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EndoTouch
01-08-2009, 09:35 PM
This is sir Percival, one of the knights of the round table. I'm going to spend a some time on this to work out everything Im learning. Any help is appreciated, no excuses for any mistakes.

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/Percival-Rough-3.jpg

Eikoae
01-08-2009, 10:00 PM
I love the beginning you've got started! : )

One thing I would suggest for you right now is that your knight looks stiff in his right arm. I think it should be more of an action pose, where he'll be holding a lot more dynamic strength in his stance. Right now, he just seems to be looking at the weapon as if contemplating why it's there in his hand. He doesn't seem to have the intention to use it, but maybe that'll be more clear once you sketch in his features and expression.

The only other thing i would advise is to move one of the trees in your background. They look too perfect; both are equal distances away from the knight. I think it would create better asymmetry if one was maybe slightly tilted at an angle.

a l i : )

Saralyssan
01-09-2009, 05:37 AM
I second what Eiokoae says about the knight's stance in relation to his arm. When you're going to try to throw something with any kind of accuracy, usually you're looking ahead in the direction you're about to throw. Or, if you like the idea of him looking at his hand, there needs to be a clear reason for it. Maybe he's disgusted by what he's about to do, and his expression is pained, or frightened, or angry.

The other thing is that you should give anatomy some consideration before you proceed, as that gets increasingly difficult to fix. His clothes look like they're just floating on him, rather than being held up by an actual body. His upper chest and legs look particularly ambiguous. If I were you, I'd make a new layer and at least draw out a basic skeleton, and work from there to nail down the anatomy.

Bouke285
01-09-2009, 06:48 PM
His head, and hands are too big, he looks like he is inspecting his spear rather than throwing it. I can tell you weren't thinking about the composition when you placed the objects I have that same problem btw trying to overcome it.

CybrGfx
01-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Comment not relevant to topic.

EndoTouch
01-09-2009, 10:33 PM
Edit: Scroll down for update.

Alright.

I'm going to post the sketches I did while thinking how to portray Percival. He is known most for the grail. I thought I would be unique. The color is the way I saw it while "thinking this through" not that its perfect.

His pose. . . the thought was to exaggerate his innocence. He is the young innocent. Here he has never killed before. Not even fought. also he is only feet from Boindegardus, having just been knocked down. You don't wind up for that. The pose is a subdued athlete's stance, from google. Also I was looking at some baroque work to get the innocence into his stance.

I don't know, I feel like I've done the thinking through. I mean I did what I thought was thinking through. Maybe my ideas just don't match yours. Or maybe I'm just clueless out of my mind. I'll keep going, but I'd really like some help with whats been commented on, since my efforts don't seem to change anything.

Note, I just saw the replies, only Eikoa's was read before this update.

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/Percival-Rough-4.jpg

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/percy-srudy.jpg

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/percy-srudy-3.jpg

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/percy-srudy-2.jpg

EndoTouch
01-10-2009, 01:52 AM
I think its really improved thanks to some of the comments. A batter pose will need to wait till next time, as I don't have the time. I'm just going to detail this now. I hope it doesn't look like comments are being ignored.

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/EndoTouch/Percival-Rough-5.jpg

TrenchcoatPixie
01-10-2009, 03:26 PM
You had four people in a row say the exact same thing about his pose, and yet you won't change it because "maybe my ideas just don't match yours" and "I don't have the time?" All you've changed that was mentioned in any of the comments was the pink sky. I'd say you're ignoring us.

And that's fine, you know? It's your prerogative to do whatever you want with YOUR artwork. But his anatomy is still off, and his pose is still awkward and conceptually bewildering. I don't know what else you expect us to say. It's not worth making suggestions about values or colors or what have you, because the foundation is such a misfire.

If you don't have time to implement more than extremely minor corrections, I think it's a little rude to ask those of us at the WIP forum to look at it in the first place.

EndoTouch
01-10-2009, 05:24 PM
Sometimes people need to speak.

CybrGfx
01-10-2009, 07:02 PM
You are far too sensitive, and you are not honest with your postings. You either want to take the time and learn, or you want compliments on a last minute upload for some deadline.
Either way, this work shows severe compositional issues.

~C

TrenchcoatPixie
01-10-2009, 07:17 PM
Heh, I'm not gonna report him. I'm juuust here for the art critique, not for drama. Heck, I think I'll take it as an implied compliment--it's basically saying "I couldn't think of a good reason to trash what work of yours that I've seen, so I'm going to assume that you're bad at painting anything else."

Thanks! I think I'm getting a lot better at portraits, too. <Grins>

EndoTouch
01-10-2009, 07:37 PM
You know what, I'm not going to get into this and get banned.

Cyber, I love how you take people off balance as a talent. You are so great. Where would all those artist be without you talented well planed 'critique'. The world needs more people like you. You are my best friend. Also Thank you for making young artist look like the whiny bitches they are. It is nothing but good medicine.

Edited. Thank You Very Much.

EndoTouch
01-10-2009, 07:50 PM
bumb for cyber and my edits.

Kirt
01-10-2009, 09:14 PM
*groan* I grow tired of this ...

Everyone, please read this. Thank you.

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