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DaveA
01-18-2009, 12:17 AM
Vue 7 xStream running under Vista 64 crashes each time I try to open the program in stand alone mode - claiming some issue with OpenGL32.dll. It crashes whether it be the 32 or 64 bit version and regardless of whether or not I use software or hardware OpenGL mode. I also run Cinema 4D R11 and while C4D runs perfectly in OpenGL, as soon as I invoke some function of Vue that requires the graphics card,the program crashes. For example I can load atmospheres and have them render within C4D but should I use any of Vue's 3D interfaces that require some OpenGL function (such as the terrain editor), the program crashes.

I also have Vue 6 Infinite which does run perfectly fine on my machine (a new Core i7 Dell XPS Studio with a Radeon HD4850 graphics card).

I have opened a case with e-on and Tech support has forwarded this to the developers as I am using the latest build (Build 38524).

I have downloaded and reloaded the latest video drivers, but they are the same ones that came with the machine because the machine is so new. I have also re-installed Vue. Interestingly enough, after I re-installed Vue and again after I re-installed the drivers, Vue will open, but will crash the next time I open it and everytime thereafter....so Vue is corrupting something on exit.

Rather frustrating to shell out hundreds of dollars for a program and still not be able to get it to work after two weeks. Honestly, it is not enough to know that Tech support has forwarded this to development becaue it leaves me with no idea how close or how far I am away from a solution. As far I know, my issue could have fallen into a black hole and I am 10 months away from every getting this program to work! So much for customer care....I've been treated with more consideration in rejection letters. Working this whole issue via e-mail is just another level of misery to deal with....when you can't even get the program to open, you really want to talk to someone (if you want to actually talk to someone, that requires a maintenance package for another $600).

Relative to refunds, I have contacted Safe Harbor and they have contacted Vue and the outlook is not hopeful as they tell me that e-on is extremely difficult to deal with relative to getting refunds. When I heard that, I realized that if you look a the entire e-on web-site, there is nothing that even hints if they have a return policy....so the situation is rather pitiful, thus the desparate plea for any help.

In any case, if you can't help then let this post serve as a warning that Vue 7 xStream is catastrophically buggy on some machines, their tech support (via email) is weak, and you will most likely have to go the Better Business Bureau if you ever want your money back should you not be able to get their program to run.

I will be making this same post at multiple forums and web-sites as I am desparate for any help what-so-ever. The only comfort I can find is that there are other recent posts and trouble reports on Vue 7 xStream crashes on open...so it is good to know that I am not alone!

3D-Pangel

flood1
01-20-2009, 05:57 AM
Hi i have the exact same problem, i run a mac 8 core maxed out ram and cinema 4d R11.
I had Vue 6 wich ran perfectly fine on my machine, now that i have upgraded to Vue7 xstream with all the latest build etc... it wont even launch. It starts launching and as soon as i dismiss the dialog box saying your code and welcome etc it crashes and says Quit unexpectadly every freakin time. I have sent about 10 messages to e-on and the only response i get is " Try reinstalling" again and again and again. If that is the back up that you get i am seriously concerned. If i am in Cinema 4d and access the vue7 tab within cinema it trys to load a atmosphere and then after a while crashes cinema 4d aswell. In fact after installing Vue 7 i had to run cinema in 32 bit mode to get them to see each other. Now when i open Cinema the opening grid and layout has changed in the perspective viewport, wich is not a huge train smash, but does make me wonder just how well researched this latest version underwent. Anyways If there are other poor souls out there feeling the same pain, at least you know your not alone. Lets hope e-on development team get to the bottom of this.... Here's hoping

MarioC
01-20-2009, 01:35 PM
i am sorry hearing that it seems that vue 7 is nothing better then the versions before, and after the first user reports here i thought "e-on, after 6 versions of crap you got it". but your report sounds so familiar to mee.. it is depressing. if i write down just 10% of what "adventures" i and my colleague had the last months with vue 6 infinite just rendering a few sky boxes it would take an hour. we tested the software on 4 or 5 machines, didn't really work on even on. then tried cracks.. even worse, unusable.

return policy and e-on: all i can say is that in my opinion this company is one of those who have big dollar signs in every eye, and 3/4 of the employees are in marketing. i wrote 2 or 3 long mails about my problems (crashes, bugs, interface issues, strange behaviours / philosophies of the shader-networks and other parts of the program, etc.), a bit zynical but always polite. never got any answer (and i am a registered user!).

so i would guess that you will do the same thing i and my colleagues do: live with it, watch out for patches or vue 7 (in your case vue 7.5 or 8).

i just downloaded the open beta from vue 7 pioneer. the interface seems to be the same weird stuff like vue 6, but it didn't crash during the first minutes of playing around. now i am waiting for the trial of xstream 7 to check out if an update fixes the crashes and bugs of v6. if not we will drop this package forever.

i absolutely do not know how this software could became THE standard software for environment renderings :argh:

flood1
01-20-2009, 01:59 PM
Hey thanks for responding to my message, the latest reply i got from e-on is that my issues that have been raised have been passed on to their development team. " Heard that somewhere before" So i guess i will just have to wait and see. I agree with you crazy how it manages to make its way into big scale movie production houses. Yet it still has not delivered on any level for me the praise that the advertisers spew out. Well looks like good old faithful cinema 4d, z brush and after effects will be my only sanity and tones of matte painting until a solution is found.

Quetzacoalt
09-10-2009, 03:04 AM
Anyone knows how to fix this? I have the same issue now that im running Win 7 ultimate. I used it before on win xp sp3 and everything was ok.

InfernalDarkness
09-16-2009, 05:53 PM
Rather frustrating to shell out hundreds of dollars for a program and still not be able to get it to work after two weeks.

I've felt the same since Vue 5. Years of my life wasted, and with very little to show for it. I feel your pain. Hopefully you can create everything just fine with C4D alone; Vue is not an option, professionally.

bruno021
09-21-2009, 07:57 PM
Ok, you may now want some (perhaps) useful answers to your original question after the usual bash.
First, your version isn't up to date, latest build is 43993 for Vue7.4 xSt, 7.5 is 44720, but beta, so you should download it and see if your problem is fixed.
Do you have latetst video drivers?
Also, do you have the same problem if you use Vue in standalone mode, not from Cinema4D?
If so, try this: disable the background draw thread, in your display options, restart Vue and see if it works better.

DaveA
09-22-2009, 11:16 AM
When the original email was written, it was January, 2009. At that time, I was using the most up-to-date version of Vue 7 xStream (remember, if you aren't using the most current version e-on's on-line help system won't even let you post a problem).

Since that time, I did two things:

1) Removed those crappy Dell video drivers and installed fresh drivers from ATI
2) Followed this advice from e-on's support desk:


Hi David,
that seems tricky, I suggest you try to manually override the launch test system for a start.
go to your Application Data directory
which is something like that in XP:
[drive]: documents and Settings\[user]\Application Data
and on Vista, probablly
[drive]: Users\[your user]\Application Data
Note that you will maybe have to grant yourself the authorization to browse this directory in the security tab of properties. Then locate and open the following chain of directories:
e-on software/Vue 7.5 Infinite/Environment
open the file "config.xml" and change the values of the following line to "hardware" "false" and "false" like that:

you can backup this config file and paste over the original one if vue write wrong values in it at exit.
vue was tested with larger resolutions, but the mix of Dell special drivers and multiscreen definitely can mixup a bit the things here.
try to install the drivers manually now that nvidia has opened his drivers to notebook card directly from their webiste.
Best regards.
Voodoo

bruno021
09-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Oh, OK, I see now about the build number.
So did all this help?

DaveA
09-22-2009, 04:06 PM
Ohh...my reply got cut off. Sorry about that.

Yes it did help. Vue xStream now runs well both within C4D and standalone in both 32 and 64bit modes.

May I add that there are certain eco-system paint issues withing C4D that I understand are unique to the C4D implemenation (it only paints the same size plant on all C4D objects but not on Vue objects). But other than that, I have not seen too many other issues.

3D-Pangel

chippwalters
09-25-2009, 04:20 AM
I've felt the same since Vue 5. Years of my life wasted, and with very little to show for it. I feel your pain. Hopefully you can create everything just fine with C4D alone; Vue is not an option, professionally.

Sho,

I see this issue has been resolved for the original poster. Sorry you're still having trouble figuring out how to get Vue to run okay on your machine.

I noticed you never did reply regarding the photoreal quality of Vue renders I posted links to in the other thread. You might want to take a peek at those and you should see what other master artists are doing with Vue.

best,
Chipp

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