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q12
01-12-2009, 09:37 AM
hy Cyber

like before...now it tell a story?
I was looking also to the "storytelling" word and i found enough information about it, enough to make an idea for myself and to put it in work.

here is it :

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/q1212/cintiq-wacom/tst-supercompozitiecopy-1.jpg

CybrGfx
01-12-2009, 02:52 PM
YES!

THIS TELLS A STORY! A GOOD story!

Not too much going on, a nice focus on your subject.
GOOD balance of space, value, depth.

GREAT composition.

It took a while, Teodor, and we had to bang heads more than once, but you have now grasped that magic "sight," that is the difference between painting a picture, and painting an artwork.

THIS is the foundation for a very nice ARTWORK. Congratulations. Job WELL done!

You will be making anatomy adjustments to the robot. His chest plate is too small and too high, like a bolero jacket.

Do not complicate the background with lots of bushes and buildings and things.
You could just do foliage:
http://www.storyphoto.com/stock_jpegs/portraits_jpegs/lj_on_bridge.jpg,
but you could just as easily stick to a building, or sky. The background should not distract from the story happening in front. That is the strength of your piece.

This could have a very nice, "gritty" mood to it, it you keep this similar to your rough, with a gray, graffiti covered wall, the two of them on a walled path, talking. Could be a city, could be a spaceship...This would allow you to work on the robot's metal without a lot of distractions, and in making the woman more lifelike.

Now the next step is to work on your values. Color, the fun part, is not yet ready. Decide on the mood of this conversation. Are they in bright happy sunlight? Overcast, industrial, futuristic grime? Night? Noon? Spring? Winter? This will affect your story, because each choice will convey something about your story. Happy, sad, hopeful. That is why a strong foundation is SO important.

I am proud of you, Teodor. It has taken literally, MONTHS of effort on your part.
But you have crossed a VERY important artistic threshold. You are now starting to SEE how to use your artwork to tell the story in your head to anyone who looks at it.


~C

q12
01-12-2009, 06:25 PM
THANK YOU for your nice apreciations.
Still, im in the begining process and I will come with more several sketches, to exercise my brain and my skill. Im not eager to jump directly to color or value until im not perfectly sure i do it right in the first place.
I know that is a pain ,but i must be certain of my advance. I am sceptic at this moment and happy alltogether.
I wonder - a single person in a image can still tell a story? and here are my reasons why I ask this :
1. a single person can have a expresion, on the face or with body, but can do the role of telling a story by herself? Because that are the general poses everywhere(1 single person), in the most cases i see in images i find.
2. from --=Digital Storytelling=-- I extracted this informations (a conclusion if you like because these are croped from context): ~The clearer the goal, and the more daunting the obstacles that stand in the way of achieving it, the greater the drama. ~-The protagonist is literally one who goes after the prize and the antagonist is the one who tries to prevent this; their struggle is the core of the story.

-the hero’s journey.

- put your main character into great jeopardy. Tension can be increased by an element of uncertainty.

- the ticking clock

-Most important narrative elements: a protagonist, opponents, a goal, obstacles,a structural spine, and an increasing degree of jeopardy.

-Logic is often expressed in if/then terms. If the player does ‘‘A,’’ then ‘‘B’’ will happen.

My note (Teo) : In a way, what I find in here to work for me in my quest is that, ALWAYS MUST be 2 persons at least , to be able telling a story a.k.a (protagonist & antagonist). And this idea is my working one, this is what i find to work for me. Always to make 2 (or more) persons.


3. Real Life Examples:


• Quest
• Adventure
• Pursuit
• Rescue
• Escape
• Revenge
• The Riddle
• Rivalry
• Underdog
• Temptation
• Metamorphosis
• Transformation
• Maturation
• Love
• Forbidden Love
• Sacrifice
• Discovery
• Wretched Excess

My note (Teo) : this list is in fact describing the way you can do, a very pleasent/comic/moody/FullOfLife/ conversation just picking a point from there and debate him. Again, 2 persons are involved to make a conversation about the choosen point. I know it appear like the recipies of a loser, but in the way I see and search, it help me to direct me to somethig. Now I know where to search if I need "inspiration".

I return to my original question: -A single person in a image can do the role of telling a story by herself??


-My answer it will be, that it NOT tell any story(only expresions), until someone else came in the frame and share some expresions toghether.

If Im wrong, plese give some explains why.

A second question , if there is only landscape, it can tell a story? without any human or animal in there?
I want to have a clear mind with this questions and to proceed surgical to the next aproach in my compositions.
PLEASE take the time you need and when you find the wright and most helpfull answer, dont hesitate and bring it here. I also search for my self, and I will write it here when I find something concludent, but I need a word from someone with a much insidefull understanding in this matter. -hurry up with the answer :) -

and Thank You for your pacience and dedication.

CybrGfx
01-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Of course a single person in an image can tell a story.

And yes, you can paint an image with NO people, and have it tell a story. You came very close, a few works back, with a teddy bear sitting in the median of a street.

Like EVERYTHING in Life, it depends.
It depends upon the story you are telling, and what objects in the story people, or otherwise, are important to the tale...
Here is a picture by Kirk Richards:http://www.christiansinportraiture.com/artists/richards/pandorasbox.jpg
And one by Rossetti:http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/joan_arc_rossetti.jpg.
This image is by Frank Wright:http://www.gwu.edu/~fwright/graphics/icarus.jpg
Here is Edmund Dulac's "Princess and the Pea":
http://www.artsycraftsy.com/dulac/dulac_princess_pea_p.jpg (http://www.artsycraftsy.com/dulac/dulac_princess_pea_p.jpg)
Here is N.C. Wyeth's "Robinson Crusoe" http://thelategreats.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/crusoe.jpg

It all depends upon the story, and the artist. Yes, it is easier if you have more than one character, because you can then use the interaction between them as a base for the illustration, but any "moment" in a story that you can create an image for, that shows some action, will always stand a better chance of becoming a successful artwork.

EDIT: Images devoid of people still tell a story, but the need for that moment of "action" or something about to happen, or something has happened, is more important, since there are no people to help advance the story...

Here is Hokusai's Tsunami wave:http://www.theartwolf.com/masterworks/masterworks/1830_hokusai_wave.jpg

OR, picture inside a room, with a door to the outside wide open. The dresser drawers are open and askew, one is on the floor, with a stray sock lying nearby. The closet door is open, hangers strewn about on the closet floor, and jumbled on the pole. A picture frame lies on the floor, face down, broken glass around it. No people, but the setting tells a story...

OR, a blackened forest after a fire, with one small wildflower poking through the charred pieces of burnt wood...

Telling a story involves stirring the heart and the imagination. Telling a story well, involves the eye and the brain also...

~C

Vyse-soa
01-12-2009, 08:29 PM
I also think that the image of only one person can tell a story, even if there arent any objects, to which the person is relating to. (I think, the relationship to the painted surrounding or the objects is the essence of a story ).
Even one naked human with no surrounding can tell a story, because the person
is also an object at the same time, to which it relates to.

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