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Samanthie
01-19-2007, 01:11 AM
Here are some of my sketches.

These are my warrior people and the finished image is in my gallery. There was no need to sketch in the opposite legs because they were going to be on horseback anyway.;)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_warrior_1.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_warrior.jpg



Very quick sketch.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_girl.jpg

another quick sketch...


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_guy.jpg




My stylized stallion. He is the base model for one of the images in my gallery.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/stallion_stylized.jpg

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Here are some more...

This one is from the last workshop: Masters
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_from_master_artist_FDW.jpg

an ear study...Photo reference from a book 'Draw and Sketch Figures' by Lucy Watson.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_earstudy.jpg

an eye study..Photo reference also from the Lucy Watson's book. I messed up on the eyelashes a little.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_eyestudy.jpg

a quick sketch..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_side.jpg

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 01:59 AM
a few more...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_guy1.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_face.jpg

SylvanMist
01-19-2007, 02:09 AM
Nice sketches you have here Samanthie :)
I like the line work of the 2 people at the top. The anatomy is a bit off however..like their lower legs seem a bit too short. I myself always had that problem when drawing the full figure..for some reason I don't know :p It can be hard to get it all right, the whole figure is pretty complex and challenging.

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 02:12 AM
one more for tonight. Thanks for looking. :)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady.jpg

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 02:19 AM
Thanks Roja and I know what you mean, full figures are challenging.

anandpg
01-19-2007, 02:30 AM
Hi Samanthie! Great start on your thread!:applause: Looking forward to lots of good stuff!

SpiritDreamer
01-19-2007, 02:30 AM
HEY...Samanthie....:thumbsup:

GREAT to see you getting your thread up and running...:applause:
I think you will progress very quickly in this forum. With the help of all the great talent in here, can't help but work out that way...:)
REALLY like your OFDW #20 that you posted, also liked that other version of it that had an angelic look about it, with the nice soft colors..
The ear and eye study are also nice, and you captured the elegance of the ARABIAN horse BEAUTIFULLY ..:thumbsup:
REALLY looking forward to seeing your thread and work develope and progress.....keep up the great work, and keep posting..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
01-19-2007, 04:14 AM
Heya, great to see your thread go up! :) We've definitely missed you in the OFDWs and it's good to see you back on the boards. Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers,

-Rebecca

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 05:28 AM
Anand, thank you and I hope to post some more stuff soon.:)


Hey Glenn, thanks so much! I am looking forward to learning more and improving my sketches and thanks again for your support.:)

Hi Rebecca, thank you! :) I've been very busy lately but I plan on doing some of the workshops I've missed and I'm looking forward to your new ones!

Samanthie
01-19-2007, 05:22 PM
This is the sketch I'll be working on. A little bit of smoothing and shaping, highlights etc. I am going to upsize the canvas for this. I want to add more to the figure.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady1.jpg

Samanthie
01-20-2007, 03:20 PM
I have something in mind for this sketch but here is what I have so far.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady2.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady2_closeup.jpg

NR43
01-20-2007, 06:26 PM
nice tones
keep going

Samanthie
01-23-2007, 04:29 PM
Thank you Johan, I have been busy with this over the weekend.



Here are some updates. I am still working on facial tones and hair..and just some overall details.
Thanks for looking.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady3.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady3_closeup.jpg

Samanthie
01-23-2007, 04:31 PM
and a few more updates...


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/angel_closeup.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel_closeup1.jpg

razz
01-23-2007, 04:50 PM
In this last piece of yours, of course it might only be me, but I'd like more constrast. The light is coming from the wings as I assume? Then you could paint some cast shadows, darkers/shadowy areas. Now the lighting gives the effect that she has been photographed. You know, lighting caused from the flash.
I think it would totally change the look of image.
Oh, and if this sort of lighting is what you were going for, forget what I've said. That's just what I'd like more.

Samanthie
01-23-2007, 05:25 PM
Hi Razz, thank you for stopping by and for your comments. :) Mainly I was going for the lighting from the right in the beginning but the wings have also added some lighting from the left. I will see if I can tone down the right side of her face since she is looking a little pale. Not sure how much more contrast I will add but I will play around with that some more this evening. I want the image to appear soft.

SpiritDreamer
01-23-2007, 05:47 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:thumbsup:
BEAUTIFUL JOB on those eyes..:applause:
Maybe a little more work on her upper lip..looks a little flat, which makes her bottom lip appear as though she is pouting, with her bottom lip sticking out..unless that is your intension of course..:)
You might also get the corners of the mouth to represent the emotion and expression that you are going for...I know your still working on her, but just thought that I would mention those two things, becuse they stood out to me when I first looked at her...If you consentrate on the rest of her face as much as those beautiful eyes you did, ..will really add to the piece I think. even if you are going for the eyes as the focus point, which has a great look also...like your OFDW#20 piece...:thumbsup:
Really looking forward to seeing where you go with this beauty...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
01-24-2007, 03:33 AM
Hi Glenn and thanks for your comments. I have worked on this for about four hours this evening, changing my mind here and there but then decided on this. I worked on the lips as you suggested and I like it alot better.

Razz, I have really worked on the contrast, not sure which image I will finally go with softer or more contrast but I DO like it with more contrast and thanks for the tip! Now I think I need to tone down some of the 'golden' color of the yellows on the higher contrast but I will work on that tomorrow. I am still working on the hair and other little details.

here goes..soft version first.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/angel_close.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel_contrast.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel_contrast_close.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel_contrast_close_1.jpg

razz
01-24-2007, 11:45 AM
Looks better to me :) Those brown, red colors of her hair and face look better around all the yellowiness. The piece doesn't look that much monochromatic.
Did you work on her face how Glenn suggested? Therea are some little thingies that would make it looks better. For example, I would rounden the jaw and cheek bones, because squarish stuff is not giving her a femalish feel. I'm not saying that it can't be like this, of course it can. It must be my preference again. But see this as an example: click here (http://i5.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/30/be/fa_10.JPG). See other sculptures of women. Especially those done by the old masters.
See, the face is the focus point in your image, so that's the area where you have to work more on.

Samanthie
01-24-2007, 03:14 PM
Hi Razz, thank you for your comments and also for the link. :)Yes I did work on her as Glenn suggested. Her mouth especially. I probably won't change the shape of her face too much but instead soften the lines around her jaw and chin. That should help with those angles a bit I think.

NR43
01-24-2007, 03:46 PM
I think the mouth is really beautiful now
I agree with the others that the cheek bone is a bit too "corner-ish" though

Samanthie
01-25-2007, 12:12 AM
Thank you Johan, I'm glad you like the mouth. :) I will work on the cheek area that both you and Razz have pointed out. I think that what I need to do is go back to the image before I added the highlight on the left of her face and begin again from there. I will post an update soon.

Rebeccak
01-25-2007, 12:19 AM
Hi Samanthie,

Hope you don't mind if I offer a few crits on this really pretty piece. :) I think that the lighting / modeling of the form is reading a little bit flat, since the values are so high key, you are missing the full range of values necessary to really get the form to read. Check what your image looks like in grayscale mode on occasion to see how the values are reading. Another part which might be adjusted slightly is the neck, which seems just slightly scooped out / hollow - you really want all curves of organic form to be convex, vs. concave, eg, with the roundness of the curve pointing outward instead of in. I suggest adding just a bit more space to the top of her head / perhaps give her more hair so that her eyes rest at about the middle of the face. Finally I recommend checking the tilt / axis of the shoulders to see if they feel right / align more comfortably and a bit straighter.

I hope these crits help and don't feel like nitpicking - I'm really glad to see you back posting here and always enjoy your work. :)

Samanthie
01-25-2007, 12:39 AM
Hi Rebecca!:) Thank you so much for stopping by and I would never think you were nitpicking. You've given me some things to work on that I hadn't even thought of. Can't wait to get going on them. I hope to post an update tomorrow. :)

Zephyri
01-25-2007, 01:27 AM
ooh, this piece is something a bit different. Your lightsources, from what i recall of your work from the journey begins are always a little magical, and this is no exception. The face is lovely, even with the stronger jawline, which I actually like a lot. I thik just adding a few key shadows will help, or pushing them a bit darker, at any rate, along the lines of the nose, in the nostrils, where the hair hides behind her ears (which she seems to be missing? Even with long hair the lobes would be a bit visible). Especially as you have such black lines in the eyes, it makes them pop perhaps a little too much. But overall, I really like the piece, it's soft and femine but yet strong. Lovely.

Samanthie
01-25-2007, 07:51 PM
Rebecca, I have worked on the tones in color and grascale, adjusted and redid the neck area. I puffed up her hair on top to help with her facial features. I did work on the grayscale image that I wish I had done on the color version so I'll work on that later. I hope the image has improved but please let me know. Your suggestions are always so helpful.:)

Sam, I had to laugh at the 'missing lobes'. I did have a lobe on her right but painted over it when I did the hair.lol I have worked on the ears but only on the grayscale version so I'll add those to the color version as well. Thanks again for stopping by and for your wonderful comments.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel_3.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/angel_gray.jpg

Rebeccak
01-25-2007, 08:59 PM
Hi Samanthie,

I think this looks much better! :) I think the main thing I might suggest tweaking is the axis of the collarbones in relation to the sternum - as a test, draw just straight lines on a new layer above your painting layers to represent the general direction of the clavicles and sternum - the clavicles should be roughly perpendicular to the sternum, but raised slightly at the outer edges as you have them, a little like this (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/OFDW%20020/Demo-1_04.jpg). Right now the angle seems to be a bit off - also, the way her hair is surrounding her right shoulder is making it look larger and differently shaped than the left - so I might recommend tweaking that as well. :) As an experiment, try playing with the levels of your grayscale image to see how much darker you can go while still getting the appearance of light skin. The darkest gray you currently have in your image is a mid gray, and so all of your other values are lighter than that, which still gives the image the impression of being a little bit washed out. That may be the effect that you want since she seems to be glowing, but I would recommend not having an overall light effect to the image, but using your values to selectively draw attention to the most important areas of the painting.

I'm glad you're so open to suggestions and I really hope that this helps - as always, these are just subjective opinions, and others may have totally different advice. :)

Cheers!

SpiritDreamer
01-26-2007, 04:35 AM
Hi..Samanthie..:)

I was just thinking that if you were to not bring the lightest light to the very edge of her face, on the left side of the painting,...but have that edge rounded with a value change, that leaves the lightest areas inside the edge a little..not right to the edge...will creat the illussion of roundness and softness on that side of her face, and will take away any flatness in that area...Just a thought...think she is coming along nicely..and looking forwad to seeing her pushed to the level of that OFDW PIECE that you did the tutorial on awhile back:thumbsup: ...Bet you thought that I forgot about that one hey....:scream: never...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Zephyri
01-26-2007, 04:41 AM
Loving the clothing design, that's absolutely gorgeous.

NR43
01-26-2007, 05:14 AM
I have worked on the ears but only on the grayscale version so I'll add those to the color version as well.


Do you mean you have 2 different version of this?
Are you working in Photoshop or maybe Painter? If you are, you coud just work on the greyscale image and then add a layer in color mode to add color to it. Might be a lot less work than having to copy paste from one version to another constantly...
Not sure if that's how you work but I thought it was worth to mention

The painting itself is becoming really nice and I'm really looking forward to see how this turns out. Keep going please :)

Samanthie
01-26-2007, 03:50 PM
Hi Rebecca, Thanks for the demo image it will help alot I think.:) I'll get that right shoulder tweaked too. I played with the levels and I'll see if I can get a bit darker with my shading. I appreciate your taking the time to comment on my work Rebecca.:)

Hi Glenn, Thanks for your comments. I definately will work on that cheek area. I'm curious now to see how that will look.:)
As for bringing her to the level of the OFDW piece..lol, well I'm flattered and I will certainly give it my best shot.

Hi Sam, Glad you like the clothing. It started out to be sort of a torn/burned paper effect so I'm glad it works.:)

Hi Johan,
Yes actually one is in grayscale as suggested by Rebecca, but I couldn't resist the temptation to work on it.:)I'm just using it as sort of a guide trying to repeat what I do on the color image. It's actually alot easier to see the values in grayscale.
I am working on this image in both Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro. I have Painter but am not that comfortable with it yet. I'll try what you suggested with the layer in colormode and see what I can do. Thanks very much for your comments.:)

Intervain
01-26-2007, 05:07 PM
Samanthie - there's a really nice atmosphere to this one! Love her eyes as well!

Have you tried flipping the image horizontally?! I think you'll find the lips looking a bit skewed when you do it :) it's a great way to see things you wouldn't by staring at the image for as long as you most probably already had! keep going - I look forward to seeing that one finished :bounce:

ManoVelho
01-27-2007, 03:51 AM
Nice color choice! Can't add much other than suggest a stronger fade between the shade areas to give a little more depth. (if it's nonsense please ignore, i'm a noob =])
Please keep posting =]

batte812
01-27-2007, 11:03 AM
Hi Samanthie, good work. It is really nice to see the progress of that last piece. Keep going.

Samanthie
01-28-2007, 04:13 AM
Here is another update.

Rebecca, I have worked on adding darker colors and blended them to help with form/contrast. I used the levels and I can go darker still. I'm using some blues and rust colors for the deeper tones. Please let me know what you think. I worked on the clavicals, shoulders, hair and clothing.

Glenn, I worked extensively with the cheek area, I like your idea!:)

Madgalena, the new version has some work on the mouth but it may still need some more tweaking.

Batte, will do and thank you!:)

Andre, you are right that is what I needed to work on, may still need to do more.


Thanks everyone for all of your helpful advice.:) I think I am finished for tonight, I'm tired now.lol

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel4.jpg


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel4a.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel4b.jpg

ManoVelho
01-28-2007, 04:18 AM
Woa! She reminds me of children books and sunny afternoons, this piece is pretty sweet and lovely =]

Rebeccak
01-28-2007, 03:00 PM
I think you've made a lot of great improvements to the piece, and it came out looking beautifully. :) I still think the whites in the background are a bit too hot / blown out, but that may be the look you are going for. Overall great stuff and it's really a lovely picture - looking forward to more! :)

Samanthie
01-28-2007, 05:27 PM
Thank you Rebecca!:) I am glad you said that about the white bg area because I was thinking the same thing..really I was. :D I have an idea for those white areas.
I have more to do especially defining the hair and some edges.

SpiritDreamer
01-28-2007, 05:56 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:thumbsup:

Big difference along that edge of her face...really has a soft roundness to it now...the brightest light hardly ever comes all the way to the edge, unless it is on a flat surface, just a little something to keep in mind, as you work on a rounded surface..:) I think she is shaping up really beautifully now...shows in that closeup of her face...:thumbsup:
A little purple in the background, might really look nice with all of those golden yellows, and orange / copper colors...just a thought,:) ...but you know me, I always go a little crazy with the colors..:scream:
Really looking forward to see your next moves with this one..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
02-02-2007, 05:01 AM
Thanks Glenn, I have worked alot on this since the last update. I added alot of colors and purple is there too.:)

I am still in blending mode trying to decide just how much the various shapes need to blend into each other. The image has taken on a fall like quality as far as the shapes and colors so I want to keep going with that. Her right ear is not quite right yet. I am having trouble with deciding how much to blend the various shapes into each other. Still working on the hair but am almost finished with it.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel5.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_angel5a.jpg

SpiritDreamer
02-02-2007, 10:26 AM
Hi...Samanthie...:thumbsup:

It's really starting to pop now with those rich colors giving it a vibrant feel...I really like your FALL/ AUTUM concept...:applause:
As I was seeing it this morning, I was wishing that she had an arm and hand on the left side of the painting, as i'm looking at it ,..or maybe both arms and hands..coming straight out towards me, in deep forshortening, palm up, hands cupped,maybe down,..with leaves of the different colors of fall, falling from her hand...kind of in a forshortened view like Zephyri did in her selfportrait of her and the guy with the chain,.. ,except cupping, or maybe sprinkling, or dropping leaves into the fall wind..Would add to the depth of the painting, and to the concept also..maybe,...but that's just a passing thought, and something I saw while admirering it this morning..:)
All of those colors are really adding to her beauty...can't wait to see where you go with this one...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
02-02-2007, 12:57 PM
Thank you Glenn!:) Well I have debated whether to add arms or not. I'm still not sure but I like your idea so I'll see what I can come up with. I also thought about adding a few leaves in the foreground or ivy. Thanks again for all of your suggestions.:)

Samanthie
02-06-2007, 11:16 PM
This is a quick doodle inspired by 'The Book of A Hundred Hands' by George B. Bridgman. Pencil.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_oddhand.jpg

another more serious hand study...pencil

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_hands.jpg

some fingers..and a thumb.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fingas.jpg

Samanthie
02-06-2007, 11:21 PM
a couple of head studies I did this morning...Painter and tablet.

DÜRER, Albrecht
Head of an Angel
1506

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_hstudy3.jpg

LEONARDO da Vinci
Head of a Warrior ('The Red Head')
1504-05

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_hstudy.jpg

Cyanid
02-07-2007, 07:17 AM
nice studies! good work here, I like the expressian of the warrior!
and that angel is awesome of course. Maybe a bit monochrome, but I like it very much
I'll keep an eye on this thread.

NR43
02-07-2007, 03:42 PM
hey

I'm gonna pass on the message my teacher gave me the other day at school to you...

He said: All that is white in a drawing is flat.
if you'd take these last master studies a bit further they would pop out of the canvas just like that.

Really love the painting... lot's of interesting things there!
one thing that occured to me is that it seems as if she has no legs (not sure if this was said earlier in the thread, if it was pls ignore)

Samanthie
02-08-2007, 12:49 AM
Hi Johan, lol..you noticed she has no legs. She is sort of like growing out of the ground. I had something entirely different in mind for this and I may go back a few stages and begin from there. I wasn't going to add arms or legs but I am not finished yet so I may.:)

The head studies were just really quick ones to see how the pencil works in Painter. I may shade them in sometime. Thanks for the tip too..really because I am always trying to leave a bit of white even in my more serious sketches. It's something left over from my watercolor classes and it's a hard habit to break.

Samanthie
02-11-2007, 04:24 AM
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_heads1.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_heads.jpg

Here are my reference models for these faces.:) I use them as a guide for shape,shading and details. My drawings look nothing like them..which is what I want but I know some of the facial features are off.
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/myreferences.jpg

SpiritDreamer
02-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Hi....Samanthie....:)

Where did you get those little models.../man and woman figures...those look great..I WANT SOME..:scream:
Really like your head studies...I was thinking that you might buy a chunk of that clay that they sell now in the art stores,..the kind that doesn't dry, and you can use over and over again for experimenting and practice.
With that clay, you can creat a head with face and grab the mouth, lips ect. and pull, press, stretch into any expression you want...also can do the same with the forhead and the expressive muscles between the eyes.
Would be a great and fast way to just explore and experiment with all the different aspects and combinations of facial muscles that creat the many expressions, that creat the sense of emotions that the human face is capable of.....that clay is great,..gets softer, the more you touch it, and play with it,..plus it never dries, so you can just keep changing the expressions, until you get the one your after..then you can put it into your painting or whatever....just a thought that might be of some help to you...don't know,...but you never know...:)
Always a great pleasure seeing your work...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
02-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Hi Glenn, thank you.:) I got these models at the local art store but you can get them at several online art stores. Here's one..http://www.dickblick.com/zz216/00/.
I find you have to be careful when posing the arms and also watch the arm and leg lengths. The joint they use for the arms and legs to make them bend further makes the length of the limbs too long, but it can be corrected in the drawing.

I havent heard of that particular clay but I use to use super sculpey alot. You know the stuff you can create and then bake.:) I made magnets for the fridge and some dolls to sell to relatives. I got the kids making things with it too.

Zephyri
02-12-2007, 05:12 AM
Hey Debbie! Nice to see that painting of the angelic woman finished, it turned out very nicely indeed! And the head studies are looking pretty good too, both from the masters thread and the dolls (though is it me, or is the female doll's head big in comparison to her waist size? ) Really like the wooshy hair on the bottom female-looking head, and the shading on the male side profile is a nice start, I'd like to see you go further with it and push the darks a bit more.

Samanthie
02-12-2007, 06:33 AM
Hi Sam, thank you! I'm glad you like the angel. I haven't decided yet if it's finished or not but I think it's best for me to move on a bit and return to it later. Thanks also for your comments on the male head sketch. I have been trying to come up with an idea for him.

I think you are right about the female model. These models have really nice details on the ears, lips and nose.

Samanthie
02-15-2007, 02:09 AM
Just laying on some color, hair, lights and darks. I wanted to post what I have so far. :)
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/man2.jpg

anandpg
02-15-2007, 02:35 AM
Hi Debbie! really enjoyed going through your thread!.... you have some really sweet stuff here...! keep them coming!!:bounce:

behindfaces
02-15-2007, 08:48 PM
very good drawings

keeppp up

SpiritDreamer
02-25-2007, 02:35 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:thumbsup:

Just stopping by to say Hi mostly, and to see what you've been up to..where is your OFDW 21..:)
I like the way you are turning the drawings into paintings, as you did in that last post...great way to experiment with brush technique, lighting ect....looking forward to seeing more of those types of experiments...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-04-2007, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the comments!:)

Glenn, I didn't get an email to let me know you had posted here or I missed it, but thank you. I found it was easier for me to sketch most projects on paper than to try and sketch within my art programs using the mouse. Now that I have a tablet I can do both but I think I will always prefer to sketch in pencil first.:)

Here is an update on this guy. His personality looks like he should be wearing some flowing robes but for now he is just wearing a simple shirt.:) I worked alot on his eye and some facial. I am not sure if I have his hairline just right or the shape of his forehead, but here is what I have so far.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_man4.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_man4a.jpg

Cyanid
03-04-2007, 10:55 PM
I did a little overpaint...because its a great image!
I think it was 7 minutes work
in stead of writing crits down I just tried something. I hope you don't mind.

-did a colorbalance adjustmnet to get warmer colors (reds orange)/removed the total blacks
-added a second light tot get the focal point on his profile
-changed the crop/composition.
-did some rough background work, not really good, but it has more painterly feel.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/debbietest.jpg

Samanthie
03-04-2007, 11:04 PM
Oh my Cyanid..you made him beautiful! I'll see if I can follow what you have done. Thanks for taking the time to do that for me I don't mind at all.:) Hard to imagine doing all of that in 7 min though it may take me a little longer.:D

SpiritDreamer
03-05-2007, 02:49 AM
HEY...Samanthie..:)
I like the spotlight you put on that head study...nice copper colors..:thumbsup:
Something that works well with that effect, is to take a soft blender brush...make size of brush big, and play around wth the edge of the spotlight halo...can creat a real nice atmosphere around that head, with just that blender brush, using the colors already there, that are created by that spotlight...:)
I'm not to sure the eye can do what you have it doing , with the head in the position you have it in/profile...has the Eygptian look to it...might make the upper eyelid line darker where it touches the center of the eye, and the center of the eye,and the pupal are more of a vertical elispe in perspective, in a profile.
Also watch the line/shape where the adams apple is located, center of neck..that part of the neck, should run down to the center of the V in his shirt, and end in the center of his collar bones, the pit of the neck, which should align with the V in his shirt...just a couple of small crits, hope you don't mind, was just bugging me when I looked at him..just me...:)
As always, looking forward to seeing where you go with your creations,..REALLY LIKE what you did with that OFDW #21 FIGURE...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-05-2007, 04:03 PM
Hey Glenn, No I don't mind. Thank you for all of the input.:) I'll look at some eye references as they go along with profile and see what changes I can make there. I'm glad you liked my angel.

Samanthie
03-06-2007, 09:21 PM
I have been working on the last piece but I'm not ready to post an update for it yet. Here are a few sketches that I did a while ago.

More pen and ink. Reference used from Barbara Bradley's figure drawing book..'Drawing People'.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_pen.jpg

This is the pencil sketch that is the base for one of the images in my gallery. The image was for a contest at Renderosity. I totally changed the tail of the squirrel on the left in the final version.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_squirrel_christmas.jpg

some seashells...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_seashells.jpg

Playing in Painter..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/goofing_painter.jpg

Samanthie
03-08-2007, 09:42 PM
I worked alot on this. Thanks Bart (cyanid) for the lesson! :)

Here is the paintover that Bart did...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/debbietest.jpg



Here is my update. I tried not to copy Bart's too much but he did such a nice job and I learned something from his work.:)

Glenn, I haven't yet worked on the neck but I will. :) Not sure what to do about the eye. It looks right to me but maybe I've been looking at the image too long.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_man5.jpg

batte812
03-09-2007, 10:31 PM
Nice update, Debbie! A few remarks i still have: the iris of the eye should be a thinner ellipse, seen from this angle. Another thing is the shading in general: planes that are at te same angle towards the light should have the same value. So the forehead and the nose should have ahigher value and the lower part of the neck should be darker. It helps if you desaturate the picture too check it out. I hope this is useful. You're studying really well - and the squirls are very funny!

Samanthie
03-09-2007, 11:07 PM
Thanks Batte, I'm glad you for stopped by to see the update. I'll work more on the iris and the values. Glenn also suggested that I work on the eye so I will 'see' what I can do.:)
I'm glad you like the squirrels.

Samanthie
03-10-2007, 05:46 PM
Ok..here is another update. I have worked on the iris and the neck and some very minor details. I hope it has improved. I also gave the neck more of a natural appearance in the back, less stiff now I think.
Thanks for all of the input on this image so far.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_man6.jpg

Womball
03-10-2007, 07:48 PM
I'm really impressed by those pen sketches! Very clean and calculated lines!

SpiritDreamer
03-10-2007, 09:56 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:)
I did a little playing around with your painting...hope you don't mind.
Just hit it with a soft blender brush...messed around with the jaw, chin, and lips mostly...then hit it with a couple of tints, colored spotlights, then blended again a little...hope it is of some help to you.
Really like that you created this from imagination to start with. Great way to learn . Refferences are also great to use too, but I think you already are aware of that..:scream: :)
Really am enjoying seeing you overcome each problem that comes your way..FANTASTIC PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/SAMANTHIE_HEAD_STUDY_5.jpg

Samanthie
03-10-2007, 10:33 PM
Nathan, Thank you I'm glad you like the pen drawings.:) I hardly ever use pen and ink because I can't stand not being able to erase mistakes.:D


Hey Glenn, Thanks so much for the paintover. He looks great! I will do a few more things to the image and I'm sure your paintover will help. I did have a reference.. I used the gray man model for the pencil sketch. It was a challenge making him better looking though.lol I love what you did with the background for this too..very nice. :thumbsup:

Dreamy Kid
03-10-2007, 10:36 PM
it's coming along nicely samanthie, cannot wait to see the final:)

Samanthie
03-10-2007, 10:56 PM
Thank you Devin.:)


I did some practice sketching last night from some of the Andrew Loomis book 'Drawing the Head and Hands' http://www.fineart.sk/ There are some nice eye studies there too.

Mine doesn't look very much like the guy in the Loomis sketch. http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis.jpg

NR43
03-11-2007, 07:17 AM
Hi Samanthie

it's great to see you are working on your portraying skills.
About the likeness on the last one... my art teacher, who is a smart man, says likeness often happens accidently... it shouldn't be our main concern... it's the expression that counts... if the expression you want to show is there, the likeness will come naturally

keep at it!

Samanthie
03-11-2007, 04:34 PM
Thank you Johan! That is very good advice. I am planning to work on some more studies today. :)

Rebeccak
03-11-2007, 10:25 PM
Hi Samanthie,

Good to see you practicing Loomis, that's something I ought to do as well. Keep up the good work! :)

Samanthie
03-14-2007, 10:55 PM
Thank you Rebecca, I really have had alot of fun with the Loomis studies. I think I got a little obsessed with Loomis' style so here are quite a few more. :)

head studies..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_hs.jpg

pen and ink...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_hs1.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_hs3.jpg

I did this one really fast..probably not even an hour and it shows.lol Somehow though there is an expression that I like so I wanted to work with it some more.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis1.jpg

Samanthie
03-14-2007, 10:58 PM
...so I worked on it some more...At this point I am still working fast in Paint Shop Pro9. Blending and darking the hair, face, eyes..etc. The pencil textures will be blended away for this image.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip.jpg

more blending..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip1.jpg

more blending needed around hair.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip2.jpg

some fun with color and duplicated layer set to overlay. Still not finished with this one and I will most likely finish it in grayscale.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip3.jpg

Samanthie
03-14-2007, 11:02 PM
I decided to sketch the same one again..only I took my time with it.


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_hs2.jpg

just a couple of more..
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_side.jpg

last one.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_loomis_baby.jpg

NR43
03-15-2007, 06:38 AM
The 3/4 shows you've may have skipped the construction of the head or at least you went over to the next phase too quickly. Anyway, it's good practice but I would suggest to do the construction with at least as much care as the detailing and shading, because everything after the construction is built upon it.


The woman's profile and the child in the last post look amazingly wonderful!
Good to see you are working hard Samanthie

SpiritDreamer
03-15-2007, 11:01 AM
Hi...Samanthie...:)

BEAUTIFUL set of studies.....:applause: :thumbsup:
I like the way you are getting that accent line in the corers of the mouth on the last few...very important line of expression...can make or break a drawing...:)
A real pleasure seeing these last few...A BIG LEAP FORWARD I THINK...:bounce: :thumbsup: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-15-2007, 02:17 PM
Thank you Johan, Yes you are right and I tend to want to get to the fun part too quickly. I will definately work on that. Glad you like the profile and the baby.:)

Thank you Glenn, I have gotten very fond of Loomis. I'm going to see what else I can find to practice with today. :)You noticed I've been working on that 'accent line' of the mouth. I've been really trying to study those areas more closely. I've got to work more on expression...sounds like I've got another study to do.:D

batte812
03-17-2007, 11:54 PM
Very nice studies, Debbie! But, as Johan already pointed out, you should take more care to construct the heads. The expressions in the faces look very interesting. Keep going!

Samanthie
03-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Hi Bart and thanks! I have been working on that and plan to do some more today. Here are a few more studies.

More Loomis practice with pen and ink..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Loomis_a.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Loomis_b.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Loomis_c.jpg

Samanthie
03-21-2007, 03:26 PM
head study..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Loomis_d.jpg

a bit of fun..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Loomis_e.jpg

Intervain
03-21-2007, 04:47 PM
really nice studies Debbie! Keep 'em coming :thumbsup:

Samanthie
03-22-2007, 01:58 AM
Thank you Magdalena!:)

SpiritDreamer
03-22-2007, 12:23 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:)

Nice pen studies, and portrait..:thumbsup: ...you might start doing a detailed study of the areas that you find to be the hardest,the areas that you find yourself always shying away from...nose, ears ect...best way to advance..
I hope you have not gotten discouraged with that Z BRUSH program that you just downloaded...I know that when I first got it, I just threw my hands up in the air, and said... NO WAY.. AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO EVEN FIGURE THIS PROGRAM OUT..:eek: ....Lucky for me, there was a MR MU, Siju, Anand, and many others out there who were able and more importantly willing to give me a helping hand, to get the hang of it,...A LITTLE BIT ANYWAY....:scream: ..I still have only scratched the surface of that program,...but would not have even gotten that far, if it were not for and with thier HELP..
If you go back in my anatomy/sketchbook thread..it began on page #17,you will be able to see a study progression of my understanding of that program, and will find all of the advises and help from all the people, that has been given to me, concerning that program, all the way up to the present time...
Thier advices and help that they gave, and are giving me might be useful to you in some way, as you start to explore this program..:shrug:
Anyway, ..wating to see your first explorations, and experiments in that Z BRUSH PROGRAM,...Don't wait tell you have something great to show,...put what you have done, mistakes and all, out here, so that people will be able to help you, as they have helped , and are helping me understand, and master that rather hard program...:)
Just a mild suggesstion from me...:scream: :eek: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-22-2007, 03:17 PM
Hi Glenn, I will be exploring that thread today, and thank you! :) On my sketches I am working on all of those details you mentioned. Noses are particularly difficult from the 3/4 view and that is where I have the toughest time of it. My pencils have shrunk down to nearly nothing so I must get some more so I can keep sketching and I'll try to remember to get those conte pencils too.:D Thanks for all the support Glenn.:)

Samanthie
03-22-2007, 11:25 PM
Hey Glenn, this is just for you.hehe I was so inspired by your first zbrush dragon I decided to try one too. Also I must thank MR Mu for all of those helpful posts in your thread.:) I began with the sphere, used the smudge, snake hook and the other hook and probably tried out every single brush. Loads of fun. Here is the Sea Dragon..looking out into a vast gray sea.:D

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/seadragon1_zbrush.jpg

SpiritDreamer
03-23-2007, 12:55 AM
HEY...Samanthie...:bounce: :)

Not sure if you have figured out how to spin that sphere yet...so I will tell you, just in case...For making a human face,...Select the sphere, then press T on your keyboard..this allows you to spin it, so you can work on it from all the different angles...press..Z on your keyboard...creates symetry...so say if you creat one eye, it is created at the same time on the other side of the face. I get the sphere in a position when it is in the symetry mode,..where I can just pull the nose out of the sphere, by making those two red dots line up together on the sphere...you will have to spin the sphere around , until you can get them to line up that way,..if you don't line them up like that, you will have a nose appear on the other side of the sphere..:scream:
Once you have your nose pulled out from the sphere, then you can go and do the eye sockets, lips, chin, forhead,..then spin the sphere around to where you are viewing it from the backside, set your brush size to very large, and creat the skull...always moving the sphere around, as you work on it...the idea is to work on it as you would a sculpture...as a whole form..continueously moving from here to there...save the details for last....use the facets to creat the different planes of the face, the more planes you can get, the better it will look when you sub devide it, and make it smooth....THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH INFO TO GET YOU STARTED IN A 3D HEAD..:)
I think I ran into a problem, where the trial version won't let you save the head as a 3d tool, which is vey frustrating, because you have to get it done all in one shot...The regular version that I finally bought, allows you to save the head as a 3d tool, and be able to come back to it later and work on it further.
A couple of other things...at the top of the screen,...where it says PREFERENCE...select that...#6 down on the menu that comes up..MEMORY....PRESS THAT...Slide those bars all the way to the right...this allows you a whole bunch of undoes..:)
If you press RENDER AT TOP OF SCREEN...then select BEST, AND SHADOWon that menu, it will drop cast shadows on the object that you are working on..:) ...also you should try out the LIGHT setting on the top of the screen...lots of fun.
I hope this has not confused you too much...just trying to make it a little easir for you to do a 3D head, which I think you will have a lot of fun doing..once you get the hang of it..:)
Also...at the very top of the screen, there is a ? ....press that, and when you hover over things on the menu, a discrition of what you are overing over will appear, telling you how and what the thing you are about to select works ect.....very useful..
You can also export your image into your other program...painter or photoshop...up WHERE IT SAYS DOCUMENT..So you can play with it further in there if you want to.
ANYWAY, JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT..:thumbsup:
I really like your first experiment by the way..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-23-2007, 02:59 AM
Wow Glenn, thank you for all of this information. I have never modeled a human head. I do 3d modeling in Hexagon which I love, but nothing organic. I can't wait to see what else I can do with Zbrush! Thanks for taking the time to help.:) Maybe with some of your info I can improve my sea dragon as well. It's turning out to be a fun software for me.

NR43
03-23-2007, 06:24 AM
Hey Debbie


love your latest loomis work
The sea dragon is looks amazing I think
Looks like we'll be treated with another z-brush talent here :D
Can't wait to see more!

razz
03-23-2007, 11:48 AM
Getting into 3d, mm? Loads of fun, I agree. Can't help anything with Zbrush though, don't know much about it myself. Aah, I see more 3d work on this forum and I want to do something in 3d myself. We'll see...You've got there a nice looking dragon, you know. Planning to work more on it?
By the way, those Loomis studies are looking good, keep up with them :)

Samanthie
03-23-2007, 04:50 PM
Hi Johan, thank you that's a great compliment! I hope to do more in Zbrush before my 30 day trial is up.:D


Hi Razz, thank you! Zbrush is totally different from anything else I've tried in 3d. Try out the demo and see how you like it.:) I plan on doing more with the dragon and hopefully if I don't wreck it I'll post an update.:D I'm glad you like the latest Loomis. I have some more sketches to work on maybe tonight.

Asatira
03-23-2007, 11:00 PM
I really like your progress with the Loomis studies.

Samanthie
03-25-2007, 02:07 AM
Thank you Asatira, I've really enjoyed sketching them. :)

Samanthie
03-26-2007, 12:19 AM
Well..here is my first finished face. Loads of errors I'm sure, I didn't use reference, just sculpted. He is really in a bad mood I think.lol Thank you Glenn for all of your advice and also to Magdalena for the information posted in her thread. I found zbrush to be really fun and relaxing. :)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_zbrushface.jpg

Intervain
03-26-2007, 12:28 AM
Well..here is my first finished face. Loads of errors I'm sure, I didn't use reference, just sculpted. He is really in a bad mood I think.lol Thank you Glenn for all of your advice and also to Magdalena for the information posted in her thread. I found zbrush to be really fun and relaxing. :)



well a pleasure I'm sure, glad my scarce knowledge in zbrush was of any use :) I must say you have to be the first person starting with zbrush who finds it relaxing LOL I wanted to throw my computer out of the window ;) - it's the most non-intuitive software ever created! I think they've done that on purpose LOL ... mudbox doesn't require any learning - other than a few hotkeys - while zbrush is a philosophy of it's own ;)

I suggest for 3d to always use refs - especially for faces because they're damn hard... Your's really good for first time - you could go on sculpting it further with more refs! WOuld be nice to see it develop and change :)

SpiritDreamer
03-26-2007, 01:29 AM
Hi...Samanthie..:)

Glad to hear that you were relaxed enough to have had fun and enjoy your first journy into the unexplored and the unknown...Important elements that make the trip worth taking, and keep it exciting...:thumbsup: :)
A fun thing that I found, while playing wuth the sculpting tool that you used to make your head, is that if you slide the draw size slider way far to the right, you can stretch the face out towards you, and make all kinds of expressions...when that brush is real big, touch it to the nose,lips, between the eyes, forhead, chin ect. and see what happens...lots of fun, and full of surprises...:scream:
Glad that I was of some help...don't know how much, but I quess any is always better than none...:scream: :)
I think the most important part is to really get all of the planes established before you sub devide.. which it looks like you have..:thumbsup:
Can't wait to see your next adventure...you'll learn something new with each one you take...and that's what it is all about...:bounce:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
03-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Thank you Magdalena, you made me laugh.:) I guess I found zbrush relaxing because I just basically got to paint. I work with Hexagon alot and it's my favorite but my organic forms are terrible. I'll post something I did in hex a little later.

Thanks Glenn, I did try out that brush yesterday. I guess I can't export anything with the demo. I'll have to play with this some more to see if I really want it. I still have so much more to learn in Painter.:)

Samanthie
03-27-2007, 06:19 PM
Here is one I did today. About an 2 hr in zbrush. I am learning alot about what is possible with the brushes. The hardest parts for me are the ears and eyes but I think I am improving a little.:) Reference used is from one of my Loomis studies. I think the eyes are a bit low. Hair is also going to be a learning curve.;)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/boy3.jpg

batte812
03-27-2007, 06:45 PM
Hi Debbie, nice Z-brushing! I agree with Intervain that Z-brush is very non-intuitive. I tried it myself to refine my 3D Studio modells - i should pick it up again some day. I never used it to paint or to texture my models (never figured out how to export textures).
Did you use the symmetry tool? It saves more than half of the work, and in the end you can turn it off to make an assymmetric expression.
Anyway, enjoy yourself!

Samanthie
03-28-2007, 05:41 AM
Hi Bart, thank you!:) Yes I did begin with the symmetry and then switched. I'll practice some more with it in the next few days. I agree about the brushes. I wish there were a few more brushes to experiment with.

anandpg
03-28-2007, 11:13 AM
Hey Debbie! Great to see you experimenting on ZBrush! more! more!:bounce:

Samanthie
04-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Thanks Anand, I will try to get in a couple more experiments with Zbrush before my trial is up.:)

More Loomis studies which I think have helped. I didn't finish the lower right eye as far as adding lashes..worried I'd mess up. I always get nervous when it comes to adding lashes and prefer to do them digitally.:D



http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lips_and_noses.jpg

on my own..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_lady4.jpg

still more to do with this one...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_boy.jpg

Samanthie
04-08-2007, 03:36 PM
Something I am working on...I also sketched a body for her but it doesn't fit her personality. I will have to work on more sketches. I needed to do something different.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_elf.jpg

coloring version 1...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_elf1.jpg

coloring version 2...


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_elf2.jpg

killermachine
04-09-2007, 07:45 AM
waiting for this new piece to finish and its really cool to see that you got hang of organic so easily in a software that most of people don find easy.keep up that good work

kary
04-09-2007, 04:05 PM
I prefer version two, soft and ephemeral that works better for it imo :). Nice thread in general, it's great to see you pushing out a lot of content. Seems like the studies are coming along very quickly, the one on the left of this (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Samanthie_/dlo_Loomis_a.jpg) one is really nice -- very much capturing the three dimensions and has a bit of gesture to it :)

Samanthie
04-09-2007, 10:39 PM
Amrinder, Thank you! I did a bit more with Zbrush this morning. I am finding that the hook brush can do alot more than the obvious. It's a great tool for adjusting and smoothing when set to a larger size using subtle movements. I'll post another Zbrush image soon.


Thank you Kary.:) I just love Loomis. I will be doing more of them and some gestures too. I'm glad you like the second elf coloring best and thanks, that's the one I was leaning toward but wasn't sure.

Intervain
04-09-2007, 10:41 PM
awww she's so cute!!! love those eyes :bounce:

anandpg
04-10-2007, 07:16 AM
Hi Debbie!! the elf girl is really sweeeet!:)

Samanthie
04-10-2007, 02:31 PM
Thank you Anand! I am going to try and do some body sketches for her today.:)

NR43
04-10-2007, 03:31 PM
Hey Debbie
thanks for the kind words in my thread.

Your thread opened up with the last painting on my screen and I knew right away it was your thread I was looking at and not one of the other 10 tabs I have open in my browser.
It means you have a style which is recognizable... and that's a really good thing ;)
(I'm jealous now hehe)

Samanthie
04-10-2007, 08:41 PM
That's sweet Johan, thanks alot.:)

Samanthie
04-15-2007, 05:12 AM
I have been working on sketches on a body for her..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_elf2.jpg

this is the idea I had...the limbs are not correct yet but the idea is there.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita.jpg

playing with ideas..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita1.jpg

trying ideas for the outfit, placement of arms and hands.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita2.jpg

working on skirt separately..This cloth is just one of my husband's shirts laid out on the floor with a few added folds...looks like a skirt.lol

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita4.jpg

this will detail the back of the outfit..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita3.jpg

This part is what I am thinking will be for the sleeves...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita5.jpg

*edit..I think I may have a different idea for the legs...back to my sketchbook.:)

SpiritDreamer
04-15-2007, 04:31 PM
Hi...Samanthie...:thumbsup:

I was going to comment on the leg, but I see you are going back to the drawing board...:scream: ...I was going to suggest putting the thigh above and on top of the lower leg..:)
I like the feel and gesture of this piece so far...REALLY looking forward to seeing where you go with it...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

theflash
04-15-2007, 05:01 PM
I really like your clothing studies and am really liking the mood of your piece. Best wishes, I hope it turn out great :)

minminxu
04-15-2007, 05:17 PM
Samanthie.... your sketches are nice .....especially that fairy.....en en ...I think it is very well drawn.....I hope you will soon finished it......keep it up........:bounce: :bounce:

Rist
04-15-2007, 05:33 PM
Some lovely WIP's you have here. Your graceful sketching makes my rough use with a pencil ogre'ish.

Samanthie
04-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Hey Glenn, Thanks tons! :) I think I see what you mean and it would look better, I'll try it. Got to work on the hands too.

Hi MIn! I'm so glad you stopped by my thread. :)Thank you and I hope to finish the piece before too long.

Hi Maulik, and thank you! I've worked hard on cloth so your comment means alot.:)

Thank you Andrew! I like the look of bolder sketchwork like you have done in your thread. Your sketches are really coming along nicely. For my sketches I just prefer to use hb and 2b pencils. Once in awhile I will go to 3b.

batte812
04-15-2007, 10:31 PM
Hi Debbie, great work on the fairy. A few suggestions: the pose of the leg seems a bit unnatural (as Glenn already mentioned - and you're working on it). You might want to put the left shoulder a bit higher and more to the front. And if you give a bit of an S-curve to the spine... These are just a few suggestions, i hope they're helpful. Keep going!

Samanthie
04-16-2007, 03:57 PM
Hi Bart, thank you! Good suggestions and I will work on those. That leg is giving me fits. I know what I want it to do but it isn't translating very well. I think repositioning the legs is best and it's what I am working on. I'll post another update soon.:)


Thanks for the feedback everyone, it's very helpful!

ha-dou-ken
04-16-2007, 04:49 PM
Hi Debbie, that fairy is coming along nicely. Very different look than your usual textbook fairy. I like it.:thumbsup: Clothing is hard too, congrats on your successful endeavors. I hope to see more.

Samanthie
04-19-2007, 10:47 PM
Here are a few updates. The legs have been repositioned. Thanks Glenn, I like it much better now. Thanks everyone for your crits, I appreciate them.:)

This character is a bit like Pan who had the flute. My character will have a flute also.
This first image just shows mainly the repositioning of the legs. I had reached a point with this character that I had to use a reference to get the positioning of the legs.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita6.jpg

Here I have put the clothing sketches together to form the outfit. Smoothing the dress around the character. The right hand is redone. More work on legs as well...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita7.jpg

The dress is colored and I am starting to blend some of the folds..Some work on shaping the arm.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita8.jpg

I'm deciding on a background color...A little work on the eyes which I'm not sure works or not, but I can go back if needed. Also I will be bringing her hair to the forefront more as the bg color has covered some of it. I know I have much more to do and the arm isn't quite right yet.

Bart I worked on the shoulders using the dress. Tried to give more of an s curve to the spine but eventually I think the dress covered most of my changes.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita9.jpg

more smoothing of the dress folds and fur added to legs. I guess at some point I will add small horns to her head. Thanks for looking!:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita10.jpg

Womball
04-19-2007, 10:49 PM
This is looking great! The only flaw I see is the foreshortened leg seems to be lacking some volume. Perhaps it needs some darker shadows?

Samanthie
04-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Thank you Nathan, yes I agree, I will work on making more definition on that leg.:)

Samanthie
04-21-2007, 02:08 AM
I worked on some plants last night in color pencil. My own photo references used. The trees are just imaginary and they are from an older sketch. I will be reworking them so they have roots and blend into the background. I also plan to add some sort of ivy on the ground or at least more plants. Not sure if I like the flowers in the image or not yet. I worked on the elf more to bring back some of the original expression and define the hair more. That's all I have done with her with this update.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_plants.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_treestop.jpg

Playing with plants, smoothing and blending, some coloring.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita11.jpg

Color overlay added, just playing with light and shadows.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita12.jpg

maritok
04-21-2007, 08:42 PM
This is coming along very nicely. I am really enjoying seeing how you set everything up and the way it keeps gaining mood. Looking forward to more :).

Samanthie
05-01-2007, 06:11 PM
Here is an update. Working in b&w this week. I worked on the outfit and added the flute. Also worked on her hands, face, eyes and a little on her hair. Lots more to do and I know the left hand and fingers are off, but I wanted to post what I have so far. :) I want to give her some jewelry and do more with the dress like add a soft floral pattern, maybe some beads too.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita13.jpg

closeup...the actual image is quite a bit larger

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita14.jpg

SpiritDreamer
05-02-2007, 09:25 AM
Hi...Samanthie...:)

I really like that face...FANTASTIC JOB THERE...:applause: :thumbsup:
One thing that bothers me on her leg that is on top, is where the lower leg ties into the thigh, where the line goes under her hand...makes it seem as though her lower leg cuts into the back of her knee too much, not leaving room for her knee joint...maybe that far thigh should be the same lenght as the thigh that is closest to the viewer...just nitpicking at this stage..:) ...Be sure to get the shadows right under her and that beautiful cloth, so she is firmly grounded, and not floating.
I think you have a great piece going on here by the way...:bounce:
Can't wait to see the level that you take it too next..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Intervain
05-02-2007, 11:04 AM
oooh she's sort of turning from cute to rather fierce looking... I love the plant drawing! The tree is truly impressive, old school illustration style - more :bounce:

Samanthie
05-02-2007, 11:16 AM
Hi Glenn, thank you for all of your comments, very helpful!:) I will work on all of those areas you mentioned. I'm glad you like her face. I love to paint them.

Samanthie
05-02-2007, 12:22 PM
Hi Magdalena, thank you!:) I'm glad you like the plantlife. The trees are from imagination and the plants are referenced from some of the plants growing around my Grandmother's home. There are just so many different kinds of plants there and especially vines. It's great for inspiration.

NR43
05-02-2007, 05:25 PM
Hey wow Debbie you've been putting a lot in this Painting I see.
It surely pays off to take your time doesn't it (some good advise our friend Glenn once taught me)

i agree that some shadows on the ground will bring this piece up another level.
Looking forward to see the next stages!

Samanthie
05-03-2007, 04:42 PM
Thank you Johan! You're right it's best not to get in a hurry with these things.:)
I've been working on the ground area and sketching more plants to add, will post an update soon.

theflash
05-04-2007, 10:08 PM
It;s coming along really nice, I like your plant and tree drawings.

Hey between I saw your finished works and I was wondering what kind of brush are you using in photoshop because the feel of the painting seems traditiona media. I love near the window one the most. Keep it up Debbie :)

Samanthie
05-04-2007, 11:18 PM
Hi Maulik! Thank you for your comments.:) I use the native brushes in Photoshop and a texture brush that I got right here at CGtalk..http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=166&t=227727 I have a set of brushes I got from the Painter forum here as well. I'm working with Rob's brushes in Painter. I also use the rather underated smudge tool..can't help it I like it:D. I use it to blend the colors along with the texture brush and can get some nice painterly effects. My 'Near the Window' image was a fun experiment with layers and effects. I'm glad you liked it.

theflash
05-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Hi Debbie, thanks for the info. It's just amazing how digital medium can achieve effects which look non-digital. I am soon going to start with digital painting so I will also try experimenting with those brushes. Thanks :)

batte812
05-17-2007, 09:38 AM
Hi Debbie, it's really coming together nicely. It's interesting to see you adding all the details and stuff. I think the colors are a bit too saturated here and there. Also the tree on the right is a bit flat: it shows in the b/w version. You should ad some more value changes to give it more depth. Keep going!

Samanthie
05-17-2007, 10:40 PM
Maulik, you are very welcome.:)


Hi Bart, thank you for the feedback, very helpful. :) I did do some work on the tree though have alot more to do to both of them. The colors are just not quite what I want yet.


Update..added some grass(still needs shading)and will be adding in some flowers and butterflies. I am still not sure if her outfit suits her so I may change it. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. :)


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita15.jpg

Rebeccak
05-17-2007, 10:41 PM
Wow, this is really developing beautifully! Really nice work! :)

Samanthie
05-18-2007, 03:05 AM
Thank you so much Rebecca!:) I'll be checking your thread on going from grayscale to color before too long. I want to do something different with this than the original color scheme. I'm glad you stopped by.

NR43
05-18-2007, 05:29 AM
Coming along nicely I see
The grass makes her fit in the scene a lot better. The only thing that bothers me a bit is that the grass keeps pulling my eyes towards it, away from the face. So be careful about adding too much detail in that area. I think blurring the grass just a bit would give you a nice foreground + middle + background division. Keeping the focus on the middle area will make this piece excellent artwork

SpiritDreamer
05-18-2007, 01:57 PM
Hi....Samanthie...:)
GRAT JOB on this piece so far...:thumbsup:
As Johan mentioned, you may want to cast a subtle shadow over the bottom section of grass....A part of the piece that has been bothering me, is where that tree root or base comes right up to her shoulder on the right side of the painting....Maybe a dark shadow on that side, will really bring her out, and seperate her from the background, adding a greater sense of depth, mystery ect....kind of like eleminating the unecentual with shadow, and illuminating the ecentual with light kind of thing.
Anyway, these are just suggestions that might help you some as you get further along with this painting...You might study just the lighting in Benita Winckler's / Miyagu works...She does magic with the lighting, especally in wooded areas...just a thought that might help..:)
Her thread and site are around in the CG forums..just type her name in to find her...
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ..Samanthie...REALLY looking forward to seeing the progress on this one...She came out really BEAUTIFUL by the way...:applause: :thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

anandpg
05-18-2007, 04:40 PM
OOh! Debbie!! this piece is getting on fantastically!:bounce:! She looks so sweet!!

Samanthie
05-18-2007, 07:09 PM
Hi Johan, Thank you! The grass does sort of jump out a bit doesn't it.:) I'll work on that area and do some blurring as you pointed out.

Hey Glenn, thanks so much! :) I see what you mean by the branch and her shoulder. I'll fix that. Also I will do a search for works by Benita Winckler's / Miyagu works to study her lighting.
*edit..She is already in my favorites..I knew her name and her works. She does fantastic work doesn't she.

Hi Anand, thank you!! I'm glad you like her.:)

Samanthie
05-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Here is another update...

I did this sketch a couple of weeks ago. This is just an area from my Grandma's backyard. I used the leaves on the lower part of the sketch for my image. I would have used the entire piece since it was quite a bit of work but it just overwhelmed the image.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Grandmas.jpg

I have added her horns that I nearly forgot to do. Details added to the hands and some body shading. I think the added leaves at the bottom have helped break up the light color of the grass so that is isn't as distracting. I am not having alot of luck blurring the foreground so that it looks right. I may leave it alone for now. I am getting close to the coloring stage but I still have some tweaking to do first.

Thanks again for all of your comments. :)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita16.jpg

razz
05-20-2007, 09:19 PM
Oh my, how much work you're putting into this. Great attention to detail. When will you start colorising it? Just wondering what kind of color palette will you choose.

Samanthie
05-20-2007, 09:59 PM
Thank you Razz!:) I plan on beginning the coloring stage as soon as some of the minor details have been finished..mainly smoothing plantlife edges. Not exactly sure yet of my color scheme but I have enough of an idea that I can begin coloring at least with the skin tones.

Samanthie
05-21-2007, 06:01 PM
Ok..Coloring was alot harder to do than I expected but at least I have a base now. What I did was color the individual leaves a few different hues of green and slate blue. Then I colored in the grass..just loosely. I then used my original color scheme as a layer and mixed it in so to speak with the new colors. Now I have a very muted tint. I still have smoothing to do on the leaves they are a bit jagged. I will begin to bring up the colors a bit but you can begin to see what I have in mind. Oh and I still haven't painted in the butterflies. There will probably be only a couple or so of them. As always suggestions and crits are welcome.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita17.jpg

Womball
05-21-2007, 06:16 PM
I really love the base colors. Except not wild that she blends into the background right now. I think a touch of flesh color to her will make her pop, but still remain connected to the background.

Samanthie
05-22-2007, 01:31 AM
Thank you Nathan.:) I've been working on her skin tones this afternoon. I will post another update soon.

Samanthie
05-27-2007, 07:16 PM
I've been working quite a bit on this. I decided to change the foreground 'again' because I couldn't get the ivy to work right with the grass. In real life ivy chokes out grass anyway so it didn't really make sense to have all of that ivy there. So the grass has taken over for now.

I worked alot on her skin..still working, added a few more plants, worked on her dress, painted in more color on separate layers and used the opacity to blend with underlying colors. Haven't gotten to those butterflies yet. I was toying with the idea of adding some mist. Also I want to darken the area behind her so she stands out a little more. Thanks for all of your comments so far, they have been very helpful.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_wip_panita18.jpg

Samanthie
05-27-2007, 07:20 PM
a closer look..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Panita_19.jpg

SpiritDreamer
05-28-2007, 10:29 AM
Hi...Samanthie..:)

I was really liking what you had going on in frame #150...the forground was starting to have a rythum in it's design that complemented the rythums in the figure..try thinking of the entire piece in terms of abstract shapes that creat a design that has a rythum or flow to it...kind of the way a movie director makes one scene flow into the next scene, making the entire movie seamless, so it would seem..:) Do the same thing with the lighting ect....be the director, and guide and direct the viewers eye, using shape, shadow,light,.. tied togerther by rythum...RUBENS was the master of this approach to painting,...his paintings are like movies created a few hundred years before there was film, and film directors..:)
I think that a lot of atmosphere would be great for and in this piece..would really enhance the mood and magic of the subject and piece...just my personal opinion though..:)
Maybe some little flowers at the end of the flute in the grass and elswhere in the forground,for the butterflies to have a reason and perch to land upon..just a thought..:)
Keep going with this one, it's looking GREAT ..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

batte812
05-28-2007, 11:33 AM
Hi Debbie, i like the details in this piece but a few thoughts regarding the composition: i read soomewhere that our eye is drwan to the area with the highest contrast. That's why the grass destracts the attention from the center of the piece. Some leaves in the background are more saturated than the forground - it also distracts the eye. Hope this helps.

Samanthie
05-28-2007, 03:18 PM
Thank you Glenn! Lots of very helpful advice. I'll go back to the version in frame 150 and begin again on the foreground. I'll try to bring in more atmosphere too. I'm getting some new ideas now.:)

Bart, thank you! Good advice.:)Yes I see what you mean about the contrast and distracting the eye. Thanks also for pointing out the saturation of the leaves. I think too I'll remove the plant on the right o f the image.


Thanks guys!

Samanthie
05-29-2007, 08:32 PM
Here are the updates. I decided to add new leaves that I sketched with pencil and then scanned in. I placed them at the bottom foreground. Also added new grass so that it made sense with the new ivy. There is a small stream now and some fogginess that I think helps with the atmosphere. I now have at least two versions of the image that I am happy with. They are not finished yet because I still have minor very details mostly to do with the fingers, the fur on her legs and the flute. Thanks for looking and again for all of the great input.:)


I'm working in Photoshop mostly but have used quite a bit of Painter as well. I used Paint Shop Pro to paint the grass using a fairly new paint tool called Oil brush. http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Panita_20.jpg

late afternoonish..
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Panita_21.jpg

more intense and violet..
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Panita_22.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_Panita_21a.jpg

SpiritDreamer
05-29-2007, 10:00 PM
Hi...Samanthie.....:bounce: :)

Just stopping by to say....BEAUTIFUL JOB AND PAINTING...:thumbsup:
That atmosphere really gives the eye and imagination a place to rest and at the same time, roam in the mysteries of the unseen. Also ...GREAT job on the FORGROUND, AND THROUGHOUT, HAS THAT ...ONENESS NOW...you broke up the space nicely with atmosphere, light, shadow, and shapes...NICE DIRECTING...DIRECTOR...:thumbsup: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
05-30-2007, 01:30 AM
Well thank you Glenn!:) I am very happy you like it. I have another image I want to get started on but I'll finish the fine details of this one first. I have to think 'director' again..hehe.

sirielle
05-30-2007, 10:22 AM
Beautiful eyes of this heavenly creature, very nice color scheme and cloak/wings. (I've finally found your sketchbook!)

NR43
05-30-2007, 10:53 AM
Wow Debbie!

Wonderful painting!
I like the 2nd and 3rd versions best because of the more dynamic lighting.

The details are superbe!
And I agree with the others... that fab fix on that foreground!
Are you going to submit it to the gallery? I hope you will :D

Kitami
05-30-2007, 12:10 PM
I love the violet version, its beautiful!

sirielle
05-30-2007, 12:16 PM
Ooops, I have no idea where is the image I was talking about, maybe I answered to the first page of your thread thinking it was the last one... Indeed beautiful painting :) The first variant looks most natural, second is great, too, but third -while it's most colorful it's also a bit artificial. If you want to go for that scheme try to tone it down a bit to mach calmness of the first variant.

batte812
05-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Hi Debbie, great to see your progress in this painting! I like the color scheme of the third version the best, though it has too much contrast; you can't see the details in the background.

Samanthie
05-31-2007, 03:03 PM
Hi Sirielle, thank you very much for your comments.:) I'll see what I can do about toning it down a bit.

Hi Annie, thank you for stopping by my thread and for your comments. I'm glad you like her.

Hi Bart, Thank you! Yes you are right. I can bring the details up from the darkness fairly easily. I'll post an update hopefully today of the adjusted version. I am almost finished with the fine details.

Thank you all!:)

Samanthie
05-31-2007, 03:07 PM
Johan, thank you!:) I'll keep that foreground fix in mind should I ever need it again.:D I will probably enter this into the gallery once it's finished.

Amerasu
05-31-2007, 03:17 PM
What gorgeous painting and such a cute little creature too! I'm very partial to your mid-afternoon colour version rather than the one with darker violet tones but they're both lovely.

I really like your illustrative style. Everything seems so whimsical and fresh, especially the leaves. Great job on this painting!

Samanthie
05-31-2007, 03:35 PM
Hi Amerasu, thank you very much!:) I really appreciate your comment on the plantlife. I was just telling my husband last night I wasn't sure I liked them, but after what you said I guess I like them fine.:D I will probably place both the afternoon and violet version into my portfolio.

Samanthie
06-09-2007, 01:23 AM
Much thanks to everyone who helped me with this image. All of your input is reflected in the final image. I used the last version I posted (the violet one) and worked on bringing back the details lost from too much contrast. I worked on the main figure. More detail to both hands plus changes made to fingers etc. Details to dress and other fun things added to finish the piece.Lots of edgwork and smoothing where needed throughout the image. I'm calling it The Flutist.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_The_Flutist.jpg

details...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_flutist_detail4.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_flutist_detail2.jpg


The moth I used in the image is one I made for another image I did some time ago called Renew. I changed it a bit for this image.
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_flutist_detail.jpg

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_flutist_detail1.jpg

Samanthie
06-09-2007, 01:24 AM
one more closeup..

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_flutist_detail3.jpg

NR43
06-09-2007, 09:55 AM
congratz on finishing this wonderful piece Debbie :applause:

batte812
06-09-2007, 11:28 AM
Great piece of work! It really all comes together now. Amazing how sharp all those details are as well.

SpiritDreamer
06-09-2007, 11:42 AM
Hi....Samanthie..:thumbsup:

BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL ...JOB AND PAINTING...:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

That moth really adds a feeling of motion and scale to the piece ..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
06-10-2007, 12:37 AM
Thank you Johan, Bart, and Glenn!! All of you helped me with this image!:love: I learned quite alot from it.:)

sirielle
06-15-2007, 11:55 AM
Fantastic cosmic eyes :)

Samanthie
06-15-2007, 01:50 PM
Thank you Sirielle!:)

minminxu
06-15-2007, 05:13 PM
...Debbie....I am Looking forward to your next picture! ...keep at it !.... :bounce: :bounce:

Samanthie
06-18-2007, 06:19 PM
Thank you Min!!:)


Well I know I said I was finished but I worked on this much more. I am finally happy with it. I made changes based on several more comments made in the gallery thread.

Here is the final version. Among the changes made I added some dappled light to show she is in the shade.
http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/The_Flutist_Final.jpg

The larger version is in my portfolio and there are two other versions there as well. One is even smiling.:D Thanks again for all of the input!!

I had started a ninja for the character a forte night but I know I won't be able to finish it in time so I'll upload what I have here later today.

razz
06-18-2007, 06:58 PM
Great finish, Samanthie. Lots and lots of details, wow, I wouldn't have the patience for that. At least not when working on the environment surrounding the character. All the grass, leaves, just couldn't do it. Would more gladly spent all that time detailing the character, hehe.
Kudos to you for working closely on every little thing in there. I believe it was all worth it and it will show when you'll do another piece :)
Good luck!

Samanthie
06-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Thank you very much Razz! :) I understand what you are saying about doing details. I guess I am learning to be patient.lol

Samanthie
06-18-2007, 11:02 PM
This is a sort of fantasy warrior that I sketched in pencil. His proportions may need to be worked on as well as position. The armour is loosely based on celtic/medievil and my imagination.
Suggestions are welcome and thanks for looking.:) http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior.jpg

anandpg
06-19-2007, 04:26 PM
Beautiful work on the painting, Debbie!!:applause: awesome detailing and really sweet face!... I wonder if it wouldnt look better with a few shadows thrown in on the dress and the skin... that may give it a bit more depth and also a sense of where the light is coming from.

Samanthie
06-19-2007, 06:46 PM
Thank you for your comments Anand! :) I may return to this painting again at some point and play with it further but for now I really feel it is finished. The lighting is mainly coming from the front/above filtering a bit through the leaves. I tried to make the image have some sparkle as if from the reflection of light from the leaves. She has dappled shadows/light applied to her skin/dress and areas around though not very dark. I did make those shadows much darker but lost too many of the details so I went for a lighter/softer look. I like to experiment though with finished pieces so I most likely will with this one too. If I do I'll post an update. Maybe I'll even make a night time version.:D

minminxu
06-19-2007, 10:03 PM
very nice picture...Debbie...I like your design..just i think the body proportion has mistake...i feel his foot is too short...anyway...your sketch is so nice..keep it up.....:bounce: :bounce:

Samanthie
06-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Thank you Min!:) Do you mean his right foot?

minminxu
06-20-2007, 04:30 PM
Hey...Debbie....This is only my personal opinions. I hope it will help you...um um ...keep at it ....Debbie....I am Looking forward to you finish it .....:bounce: :bounce:

http://botu.bokee.com/photodata1/2007-6-21/012/128/366/8916562/8916562.jpg

Samanthie
06-20-2007, 09:52 PM
Thank you for the illustration Min! :thumbsup: I can see his position much better now. I was going to work on this today but will try this evening. I hope to make him much better looking too.:D

sirielle
06-20-2007, 10:16 PM
Nice redlining, I usually don't see such nuances.

SpiritDreamer
06-29-2007, 12:55 PM
Hi...Samanthie..:)
I hope you don't mind me playing with your painting. I was going to use words, but it is just easier to show..sometimes..:)
When you put shadows over flesh, you can put color into them by using tints after you have them in place. In this cace I used purple spot lights in the painter program,..they act like tints, and create the same effect as a tint. I just thought that I would show you this technique...it might come in handy in your future paintings, ..you never know...:)
Great to see that you have started a new painting already...can't wait to see where you go with it...your work just keeps getting better and better, as you keep learning a little bit more from each one that you create...it's been a REAL PLEASURE SEEING YOUR PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
AS ALWAYS, TAKE CARE
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/The_Flutist_Final.bmp_2.jpg

Splinter
06-29-2007, 01:18 PM
I am just dropping in on your thread to let you know that I admire your work especially in the flutist. The folds in the clothe are very dynamic as for the rest of it I would have to say that it was very inspirational.

Can't wait to see more.

Samanthie
06-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Thanks Glenn for that info! I think the effect is very pretty. I haven't really experimented with the lighting tools in Painter but I will now.;)

Hi John, Thank you for your kind words!:) I'm glad you like the Flutist. The cloth was a real learning experience for me.

sirielle
06-29-2007, 02:47 PM
This is very useful option, just easy to make a monochromatic image.

Samanthie
06-29-2007, 03:08 PM
Hi Sirielle, I agree and it should be fun to experiment with. :) What I usually do when I work with making the atmosphere go from a day scene to night is add a new layer and usually use a dusky blue color with a radial gradient. I move the light area of the gradient as needed before I apply it. Then I multiply it and duplicate the layer it if it isn't dark enough. I use the eraser brush on low opacity on one of the gradient layers to bring back some of the lightness. I enjoy working this way.

sirielle
06-29-2007, 03:17 PM
Haven't done any night yet, but I would also experiment with deep reds and/or greens along with blue, depending on the image. Though after thinking a while - night is monochromatic
and less colorful,so going into monochromatic color is a logical thing.

theflash
06-30-2007, 01:19 AM
Debbie, I dont know how I missed to comment on this one, I thought I had :) But fluist is a lovely painting, especially I love all the details you have put. You have got really good patience. Cloth folds look nice too, while I am no expert of drapery it seems that you have used more pipe folds, may be more variety could make it more interesting? Amazing job on this piece Debbie :)

Samanthie
07-01-2007, 03:21 PM
Thank you Maulik!:) I'm glad you like the image. Yeah..I got a little carried away with the pipe folds.:D Gotta practice sketching the different cloth folds so I can add more variety if not to this image then to the next one.

theflash
07-01-2007, 09:16 PM
Best wishes with the drapery Debbie. Our professor has given us some really nice notes from some book, but I dont know which. I will try to find out. It has shown different kinds of folds and how they are created. I find it really helpful.

Samanthie
07-01-2007, 10:23 PM
That would be great Maulik, thanks alot!:bounce:

batte812
07-04-2007, 09:11 PM
Hi Debbie, nice start on the warrior, i'm curious how it turns out. I have found an interesting link if you want to work on your shading technique. You are working a lot from imagination and you can't just copy the values you see. So you need a system to reconstruct the values for your scenes. Here is the link:

http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/color11.html

It is a complicated article so you'll have to have some patience reading it. The first quarter is the most interesting. They learn you to work with a 11 value scale (0-10). You can calculate the values for a simple lighting scenario to rendere an imaginary scene in a convincing way. And once you know the basics it also helps in drawing from references. I hope this helps?

Samanthie
07-04-2007, 11:14 PM
Hey Bart, That's great of you and thanks for that link! It is a complicated article but I think it will be very helpful to me.:)

Samanthie
07-08-2007, 02:40 AM
This is just a minor update. Min, thanks for your help.:) The sketch is not finished yet and it is a little sloppy right now. I wanted to post what I have. I have adjusted his stance a bit,tilted his head, and his right arm has been repositioned. I am still working on placement of his shoulders and head piece.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior1.jpg

GIST
07-08-2007, 08:56 PM
Great stuff very solid

Samanthie
07-09-2007, 03:28 PM
Thank you Erik! :)

NR43
07-09-2007, 03:50 PM
Hey Debbie,
you seem to be good at inventing costumes and ornamentation
I think it makes half the character

Looking forward to see this character develop!
Take care
J

Samanthie
07-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Thank you Johan! :) I think one of the greatest things about creating figures and objects for fantasy is that you aren't really tied down to a particular time or place. I based what he is wearing on all the garb I've seen on other warriors..guantlets, helmets, plating, knives..etc and came up with a costume for him. He almost got a cape as well but I thought it would be a little too much for the character.

minminxu
07-10-2007, 03:55 PM
Debbie...Debbie...glad to see your update...good job....I am Looking forward you finish it ...

So ... .....keep it up!...Debbie...keep it up.....i am rooting for you.......^_^...

Samanthie
07-14-2007, 03:48 PM
Thank you Min!:) I want to work on the linework for him next and polish up those rough lines. I have to also consider some sort of background. Thanks again for the encouragement!

theflash
07-14-2007, 06:48 PM
Hey Debbie, I love the way you dress up your characters and add accesories. You are really creative. Did you use any reference or did any research? I like this character a lot. My only suggestion would be to make the action more dynamic and active probably. I feel that because I feel that this character is a part of some story and it's good to put it in some action in the drawing. Would love to see this finished! :) Looking forward...

razz
07-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Hi Debbie. So, this is going to be one more amazingly detailed piece? Afraid to even think about that. Quite a fantasy piece again, eh? That's great. Ok, because I see a warrior here, be sure to look at the work of Frazetta to get some inspiration for this one. You can find a lot of his stuff HERE (http://frankfrazetta.org/). I'm sure you've seen his work already.
What more you have planned for it? Background, any others characters, m? mm??

SpiritDreamer
07-15-2007, 03:01 AM
Hi..Samanthie ...:)

Just stopping by to see what you've been up to with your latest figure.
Looks great so far..:thumbsup:
Every time I see him, I think of a female crouched down beside him, on the right side of the canvas, holding on to his thigh. Having him already in that protective posture just brings that to mind. I see her in a protected posture..Would have to expand the canvas on the right side to capture a two figure composition.
If you take this route, it will leave it up to the viewer as to what menace he is protecting her from, which might be interesting in itself. Maybe just a shadow of that menace leading into the two figures, from the forground to them..would create depth in the composition, and also create a meaning and story for the two charaters that are in harms way..Just throwing a thought your way,..might be useful to you,and might spark something in your imagination... don't know, but thought it worth mentioning...Check out some of BORIS VALLEJO'S two figure compositions.. his works will help you develope your own ideas and composition further.
Hope I have been of some help, and can't wait to see where you take this piece...should be great,,,...just take your time, and dream on it a little...:)
http://vallejo.ural.net/
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
07-15-2007, 04:00 AM
Hi Maulik and thank you! I like to doodle.:D The character himself is from my imagination. His outfit is mostly made up of things that fantasy warrior types wear..gauntlets, plating, helmet etc. I just designed the outfit based on all of that. One reference I used for warrior types is a new book I have called Drawing and Painting Fantasy Worlds by Finlay Cowan. It has some nice suggestions on armour, jewelry and faces to name a few. I will try to make my character more dynamic as you suggest. He was going to be my entry for the ninja workshop but I didn't get going on him soon enough.

Hey Razz, Thanks for stopping by. :) Yeah...I could definately get detailed with this one..all of those buckles and that helmet.lol Well I haven't actually thought of additional characters or even a bg. I usually begin with the main character and then decide on bg/details..not how I used to work but it is right now for some reason. :shrug: I love the link, thanks! I wasn't familiar with Frazetta's work..but it is lovely.

Samanthie
07-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Thank you Glenn!:) Very good suggestions. Thanks for the link! There is alot there and I'm sure it will inspire me. I've noticed alot of warrior images have some sort of animal(s) in them as well like bears and fantasy creatures. I'm starting to get some ideas now. :D I'll see what I can do to help this image tell a story. Thanks for all of the input!

Samanthie
09-01-2007, 01:16 AM
Well it's been a long while since I posted an update. I worked on my warrior this afternoon. This is probably about 2 1/2 hours work. Sort of a new style for me. Just playing around with coloring. I have alot more to do but here is what I have so far. :) I'll post some closeups when I have refined him a bit more.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warriorc.jpg

batte812
09-02-2007, 10:47 PM
Hi Debbie, finally an update from you! Great to see your new style of coloring. I think it's a bit too saturated in the yellow and red parts though. One more crit would be his right knee: it seems to be too low. Keep working - i'm curious how this one will turn out!

Samanthie
09-02-2007, 11:15 PM
Hi Bart, thank you! I just haven't been in much of a creative mood lately. I'm trying to get back into it. The coloring is a new adventure for me and I probably could have used a tutorial.lol I'll try and desaturate the colors you mentioned. I see what you mean about the knee too, glad you noticed, I'll fix it.:)

Samanthie
09-05-2007, 10:50 PM
Here is another update..I desaturated the colors a little and tried to raise the knee. I also fiddled with the shading. Thanks Bart.:) Probably need to raise the boot cuff where I adjusted the knee. I have a couple of other projects I am working on and I bought a new anatomy book, so I will posting some anatomy sketches. The name of the book is Anatomy Drawing School by Andras Szunyoghy and Gyorgy Feher. Animal and human anatomy is included in the book so I'm looking forward to working with it.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior_d.jpg

sirielle
09-05-2007, 11:31 PM
Are you going for a comic shading this time? I liked the saturated yellow outfit, but I agree it will be easier to shade the less saturated colors. But I have noticed one thing - you wrote 'he'. Till now I was sure this is going to be Native American Indian girl, someone like that. Maybe it's the pose, face, maybe the chest but I feel like it was a girl while I see it is a boy. I'm not sure if you need to do anything about it, but I thought I'll let you know.

Samanthie
09-05-2007, 11:50 PM
LOL..well I was going for a male warrior.:) He is wearing chest armour which maybe I need to make it look more like armour rather than a shirt? He does look like he is wearing some eye liner but that wasn't intentional just trying to make his expression more dramatic. The hair is supposed to be a hair piece attached to his helmet. Some of these things I realize are a bit obscure so I'll try to define them better. Thanks Sirielle.

Samanthie
09-06-2007, 01:05 AM
Just a small update to bring back some of the color.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior2.jpg

SpiritDreamer
09-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Hi Samanthie ..:)

REALLY like the colors on your last version...kind of remind me of Diego Rivera ...he cold be an AZTEC warrior...maybe even try a brighter, deeper,richer yellow,...and deeper shades of reds, and maybe a splash of green here and there like on his belt maybe, and helmet...a little dark green might look great in and with those black areas...just a passing thought..:)
I think that on the foot that is closest to the viewer, it needs a little bit of the heel to be visable, and maybe an indacatuon of the big toe, like steps on a staircace kind of thing, and make it so the big toe is out in front, and the angle to the little toe is there in the drawing, right now, it looks as though the little toe is longer than the big toe, with the perspective angle that you have on the front of that foot...also get an indication of the big toe on the other distant foot,..that is where all of his wieght and stress is centered in that pose..he is ready to spring forward from that distant big toe.
Make use of cast shadows on the ground in this one, from the advancing foot, to the distant foot...will really add depth,...also place the distant leg in shadow that is deeper than the advancing leg,...and punch the advancing leg out with a stronger highlight, making it come forward...keep in mind your light sorce...make it DYNAMIC, to go with the DYNAMIC pose and character of the character...A WARRIOR..:)
Hope this helps you some...Great to see you exploring ...COLOR ..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Samanthie
09-06-2007, 02:55 PM
Hey Glenn, lots of helpful and detailed advice, Thank you!! :) I'll experiment with all of your suggestions and see what I come up with. Hope to post an update soon.

Samanthie
09-06-2007, 05:01 PM
Another update..Glenn as you suggested I worked on his feet, added some green (and blue hues), added shadow to the leg furthest away. Also added his cast shadow and it is not spot on as I am not great with cast shadows. I think your suggestions helped and I am still working with them. Thank you!:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior3.jpg

Samanthie
09-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Just some experimenting...having more fun with color and texture. I suppose I cheated on his shadow in this latest version. I simply selected his body and added a new layer and filled it with a blue/gray color and resized and placed it as shown. It probably isn't correct but it does look better than the simple shadow I had before.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior4.jpg

NR43
09-13-2007, 06:24 AM
Hey Debbie

Thank you so much for your kind words.
It's really appreciated!

I think I liked your last character better with slightly less saturated colors.
The shadow edges should be blurred more where it is further away from the character itself.

Great work though.
Always looking forward to your next post.

take care,
Johan

minminxu
09-13-2007, 02:40 PM
hey....Debbie....wow....so glad see you to update..http://www.oicq88.com/qq2005/smilies/qq/face15.gif http://www.oicq88.com/qq2005/smilies/qq/face15.gif..

Debbie..good job....I love the Shadow,The character on the paper seems to have a third dimension.....just i think the colour looks flat and has a photographic exposure feeling.....um um ...I think the colours need more details.....what do you think so?..(That is only my personal opinions.)....anyway....Debbie...keep it up.........:bounce: :bounce:

Samanthie
09-13-2007, 04:04 PM
Johan, Thank you very much! :) I see what you mean. I will try to desaturate a little more and I'll blur the shadow edges and probably the edge of the ground in the bg. Great of you to notice that. Take care!

Hey Min, thanks alot! Yes I agree, I'll work some more with the color and see if I can improve it. I'm very glad you stopped by!:)

abbeytermeer
09-14-2007, 01:25 AM
i like your last guy, its neat to see the different versions. i like his outfit, it looked like it was fun to create :D

i think he needs more bottom to his right palm though, the thumb seems a bit low and covers it up. it would give it more definition and structure :)!

SpiritDreamer
09-14-2007, 08:17 PM
SEPT 14, 2007

Hi Samanthie ...Couldn't resist that warrior of yours...:scream:
Just a couple of tints put over your painting to unify the colors in the background with the figure. Then off to play in the layers and all of the different settings in there, with your version, and the tinted version that I made ...Just supperimposed my version on top of yours, and went through all of the settings in layers ..color, gel, hard light, ect.....lots of fun and visually exciting versions created....This one turned out the best I think ....:) Hope you don't mind me posting it here...it shows basically what I was talking about earlier in your thread, about letting the colors express the feeling of a warrior..MAKING YOUR COLORS DYNAMIC, WILL HELP MAKE YOUR WARRIOR DYNAMIC ALSO...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Samanthie_warrior_5.jpg

Samanthie
09-14-2007, 09:10 PM
Hey Glenn, You have been having fun with my warrior.:D I love the purple hues you put in there especially on his shadow and on his side as well. The boot looks pretty cool too. Not sure I can make my version as dynamic but I'll play some more as well and post an update soon.:)

Rangerman
09-15-2007, 12:00 AM
You have an impressive thread so far Samanthie. I particularly liked your flutist. Your native american character has a nice comic book feel to it. I like how he looks like he's comtemplating whether or not to hop out of the screen and take a stab at the viewer. Hope the painting comes along the way you want it to.

Samanthie
09-15-2007, 01:00 AM
Hi Tim, Thanks for stopping by my thread and for your lovely comments.:) I'm glad you liked the Flutist and I also appreciate your comments on the warrior.

Samanthie
09-15-2007, 02:11 AM
...been playing some more with my warrior. I have a more dynamic version and a desaturated version. The bg has been blurred a little as well as his shadow in the desat version. I've added more color and tried to define him a bit more in both. Thanks for all of your input and comments so far.:)


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior6.jpg


http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warrior5.jpg

sirielle
09-15-2007, 02:35 AM
I prefer the more saturated version, for the less saturated one I would like less contrast on the white spots (especially on his leg). On the other hand I prefer his hair on the less saturated image. Ahh, variants, I never know which I like better when I do them. It works the same for others :)

Samanthie
09-15-2007, 02:41 AM
Hi Sirielle and thank you!:) Yeah those white spots are really bright in both versions. I'll tone them down some.

Intervain
09-15-2007, 03:22 PM
I agree about the more saturated version :) Nice job Samanthie!

Samanthie
09-15-2007, 06:00 PM
Thank you Magdalena!:)

Samanthie
09-15-2007, 06:09 PM
Here is a little something I've been playing with over the last several weeks. Another large eyed elfish character. I do have something in mind for the whole image but just have been working mostly on the face. I call her Windchime. I'll be adding a windchime at some point. She uses her magic to give the windchimes their sound..making this up as I go.lol Here are the wips.

first pencil sketch...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime.jpg

more pencil work...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime1.jpg

color pencil for my first overlay of color...

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime2.jpg

my usual spotlight gradient with color layer and pencil layer combined. Also a painted layer on top of all of just the skin. Then blended with the rest.

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime4.jpg

trying to get more subtle details to her face and how I want the hair to be. This is what I have so far. TFL!:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime5.jpg

Rangerman
09-15-2007, 11:51 PM
I like your dynamic version of your warrior the most, but I think that the sky should look like it's dusk or dawn so that there's a subtle variety of colors that excentuates the character.

You've also drawn really nice eyes for your other character.

Samanthie
09-16-2007, 12:35 AM
Thank you Tim! I think that is a good idea for the sky. Now I have to decide..dawn or dusk.:)

Samanthie
09-16-2007, 03:56 AM
Tim..I tried to add dawn coloring..it's subtle but there is a difference. :)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warriorj.jpg

SpiritDreamer
09-16-2007, 05:14 AM
Hi ..Samanthie ..:)

The colors in your warrior are starting to harmonize and getting that nice glow that happens when you play with complimentery colors..keep pushing and refining them..:thumbsup:
I think that the arm that is extended down needs some more work in the intersection/interlacing between the forarm, and upper arm,..define the upper arm muscles.. and the outside curves on both sides on that arm, from the shoulder down, need to be as good as the nice flowing curves that are on the arm holding the knife...make that forarm the same width across as the forarm that is on the knife side,..right now it looks smaller...:)
I really like that windchime fairy so far,...should be another great one,...:thumbsup: Just take your time with it, like you did the last one ...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

batte812
09-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Hi Debbie, that warrior is coming along fine now. I stil think you use too saturated colors in the shadow areas though. Great start on that Windchime character. She looks a bit pale as for now?

Samanthie
09-16-2007, 04:40 PM
Hi Glenn, very good points. :) Thanks I will work on that arm and define it more. I can see a few other areas that need to be defined as well.


Hey Bart, thanks! :) I'll work on the shadow on the warrior and I agree the elf is a little pale. I hope to get another update posted soon.

Rangerman
09-16-2007, 05:22 PM
Samanthie I like the blue and purple hues in the sky of your warrior, but I think the white that exists in the sky is washing out the head of your warrior a little bit. And I'd also sharpen the horizon of the ground and sky just a little bit. Your doing good, keep it up.

Samanthie
09-16-2007, 07:30 PM
Here is another update. Glenn I have worked on the arm as you mentioned as well as the glove and shoulder. Bart.. there is a little less saturation on the shadow now. Tim the bg has been sharpened up a bit and I added some color to the area near his face to give a bit more contrast. Also I have defined a few edges and fixed a few sloppy line areas. Thanks for all of your comments!:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_fantasy_warriork.jpg

minminxu
09-18-2007, 06:35 PM
hey......Debbie....I really love your new work....http://www.oicq88.com/qq2005/smilies/qq/face15.gif http://www.oicq88.com/qq2005/smilies/qq/face15.gif...Can you painter more colours?......good job.....Debbie.....keep it up.......:bounce: :bounce:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Samanthie_/dlo_windchime5.jpg

Samanthie
09-18-2007, 07:00 PM
Hi Min! I am very happy you like this one.:) I will try to do some more with it today and post an update soon. Thanks always for you support Min!:bounce:

Samanthie
09-20-2007, 01:02 AM
An update on Windchime. Going for a different color palette. The hard part for me is coming up with a pose for her. Sooooo I'm still working on that. Here is what I have so far. Thanks for looking.:)

http://www.dreamessence.net/Galleries/cg_sketchbook/dlo_windchime6.jpg

minminxu
09-20-2007, 06:57 AM
wow....Debbie......so glad to see your update.....yeah....I love her eyes....and I can't wait to see more.....keep it up...my friend.....:bounce: :bounce:

PS:even so....but Debbie...you Don't be too tired .....You should rest your eyes after a lot of painting....http://www.oicq88.com/qq2005/smilies/qq/face64.gif