giving you BOTH history and a modifer stack is like combining maya and 3dsmax together...something autodesk should have done a couple of years back!

it's early days but so far looks pretty cool..i'll probably sign up to the 'hard core' and add it to my lightwave 9.6 along with my 3dsmax 2009 ans zbrush..

hope to see some sculpting tools too maybe...

siggy 2009 will be VERY intersting this year....

also modo is showing off their next revision of modo this week i belive to will be intersting to see what they come up with also.

good times!

we need companies like newtek, luxology and pixologic to KEEP Autodesk on their toes
otherwise we could see a decline in inovation with out competition knocking on their doors...

pluMmet
02-05-2009, 12:33 AM
Newtek is back up and with Core info:
http://www.newtek.com/core/techfaq.php

Phyrea
02-05-2009, 01:00 AM
Did AD buy Newtek? Just comes as a surprise that they are going to charge customers more for the same product.
Heh, have you been paying any attention? It's not the same product. Not anywhere close to the same.

I have to say, botched live presentation aside, this really is a big deal. After reading all the information NewTek has released, I'm more than convinced that NewTek is creating a monster (the good kind). It sounds to me like they know just what they're doing and are quite possibly doing it better than any of their competitors have done so far.

Yeah, they're a bit late to the game, one could argue (although only late to part of the game...the competition left the other part that LW excelled at), but that also means they get to learn from the mistakes others have made.

For instance, it looks like the interface is heading in the direction of uber-efficient - something that makes a world of a difference. What's the point of having all the power in the 3d universe if it's held down by a convoluted GUI?

Szos
02-05-2009, 02:10 AM
So I just read through this whole thread and tried the links that a few people posted but it looks like that video is listed as being offline.

Some of you guys said it was really bad, but I would have liked to at least get a chance to watch it myself. Anyone have any idea if it's gonna be posted directly on NT's site or on YouTube?

x70
02-05-2009, 02:19 AM
Meh, I feel like I did when I was a kid and Pepsi announced that they had a new drink coming out. Then I find out it's crystal clear Pepsi and want to cry.

I feel let down. O well I still have XSI:).

gelfie
02-05-2009, 02:27 AM
The price has gone up because XSI Foundation no longer exists.

Look for the price of most 3D applications to rise now that very cheap and very powerful version of XSI is no longer on the market.

It forced a pricewar. Only consumers like a pricewar. Companies like to get all they can for their product.

I bet the price of modo goes up too, and its been overpriced since version 101.

hrgiger
02-05-2009, 02:56 AM
The price has gone up because XSI Foundation no longer exists.

Look for the price of most 3D applications to rise now that very cheap and very powerful version of XSI is no longer on the market.

It forced a pricewar. Only consumers like a pricewar. Companies like to get all they can for their product.

I bet the price of modo goes up too, and its been overpriced since version 101.

I seriously doubt that the price of Lightwave going up with Core have a thing to do with XSI foundation. Lightwave has always had one of the lowest prices of the big 3D software companies. They were one of the first to lower their prices. Even with the price hike, they're still one of the lowest. Newtek has always been about providing tools that even an artist can afford. When prices dropped several years back with XSI, Lightwave, and Maya, only Autodesk stayed static with their $3500 pricetag. Now it looks like Lightwave will be one of the few bargains that are left. With the application maturing as it is and now losing it's former limitations, it might very well become very attractive to smaller studios where cost is a major issue.

While XSI Foundation was great, it was in the end a cut down version of XSI unlmited or essentials. Lightwave was, is and always will be a complete application.

cresshead
02-05-2009, 03:03 AM
also note that xsi has joined the autodesk clan so you cannot resell xsi, maya or 3dsmax and so can't BUY a second hand version of xsi, maya or 3dsmax...you CAN with lightwave and also they can a companion upgrade deal too.

add to that the prospect of running on windows, osx or linux without being made to choose o/s before you buy or being charged to move from one o/s to another...and add in linux render nodes...999 free render nodes from lightwave...much more than maya or xsi can offer
for mental ray.

newtek's new app looks to be heading in a good direction.

R10k
02-05-2009, 03:18 AM
What Newtek needed with Core (at this point in time) is a sidegrade option. Core looks interesting, and they have my attention, but why would I pay $1400AUD now to pick it up along with what I have? (which is XSI7) It's too much. Obviously I can wait until a demo is out at the end of the year for the full thing, but then I'll be looking at $2300AUD, which is potentially what it'll cost to upgrade to Softimage2009 (or whatever it'll be called).

Obviously I'm talking from a freelancer perspective, but I think NewTek's pricing for this one, as good as it is in general, is a wee bit off with this one. When the world is watching, make them a deal they can't refuse. Softimage did it with XSI7 (the amazing upgrade deal for any XSI owner) and Newtek would have done well to do the same.

My two cents. Feel free to disagree :D

cresshead
02-05-2009, 03:38 AM
What Newtek needed with Core (at this point in time) is a sidegrade option. Core looks interesting, and they have my attention, but why would I pay $1400AUD now to pick it up along with what I have? (which is XSI7) It's too much. Obviously I can wait until a demo is out at the end of the year for the full thing, but then I'll be looking at $2300AUD, which is potentially what it'll cost to upgrade to Softimage2009 (or whatever it'll be called).

Obviously I'm talking from a freelancer perspective, but I think NewTek's pricing for this one, as good as it is in general, is a wee bit off with this one. When the world is watching, make them a deal they can't refuse. Softimage did it with XSI7 (the amazing upgrade deal for any XSI owner) and Newtek would have done well to do the same.

My two cents. Feel free to disagree :D

there is a side grade option....

For everyone new to LightWave your full LightWave purchase at US$895 also comes with access to LightWave CORE™ and all the HardCORE™ benefits for a full year.

see here>>
http://www.newtek.com/core/

hrgiger
02-05-2009, 03:38 AM
My two cents. Feel free to disagree :D
They're offering a companion upgrade to new Lightwave users for $595 for a one year membership.

Edit: and I see Cress beat me to it.

R10k
02-05-2009, 03:47 AM
there is a side grade option....

$895USD is the $1400AUD I mentioned in my post. And, it's not sidegrade, it's just a cheaper price for everyone, because the software isn't ready yet.

They're offering a companion upgrade to new Lightwave users for $595 for a one year membership.

What on earth is a companion upgrade? Also, is it $595 or $895? I'm confused :curious:

hrgiger
02-05-2009, 03:53 AM
Taken pretty much from the video

"For those of you who are into 3D but havent' yet experienced the joy of Lightwave, you can get a companion upgrade for $595."

I take that to mean if you are not currently a Lightwave user you can get a hardcore membership for a year for the $595. He also mentioned that it was for a lmited time (March 31st I believe).

R10k
02-05-2009, 04:02 AM
Okay, I haven't seen the video.

I think I'll email the Newtek guys and ask what a companion upgrade is. It sounds as though for $595 someone could get their wife, or husband upgraded. But, I'm sure they're already in 3D, sadly.

mtartist
02-05-2009, 05:51 AM
Okay, I haven't seen the video.

The video has been posted on Youtube. It over here (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=lightwave+core&aq=f)

Swizzle
02-05-2009, 06:10 AM
Okay, I haven't seen the video.

I think I'll email the Newtek guys and ask what a companion upgrade is. It sounds as though for $595 someone could get their wife, or husband upgraded. But, I'm sure they're already in 3D, sadly.From what I understand, a companion upgrade means that you get a discount if you own a copy of certain other software. From the site: (http://shop.newtek.com/lightwavev9withprintedmanual-companionupgrade.aspx)

qualifying products:
Softimage XSI, Maya, 3ds max, Cinema 4D, Modo, After Effects, Photoshop, Shake, Digital FusionSo, if I'm understanding this correctly, if you own any of the listed software already, you get a big discount when buying a copy of LW.

R10k
02-05-2009, 06:38 AM
Not bad then... not bad at all. It's a shame the exchage rate is such a killer at the moment, because that's a good deal.

EDIT: Holy... that Core video looks like a cutscene from an old 90s full-motion video game.

Shenan
02-05-2009, 06:50 AM
EDIT: Holy... that Core video looks like a cutscene from an old 90s full-motion video game.
It's really a shame that the video looked so amateurish. When you read the details about what the new app is going to bring to the table (http://newtek.com/core/techfaq.php), the video was a real let down in comparison with how promising the app looks on paper.

With Lightwave supposedly being the top visual effects app for TV shows, you would think that they would have some relationships in the TV industry that they could have leveraged to make a top notch reveal video. Oh, well...

ccherrett
02-05-2009, 06:52 AM
BLENDERBOY!

Sorry had to :)

Phyrea
02-05-2009, 07:11 AM
Not bad then... not bad at all. It's a shame the exchage rate is such a killer at the moment, because that's a good deal.

EDIT: Holy... that Core video looks like a cutscene from an old 90s full-motion video game.
The video should have ended with, ALL YOUR CORE ARE BELONG TO US.

tfortier
02-05-2009, 08:02 AM
"With Lightwave supposedly being the top visual effects app for TV shows"

Im a motion designer and I can say LW is quite behind the competition for broadcast design. C4D, XSI and Maya are the way to go for easy After Effects integration and nice organic animations. Its ok with LW but just ok. Newtek did not make our job easy. I hope the CORE will be more up to the task. Actually C4D stole a lot of LW users when they went first with a friendly AE application.

FreakWizz
02-05-2009, 08:48 AM
"With Lightwave supposedly being the top visual effects app for TV shows"

Im a motion designer and I can say LW is quite behind the competition for broadcast design. C4D, XSI and Maya are the way to go for easy After Effects integration and nice organic animations. Its ok with LW but just ok. Newtek did not make our job easy. I hope the CORE will be more up to the task. Actually C4D stole a lot of LW users when they went first with a friendly AE application.

Jay as mentioned publically that a good multipass render solution, will be on the cards for LW. And that they recognize it's importance... Also the better core and SDK will enable others to beat them too it, if need be....

As for being one of the top visual effects applications for TV, It simply is.... Not saying it hasn't lost some of it's shine (or CORE wouldn't be a reality anyway) but it's still used in almost all popular TV series and has been since the beginning. You can argue movie credits with LW, but never try to argue LW's television relevance, few if any can match LW in this area.. 999 Free render nodes, and the fastest and easiest renderer are used on tight deadlines daily, for a lot cheaper than a Maya seat.

fxgogo
02-05-2009, 08:55 AM
Like the windows, osx and linux versions. Don't like the annual subscriptions. In this day and age, and with the market like it is, it is a risky move. I still think going open source should of been they way they should of gone.

NicolasJordan
02-05-2009, 12:13 PM
Like the windows, osx and linux versions. Don't like the annual subscriptions. In this day and age, and with the market like it is, it is a risky move. I still think going open source should of been they way they should of gone.

I can't see Lightwave going open source unless they get to a point in the future where it can no longer compete or rake in enough money to keep itself alive.

Shenan
02-05-2009, 01:28 PM
Im a motion designer and I can say LW is quite behind the competition for broadcast design. C4D, XSI and Maya are the way to go for easy After Effects integration and nice organic animations.
I didn't mean motion graphics, but visual effects as in spaceships, etc. Like FreakWizz said

imashination
02-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Like the windows, osx and linux versions. Don't like the annual subscriptions. In this day and age, and with the market like it is, it is a risky move. I still think going open source should of been they way they should of gone.

So where does the money come from? You either make money off the sales, or you get it from the support subscriptions. Companies like redhat etc exist because they sell support packages to the users. If youre saying you dont want the annual subscriptions, then opensource isnt really much of a choice for a money making company.

Annnnd, the fact that most people are perfectly happy never needing to call tech support leaves a rather tiny number of people who might be willing to pay for help when there's forums like these.

cresshead
02-05-2009, 02:50 PM
looking forward to seeing more info on this..we've just had the barest amount of info so far..looks to be simiar to maya, xsi and 3dsmax but work on all three o/s unlike xsi and 3dsmax.

and the 999 render nodes, moving your app for free from osx to windows to linux with no cost penaty

can't wait to see more about it.

cresshead
02-05-2009, 03:03 PM
follow up post from newtek>>

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94787

RobertoOrtiz
02-05-2009, 03:16 PM
follow up post from newtek>>

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94787

Good find,
And here is arepost for the Lazy...

To the LightWave Community,

First off, I'd like to apologize to you for the way we handled the LightWave CORE presentation yesterday. We still don't know exactly what went wrong with the stream. (It wasn't a NewTek bandwidth issue; the NewTek website problem was something completely unrelated.) We were streaming from a non-NewTek location. The video was going out OK and UStream was receiving it, but for some reason we couldn't get it routed to our LightWave CORE reveal page. After working with the UStream tech guys for more than an hour, we finally gave up and routed it to a different page. Of course, we lost a lot of viewers in that switch over. I know the delay and the switch really annoyed a lot of people...and rightly so...and I'm very sorry we didn't get started on time.

As for the presentation...well, that obviously did not go as we had envisioned. There are lots of reasons for that, but the main reason is that we simply ran out of time. We had a choice to make to send it out as it was or delay the LightWave CORE Reveal for a day or two, and in the heat of the moment we obviously made the wrong call. We know we can do better, and we'll be posting more LightWave CORE videos in the very near future.

I take responsibility for these decisions, and I offer my humble apology to the LightWave community for not meeting your expectations with our LightWave CORE presentation.

Moving on: I think I've read almost every message on every forum, and I can see that we've confused some of you about our upcoming LightWave development plans. We'll clarify these issues on our site, but I'd like to take this opportunity to immediately address some of the questions about the new HardCORE program and future LightWave pricing.

Question 1: Is HardCORE a new subscription program for LightWave?
Answer 1: Yes, but it is not mandatory. You can still buy LightWave upgrades the way you always have in the past. It's an optional program that will allow you to interact more closely with our developers and participate in the development of LightWave CORE. It also provides early access to the LightWave CORE technology. There are other benefits, as well.

Question 2: How often do you plan to ship a major paid upgrade?
Answer 2: Development plans are just that....plans; but we do hope to ship major paid upgrades more often than we have in the past. The CORE architecture will give us the opportunity to innovate faster than we've been able to previously.

Question 3: Will I be forced to upgrade or punished if I don't upgrade?
Answer 3: No. Just as always, you can choose to upgrade whenever you want and there will be no penalty if you choose not to. You can skip as many upgrades as you want and still come back in at any time and purchase the current upgrade at the current upgrade price.

Question 4: Will bug fixes continue to be free?
Answer 4: Yes.

Question 5: Does the HardCORE subscription program include the LightWave CORE, or do I have to pay extra when it ships?
Answer 5: It is included.

Question 6: What if you don't ship LightWave CORE in Q4 like you planned, and my HardCORE subscription expires before you ship?
Answer 6: You'll still get it. We'll guarantee at least one paid upgrade with each annual HardCORE subscription.

Question 7: How much will the HardCORE subscription cost next year?
Answer 7: We don't know yet. It's hard to predict our future costs and prices, but it will likely be the same as it is this year.

Question 8: When can I sign up for HardCORE?
Answer 8: Soon...probably in the next day or two. We'll send out a notice as soon as sign-up is available.

Question 9: What if don't live in the United States, can I still sign up for HardCORE?
Answer 9: Yes, you can sign up directly with NewTek on our site. We should have all that ready in a day or two.

OK, those are what I believe were the most asked questions in the forums I read. If you have any other questions, please post them here and I will try to answer them.

With Regards,

Jim Plant
President & CEO
NewTek, Inc.

WyattHarris
02-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Thanks for the link Cress that clears up a lot. So the subscriptions are not mandatory, only if you want the service. As a freelancer it's out of my price range but I could see the advantage.

As for the real pricing:
Retail: US$1495, that's the same price I paid for version 5.
Upgrades: US$695, that's a little higher than I would like but manageable.

Good to see Jim owned up to the shortcomings yesterday. Now there's no need to bash the production or defend it or drag it out any further... right. :D

LightWuv
02-05-2009, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the link Cress that clears up a lot. So the subscriptions are not mandatory, only if you want the service. As a freelancer it's out of my price range but I could see the advantage.

As for the real pricing:
Retail: US$1495, that's the same price I paid for version 5.
Upgrades: US$695, that's a little higher than I would like but manageable.

Subscription before end of March will cost you a lot less than one upgrade, so shouldn't that be your first choice? :)

Good to see Jim owned up to the shortcomings yesterday. Now there's no need to bash the production or defend it or drag it out any further... right. :D

Stuff like Jim's post makes all the difference :beer:

WyattHarris
02-05-2009, 03:33 PM
Question 5: Does the HardCORE subscription program include the LightWave CORE, or do I have to pay extra when it ships?
Answer 5: It is included.

Question 6: What if you don't ship LightWave CORE in Q4 like you planned, and my HardCORE subscription expires before you ship?
Answer 6: You'll still get it. We'll guarantee at least one paid upgrade with each annual HardCORE subscription.
Scratch what I just said. So buy 1 subscription, get all the benefits and get Core when it's released. For US$395 this choice is a no brainer now.

LightWuv
02-05-2009, 03:35 PM
Scratch what I just said. So buy 1 subscription, get all the benefits and get Core when it's released. For US$395 this choice is a no brainer now.

Welcome aboard Wyatt :p

circusboy
02-05-2009, 03:59 PM
The point that strikes me is that they did it all in 2 years of developement.
Having personaly worked for one of the major 3d software developers for 8 years-
well 2 years is about half (or less) the length of time it takes to develope something new-from-the-ground up!

I think ICE took longer than that and its only a partial architectural overhaul (the beginings of but not a complete take over of the core architecture-more of which was to come in later versions/stages until it was entirely complete).

So I'm just wondering how 'complete' this app is gonna be?

biliousfrog
02-05-2009, 04:08 PM
The point that strikes me is that they did it all in 2 years of developement.
Having personaly worked for one of the major 3d software developers for 8 years-
well 2 years is about half (or less) the length of time it takes to develope something new-from-the-ground up!

I think ICE took longer than that and its only a partial architectural overhaul (the beginings of but not a complete take over of the core architecture-more of which was to come in later versions/stages until it was entirely complete).

So I'm just wondering how 'complete' this app is gonna be?

That concern has been raised as they could throw out an incomplete application in order to 'terminate' the subscription. Basically, once you've paid for the software, they can release pretty much anything they like...and they haven't exactly shown much yet.

TBH, as long as it's as good as 9.6, I'll pay for the early-bird subscription just to test the workflow and the potential benefits of having a unified package. If they don't deliver by the end of the year at least I haven't thrown a load of cash down the drain and I can go elsewhere.

cresshead
02-05-2009, 04:13 PM
yeah sold me, i'm in...paypal'd and now waiting for the HARDcore forum to open up!

best way to find out about lightwave core is some hands on playing rather than videos and feature lists!

mustique
02-05-2009, 04:13 PM
I think with the C4D like module approach
and the modern architecture Newtek, looks to be on the right path for a nextgen app.

I just hope Autodesk wakes up someday and anounces a similar vision.
If not it's good to know there are promising alternatives.

Shenan
02-05-2009, 04:47 PM
What do you mean the C4D like modular approach? I saw the video and read the FAQs and a lot of the threads and it seems that Lightwave Core is going to be sold as a single price all-in-one app like it has always been. Maybe I missed something or you mean something else instead of C4D's approach of selling different parts of the app as add-on modules?

imashination
02-05-2009, 05:00 PM
The point that strikes me is that they did it all in 2 years of developement.
Having personaly worked for one of the major 3d software developers for 8 years-
well 2 years is about half (or less) the length of time it takes to develope something new-from-the-ground up!

Well, they have another year still with the Q4 ETA, so thats 3 years at least. Though, I agree, I'd be very impressed if its complete when launched.

I think with the C4D like module approach
and the modern architecture Newtek, looks to be on the right path for a nextgen app.

Where was this mentioned? its all in 1 app afaik

hrgiger
02-05-2009, 05:04 PM
It is all in one package. I think people have seen posts where Newtek have mentioned that the programming methods they've used use a modular approach meaning they can take parts of the code out and replace them without screwing anything else up in the processs. But the program is all one program. There's not going to be hair, particle, or dynamics modules or anything dumb like that.

mustique
02-05-2009, 05:26 PM
It is all in one package. I think people have seen posts where Newtek have mentioned that the programming methods they've used use a modular approach meaning they can take parts of the code out and replace them without screwing anything else up in the processs. But the program is all one program. There's not going to be hair, particle, or dynamics modules or anything dumb like that.

Yep that's what led me to believe it has a modular approach like C4D.

Still it looks to me that such a codebase could eventually be tailored for different versions
of the app, with the mentioned price for the whole thing.

mav3rick
02-05-2009, 05:29 PM
newtek will offer own solutions for modeling/render/dynamic/surfacing
but as they state LW core itself will be that much open that same SDK used by NEWTEK to create CORE will be used by any 3rd party developer that will be able to do own application inside lw core that will be within already present UI or separate GUI ...
i think that itself is quiet impressive approach ... more like maya was but sadly it show ages

icedeyes
02-05-2009, 06:05 PM
I will upgrade just because i want to support newtek in what they are trying to do (plus they rewrote the core which was one of my main issues with lw)... That said, I hope its more stable than most first core versions of 3d programs (unfortunatelly i had to deal with a bunch of them)...

Great work Newtek... Thanks for listening to lw users (there's not an aweful lot of companies do that)...

EightBit
02-05-2009, 06:41 PM
The channel is off air. Is there any place we can see what Core looks like? All they have on the Core website is hype and a discount. I think NT is capable of producing something ground breaking, but asking for $$ with hype alone is not impressive.

Limbus
02-05-2009, 06:44 PM
The channel is off air. Is there any place we can see what Core looks like? All they have on the Core website is hype and a discount. I think NT is capable of producing something ground breaking, but asking for $$ with hype alone is not impressive.

They did show some GUI images in the video but it didn't tell much. The most interesting info is hidden here: http://www.newtek.com/core/techfaq.php

cresshead
02-05-2009, 07:04 PM
The channel is off air. Is there any place we can see what Core looks like? All they have on the Core website is hype and a discount. I think NT is capable of producing something ground breaking, but asking for $$ with hype alone is not impressive.

try youtube..search>> lightwave core

richcz3
02-05-2009, 08:44 PM
........With Lightwave supposedly being the top visual effects app for TV shows, you would think that they would have some relationships in the TV industry that they could have leveraged to make a top notch reveal video. Oh, well...For whatever the reason, NewTeks long history in marketing and presentation has felt minimal or half-hearted. Everything from their site (until recently) to conventions had been called to question - Is it a budgetary issue...?
The Lightwave community historicaly is very giving. Although it had become difficult - word of mouth at many steps along the way helped. I think with Core, its the community again that will come in and assist to bridge marketing misteps. :D

tfortier
02-05-2009, 11:39 PM
Sorry for my last post, I was forgetting about tv series special FX in which LW is a good contender.

Thumbs up for the Apology and FAQ! It was the right thing to do.

cresshead
02-06-2009, 12:39 AM
Sorry for my last post, I was forgetting about tv series special FX in which LW is a good contender.

Thumbs up for the Apology and FAQ! It was the right thing to do.

yeah lightwave rules visual effect for television shows...maybe not the animated logo's that xsi and cinema4d are strong at with their close ties to AE but lightwave does the big stuff like the Massive effects scenes in battlestar galactica and the terminator tv shows for example...truly kicking fx that often surpass what you'd see in the cinema.

example BSG>
http://www.zoicstudios.com/Web/Creations/Showcase.aspx?ShowType=Episodic&ShowID=29

and terminator tv show
http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/images/tv/terminator_lg.jpg

mav3rick
02-06-2009, 01:25 AM
nice cresh thanks for note

jasonio
02-06-2009, 11:55 AM
My take on this is that CORE adds some things that Lightwave needs to maintain its foothold in the industry.
None of the features are actually new to CGI. The significance of a flexible GUI should not be overlooked. If it goes as far as it should, then it should allow the community to recreate the layouts and usage of GUIs from all other apps on the market (if they want to tempt people away).
I doubt this node system will be comparible to ICE or Houdini by its feb beta release, IMHO, but I'm happy to be proved wrong. It sounds like it is closer to the nodal core from C4D (connection of object attributes, to scripts, operators and other object attributes allowing relationships and animations to be easier to control). Something "the big four" have also had since day one. (XSI had attribute connections/scripts/operators/etc long before ice in v1)
Its definitely good to see some healthy competition rising outside of Darth Autodesk though! Should keep them from falling asleep on the job.

ThriJ
02-06-2009, 01:14 PM
I think if you read what Jim the President CEO said you will see something that most LightWave users have known for a long time. When they have problems they don’t try and cover it up. Nobody at NewTek closes their eyes and pretends something is not happening. They own up and work hard to fix it. They communicate with and listen to their users closely with no high and mighty attitude. And I don’t mean like “we are all buds here so give me your money!” I mean when there is a bug or problem they acknowledge it and are on it.

LightWave 3D has its strengths and shortcomings and over the years they have managed to keep finding ways around the shortcomings while trying to make it stronger. Everyone has noticed that as they tack on new features to the program there are still fundamental limitations that remain the same. Newtek has been honest over the years in saying hey look at this feature and hey we added this cool thing, but no we can not really do that other cool stuff with out starting from scratch.


Now you can imagine that when users see Newtek saying “Hey while we were giving you this neat stuff we were using other recourses to build this new thing and it works the same way you love, but without the old limitations we and the other coders out there will now be able to make it do anything!”

Now that makes a lot of LightWave users go whoa!!!:scream: :eek: :bowdown:


And everybody else not familiar with this history will say, so what’s the big deal?:curious:


For many it feels like they have been adding on to this old but classic house making it better and better, but it still has the same weak foundation issues no matter what they do. And now after making the older house as nice as it can be they set on the side a brand new foundation with all the latest construction technology and they have already built the first floor so you can come in and do some work!


Now the question on everybody’s mind is will it be a nice simple new home? Will it be a crapy house with poor fabricated materials? A small house for the homeless? A huge skyscraper like nobody has seen before? A modern high-tech place with modern appliances that does cool stuff once you figure out the right buttons, but there is always that refrigerator that has a built in telephone and answering machine which nobody ever uses? All of the above? None of the above?

The answer to this is in the hands of Newtek……..



All we users have to go on at the moment is the past in which we have observed the character and approach that they use, which has so far been pretty good.:thumbsup:

toluabisola
02-06-2009, 03:08 PM
I think if you read what Jim the President CEO said you will see something that most LightWave users have known for a long time. When they have problems they don’t try and cover it up. Nobody at NewTek closes their eyes and pretends something is not happening. They own up and work hard to fix it. They communicate with and listen to their users closely with no high and mighty attitude. And I don’t mean like “we are all buds here so give me your money!” I mean when there is a bug or problem they acknowledge it and are on it.

LightWave 3D has its strengths and shortcomings and over the years they have managed to keep finding ways around the shortcomings while trying to make it stronger. Everyone has noticed that as they tack on new features to the program there are still fundamental limitations that remain the same. Newtek has been honest over the years in saying hey look at this feature and hey we added this cool thing, but no we can not really do that other cool stuff with out starting from scratch.


Now you can imagine that when users see Newtek saying “Hey while we were giving you this neat stuff we were using other recourses to build this new thing and it works the same way you love, but without the old limitations we and the other coders out there will now be able to make it do anything!”

Now that makes a lot of LightWave users go whoa!!!:scream: :eek: :bowdown:


And everybody else not familiar with this history will say, so what’s the big deal?:curious:


For many it feels like they have been adding on to this old but classic house making it better and better, but it still has the same weak foundation issues no matter what they do. And now after making the older house as nice as it can be they set on the side a brand new foundation with all the latest construction technology and they have already built the first floor so you can come in and do some work!


Now the question on everybody’s mind is will it be a nice simple new home? Will it be a crapy house with poor fabricated materials? A small house for the homeless? A huge skyscraper like nobody has seen before? A modern high-tech place with modern appliances that does cool stuff once you figure out the right buttons, but there is always that refrigerator that has a built in telephone and answering machine which nobody ever uses? All of the above? None of the above?

The answer to this is in the hands of Newtek……..



All we users have to go on at the moment is the past in which we have observed the character and approach that they use, which has so far been pretty good.:thumbsup:

Love this post, sums up my feelings perfectly.

I don't think I'll ever use Lightwave as a modeler again (Modo is too ingrained in my system) but i love the idea of using the program again as my primary 3d effects tool.

The love affair had died a little over the past 7 years but it always will have a special place in my heart.

RobertoOrtiz
02-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Well I think I shouldhare this to clear the air.
Erik Alstad has posted this handy list of the current capabilities of CORE acording to the material provided by NT...




Core has a new C++ codebase from ground up
Core is fully multithreaded, multiprocessor and GPU aware
Core integrates Modeler and Layout (or a seperate Modeler like before, if you want to)
Core integrates Python, so now we have a good foundation for doing things close to Maya MEL
Core has a new user interface that makes you work in a flexible way, alla XSI
Core has a UI that lets you choose the look of the UI, making things easy on your eyes
Core has a new .lws format based upon COLLADA, this should make things easier for you
Core gives way more power to 3rd parties to write more complex plugins (Rob note: the new SDK open up the WHOLE application)
Core unifies the animation, shading, lighting and rendering. (too hard to explain in on sentence)
Core has Stacking, you can change the modeling attributes at a later time, pretty much like 3DMax
Core can load a browser inside LW. Great for watching video tutorials inside LW +more
Core includes instancing
Core Hardcore makes it easy for you to discuss what features you want/ want to have improved in LW
Core makes it way more fast/ easy for programmers to write new e.g. Modeler tools, giving you more
Core will finally solve the weightmap/skinning problem we have had in layout.

Add to this the new CA 9.6 features
-Joint bones
-EASY Stretchy bones (not like Maya, where I have to write expressions to make it work)
-EASY Cartoon muscles on bones

Add to this the good old plugins
-FPrime, a previewer that no other app can match
-HDinstance, a BILLION objects? no problem! (give me an app that match that)
-LWCad, makes it possible for you to make those buildings in 1-2-3
-InfiniMap, for unlimited size texture resolution in LW. (Maya has a 4098 res. limit, sucks.)
-I posted more info on what's possible inside LW here [LINK] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5662228#post5662228)

Add to this what we still haven't seen

Tama
02-08-2009, 08:30 PM
Well I think I shouldhare this to clear the air.
Erik Alstad has posted this handy list of the current capabilities of CORE acording to the material provided by NT...





Core has a new C++ codebase from ground up
Core is fully multithreaded, multiprocessor and GPU aware
Core integrates Modeler and Layout (or a seperate Modeler like before, if you want to)
Core integrates Python, so now we have a good foundation for doing things close to Maya MEL
Core has a new user interface that makes you work in a flexible way, alla XSI
Core has a UI that lets you choose the look of the UI, making things easy on your eyes
Core has a new .lws format based upon COLLADA, this should make things easier for you
Core gives way more power to 3rd parties to write more complex plugins (Rob note: the new SDK open up the WHOLE application)
Core unifies the animation, shading, lighting and rendering. (too hard to explain in on sentence)
Core has Stacking, you can change the modeling attributes at a later time, pretty much like 3DMax
Core can load a browser inside LW. Great for watching video tutorials inside LW +more
Core includes instancing
Core Hardcore makes it easy for you to discuss what features you want/ want to have improved in LW
Core makes it way more fast/ easy for programmers to write new e.g. Modeler tools, giving you more
Core will finally solve the weightmap/skinning problem we have had in layout.



Add to this the new CA 9.6 features

-Joint bones

-EASY Stretchy bones (not like Maya, where I have to write expressions to make it work)

-EASY Cartoon muscles on bones



Add to this the good old plugins

-FPrime, a previewer that no other app can match

-HDinstance, a BILLION objects? no problem! (give me an app that match that)

-LWCad, makes it possible for you to make those buildings in 1-2-3

-InfiniMap, for unlimited size texture resolution in LW. (Maya has a 4098 res. limit, sucks.)

-I posted more info on what's possible inside LW here [LINK] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5662228#post5662228)



Add to this what we still haven't seen



With all these changes will Joe Alter bring back Shave and a Haircut support for LW?
I anticipate a renaissance of plugin development for LW.

WyattHarris
02-09-2009, 03:38 PM
Oohhh, you mention Shave and a Haircut and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. IMO, one of the greatest failures of old Newtek. I would love to see this plug-in reborn.

Tama
02-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Oohhh, you mention Shave and a Haircut and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. IMO, one of the greatest failures of old Newtek. I would love to see this plug-in reborn.

Wasn't the reason for pulling his support for LW due to the closed structure of LW at that time? With the rewrite I would think that porting it over to the new LW architecture would be possible and eventually profitable as well. The current LW hair/fur options appear to me to be stop gap options and not wholly adequate for professional looking results.
Ignoring the inept streaming episode, it does appear to me that Newtek is doing what they need to do and in time will "get er done". Of course it will never be done quicky enough for many.

BookMansBlues
02-11-2009, 01:42 AM
Wasn't the reason for pulling his support for LW due to the closed structure of LW at that time? With the rewrite I would think that porting it over to the new LW architecture would be possible and eventually profitable as well. The current LW hair/fur options appear to me to be stop gap options and not wholly adequate for professional looking results.
Ignoring the inept streaming episode, it does appear to me that Newtek is doing what they need to do and in time will "get er done". Of course it will never be done quicky enough for many.

not exactly, I understand it was more of a personal matter, so that door may stay closed if time does not indeed heal all wounds. Though I'm sure LWs architecture is part of it, just not the whole reason.

RobertoOrtiz
02-13-2009, 03:13 PM
The core page has been updated:

http://www.newtek.com/core/

NicolasJordan
02-13-2009, 03:23 PM
The core page has been updated:

http://www.newtek.com/core/

Looks much better now with everything better explained and more organized. The video looks like it got some extra polish also. :applause:

gerardo
02-16-2009, 07:05 AM
Add to this the good old plugins

-FPrime, a previewer that no other app can match
-HDinstance, a BILLION objects? no problem! (give me an app that match that)
-LWCad, makes it possible for you to make those buildings in 1-2-3
-InfiniMap, for unlimited size texture resolution in LW. (Maya has a 4098 res. limit, sucks.)
-I posted more info on what's possible inside LW here [LINK] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5662228#post5662228)

Add to this what we still haven't seen

Other innovative and unique feature related with third-party plugins that VFX people might find interesting (mainly for motion picture production) is the SG_CCTools. The first (and free) system for color management and linear workflows developed ever within a 3D package.




Gerardo

samartin
02-16-2009, 10:03 AM
So has CORE been rolled out to the people who have bought into HardCORE yet?

Would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts if it isn't tied to some sort of NDA!?!?

Saturn
02-16-2009, 10:10 AM
Other innovative and unique feature related with third-party plugins that VFX people might find interesting (mainly for motion picture production) is the SG_CCTools. The first (and free) system for color management and linear workflows developed ever within a 3D package.




Gerardo

Not really but it's good to have it !

gerardo
02-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Not really but it's good to have it !

Please, can you clarify what you mean? Are you referring that there is other free color management system, developed within other 3D package that allows us to work in linear light at gamut level, with the most wider working color spaces (not only film) by managing all color flow for any output medium? Or perhaps you are referring to other thing?



Gerardo

wwade
02-16-2009, 07:11 PM
So has CORE been rolled out to the people who have bought into HardCORE yet?

Would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts if it isn't tied to some sort of NDA!?!?



it was stated that is would be end of March before it was let out to roam the wilds. And it will be end of 3Q before it is released to the general public or that is the target date any how.

The HardCore folk should be getting some videos and such to tide them over for a few weeks while they stir around waiting.

gerardo
02-17-2009, 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturn
Not really but it's good to have it !


Please, can you clarify what you mean? Are you referring that there is other free color management system, developed within other 3D package that allows us to work in linear light at gamut level, with the most wider working color spaces (not only film) by managing all color flow for any output medium? Or perhaps you are referring to other thing?


hmmm... I think you were referring to other thing. There's no reference in any other commercial 3D package about a system with this kind of linear workflow features or color management facilities. Though it might be something very common in future, I guess :)



Gerardo

CiaranM
02-18-2009, 05:03 AM
Perhaps he means the linear workflow and color management system in XSI, but I don't know how that compares to the one you're talking about.

gerardo
02-18-2009, 07:21 AM
Perhaps, but I don't think so. SG_CCTools is a real color management system and it's previous to that feature in XSI. Besides what we see in XSI (and this is a common misconception) is not well-called color management. Let's consider a color space is a lot more than just its gamma, and color management is a lot more than just linearizations and gamma corrections. This lack of color management facilities implies for example that (except Lightwave) all other 3D packages provide by default linear workflows at gamma level only. Though is possible to workaround it depending on the output medium, solutions are circumscribed to some serious limitations without a color management system like the SG_CCTools. We are really talking about an innovative and new feature here :)



Gerardo

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